India-US News and Discussion

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 18 Jul 2009 15:57

CRamS wrote:
bahdada wrote:Todays NYTimes opinion piece on India reeks of condescension. Buck fitty and a bag of doritos says it was written by bob kaplan.
Which opinion piece, I couldn't find any op-ed piece about India. Can you post the link?

NYtimes is a leftist/liberal piece of shit.No surprises on that one.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Jul 2009 16:07

NY Times Editorial

The primary focus must be Pakistan. We are encouraged that India and Pakistan have resumed their dialogue, interrupted after last fall’s attacks in Mumbai by Pakistani-based extremists. New Delhi exercised welcome restraint when it did not retaliate. But tensions remain high. Mrs. Clinton needs to assure India that Washington will keep pressing Pakistan to prosecute suspects linked to the Mumbai attacks and to shut down the Lashkar-e-Taiba group of extremists once and for all.

India also needs to help allay Pakistan’s fears. If resolving tensions over Kashmir — their biggest flashpoint — is not possible while Pakistan is battling the Taliban, then talks on water and environmental issues may be an interim way to seek common ground.

The world’s wealthy nations have given Iran until late September to accept restraints on its nuclear program or face consequences. We hope this time India’s arm will not have to be twisted and — if needed — it will use its trade clout to curb Iran’s ambitions.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Jul 2009 16:20

We hope this time India’s arm will not have to be twisted and — if needed — it will use its trade clout to curb Iran’s ambitions.

So the Mofos do admit that India's arm is usually twisted in matters like these. Anyway now they dont need to resort to it since a phone call and pat in the back to MMS is all it takes to get the job done.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 18 Jul 2009 17:10

uncle is openly playing:
1. pakistan against india
2.india against china
3. india against iran.

with egoistic nero like mms in power soon india will be USA poodle.

Asian countries still r unable to recognize the main source of threat is usa.which is playing one again the other.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 18 Jul 2009 17:43

So who are the BRakshites who were cheering for Obama and the Democrats?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Jul 2009 17:46

shravan wrote:After Clinton, Holbrooke to visit India next week

Of course:

"Well, obviously, I think what's important to start off is to recognize the joint statement that was reached in Sharm el-Sheikh yesterday, where both India and Pakistan itself pledged to deepen cooperation, exchange information on terrorism," Crowley said.

Suddenly this becomes the center of the universe.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 18 Jul 2009 17:47

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/world ... l?ref=asia

“I really see events trending in a very positive direction between India and Pakistan, in part because of the shared sacrifice, commitment and understanding that now exists about the threat,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with an Indian broadcaster, CNN-IBN.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Jul 2009 17:50

Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/world ... l?ref=asia

“I really see events trending in a very positive direction between India and Pakistan, in part because of the shared sacrifice, commitment and understanding that now exists about the threat,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with an Indian broadcaster, CNN-IBN.

Why the

it has been known since Obama took over that they want re-hyphenization of Indo-Pak relationship. State dept is back to playing its old game.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 Jul 2009 17:54

Kashmir should be part of India, Pak discussions: Clinton

The top American diplomat said Pakistanis need not fear about her India visit and that she will be visiting Islamabad in the fall.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Jul 2009 18:03

I like this. At this rate the US SD will run out of new words to use to encourage India to come to the table. They have already run out of strategies.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 18 Jul 2009 18:31

Why the it has been known since Obama took over that they want re-hyphenization of Indo-Pak relationship. State dept is back to playing its old game.

My shock and disgust at the state of affairs made me start the Harakiri thread...

My shock is at the patronizing sermons being dished out to the Indians...

My shock is at the total diplomatic surrender in Egypt...

My shock is that Indians take this with no strong retort...

Would Mrs. Clinton use the same language in reference to Afghanistan? Pakistan? in reference to "shared sacrifice", where extreme coercion is used to tackle the enemies of the USA, not meek diplomatic surrender...

Will you ever see the Mrs. Clinton using the same condescending patronizing drivel against China?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Jul 2009 18:52

Forget MMS, do the GOI furrin office babus have the balls to give Clinton the mulli-in-bund treatment? Yeah fat chance.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 18 Jul 2009 21:11

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124787011359360457.html

India and Climate Change
Yes, the U.S. emits more per capita. But it's also been more responsible about population growth.

Maybe it's me... but the patronizing tone gets me...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Jul 2009 22:45

darshhan wrote:
NYtimes is a leftist/liberal piece of shit.No surprises on that one.

This is rep Vs dem, Rush Laimbaugh, Bill O'Rielly etc type trash talk in which Indians have no dog. NY Times, whatever it may be on the domestic front, when it comes to India, adopts a colonial, racist, condescending viewpoint. The editorial smacks of India TSP equal equal, with no outrage at TSP's brutality towards India. And demanding India to be a side-kick to demonstrate its 'great power' status is contemptible. Lets keep our eye on the ball and not get caught on a US-centric liberal Vs conservative nonsense.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jul 2009 22:48

Pranay wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124787011359360457.html

India and Climate Change
Yes, the U.S. emits more per capita. But it's also been more responsible about population growth.
Maybe it's me... but the patronizing tone gets me...

Indians were killed under genocide over centuries. It is about our civilization.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 19 Jul 2009 02:50

Hillary Visits India

NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/world ... inton.html

Inevitably, some of these encounters are more successful than others. In the category of less successful was a panel discussion on Saturday afternoon on education at a Jesuit college, at which Mrs. Clinton appeared with Aamir Khan, a prominent Indian film star who advocates for better teaching.

While Mrs. Clinton offered an earnest discussion of teaching standards in Arkansas, Mr. Khan appeared to condone dropping out of school to pursue entertainment careers.

Yup, Amir Khan is pretty brainless in all ways, isn't he? That's what to expect from morons born with silver spoons in their mouths.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jul 2009 03:01

Ambani meeting Hillary is good. Reliance might get into trouble soon, the US Congress is considering sanctions on companies selling refined petroleum products to Iran. Reliance is among the largest.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jul 2009 03:08

Acharya wrote:
Pranay wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124787011359360457.html

]India and Climate Change
Yes, the U.S. emits more per capita. But it's also been more responsible about population growth.
Maybe it's me... but the patronizing tone gets me
Indians were killed under genocide over centuries. It is about our civilization.

They deny that India has any Civilization . Accepting Indian Civilizational experience means accounting for the death and destruction of last thousand years as well the current efforts to undermine every thing Indian . i am afriad time of reckoning approateth fast and Indians are not even aware of the impending upheavel . Many More Millions lives will be sacrificed before our leaders eyes opend up to reality.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 19 Jul 2009 03:20

Manny wrote:So who are the BRakshites who were cheering for Obama and the Democrats?

The scene wouldn't be much different even if McCain got elected...these Americans have a definitive agenda on rest of the world...like the learned one of this forum said...they keep pitching one nation to counter another nation and use them to boo another...They've assumed the role of Jagannaataka Sutradhaari of Asia, Australia and Africa....worse we treat them like that....

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 19 Jul 2009 06:29

Sanjay M wrote:Hillary Visits India

NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/world ... inton.html

Inevitably, some of these encounters are more successful than others. In the category of less successful was a panel discussion on Saturday afternoon on education at a Jesuit college, at which Mrs. Clinton appeared with Aamir Khan, a prominent Indian film star who advocates for better teaching.

While Mrs. Clinton offered an earnest discussion of teaching standards in Arkansas, Mr. Khan appeared to condone dropping out of school to pursue entertainment careers.

Yup, Amir Khan is pretty brainless in all ways, isn't he? That's what to expect from morons born with silver spoons in their mouths.

I would not be so quick in passing judgement about Aamir from a line in the New York Times...

I saw the program on TV and Aamir in fact impressed me with his nuanced and intelligent answers to the discussion points. He was no fawning pushover. In the issue mentioned in the NYT, Aamir in fact spoke about his own educational experience and in no way seemed to condone dropping out of school. Basically saying - "Different strokes for different folks".

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Jul 2009 09:01

It is the US govt not putting pressure on terrorists groups attacking India which is the problem.

Clinton defends US demands for anti-terror help
AP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090719/ap_ ... 5kZWZlbg--

By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer Robert Burns, Ap National Security Writer – 2 hrs 46 mins ago

MUMBAI, India – Off the injured list and back on the world stage, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday gave an impassioned defense of American demands that India and other countries do more to tackle terrorism and global warming.

Opening a three-day visit to India, Clinton sought to emphasize common interests, symbolized by the terrorist attacks in this seaside city last November that killed 166 people. "It must be stopped," she said, adding that the United States cannot do it alone.

Part of the backdrop to Clinton's visit is a sense of unease among Indians that the Obama administration is focusing more on its anti-terror campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan, at the expense of attention to the world's largest democracy.

Clinton is the highest-ranking administration official to stop in India, where she has been widely popular since visiting as first lady in the 1990s.

Showing no visible effects from elbow surgery in mid-June, Clinton met with business leaders, was serenaded by female entrepreneurs and participated in a televised discussion at a college on what's wrong with education in India and the U.S.

It was the first event of her day, however, that underscored most strongly the central message she carried from Washington.

"The bottom line for me is, our government is committed in the fight against terrorism," she told reporters at the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower after meeting privately with a group of survivors of last year's attacks on the Taj and an adjacent hotel.

"And we expect everyone" who shares the American desire to end violent extremism "to take strong action to prevent terrorism from taking root on their soil and making sure that terrorists are not trained and deployed — and we believe that around the world."

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Jul 2009 09:48

http://www.animatedatlas.com/movie.html

Prabu · Post by **Prabu** » 19 Jul 2009 10:33

Joint Indo-Pak statement an important step: US

'US intends to strengthen strategic relation with India'

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 19 Jul 2009 11:01

Definition of strategic relationship with India:
1) India should forget its own interests and work for the interests of the United States. It means India should support Pakistan as its fights taliban that is annoying US in Afghanistan. India should also be OK if Pakistan does not act on India specific groups or if US does not put pressure on Pakistan to dismantle these groups. That is because as along as Kashmir is not resolved, Pakistan has a reason to keep these groups.
2) India should sign EUVA and buy loads of American military equipment but it will not able to use them unless America is ok with it. That should be OK since India has strategic relationship with US>
3) India should buy American nuclear reactors.
4) India should cut off ties with Iran even though they might be in India's interests.

I am sure there are more ways to demonstrate the strategic relationship and I am sure the current GoI will fully go ahead with this strategic relationship. After all they have stated their intent to make India a great power. Seems like India is on its way.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2009 11:39

Venkarl wrote:
Manny wrote:So who are the BRakshites who were cheering for Obama and the Democrats?

The scene wouldn't be much different even if McCain got elected...these Americans have a definitive agenda on rest of the world...like the learned one of this forum said...they keep pitching one nation to counter another nation and use them to boo another...They've assumed the role of Jagannaataka Sutradhaari of Asia, Australia and Africa....worse we treat them like that....

My belief is a Republican admin would have been significantly better for India, even then I supported, BHO for a few reasons, climate change being the main one, & Bush's incredible stupidity on almost every issue except relations with India. My perspective, is there is not much point fighting over India - US relations if living becomes hell thanks to climate change.

IMHO, coming to India-US relations, we should learn to stand on our own feet & rather than expect someone else to fight our battles, the sooner we become stronger economically & militarily, the sooner the rest of the world will start respecting our wishes. There are no two ways about it.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 19 Jul 2009 12:17

arunsrinivasan wrote: & Bush's incredible stupidity on almost every issue except relations with India

And pray what are those stupidities?

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2009 13:01

derkonig wrote:
arunsrinivasan wrote: & Bush's incredible stupidity on almost every issue except relations with India
And pray what are those stupidities?

There is not enough space to list all of them, here is a sampling.

Invading Iraq - converting a relatively secular country into a islamic country. Especially without finishing the job in Afghanistan & Pakistan. This allowed the Taliban & Terrorists in Pakistan to regroup & become a much bigger problem. Listening to TSP & allowing ISI & their jihadi army men to escape from Afghanistan with the Taliban leadership. One can go on & on on this front alone. Their Iraq strategy ensured that US lost all its goodwill & the world lost an opportunity to effectively tackle islamic fundamentalism.

Funding both sides of the terror war, by refusing to wean away US from oil. If only US had aggressively focused on cutting its oil dependency, the funding for terror & fundamentalism all over the world would have dropped. Today Wahhabis continue to float in oil money & use that to promote their extremist ideology & fund jihadi's all over the world. Do I have to say more?

Promoting and funding the Evangelicals and following their agenda across US & internationally.

Undermining Science & Technology & taking an ideological approach to pretty much everything, resulted in screwing up US economy & allowing PRC to become stronger.

Of course he improved US - India relations, but on pretty much every other aspect he has not only made it difficult for America, but rest of the world, including India. I'm equally pissed with the new administration's neglect of India & its preachy attitude, but I dont see Bush's policies as being all good for India, if one looks at the indirect effects of his policies.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 19 Jul 2009 16:50

arunsrinivasan wrote:
There is not enough space to list all of them, here is a sampling.

Invading Iraq - converting a relatively secular country into a islamic country. Especially without finishing the job in Afghanistan & Pakistan. This allowed the Taliban & Terrorists in Pakistan to regroup & become a much bigger problem. Listening to TSP & allowing ISI & their jihadi army men to escape from Afghanistan with the Taliban leadership. One can go on & on on this front alone. Their Iraq strategy ensured that US lost all its goodwill & the world lost an opportunity to effectively tackle islamic fundamentalism.

Funding both sides of the terror war, by refusing to wean away US from oil. If only US had aggressively focused on cutting its oil dependency, the funding for terror & fundamentalism all over the world would have dropped. Today Wahhabis continue to float in oil money & use that to promote their extremist ideology & fund jihadi's all over the world. Do I have to say more?

Promoting and funding the Evangelicals and following their agenda across US & internationally.

Undermining Science & Technology & taking an ideological approach to pretty much everything, resulted in screwing up US economy & allowing PRC to become stronger.

Of course he improved US - India relations, but on pretty much every other aspect he has not only made it difficult for America, but rest of the world, including India. I'm equally pissed with the new administration's neglect of India & its preachy attitude, but I dont see Bush's policies as being all good for India, if one looks at the indirect effects of his policies.

None of these points are valid. Period.

1. Iraq liberation was a master stroke. Iraq is not an Islamic fundamentalist society like the rest of the Gulf, unlike what you say. Bush liberated Iraq from Saddam, gave those people a shot at freedom & democracy. Iraq is today the only major functional democracy in the ME. Only a madman would consider a democratic Iraq as worse off than being under the tyranny of the Dictator for life Saddam. As for US invasion, well the US needs to be in the ME for a very long time now else that place will explode due to the Islamic terrorists that infest the ME. US presence in ME is not only desirable but prolly the only hope for the whole world if we desire stability in the ME and of course free flow of oil. Dubya admin was well aware of the fact that in spite of a multitide al-lies like Saudi Barbaria, UAE, etc., none of them are actually reliable as the population in these place is inherently anti-US. So, the US had to find a better place for its forces & what better a place than Iraq. Remember the locals welcoming the US troops? True, insurgency happened, CNN & NYT & Cindy Shehag other assorted leftists had orgasms yelling about the 'quagmire' that Iraq had become for US. People shamelessly cheered on the US body count. Shame on them all. Today things are different. The great insurgency is dead, terrorists are pushing up daisies & Iraq is a picture of stability in the ME. Next door Iran is on the boil. Stability in KSA is guaranteed until the royal family stays & things will get very interesting once the incumbent king dies. The smaller tinpot dictatorships like UAE, Kuwait, Qatar all follow Big Brother Saudi Barbaria & as long as Saudi Babaria is stable, these entities will maintain status quo. Dubya Bush is a visionary for having hedged his bets well by bringing in Iraq into the equation. We the people of the world owe him a big thanks for that.
As for goodwill in the Islamic world, the US was not seen as some champion of Muslim interests even prior to the Iraq liberation. Didn't muslims across the world dance on 9-11? Where was the goodwill then? Islamic world respects strength alone. By invading Iraq & erecting a functional democracy in what is an infested swamp of repression, US has demonstrated its will & strength. More importantly, since messiah is so very concerned about goodwill amongst muslims, why isn't he prepared to withdraw from Iraq? He sure made those noises to get the votes of the kooks votebank in USA. Where is all that conscience and righteousness now?

2. The *World* is addicted to oil not just your big bad US under Dubya. Why didn't Europe, which had hissy fits during Iraq invasion, a move on to alternate fuel? Why does our oh-so-technologically-advanced & "land of Han master race" PRC continue to consume oil like there is no tomorrow? So stop blaming the US/Bush admin for what is a global issue.

3. EJs are not Bush's legacy. They were around much before Bush & will continue to be around for a long time. Also do you mean to say that under the great messiah, the EJs will simply roll over & die? Chances are their virulence will only get stronger as messiah's admin, unlike the predecessor's has no moral compass.

4. Pray, what great damage to science & tech was done by Bush admin. Last time I checked, the US is still the world leader with the rest of the world lagging way behind. Oh & PRC still produces shitty stuff shamelessly plagiarized from the world over. So much for Chicom tech leap. Bush may have had his reservations about stem cell research, but what did the rest of the world do in the meantime? What great breakthrough in stem cell research did the rest of the world achieve while Bush was allegedly stemming the march of science? Doesn't it again validate the technological superiority that US still has?
And don't get me started on climate change. This is truly the biggest hoax being pulled on mankind. There is not one shred of credible proof that has effectively linked human activity to alleged "climate change". We even today understand way too little of nature & its processes.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 19 Jul 2009 18:41

4. Pray, what great damage to science & tech was done by Bush admin. Last time I checked, the US is still the world leader with the rest of the world lagging way behind. Oh & PRC still produces shitty stuff shamelessly plagiarized from the world over. So much for Chicom tech leap. Bush may have had his reservations about stem cell research, but what did the rest of the world do in the meantime? What great breakthrough in stem cell research did the rest of the world achieve while Bush was allegedly stemming the march of science? Doesn't it again validate the technological superiority that US still has?
And don't get me started on climate change. This is truly the biggest hoax being pulled on mankind. There is not one shred of credible proof that has effectively linked human activity to alleged "climate change". We even today understand way too little of nature & its processes.

This is what you get when you have a jihadi's mindset to things. Ask people who do science this question better before opening one mouth on matters one do not know about. There are tomes written about funding cuts to science research in the last decade and more. It began in Clinton's era and Bush just fast-tracked the cuts up a lot more. If US still looks good compared to others, it is because it is massive enough and on cruise from work done on previous decades. To see the impact of funding cuts of today wait for at least 10-20 more years to see its effect. It is not a Qtr based cause and effect like in the business world. The immediate effect one sees is less and less people heading to a career in sciences in the US.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jul 2009 19:10

Bade wrote: This is what you get when you have a jihadi's mindset to things. Ask people who do science this question better before opening one mouth on matters one do not know about. There are tomes written about funding cuts to science research in the last decade and more. It began in Clinton's era and Bush just fast-tracked the cuts up a lot more. If US still looks good compared to others, it is because it is massive enough and on cruise from work done on previous decades. To see the impact of funding cuts of today wait for at least 10-20 more years to see its effect. It is not a Qtr based cause and effect like in the business world. The immediate effect one sees is less and less people heading to a career in sciences in the US.

The funding issues for research in massa are real not exaggerated .... all top gubmint labs are affected know a couple of chaddi dosts who complained ... even private sector pharmacy coy like Pfizer is cutting costs in research.... less said about ITvity part of research the better.

anyways this is OT.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Jul 2009 20:39

In the midst of the rule of Sauron's (The Dark Lord of Mordor) and his associates, crookes and team there seems to be a person who still may have some sense.

Jairam shows the spine on climate change

Now, you don't get this often. An Indian minister talking straight and sharp. Less diplomatic, but quite political on an important global issue.

In the presence of the United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Todd Stern, US president Barack Obama's special envoy for climate change, Indian minister for environment and forests Jairam Ramesh spoke in no non-sense term on India's actual position on climate change and, in process, gave a response in the same coin to none-other-than New York Times's strong editorial which gave advise and comments on the Indo-US bilateral issues, including climate change and Pakistan.
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In response to a question Ramesh said, "Let me tell you clearly and categorically that we are simply not in a position to take on legally binding emission reductions."
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In fact, Jairam Ramesh presented a smart power-point message outlining India's stand on climate change and he invited Indo-US joint action in the sector.
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Ramesh also said there should be joint research programmes between India and US on climate change, joint efforts in institution building as well.
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Many experts believe that in view of the Western countries' pressure, ultimately India and China will have to accept some quantifiable cap on it's carbon emission at the Copenhagen conference on climate change; but Ramesh's unambiguous language on India's "bottom-line" on the issue, that too in presence of Clinton and Stern, makes it clear that India will play a hard bargain contrary to media reports that suggests that in Italy , among major economies India has changed its position on climate change.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jul 2009 20:46

^^ It is worth watching

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Jul 2009 21:05

^^^

That was awesome.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Jul 2009 22:36

derkonig wrote:3. EJs are not Bush's legacy. They were around much before Bush & will continue to be around for a long time. Also do you mean to say that under the great messiah, the EJs will simply roll over & die? Chances are their virulence will only get stronger as messiah's admin, unlike the predecessor's has no moral compass.

The government funding of EJs is Bush's legacy. Obama has not found the spine to completely reverse this funding, so the damage is done.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jul 2009 23:08

Muppalla wrote:^^^

That was awesome.

After that the Gora said something about CAP. Then JaiRam came in the end and made a bold statement. I am unable to find the video of it.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 20 Jul 2009 00:39

Look at how Washington Post has reported this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00705.html

Clinton, India's Ramesh Clash on Climate Change

Todd Stern, the administration's special envoy for climate change, has accompanied Clinton on her tour of India. Though U.S. officials said that Stern's visit had been coordinated with Indian officials, the nervousness of the Indian establishment was reflected in one newspaper's headline on Saturday: "Climate Man's Visit Shocks India."

Note "nervousness in the Indian establishment"

Clinton likened the squat, plain-looking building -- which was constructed with U.S. assistance -- to a new version of the Taj Mahal, grandly declaring it was "a monument to the future."

Building constructed with US assistance. Otherwise Indians do not know how to build buildings.

NYT has a better report on the public airing of disagreement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/world ... diplo.html

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Jul 2009 00:40

Did some search on where in India stands on Global Warming. And its really good to know that India does not believe in Global Warming Theory.
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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... 90FCB5569A

India issued its National Action Plan on Climate Change in June 2008 disputing man-made global warming fears and declared the country of one billion people had no intention of stopping its energy growth or cutting back its CO2 emissions.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jul 2009 00:52

shravan wrote:Did some search on where in India stands on Global Warming. And its really good to know that India does not believe in Global Warming Theory.

Indians believe in Global warming. As in, it is happening and is caused due to human activity (many Americans, cough. oil companies. cough) believe either global warming is not happening or it is not due to human activity.

India's stand on emissions reduction relies on two crucial argument

1. Per capita emission: India emits around 1.3 tons of CO2 per capita, as opposed US at around 24 and EU at around 10. On an absolute scale, India emits 1/3 or EU and 1/5 of US and twice as much as UK. Why should India agree to cuts ? Especially when unkil per capita is about 18 times more and EU per is around 8 times more per capita ? Why is it that Unkil's/EU citizens are entitled to a standard of living far higher than that of India ?

2. Historic emissions: Historically, as the west industrialized and built up their prosperity and infrastructure, they have emitted far more CO2 than India ever will. In this context, as a way of introducing protectionism through the back door, Unkil wants to pass laws which penalize imports from countries which do not pass laws for legal reduction of CO2 emissions. Why this baloney ? Shouldnt Unkil/EU be doing more to remedy the fact that they already f'ed up the earth ?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Jul 2009 00:55

The TSP & gora obsession for India TSP equal equal is amusingly amazing. DDM is lapping up Hilary word for word: Pak houses syndicate of terrorism: Clinton

"We are watching it and we hope they will make progress against what is a syndicate of terrorism -- Al-Qaeda, Taliban and many other terror organistions are connected in a way that is deeply troubling to us, and I know to India. But it is also now troubling Pakistan ," she said.

Why not just call a spade a spade?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Jul 2009 01:00

Anujan wrote:Indians believe in Global warming. As in, it is happening and is caused due to human activity (many Americans, cough. oil companies. cough) believe either global warming is not happening or it is not due to human activity.

I and top Indian scientist don't believe it. The link is been provided above.
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I do believe America was behind 9/11 attacks.
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End of the day we have to agree to disagree.