Indian IT Industry

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 26 Jun 2009 09:19

^^^

Inshallah we will endeavor to link iPhone development to India also so that we can keep discussing it here

vina · Post by **vina** » 26 Jun 2009 16:20

^^^ Inshallah we will endeavor to link iPhone development to India also so that we can keep discussing it here

See, the YumBeeYea and "presentation skills" "people skills" and "client facing skills" do have their uses after all!

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 26 Jun 2009 16:47

vina wrote:See, the YumBeeYea and "presentation skills" "people skills" and "client facing skills" do have their uses after all!

touché!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Jun 2009 02:42

Added: Dont all those Yum Bea Aye skills so successfully used (till Wall Street became PNS Ghazi), fall under 'conning adminullah' tactics

Where is the bowing icon when I need it

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Jun 2009 06:17

SSN Vina off the port bow saar!

launch RBU, launch noisemakers and head for the lifeboats

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 28 Jun 2009 06:54

Here's an area where India's software entrepreneurs should venture into:

Multiplayer Online Game Networks Seen as Goldmine

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Jun 2009 00:58

Meeting GHQ's cousin today, she is strategee YumBeeAye-Al Harvadi type like our vina saar, that too in GOOG Android. Ya'Allah spare me and allow me to crawl back into my kave kamplex with my pet kushpoo

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jun 2009 06:23

ask he open ended questions like her vision of how the industry will evolve etc. MBAs love the vision-thing and have 10 ppts already prepared on that. you might get useful new nuggets of how strong their competitors are perceived as.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Jun 2009 10:49

hehe....she is a nice lady with a very cute kid. Me being me, I spent most of the time monkeying with the kid and ignored the adults. But yeah still got some pointers re. where Android is going, some market info and spread some psy-ops of my own

Seems to be in line with what I had thought and backed up by other intel.

vina · Post by **vina** » 29 Jun 2009 13:40

she is strategee YumBeeAye-Al Harvadi

Hmm. So should the Calcutta Municipal Corp bill board /hoarding (was it really true such a thing was put up, or is it just another urban legend /joke ?) be changed from

We have Mukherjee, Chatterjee and Banerjee , but no Energy

to

We have Mukherjee, Chatterjee, Banerjee and Stratejee , but no Energjee

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 29 Jun 2009 22:24

Tanaji wrote:3G is pointless unless the telco is offering a cheap data plan. Anyone know what the rate is and how it compares?

In theory, there is nothing to stop me from running a SIP client on my mobile and sc*ew the telco of paying long distance charges.

Incidentally, India has one of the most restrictive VoIP regulations in the world.

My Nokia E71 has SIP client installed. It connects to my home wi-fi end of the Airtel ADSL line, and I can make calls.

It works this way, and also if I select EDGE/GPRS data connection. Why would a 3G data connection any different (doesn't makes sense)?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Jun 2009 22:52

vina wrote:
We have Mukherjee, Chatterjee, Banerjee and Stratejee , but no Energjee

Unfortunately, she is from Em Eye Tee and Al-Harvadee working on Strategee with lots of Energee but she is neither Mukherjee, Chatterjee, Banerjee or Bhattacharjee!

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 29 Jun 2009 23:29

He probably meant "unemployable at the pay scale he wants "

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 30 Jun 2009 20:41

ICAI to frame new norms for software, BPO industry
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... y/66119/on

Accounting regulator Institute of Chartered Accountants of India (ICAI) is planning to come out with accounting norms for the software and the BPO industry.

vina · Post by **vina** » 08 Jul 2009 11:02

All right guys. It is open war now. Google has just unveiled a PC operating system, called Chrome OS, targeted at NetBooks , and general availability at 2nd half of next year. Says "speed, simplicity and security" are the key aspects (ouch.. very ouch if you are MickeySoft). Expect seamless connectivity with android and ability to run apps on both platforms very well indeed.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 08 Jul 2009 11:38

Yes, it's indeed interesting. Microsoft will have to use *its* PALM in this war. It will be a perfect marriage at this time and complement each other just about perfect.

Added later: Let me elaborate

a) Strengthen mobile business: Smartphone software technology has very similar (and yet distinct) business model that of traditional software business model. And the line between those two is increasingly getting blurred. Microsoft has correct strategy of coming up with mobile OS but unfortunately it's mobile OS did not click as well it's PC OS clicked. If you see Apple's business model, it is remnant or is exact the same as that of Microsoft. except that the apps are also delivered by Apple and will get part of that revenue stream.

Buying PALM along with its OS will get that footing back.

b) Access to new market - Smart phone market is booming and even in this market, people are showing tendency to buy. Well..let me at least give myself a Smartphone is the attitude.

c)consolidate current business: respond to Google on the Smartphone / OS's at various planes along with responding to Apple on the Mac front.

d) With strong tie up with Netflix , it can also potentially acrue new revenue streams with medial delivery; Will also have great synergy with gaming business (both consoles and software)

PALM needs finance muscle and legal muscle that MS has abundantly. Let's wait if they jump on this or let it play like Yahoo.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Jul 2009 12:59

I would have expected Android to be moved to Netbooks without getting a second OS platform on the table. Wonder what is the Chankian logic behind this? M$ is still waaay behind with Midori but they are far from dead as the articles seem to gleefully claim. The Google glamour will let Chrome OS hog the news for a while but will have to wait and see if it really becomes a threat to Windows.

Google claims the OS will be minimalistic - have to wait and watch if their vision is what the people also want. In OS the best is not always the most popular as M$ so amply demonstrates. People have been potty trained on Windows for nearly 3 decades now....switching can be hard esp. if L&F are different and apps dont work the way they used to before. Better to have the switch be gradual rather than Google-radical.

bart · Post by **bart** » 08 Jul 2009 13:48

vina wrote:All right guys. It is open war now. Google has just unveiled a PC operating system, called Chrome OS, targeted at NetBooks , and general availability at 2nd half of next year. Says "speed, simplicity and security" are the key aspects (ouch.. very ouch if you are MickeySoft). Expect seamless connectivity with android and ability to run apps on both platforms very well indeed.

I don't see what is special about that OS since it is just linux kernel with a different windowing system and running a browser, and probably locked down enough that it will be suitable only for basic tasks. Any number of companies can easily do that, so not sure how it will be a killer app, perhaps the advantage it has is that it gives the Google cloud apps a dedicated and optimized client system. While that is in keeping with Google's vision of everything running off their servers, most users will prefer something that is more customizable and allows them to do more.

For example Android phones are technically open source and any handset maker should be able to customize it and ideally you should be able to treat it like a PC, i.e a hardware device, on which you can load whatever version of Android you like, unlike say a Nokia phone with its fixed firmware releases.

In practice Google has something called a Google Experience Android phone, which is the version sold in US. Its great for people who use google mail/calendar/maps/orkut for everything, but not so great for others. For example HTC (who makes the above phones sold in US) has a new UI called sense, however US customers wont get that update since they are locked into the 'Google Experience'

Also, google does a lot of things a lot better than others, but they are also incredibly arrogant. It might be ok for free users of gmail etc, but their response to paying customers is pathetic. They are trying to get enterprises switch their e-mail etc to their cloud based servers, but despite almost every corporate user complaining about the conversation based ordering of e-emails which is a pain to use, they flatly refuse to change it or give people other options. Its like they have decided on that as the best way to do it and the customers should just bow to the 'coolness' of google and worship at their alter.

vina · Post by **vina** » 08 Jul 2009 14:08

Ok. Ok. Before Suraj moshay comes and asks us what is so "Indian" about Goog and why should it be in this thread.

Check out what this Chankian Yindoo YumbeeYea is saying Official Google Blog- Introducing the Chrome OS .

So , if Chankian Yindoo YumBeeYeas from the old Madrassa are driving "stratejee" , it is kosher onree no , masterjee ?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Jul 2009 19:57

^^^ But surely Suraj will prefer that it is a Bannerjee, Chatterjee or Sunderji driving stratagee not a Pichai

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Jul 2009 20:04

pandyan wrote:now that i am thinking thru my earlier post...government regulations might be the reason why google cleverly merged android os and chrome browser into one and simply calling it a OS.

Yes but it can be very easily argued as to the line of separation between the 'minimalist' OS and the Chrome browser, which is probably what M$ will

about in front of authorities. For all the hoo-haa about web-based thingamajigs, under the hood you still have a traditional OS running your engine, however minimalist it might be...Chrome browser aint running on the metal. For all the flexibility and 'talking' to the hardware you need to have layers of software blubber - all produced by ITvity abduls in Bengalooru and Gurgaonwa.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 09 Jul 2009 07:57

pandyan wrote:Now Microsoft will and ask EU to remove chrome browser from OS and provide IE option. this will be

In this case, it will means jobs for India. IIRC the charter for the MS-India operation includes fulfilling such interoperability needs.

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 10 Jul 2009 19:51

Indian IT to benefit from a 40000 crore government spend

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jul 2009 11:26

a soldier comes back to rome after years and years of campaigns in the provinces...wounded...seeking peace and culture after the blood and death.

and sees a rich city hollowed out by termites, with troupes of monkeys running from pillar to post freely. everytime a senator passes wind, the monkeys nod their heads wisely at the words of wisdom imparted.

'rules' used to control and intimidate the weak and penniless. and a different set of rules/no rules for those in The Circle of Shadows.

this is not a vital and robust civilization. Rome is strong on paper, but its walls and cohesion are weak....the idea of Rome is dead, a physical city does not make a eternal idea.

most of the great generals have been silenced one way or another - some are paid off to say nothing, some were disposed off in purges or chased away to abyssinia and palestine.

all that is left are the poor who live in squalid tenements riven with disease and rats and the elites - 'nobles' of uncertain fatherhood, apparitchiks who are lifelong camp followers and bag carriers and the Warlords who ride fine white horses and occupy the best estates of fruit bearing olive trees and grape vines and visit fear and atrocity on whims.

and always always the relentless propaganda and internal mobthink. drugs, mere drugs I say to keep the mob engaged and drugged to the ground reality.

dark clouds gather over the Tiber. a wolf with flaming red fur is said to be running through the streets at night, howling at the crescent moon.

out of sight beyond the land of the Bulgars and Magyars, The Khan has called a meeting of all tribal elders from the steppe in his big tent. for three days they discuss and settle internal differences and decide on a cavalry campaign of untold proportion. Horses and horsemen are called for from all tribes of the khanate...and arrows...lots of arrows...

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Jul 2009 12:00

^^^
Okay WTF ?? Thats great writing .... things that bad eh??....not to worry... You can be a great writer.

bart · Post by **bart** » 11 Jul 2009 19:03

wolf with flaming red fur

Oracle?

Google?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jul 2009 21:00

nobody in particular just omens...like the ides of march thing wrt julius ceasar.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Jul 2009 00:26

Some real Indian IT news, for a change

PC sales post 7% -ve growth for first time: MAIT

The total PC sale during the last fiscal (2008-09) was 67.9 lakh units, which indicates a decline of 7 per cent over the previous year (2007-08), Manufacturers' Association for Information Technology (MAIT) today said.

But with the business sentiment gradually gaining momentum PC consumption in the current fiscal 2009-10 is expected to cross 73 lakh units registering a 7 per cent growth, it added.

"IT consumption in 2008-09 was severely impacted, especially in the second half of the fiscal, by the slowdown. Notebook sales declined by 17 per cent compared to a 114 per cent growth in the previous year and sales of desktops also declined by 4 per cent," MAIT Executive Director Vinnie Mehta told reporters here.

During the year 2008-09, multinational brands accounted for 51 per cent of the total desktop market registering an 8 per cent growth over the previous year. Meanwhile, the market share of the Indian brands fell to 18 per cent from 22 per cent.

Assembled and unbranded systems also witnessed a de-growth in their market share to 31 per cent from 33 per cent in the previous fiscal.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jul 2009 13:02

there's going to be more....I feel.

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Cisco lays off 600 to 700 workers at headquarters

(AP) – 9 hours ago

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Cisco Systems Inc. laid off 600 to 700 workers at its company headquarters and an undisclosed number of employees at other locations this week, bringing the world's largest maker of computer networking gear closer to its goal of reducing its work force by about 2,000 positions.

The majority of the cuts, reported earlier by The Wall Street Journal, were made at Cisco's San Jose headquarters Thursday, adding to the 447 California workers Cisco had already laid off since the end of February, according to notices filed with the state.

As of the end of April, Cisco employed about 66,560 people. The company would not say how many people it has laid off outside of California.

Cisco also would not say what groups have been affected. Some workers may find new jobs at the company. The rest will be offered severance packages and help finding other work.

"We are doing everything possible to minimize the impact on employees affected," spokeswoman Kristin Carvell said in a statement.

The company said in February that it planned to cut 1,500 to 2,000 jobs "in the near term." Cisco has also stopped hiring for most jobs as part of a plan to save $1 billion in the 2009 fiscal year, which ends in late July.

In February, CEO John Chambers told analysts that "the odds are reasonable" that Cisco's cost-cutting and layoff plans would be enough to head off even deeper job losses.

Cisco shares gained 39 cents, or 1.9 percent, to close Friday at $20.51.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jul 2009 13:05

they should start with some director+ people...there are allegedly 3000 of such people in a 65k people co. senior managers & directors should get demoted and put
into line management rather than wasting time all day talking 'strategy' and 'vision'

let them earn a honest day's bread. I'd want to sit and count how many design docs,
test plans and lines of code they write and exactly what customer issues they fix.

and the quality of many 1st line managers has become so bad (chamchas, hangers on, bag carriers, opportunists, hawks, have-nots) all they can really do is talk a good game and not much else.

its basically very easy in large cos with the right 'contacts' and brown nosing to become managers and survive insulated from many of the harsh yardsticks used to judge purely technical people...a lot of factors for managers are matters of subjective judgment, so enough brown nosing keeps people safe. a line of chalu people each acting as a crutch for the next one in line.

vina · Post by **vina** » 18 Jul 2009 15:30

'strategy' and 'vision'

let them earn a honest day's bread.

Ouch!. Very Ouch

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jul 2009 15:48

spies inside the most revered co claim demotions have began in right earnest and anyone on the bench for 6 months is being asked to er..leave. people are fighting hard for any scrap of work.

the termite ridden forest will fall back to half its height before any sunshine will reach
the forest floor and growth resume.

its not a good time to be a termite

I can smell the fear and
silent panic in a lot of manager/'thought-leader' types these days.

it is a good time to be a industrious ant storing away the nutrition of dead termites
for future use

vina · Post by **vina** » 18 Jul 2009 16:56

revered co

That is a new one. Is it one of Banana Mouse, Hickory Pork or Ass Enter ?

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 18 Jul 2009 18:53

Suraj wrote:Some real Indian IT news, for a change
PC sales post 7% -ve growth for first time: MAIT

Not surprising in that the avg replacement cycle for PCs has jumped from 3.5 odd yrs previously to some 5.5-6 yrs now. WinXP is good enough and few feel the need to upgrade from a 2005/06 machine at this time. Intel and the PC makers are decidedly unhappy of course, but it was bound to happen, IMO.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Jul 2009 00:23

vsudhir wrote:
Suraj wrote:Some real Indian IT news, for a change
PC sales post 7% -ve growth for first time: MAIT
Not surprising in that the avg replacement cycle for PCs has jumped from 3.5 odd yrs previously to some 5.5-6 yrs now. WinXP is good enough and few feel the need to upgrade from a 2005/06 machine at this time. Intel and the PC makers are decidedly unhappy of course, but it was bound to happen, IMO.

This is not a valid argument for a country like India that has a miniscule PC penetration rate. It means that the individuals and businesses are hurting economically and see no reason to spend scarce money on PCs.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 20 Jul 2009 10:48

Report: India to pursue homegrown microprocessor design

K.C. Krishnadas
(07/16/2009 11:55 AM EDT)
URL: http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtm ... =218500952

BANGALORE, India — The Indian government will reportedly bring together top engineers to design what is tentatively being called the "India microprocessor."

One of the design program's goals is helping to ward off what the government sees as the growing security threat poised by using commerical microprocessors in military, telecommunications and space systems.

According to a report this week in The Economic Times, the MPU design will be overseen by a new entity called the Zerone Corp., with an initial government investment of $200 million.

Engineers from various Indian research and technical institutes will work together on the chip design project, which will be managed by the federal Department of Information Technology.

The report, quoting unnamed sources, said a draft proposal will be presented soon to cabinet ministers seeking project funding. The Times also reported that a proposal mentioned that "unless India has its own microprocessor, we can never ensure that networks [and weapons] are not compromised."

Designers will likely adopt Sun Microsystems' OpenSparc processor design technology (the open-source version of Sun's UltraSPARC T1 and T2 microprocessors) along with the Linux operating system and MySQL open-source database software. The government is also reportedly concerned about future availability of foreign chip technologies. That concern prompted it to set up Zerone, which is looking to recruit 400 designers.

Poornima Shenoy, president of the India Semiconductor Association, said national security concerns dictate the need for a homegrown chip design. "It will also catalyze the local industry built around design activities," Shenoy said.

A senior chip industry executive here familiar with government programs told EE Times that the government's plan was flawed. "It is a mere regurgitation of old plans that went nowhere. When Intel x86 technology and Sun's Sparc technology were offered to the respective government departments in the past, they [did] not even bother to reply," he said.

"Why can't we get x86 technology and design it? Or get an ARM core and design around it? You do not need $200 million to design a chip. A few engineers from a local company like Wipro can design one. How will a government department keep a processor technology alive and support it. Nothing will come out of this program, just as nothing came out of such plans in the past," the executive said.

India's chip design industry focuses heavily on captive chip designs for overseas customers. Hence, these companies have no claim on intellectual property developed during the design process.

Earlier Indian chip initiatives fizzled. The so-called "Fab City" planned in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad to house private wafer fabs has largely switched over to solar energy projects.

The report said Zerone's revenues would come from microprocessor sales and support along with providing training for future chip designers. India also lacks a major chip foundry. The report did not address whether the government would use an overseas foundry to fabricate the projected microprocessor.

—K.C. Krishnadas is site editor of TechOnline India.

Atleast they have realized the necessity. Ideally, I would prefer Indian government to sponsor some research project that will explore the option to design a hardware that can directly understand Sanskrit. Since Sanskrit is a well structured language, and rules are well defined, it must be possible to design an architecture that can understand instructions in Sanskrit without having to use a compiler to translate into machine language.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jul 2009 11:14

they should setup offices in some ready location like IISC and IIt-delhi and hire people on contract from tcs, wipro, infy, other indian cos who already have certain exp and know the program mgt aspects. people from Govt orgs like BEL, CAIR, LRDE, CDAC, TRDDC can also join them under this new umbrella and work side by side. Phd and Mtechs from IITs can also be given certain low risk aspects of the proj like developing support infra/tools etc.

the goal cannot be just one processor - it has to span the range from 8-bit to 64-bit with focus on whichever models are needed most strategically.

similar initiative could be useful for DSP I suppose - one cant always depend on market stuff for ultra secret "vympel" type projects.

vina · Post by **vina** » 20 Jul 2009 11:53

I think the design part is the easy bit. Lots of EDA tools, huge amount of experience all around (YenAreEyes, Desis, Desi Cos, offshore centers of bideshi cos, Academia etc), typical Yindoo strenght, all airy fairy "non tangible" with just thought and no getting hands dirty.

Rather than re-invent the wheel, we might be better off just buying out some of the legacy IP of product lines that were killed during M&A and other "strategic reasons" or (will soon be killed) (I am talking DEC Alpha, SG MIPS, HP PA- RISC or MOT 68XXXX series and the soon to be Shaeedized Sun UltraSparc ityadi) and then update/ improve them with the necessary features.

The big elephant in the hall is manufacturing. That is where it gets hard. Designing assuming a 45nm or 60nm is fine. But how do you actually do it ?. You have to run to Unkil or back to Unkil da poodle like Taiwanese etc. I think we need to handle the tiger by the tail and set up a fab in India and tell Unkil , Nuke , shooke and all that is fine. Now that we have the "strategic" partnership in place and the "Nuke" big enchilada has happened, we should get technology in the same terms as Taiwan , SoKo etc and the technology denial regimes against India are removed once and for all.

Then will come the no small part of competing against the Taiwanese and SoKo . Lot of desis in Intel, AMD, Inst Banana Mousse, TI etc should be invited to come back and contribute with expertise.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Jul 2009 12:07

The IT babus seem to have sold the moneybag babus a bill of goods in the name of national security. The GoI is not that big a market to sustain and ensure a profitable semicondutor venture, which is what would be required to stay at the top of the game in a fast moving field.

IMO, a better bet is to go after the ultra low cost market and create a processor and architecture for something like a $20 or $30 PC. IOW, do for the PC, what Tata did for the automobile with the Nano.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Jul 2009 12:09

Pope hangs up on outsourcing; says it's against workers

NEW DELHI: The Holy Father’s gentle nudge to his flock to watch out for unholy ghosts lurking in the free market is putting the fear of God in Outsourcing industry.

Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical released last week raised pointed questions on the adverse impact of outsourcing, although it steered clear of addressing the issue in region or religion-specific terms.

“The so-called outsourcing of production can weaken the company’s sense of responsibility towards the stakeholders — namely the workers, the suppliers, the consumers, the natural environment and broader society — in favour of the shareholders, who are not tied to a specific geographical area and who, therefore, enjoy extraordinary mobility,” notes the Encyclical.
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