Are you serious sirRayC wrote:It is like JJ Singh's order that on Friday, the whole IA will wear the combat dress so that we do not forget our combat capabilities! What a gas!
Was there really an order like that or it is just a far fetched funny exampleRailways did have a "Railway Protection Special Force" (RPSF) which was more equipped and trained for some emergencies. They also got deployed in J&K as part of election duties etc. But the news I got is that Railways thought of disbanding the RPSF and the personnel would move back to the regular RPF units. RPSF had a special shoulder insignia and used to wear sloutch hats instead of the dark blue beret caps.Jamal K. Malik wrote:Railways announce raising commando battalions
rkirankr wrote:Are you serious sirRayC wrote:It is like JJ Singh's order that on Friday, the whole IA will wear the combat dress so that we do not forget our combat capabilities! What a gas!
But then that is the tailor fault!I too was incredulous at first but I have been told by an army officer that there is some logic to this decision. Many officers go through successive peace postings, and thus do not have to wear combat dress for a really long time. What if there is a sudden situation and the combat dress is needed? It is very much possible that the dress would not fit. By making combat dress compulsory on Fridays, it is ensured that everyone has a combat dress that fits them.RayC wrote:It is like JJ Singh's order that on Friday, the whole IA will wear the combat dress so that we do not forget our combat capabilities! What a gas!
I am sure you will agree that if people have 'uncles' to ensure successive peace postings, then that is an issue that should be addressed and not whether their combat dress fits them or not.Parijat Gaur wrote:I too was incredulous at first but I have been told by an army officer that there is some logic to this decision. Many officers go through successive peace postings, and does do not have to wear combat dress for a really long time. What if there is a sudden situation and the combat dress is needed? It is very much possible that the dress would not fit. By making combat dress compulsory on Fridays, it is ensured that everyone has a combat dress that fits them.RayC wrote:It is like JJ Singh's order that on Friday, the whole IA will wear the combat dress so that we do not forget our combat capabilities! What a gas!
I know it sounds very silly, but one has to admit that it is a very practical decision.
Nice reply sirjee. This order may reduce the sanctity one has for dress/uniform. It will be like private companies , where people wear ill fitting T-shirts, jeans just because friday is supposed to be more informal. Many look like as if tons of cotton has been stuffed in a small pillow coverSadly, this is an issue which IMHO cannot be solved. Uncles have been and always will be there. One can only gather some solace from the fact that, unlike some other departments, posting in IA is at least not regulated by bribery. Officers sitting in posting department are bound to be asked for favors by their close friends. How do you propose to eliminate this problem. IMHO it is practically impossible to do so.RayC wrote: I am sure you will agree that if people have 'uncles' to ensure successive peace postings, then that is an issue that should be addressed and not whether their combat dress fits them or not.
do you think we may use explosives for blowing open doors? Sounds weird but I do recollect that during the Mumbai siege one NSG commando was injured in this kind of an action.darshhan wrote:Shotguns are used extensively by lot of special forces units for breaching especially in CQB.My question what do Indian special forces units use for breaching ?
And NSG officer told me that ShotGuns are used for breaching but not too much in Urban enviorments. They work well in the west where housing is usually wooden walls and flimsy doors. in India we have brick and heavy Doors shotgun maynot be enough for a breach. The NSG practices with a Breaching team that blows off the hinges of the door at the same time. In India people tend to use multiple locks on doors and not to forget Chains so they prefer the hinges.NSG are known to use halligan bars for mech. breaching and low-intensity charges (colloq. called crackers) incld. frame charges for explosive breaching. Explosive breaching can cause injuries to the assault party and may not work 100% if entry point is heavily barricaded (happened in Taj).
Apologies if already posted. Thought a read on the incident will do some good.SanjibGhosh wrote:http://www.salute.co.in/180409/feat_Ban ... 20Dum.html
A tribute to major Mohit Sharma and his men of Special Forces (para 1) who led down their life in Kupwara on 21 March 2009. I new Major Mohit Sharma as a gallantry award winner brave heart and one of the finest officer in Indian army. I new him as his brother is my friend and colleague and working for same organization over nine years.
DDF or is it true?Specialised units like Quick Reaction Teams, Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) and Vajra (of the Rapid Action force) are being deployed, an official said.
The International Military Thread might be a better place.VikB wrote:I could not find any other place to post this.
I am shocked they don't use head protection. Man every soldier in the US Army gets protective head gear. And the elite NSG (far smaller than any army) doesn't use bulletproof helmets as standard gearrkhanna wrote:Cant we get these guys less bulkier body armour. ? There job is bloody hard as it is.
not the opposite.These are pics from some publicity parade. There are now numerous pictures of NSG in action courtesy 26/11, you can see the helmets in use there. However, they do need protection from splinters (1 NSG officer lost one eye due to a splinter injury).Drevin wrote:I am shocked they don't use head protection. Man every soldier in the US Army gets protective head gear. And the elite NSG (far smaller than any army) doesn't use bulletproof helmets as standard gearrkhanna wrote:Cant we get these guys less bulkier body armour. ? There job is bloody hard as it is.
There is no armour for the face - except some splinter protection (GSG9 can be seen with them commonly). Marines are essentially line units (despite various claims of eliteness) in tasking, size and selection standards. NSG is a paramilitary special forces unit - different standards, different sizes, different tasking.I mean these guys are equivalent to marines ..... frontline dudes. That,s a serious lack of armor for the vital head and face areas.
Infact rkhannaji I would say they are heavily under-protected
C120 Mask:level IIIA ballistic protectionThe Advanced Combat Helmet, or ACH, has replaced the old Kevlar helmet. The ACH is 3.5 lbs lighter then the old model and is cushioned on the inside, which sits more comfortably on a Soldiers head. It also has a different suspension system inside which allows a Soldier to fight more effectively when wearing body armor. The ACH is a helmet system that provides ballistic and impact protection. This system is compatible with the current night vision devices (NVG's), communications packages, and nuclear, biological, and chemical (NBC) defense equipment and body armor. The ACH provides ballistic protection within the full spectrum of operational environments
GSG9 first started the practice - they had those yellowish tint talc(?) visors. I have never seen GIGN pics with those ballastic protection visors - only with full face covered respirators and goggles. Any links, would be interesting to see. At the very least NSG needs those goggles given the eye injuries they suffered in 26/11 and I think in Akshardham ops too.Singha wrote:CT units do use face visors and a handheld transparent shield. military units do not. NSG can get such eqpt - will reduce wounds and fatalities in CQB.
there are pics of GIGN CT unit.
screw tendering and RFP - just send some veteran NSG and army-SF/marcos officers and let them test & select what they know works.
funds should bypass the normal process and come from consolidated fund of india used to finance N-program for example.
Would those shields be tactical shields like thisrkhanna wrote:The Sad part is that we dont even need to buy Phoren maal. We have companies in India that make bulletproof Visors/Helmets/Shields,etc
If in a elite force, even the commanders are apathetic then only God can help them and us. I wonder if this is the police influence of the NSG top brass.Rahul M wrote:
IMHO it is apathy from the commanders than anything else.
