The Communists support the Congress. Joint statement will help India win intl support: CPI
New Delhi, Jul 17 (PTI) The government today got support from an unexpected quarter on the Indo-Pak issue with CPI saying the joint statement will help India win international support. ……………...........
PTI
N^3 sir,Looks like India has shifted from Speak Loudly Of Befitting Replies and Turn the Other Cheek (SLOBRTOC) to
Be Agreeable and Kick Them (BAKT). This GOI seems to be operating on the notion that 4 years is plenty of time to make the Pakis pay.
Our motto seems to be:The compromise by India during PM Manmohan Singh's meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Yusuf Raza Gilani has brought back memories of similar concessions by India during the meeting between Pervez Musharraf and Singh in September 2006 in Havana during the NAM summit, in the aftermath of the Mumbai suburban train blasts.
India had stalled the dialogue process after the Mumbai train blasts in July but, in a turnaround similar to that in Sharm el-Sheikh, agreed to resume foreign secretary-level talks when Musharraf met Singh in Havana.
The two sides had then agreed that the peace process must be maintained and its success was important for both countries and the future of the entire region. In this context, they directed their foreign secretaries to resume the composite dialogue at the earliest.
The two sides had then agreed to set up an India-Pakistan anti-terrorism cooperation mechanism. Weeks later, however, differences cropped up between the two countries as Pakistan sought to make a distinction between terrorists and freedom fighters.
........
As it later became evident, the mechanism was nothing but another forum for India to spell out its grievances and frustration and for Pakistan to dole out lame excuses for not doing enough to tackle India-specific terror. The leaders had then decided to continue the joint search for mutually acceptable options for a peaceful negotiated settlement of all issues between India and Pakistan, including the issue of Jammu and Kashmir. Musharraf then went on to claim that Hava had "sown the seeds'' of solution of all disputes between India and Pakistan including Kashmir.
Nothing surprising. They simply follow the diktats from their superiors.
So, India will have meaningless dialogue till then ? Our Foreign Secretary will meet Pak FS "s often as necessary" according to the joint statement. SS Menon will hold 'meaningless talks' in these meetings ? The PM then goes on to immediately contradict himself by saying composite dialogue cannot await actions by Pakistan on terror. Is the inevitable senility overtaking our PM ?. . . "any meaningful dialogue" will depend on actions by Islamabad to end cross-border terror and hoped there would be "forward movement" in the coming months. . . ."action on terrorism should not be linked to the composite dialogue process and therefore cannot await other developments."
Statement by the Prime Minister in Parliament on his visit to Italy, France and Egypt
17:12 IST
Following is the text of the Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh’s statement in Parliament on his visit to Italy and to France and Egypt: ……………...............
During my meeting with Prime Minister Gilani of Pakistan yesterday, we discussed the present condition of India-Pakistan relations, its future potential and the steps that are necessary to enable us to realize the potential.
I conveyed to him the strong sentiments of the people of India over the issue of terrorism, especially the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. We are reviewing the dossier of investigations into these attacks which Pakistan has provided to us. I also conveyed to Prime Minister Gilani that sustained, effective and credible action needs to be taken not only to bring the perpetrators of the Mumbai attack to justice, but also to shut down the operations of terrorist groups so as to prevent any future attacks.
It has been and remains our consistent position that the starting point of any meaningful dialogue with Pakistan is a fulfillment of their commitment, in letter and spirit, not to allow their territory to be used in any manner for terrorist activities against India .
Prime Minister Gilani assured me that Pakistan will do everything in its power to bring the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks to justice. He also told me that there is consensus in Pakistan against the activities of these terrorist groups, that strong action is being taken and that this is in Pakistan’s own interest. The distinguished parliamentarians from different parties who accompanied the Pakistan Prime Minister also said to me that there was political consensus in Pakistan on this issue.
As the Joint Statement says, action on terrorism should not be linked to the composite dialogue process, and therefore cannot await other developments. It was agreed that the two countries will share real time, credible and actionable information on any future terrorist threats.
Whether, when and in what form we broaden the dialogue with Pakistan will depend on future developments. For the present, we have agreed that the Foreign Secretaries will meet as often as necessary and report to the two Foreign Ministers who will meet on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.
As I have said before in this House, India seeks cooperative relations with Pakistan , and engagement is the only way forward to realize the vision of a stable and prosperous South Asia living in peace and amity. We are willing to go more than half way provided Pakistan creates the conditions for a meaningful dialogue. I hope that there is forward movement in the coming months. .................
PIB
Raja,I for one will not stop criticising this PM on this forum when he does something that is to be rightly criticised.
Raja Ram,Raja Ram wrote: I for one will not stop criticising this PM on this forum when he does something that is to be rightly criticised.
This PM has let down India badly. There is nothing that we gain by starting talks with Pakistan. The leadership of this government has too many enslaved minds. One cannot think freely if the mind is shackled.
Why, we want a peaceful world. There was a talk at the time of Independence of why a pacifist beacon such as Bharat must have armed forces.shravan wrote:Don't you want a peaceful Afghanistan....
The wide variance between what our PM says in parliament and what is GoI signs when with external countries is now becoming a habit. First seen with the Nuclear deal, this pattern is now fairly predictable.arun wrote:I am perplexed as to how nearly all of the robust demands claimed by our Prime Minister as having been made of the Pakistani’s in the below statement to our Parliament is missing from the joint declaration.
I want to see a second front for Pakistan. I don't know what are your views on that.SSridhar wrote:Why, we want a peaceful world. There was a talk at the time of Independence of why a pacifist beacon such as Bharat must have armed forces.
Philip wrote:The spinelessness,subervience and senility of Dr.Singh has never been in better evidence then in this,his performance at Cairo,the most pathetic and sordid display in statesmanship ever from an Indian PM.An outraged nation which has been repeatedly raped by Pakistan through decades of undiminished terror,is now faced with the ultimate display of dereliction of duty by the surrender of Dr.Singh to Pakistani terrorism.Faced with another 5 years of this surrender,India's enemies must be gloating in their lairs and planning the destruction of our nation.God help India!
chetak wrote:But fear not saar, rahul baba will soon come to the rescue!
His superman cape is yet to return from the laundry.
He apologises for the delay.
In the meanwhile, enjoy the ride.
Now I am really Groping in the dark!SSridhar wrote:I think the Chakyanness was with respect to Pakistan. Mr. Singh was very tough on Zardari in Russia whereas, within two weeks, he surrendered to Gilani in Egypt. Now, this is going to cause a popularity upsurge for Gilani and the Zardari-Gilani relationship, already teetering, will break. That will also remove the PM-Kiyani proximity, based on which Gilani has been teasing Zardari. Zardari, by virtue of him being the Chief of PPP, will get a more compliant PM. Knowing Zardari's frequent references for having better relationship with India, and with the PM-Army relationship also broken, the Indo-Pak relationship will see better times. That is our Chankian calculation.
So now MMS thinks he is more beautiful than Kiyani. Or does he think that he can be better friends because his ancestral village is closer to Gilani's as Kiyani's village to Gilani. There is proof!
Raja Ram jiRaja Ram wrote:Mark my words gentle readers, now there will be a concerted effort by the media to paint and hail MMS as a statesman who has a vision of peaceful growth oriented South Asia. The usual suspects of "intellectuals" and "liberals" and peaceniks will come out in force. Congress will claim that this is the Gandhian legacy and continuation of Nehruvian policy.
The visiting dignitary, Hilary Clinton, will commend and praise India to the hilt and this will be seen as a great visionary move. The educated telegenic new age leaders of the congress will come out in the media and say what we can achieve if move past the hostilities, how India's tryst with destiny is at hand. How inclusive growth must include neighbours. All this will be seen as India's arrival on the world stage. Backed up with fawning and condescending opinion pieces in "influential" foreign publications and media.
And yes, even in BR forum this will be hailed and some virtue seen in this PM. He is after all the PM of our country and we should not attack him would be the argument, even if the critque is directed at his actions and not him personally.
I for one will not stop criticising this PM on this forum when he does something that is to be rightly criticised.
This PM has let down India badly. There is nothing that we gain by starting talks with Pakistan. The leadership of this government has too many enslaved minds. One cannot think freely if the mind is shackled.
RajeshA wrote:The only way to save this nation is to join the Rahul baba club for the next 4 and a half years, and plead with him to become PM and save the nation! From MMS!
After 4 and a half years one can then jump to BJP, if one wants!
It is time we thank Dr. Manmohan Singh for his services to the nation and bid him a happy retirement! He deserves some rest!
I hope the plane is safe..gogna wrote:PAF F-16 fighter jet crashes; pilot killed
Saar, you should respect copyright lawsRaja Ram wrote:Mark my words gentle readers, now there will be a concerted effort by the media to paint and hail MMS as a statesman who has a vision of peaceful growth oriented South Asia. The usual suspects of "intellectuals" and "liberals" and peaceniks will come out in force. Congress will claim that this is the Gandhian legacy and continuation of Nehruvian policy.
The visiting dignitary, Hilary Clinton, will commend and praise India to the hilt and this will be seen as a great visionary move. The educated telegenic new age leaders of the congress will come out in the media and say what we can achieve if move past the hostilities, how India's tryst with destiny is at hand. How inclusive growth must include neighbours. All this will be seen as India's arrival on the world stage. Backed up with fawning and condescending opinion pieces in "influential" foreign publications and media.
And yes, even in BR forum this will be hailed and some virtue seen in this PM. He is after all the PM of our country and we should not attack him would be the argument, even if the critque is directed at his actions and not him personally.
I for one will not stop criticising this PM on this forum when he does something that is to be rightly criticised.
This PM has let down India badly. There is nothing that we gain by starting talks with Pakistan. The leadership of this government has too many enslaved minds. One cannot think freely if the mind is shackled.
. You take the themes that one CRamS has been shouting from the roof tops ever since not-worth-a-singh and his Sonia madam took office, remote controlled from US/UK, and not acknowledge the source . Just kidding boss, this is exactly the scenario that is going to be played out. Look for Hilary showering praises and DDM going bersek with euphoria. Several of my 'elite' friends with whom I had a chance to discuss MMS's shameful capitulation are already dimsissing me as a "Hindu extremist". Some are hailing Singh as king for having his 'eye on the ball' whatever that means. I cannot think of another country or civilization that is comprised of such deluded eunuchs who can internalize such a caricature of reality. Next capitulation: Kashmir.And, Morarji Desai.chetak wrote:By the way, Nixon was also a previous recipient of this singular honor!!! along with our own dear dilip kumar
), 
The final stand of a bunch of idiots, the very same folk who in some sense brought us here; first tested a few fire crackers in a show of machismo, and when TSP upped the ante backed off, not to mention paying obeissance to 'my friend Strobe'; same jokers who 'won' Kargil by not crossing the yellow-sea even after a brzen attack; same set of jokers who invited a mass murder like Mush to Agra and humiliated the nation; same set of jokers who huffed & puffed after TSP attacked Indian parliament and then backed off, and last but not the least same set of jokers allowing a bunch of sex-starved louts in their midst to attack women in pubs and making an ass of themselves costing them the election.
Vs PakistanNehru assumed that as former victims of imperialism (India being a colony itself) they shared a sense of solidarity, as expressed in the phrase "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai" (Indians and Chinese are brothers). He was dedicated to the ideals of brotherhood and solidarity among developing nations. Nehru, naively, did not believe that one fellow Socialist country would attack another; and in any event, he felt secure behind the impregnable wall of ice that is the Himalayas. Both proved to be severe miscalculations of China's intentions and military capabilities. Following reports of his intention to confront Chinese occupation of the disputed areas—summarised in a memorable statement that he had asked the Army to "throw them (Chinese) out" - China launched a pre-emptive attack.[18]
3. I K Gujaral . Wiki quote:Morarji Desai had described the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW), India's external intelligence agency, as the praetorian guard of Indira Gandhi and had promised to stop all activities of the R&AW after becoming prime minister. He closed down much of the agency, and reduced its budget and operations. B. Raman, the former head of the Counter-Terrorism Division of R&AW and noted security analyst, reveals that, in an unguarded moment, Morarji Desai indiscreetly told Pakistani President Zia ul-Haq that he was aware of Islamabad's nuclear schemes.[1]
4. Man mohan singh. (First Havana, now Sharam-e-sharif, very nearly in the Nuclear deal)It has come out in India Today, an Indian news magazine, that I K Gujral, during his tenure as PM, as part of his doctrine, wound up the Research and Analysis Wing's (R&AW) - India's external intelligence agency - covert operations in Pakistan. Acting in the belief of earning the 'goodwill' of Pakistan, he shut down R&AW's covert activities, and gave details of R&AW's assets in Pakistan, which were painstakingly built over many years. It has been alleged that this led to physical elimination of R&AW's human assets through extrajudicial means by Pakistan's intelligence agencies. This has been severely criticized in the light of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks and signifies the final futility of his doctrine - belief in the 'inherent goodwill' of openly hostile neighbours. This is his defining legacy.
Mummy-ji is admonishing MMS