Indus Water Treaty

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jun 2009 00:56

Rahul Mehta wrote:Can we demand compensation for 10,00,000 Indians who were killed in 1947 and 4 crore who were forced to flee?

And we keep ALL the waters till compensation is paid?

Dont start that. Thats what got MKG killed in the end.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2009 13:24

Stan, I am consulting other mods to see what would be best. Hang on.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jun 2009 13:33

Proposal: Water Issues on the Indian Subcontinent

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jun 2009 07:40

For various reasons, the IWT thread will remain as it is. I have started a new thread for other issues in our region.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 09:04

J&K government asks for compensation for IWT

The J&K government on Tuesday demanded compensation from New Delhi for losses incurred due to the Indus Water Treaty (IWT), a water-sharing agreement signed between India and Pakistan in 1960.

Participating in the discussions at the state power minister’s meeting, chaired by Union Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde, J&K Finance Minister Abdul Rahim Rather said the valley had been adversely affected by the IWT and called for measures to alleviate the people’s suffering.

He said under the treaty, J&K had been unable to utilise the water in Indus, Chenab and Jhelum rivers. “Had it not been for the restrictions imposed by the IWT, storage facilities could have been created to help J&K meet its increased winter requirements and the state would not have been forced to arrange costly alternatives under short-term arrangements,” Rather said while representing J&K Chief Minister Omar Abdullah – who holds the power portfolio as well.

Shortage: The minister said it was ironic that IHK, which had the potential to produce upto 20,000 megawatts of electricity, had to face power shortages of almost 10 hours a day.

“Only 10 percent of that potential has been realised in the last six decades,” he added.

Rather said his government was working to add 450MW to the system through the second phase of the Baghliar project.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Jun 2009 17:52

It seems to be Compensation Day

. Even the Pakistani's have got into the act:

India says no to compensation for blocking Chenab in Aug ‘08

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

ISLAMABAD: New Dehli has refused to extend compensation both in shape of water or in monetary form to Islamabad for the blockade of Chenab river by India in August, 2008 that inflicted huge monetary loss to agrarian economy of Pakistan.

“During the three-day dialogue between Pakistan and India at Permanent Commission of Indus Waters (PCIW), held in New Dehli from May 31 to June 2, Islamabad raised the issue of compensation of massive dip in water availability that Pakistan experienced in August 2008 owing to filling of Baglihar hydropower project, but India has turned down any compensation saying that it does not believe the data of Pakistan and argued that water dip that the lower riparian country experienced was not because of the filling of Baglihar project, rather it was because of the hydrological conditions of Chenab river,” reveals the document containing the minutes of the Delhi meeting exclusively available with The News. …………………..

When contacted spokesman of Ministry of Water and Power, Zarar Aslam confirmed that India has refused to compensate Pakistan for the water shortage that the country faced in August 2008 in River Chenab. However, he refused to share the modus operandi that the government will adopt to tackle this issue.

Pakistan Commission of Indus Water Commissioner Syed Jamaat Ali Shah was not available for comments despite many attempts to contact him. …….................

The News

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2009 20:02

US to intervene in IWT

"The U.S. government would help in every possible way for the resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India and for resolution of the core issues like Kashmir dispute and water distribution {When did water distribution become a 'core issue' ?} between the two countries," visiting American National Security Adviser James Jones was quoted as saying in a statement issued by the Prime Minister's House here {Islamabad}.

During the meeting, Mr. Gilani called on "the world at large and the U.S. in particular to play their role towards resolution of the core issue of Kashmir as well as the water issue between Pakistan and India."

He explained to Mr. Jones that U.S. assistance in settling outstanding issues with India "would help Pakistan focus on fighting against extremism and terrorism on its western border to ensure peace and stability of the South Asian region."

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jun 2009 20:08

SSridhar wrote:US to intervene in IWT
"The U.S. government would help in every possible way for the resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India and for resolution of the core issues like Kashmir dispute and water distribution between the two countries," visiting American National Security Adviser James Jones was quoted as saying in a statement issued by the Prime Minister's House here {Islamabad}.

During the meeting, Mr. Gilani called on "the world at large and the U.S. in particular to play their role towards resolution of the core issue of Kashmir as well as the water issue between Pakistan and India."

He explained to Mr. Jones that U.S. assistance in settling outstanding issues with India "would help Pakistan focus on fighting against extremism and terrorism on its western border to ensure peace and stability of the South Asian region."

Water has been the paki wet dream ( pun intended ) since independence. This is THE root cause.

The IWT was slanted against India due to a misplaced sense of accommodation by our misguided leaders.

Now the pakis want it all by hook or american crook

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jun 2009 20:08

^^^ Above 3 posts.

Why is JK Govt behaving as if it is 3rd party to IWT? Tomorrow JK Govt (and some stupid will say Hurriyat) will want to attend these meetings. It is becoming an issue with river-waters being a state issue as per the constitution. A while ago (during PVN time, I guess) Puttaparthi Satya Sai Baba made a statement that river-waters should be a national issue to avoid in-state fights.

Why is US coming into this discussion? Is this a subtle way GOI allowing USA to butt in the K issue?

Appreciate some jnaan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2009 20:14

RamaY wrote:Why is US coming into this discussion?

Because the Indian government is clueless, inept and gutless.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 25 Jun 2009 20:16

RamaY wrote:^^^ Above 3 posts.

Why is JK Govt behaving as if it is 3rd party to IWT? Tomorrow JK Govt (and some stupid will say Hurriyat) will want to attend these meetings. It is becoming an issue with river-waters being a state issue as per the constitution. A while ago (during PVN time, I guess) Puttaparthi Satya Sai Baba made a statement that river-waters should be a national issue to avoid in-state fights.

Why is US coming into this discussion? Is this a subtle way GOI allowing USA to butt in the K issue?

Appreciate some jnaan.

RamaY,
That is a Paki version of things (The link is from Paki News rag). The US coming into the discussion is again a Paki wet dream, the PM house quoted US Gen as stating that.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 29 Jun 2009 14:20

LAHORE

THE Pakistan Mutahidda Kisan Mahaz (PMKM) has termed the Indus Water Treaty a conspiracy to deprive Pakistan from its due share of water.

Addressing a press conference here on Sunday, Ayub Mayo, president of PMKM, stated that India was behind the present water crises in Pakistan. He said continuous low flow into western rivers particularly in river Chenab was a worrying development. He said India had constructed several dams on river Chenab in violation of Indus Water Treaty. Resultantly, he added, inflow of river Cheban was reducing day by day.

The PMKM chief said the 1960 Indus Water Treaty was against the interest of Pakistan. He maintained that India was systematically trying to block waters of western rivers. He asked the authorities concerned to look into matter on war footing. “We should dig out real cause of low flows into Chenab and other rivers,” he stressed.

Mayo said water shortage was causing loss to the economy of the country to the tune of two billion dollar a year. “As many as eight million acre of land is being adversely affected due to water shortage,” he said, adding that this menace had put national integrity on stake. He said the government should make efforts for resolving this vital issue.

He said his organisation would hold a national conference on the issue of water shortage on July 26 in Islamabad. He said that patriotic politicians and farmers’ representatives from all the four provinces would be invited to the conference.

link

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jul 2009 05:21

Baglihar power project under terror radar

“At least 15 terrorists are being specially trained in PoK for an attack on the Baglihar dam across [the] Chenab at Chanderkote-Ramban, 150 km from here,” said Mohammad Shafakat and Mohammad Adnan, the two LeT militants arrested on Saturday from the forests of the Shamashabari range in the frontier district of Kupwara, 120 km from here.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jul 2009 15:39

X Posted ...............

SSridhar wrote:Pak Foreign Minister on the Indo-Pak talks

The Foreign Office spokesman said the water conflict between the two countries is of serious nature for Pakistan.

If the issues between the two countries are not resolved, then Pakistan can resort to world powers for mediation.

Ashura seems to have come early to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Both “official” and “non official” Pakistan have fluid on the brain and whips themselves into a frenzy over water today:

Water theft by India pose an existential threat to Pakistan

Delhi out to divert water flow of rivers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 09:26

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_30

To another question, the FO spokesman said Pakistan wanted to resolve the water issue with India in accordance with the Indus Water Treaty. He said that if the water issue were not resolved, Pakistan would approach neutral experts to negotiate an amicable solution.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 15 Jul 2009 10:17

SSridhar wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_30

To another question, the FO spokesman said Pakistan wanted to resolve the water issue with India in accordance with the Indus Water Treaty. He said that if the water issue were not resolved, Pakistan would approach neutral experts to negotiate an amicable solution.

Of course Pakis need "neutral experts" from Unkil, UK-stan, Fliends to be involved in resolving any "issue" ... after all these parties have had absolutely no stake in politics of sub-continent. It is all very "fair" onlee.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 17:01

Aqua-bomb against Pakistan

In a recent well-researched article, the writer brought out that Pakistan has taken up the issue of compensation for 200,000 cusecs of stolen water with India. This "theft" recently took place in June 2009. {The guy doesn't even have the dates correct !} In simple terms, the loss to Pakistan has been caused by India by building the Baghliar Dam on the Chenab River in Indian held Kashmir (IHK). This, indeed, is a very serious issue and as such, wisdom demands that it may not be viewed as an isolated incident.

In fact, the construction of Baghliar Dam is a part of India's water strategy and it is exclusively designed to harm Pakistan on non-conventional fronts. Precisely speaking, India has adopted this strategy for Chankya's well-known dictum of deception or unethical warfare in sharp contrast to ethical warfare to achieve national objectives. {Wow ! Look who is talking about ethics and that too in warfare}

Interestingly, practical demonstration of this 'design' was given by India's ex-PM Vajpayee's behaviour. The story gives that while inaugurating Sudhu Darshan festival in Laddakh, he had put his hands in the Sindhu River and uttered such words which precisely meant that he could stop flow of water downhill to Pakistan. In view of this incident, the writer poses a question as to what could be India's ultimate objective? And then he himself answers that one could see into dark recesses of the Indian mind {Ahh. . .dark recesses abound everywhere in India from temples to minds} through writings of a few Indian military strategists. These writings have appeared in India's United Services Institution magazine.

Highlights of those writings are that these spearhead India's campaign to justify water warfare with Pakistan. Brigadier Joshi, in his book: War in the 21st Century, has even tried to justify scrapping of Indus Basin Water Treaty. He made this mischievous suggestion by twisting Laws of International Water Counsel.

To support the stand of military leaders, some Indian historians have also started arguing that India should put all moral values at bay and engage itself in all-out warfare with Pakistan. These scholars recommend that extreme damage should be caused to Pakistan by building of additional dams in IHK. The damage caused by closing flow of river Chenab to Pakistan could be gauged and further action may be taken in the light of this present venture.

India's nefarious designs are a serious threat to Pakistan. Already, the blockade on the Chenab River has reduced flow of water to a trickle. Seen in this backdrop, Pakistan is already in throes of a severe water shortage. India's intransigence in building more dams will make the shortage of water and power of Pakistan.. India's unilateral Chenab closure decision has already affected Pakistan's Kharif Crop, particularly cotton and sugarcane.

It is high time that Pakistan understands the gravity of the situation. India's intentions are loud and clear. It is determined to use river waters as an Aqua Bomb against Pakistan. India's tactics include releasing floodwater or choking water without previous notice to Pakistan. To use water as an Aqua Bomb, India has built multiple barrages and dams, even on rivers, that were awarded to Pakistan under Indus Water Treaty (IWT).

In sum, as reflected by writings of India's strategists and military minds, India's current attitude is well planned to harm Pakistan. For Pakistan, it is high time to wake up, as time and tide wait for no one.

The writer is a retired colonel

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2009 17:43

Can somebody enlighten, as to what is actually the share of waters between India and Pakistan. How much water do the Western rivers carry to Pakistan and how much does India get through the Eastern rivers? Can India still take water out of the Western rivers or not? Can one say, that India and Pakistan get the same amount in cusecs from the 6 rivers combined?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 17:46

RajeshA, please read this BR article published in SRR

Can one say, that India and Pakistan get the same amount in cusecs from the 6 rivers combined?

Most definitely not. India gets about one-fourth of what Pakistan gets. India never staked claims for a higher allocation when IWT was negotiated.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2009 17:55

SSridhar garu,
The link is needs to be made halaal, saar.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 18:14

OK, halaalled now.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2009 18:19

SSridhar wrote:RajeshA, please read this BR article published in SRR

Can one say, that India and Pakistan get the same amount in cusecs from the 6 rivers combined?
Most definitely not. India gets about one-fourth of what Pakistan gets. India never staked claims for a higher allocation when IWT was negotiated.

SSridhar garu,
my complements on such a through treatise. I will use it as a reference in the future.

Putting my Jingo Hat on -

My instinct also says we should abrogate the IWT, on the basis of Pakistan not fulfilling its international commitments on stopping terrorism originating from its soil, from non-state actors or state-sponsored.
Then we should start putting up dams on the 3 Western Rivers as a form of pressure point on Pakistan.
We should then demand a new negotiation of the Treaty.
Then we should maintain that there should be an equitable distribution of waters from the Indus River Water Basin, from the 6 rivers.
If Pakistan says no, then we should go ahead and offer Sindh an alternate canal for water through Rajasthan, in which Sindh gets more water than right now, giving a portion of Pakjab's due to Sindh as well.
Pakjabis should be given water only if they put an end to terrorism and anti-India propaganda there.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 15 Jul 2009 18:45

SSridhar wrote:Aqua-bomb against Pakistan
....
It is high time that Pakistan understands the gravity of the situation. India's intentions are loud and clear. It is determined to use river waters as an Aqua Bomb against Pakistan. India's tactics include releasing floodwater or choking water without previous notice to Pakistan. To use water as an Aqua Bomb, India has built multiple barrages and dams, even on rivers, that were awarded to Pakistan under Indus Water Treaty (IWT).
...

My suggestion to TSP of a neutral expert is

Who better than Aquaman to neutralize an Aqua-bomb.

Sorry could not resist hence my apologies for the OT post

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2009 19:25

Actually Aquaman does fit the bill.

He is white, blond and wears green trousers and gloves!

India can propose Namor, the submariner, who sometimes uses a Trishul!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Jul 2009 19:39

pgbhat wrote:
To another question, the FO spokesman said Pakistan wanted to resolve the water issue with India in accordance with the Indus Water Treaty. He said that if the water issue were not resolved, Pakistan would approach neutral experts to negotiate an amicable solution.
Of course Pakis need "neutral experts" from Unkil, UK-stan, Fliends to be involved in resolving any "issue" ... after all these parties have had absolutely no stake in politics of sub-continent. It is all very "fair" onlee.

Very pithy and well put. Basically, Unkil, UK-stan (amd of course other European lackeys to square the 'international community') bring tw key facets that TSP knows are its advantage:

1) Both views India & TSP has 2 sides of the same coin (this is the colonial/racist hardwired worlview).
2) The India-TSP theater pprovides these 2 with a perfect platform to play out all the egalitarian theories in the glare of CNN/Fox/Beeb, something that would be unthintable when it comes to dealing with their 'bad guys', and yet secure their interests.

negi · Post by **negi** » 16 Jul 2009 23:28

Btw Sridhar ji very nice article on IWT ; we look forward to see more such informative articles from you.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jul 2009 23:15

‘ If, in Order to Resolve Our [Water and Other] Problems, We Have to Wage Nuclear War with India, We Will ’

In 2003, Pakistan formally served a final notice to the Indian government, urging it to resolve the Baglihar issue by December 31, 2003, a process that failed to yield results.(21) In 2005, Pakistan approached the World Bank for mediation. The World Bank noted that it was "not a guarantor of the treaty," but had the authority to appoint a neutral expert.(22) In 2007, the appointed neutral expert Professor Raymond Lafitte of Switzerland delivered a verdict rejecting most of the Pakistani objections.(23) However, Professor Lafitte did require India to make some minor changes, including reducing the dam's height by 1.5m.(24) Significantly, Professor Lafitte's judgment classified Pakistani objections as "differences" and not a serious "dispute," which could have paved the way for the issue to be taken to a Court of Arbitration as envisaged in the treaty.(25)

To this day, Pakistan remains dissatisfied over the Lafitte verdict. Though India has facilitated visits by Pakistani officials to the dam site and Indian delegations have visited Pakistan to examine Pakistani claims of a water shortage in the Chenab river, the countries remain at an impasse.(26) Bilateral talks between the two countries are now increasingly focused on water disputes. Pakistan has accused India several times of completely stopping Pakistan's water from the Chenab River. In March 2008, Hafiz Zahoorul Hassan Dahir, the IBWC chairman, charged that India "completely shut down the Chenab river from the 1st to the 26th of January 2008, with not even a drop of water moving."(27) India was also accused of curtailing the water supply from the Chenab River during September-October, 2008. Due to a precedent set in the 1978 case of the Salal dam construction by India in Jammu & Kashmir, Pakistan is requesting to be paid a compensation for any water shortfall.(28) In June 2009, the Pakistani government declared that India rejected its demand for monetary compensation for the loss of water from the Chenab River. Pakistan alleged that the waters of the Chenab had been stopped by India during August 2008; however India refuted these claims, citing unreliable Pakistani statistics regarding water stoppage and loss.(29) In an editorial, the Urdu-language Pakistani newspaper Roznama Express noted: "If India continues to build dams on our rivers and stop our water, then the day is not far when our lands will become barren and this nation, that has a spectacular history of agricultural production, will be forced to import food."(30) The daily observed that during a meeting with President Asif Zardari, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh assured the President that he was looking into the matter, but no action was taken. In October 2008, President Zardari took "serious notice" of the issue and warned of "damage to bilateral relations" if Pakistani concerns were not addressed.(31) A few days before President Zardari's statement, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh inaugurated the Baglihar dam project, stating that "Pakistan's concerns about the project had been addressed."(32)

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jul 2009 12:54

Enjoying Pakistani paranoia, at least till the next Non Aligned Movement Summit in Tehran after which who knows what our Prime Minister has in store for us

:

Pakistan Observer datelined July 22, 2009:

Water: India still blackmails Pakistan

Pakistani writer in Bangladeshi newspaper New Nation datelined July 22, 2009 :

India's water aggression against neighbours

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2009 20:32

chetak wrote:‘ If, in Order to Resolve Our [Water and Other] Problems, We Have to Wage Nuclear War with India, We Will ’

After dripping with venom and blaming India and invoking the Yahud-Hunud-Nasara conspiracy theory etc., the 'Conclusion' part from the above is very interesting.

Although bitter feelings and heated public debates are likely to persist in the years ahead, the people and leadership of Pakistan generally accept that there is nothing that Pakistan can do, especially in light of the judgment delivered in February 2007 by the World Bank-appointed neutral expert Professor Raymond Lafitte. In an editorial, the Pakistani daily The News observed: "The only way to avoid problems arising is for the 1960 accord to be respected. India has, on more than one occasion, attempted to violate its spirit if not its letter, by seeking loopholes and technical flaws that can be used to its advantage. But in all this, there is also another message. The interests of the two countries are so closely linked, that they can be protected only by establishing closer ties. A failure to do so will bring only more episodes of discord, over river water, over dams, over toxic dumping in drains and over illegal border crossings...."

In late June 2009, Pakistani Water and Power Minister Raja Parvez Ashraf observed that India does have a right to build dams, but that it cannot stop the flow of water into Pakistan in order to fill the dams. In fact, Jamaat Ali Shah, Pakistan’s Indus Water Commissioner, gave a rare candid interview in April 2008, stating that the Indian water projects currently undertaken do not contravene the provisions of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty. Noting that India can construct dams within the technical specifications outlined in the treaty, Shah acknowledged: "In compliance with the Indus Water Treaty, India has so far not constructed any storage dam on the Indus, the Chenab and the Jhelum rivers. The hydroelectric projects India is developing are on the run-of-the-river waters of these rivers, projects which India is permitted to pursue according to the treaty."

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 23 Jul 2009 20:47

SSridhar wrote:
chetak wrote:‘ If, in Order to Resolve Our [Water and Other] Problems, We Have to Wage Nuclear War with India, We Will ’
After dripping with venom and blaming India and invoking the Yahud-Hunud-Nasara conspiracy theory etc., the 'Conclusion' part from the above is very interesting.

"Although bitter feelings and heated public debates are likely to persist in the years ahead, the people and leadership of Pakistan generally accept that there is nothing that Pakistan can do, especially in light of the judgment delivered in February 2007 by the World Bank-appointed neutral expert Professor Raymond Lafitte. In an editorial, the Pakistani daily The News observed: "The only way to avoid problems arising is for the 1960 accord to be respected. India has, on more than one occasion, attempted to violate its spirit if not its letter, by seeking loopholes and technical flaws that can be used to its advantage. But in all this, there is also another message. The interests of the two countries are so closely linked, that they can be protected only by establishing closer ties. A failure to do so will bring only more episodes of discord, over river water, over dams, over toxic dumping in drains and over illegal border crossings...."

In late June 2009, Pakistani Water and Power Minister Raja Parvez Ashraf observed that India does have a right to build dams, but that it cannot stop the flow of water into Pakistan in order to fill the dams. In fact, Jamaat Ali Shah, Pakistan’s Indus Water Commissioner, gave a rare candid interview in April 2008, stating that the Indian water projects currently undertaken do not contravene the provisions of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty. Noting that India can construct dams within the technical specifications outlined in the treaty, Shah acknowledged: "In compliance with the Indus Water Treaty, India has so far not constructed any storage dam on the Indus, the Chenab and the Jhelum rivers. The hydroelectric projects India is developing are on the run-of-the-river waters of these rivers, projects which India is permitted to pursue according to the treaty." "

The venom part is a reporting of sentiments expressed in the Urdu media, whereas the conclusion part is Tufail Ahmed's own view.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jul 2009 13:19

KV Rao wrote:The venom part is a reporting of sentiments expressed in the Urdu media, whereas the conclusion part is Tufail Ahmed's own view.

True, but that's exactly the problem here. If the author's conclusion is anything to go by, he need not have gone on and on quoting various Urdu newspapers/magazines on why India was evil etc. Also, he could have simply taken apart those silly, illogical arguments but he didn't attempt to do that. He let them go. If the Pakistani Indus Commissioner has himself accepted that India could not be faulted for these hydro-power plants, why should Tufail go on by quoting the Urdu press for two pages ? Tufail must know that the Pakistani Urdu press totally lacks credibility, makes a mockery of itself and caters to religious extremism and fundamentalism.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Jul 2009 14:11

KV Rao wrote: quote="SSridhar" quote="chetak"‘ If, in Order to Resolve Our [Water and Other] Problems, We Have to Wage Nuclear War with India, We Will ’

After dripping with venom and blaming India and invoking the Yahud-Hunud-Nasara conspiracy theory etc., the 'Conclusion' part from the above is very interesting.

The venom part is a reporting of sentiments expressed in the Urdu media, whereas the conclusion part is Tufail Ahmed's own view.[/quote]

Many a insight could be gained into abdul thinking if a new thread to monitor and analyze the urdu press in pakiland and India is created.

Any brave soul willing to take up this challenge??

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Jul 2009 14:19

SSridhar wrote:
KV Rao wrote:The venom part is a reporting of sentiments expressed in the Urdu media, whereas the conclusion part is Tufail Ahmed's own view.

Tufail must know that the Pakistani Urdu press totally lacks credibility, makes a mockery of itself and caters to religious extremism and fundamentalism.

Boss,

It's the urdu press in pakiland that has more credibility for the local abduls. This is where they spew the most venom against us.

The opinion of the paki Indus Commissioner would not have been widely reported because its seen as " against the will of the people"

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Jul 2009 09:07

Monday, July 27, 2009

Peasants announce ‘Black Day’ on August 15

* Convention threatens to stop paying agriculture tax unless govt acts on blockage of water by India

By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: Protesting India’s stance on water-related issues, the Pakistan Muttahida Kissan Mahaz (PMKM) and other farmers’ bodies in the country on Sunday announced to observe a ‘Black Day’ on India’s independence day on 15 August. ………………………

Daily Times

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 28 Jul 2009 08:18

Kishanganga row: Heading for arbitration

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2009 14:27

NHPC rises to new highs to light up Leh & Kargil

Recently in Leh At well over 10,000 feet, NHPC Ltd’s Nimoo Bazgo and Chutak hydro projects are among the highest in the world.

With construction running pretty much on schedule, the two high altitude projects, being set up on rugged Himalayan terrain, promise to light up the Leh and Kargil regions, respectively.

The region depends mainly on diesel generator sets, currently. As a result, electricity in this northernmost frontier is both prohibitively expensive and grossly inadequate.

While the project in Leh is slated for commissioning by end-2010 and the Kargil project by the beginning of 2011.

“These are among the highest projects executed in the world. The region is dependent on diesel generator sets and a handful of micro- hydel projects at present. The projects hold a lot of promise for the Ladakh region,” said Mr H. N. Satyanarayana, NHPC’s Senior Manager (Civil), at the Nimoo Bazgo project site.

The 45-MW Nimoo Bazgo project, at above 11,000 feet, is a run-of-the-river scheme to harness the hydropower potential of the Indus in Leh district of Jammu and Kashmir. The 44-MW Chutak project is being set up on the Suru river in Kargil.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Aug 2009 20:32

Longish, 3000+ word article, though worth a read:

War Over Water: July's Guest Article From Stack Magazines

The Quietus , July 27th, 2009 14:11

In this month's Stack guest article, we bring you Good Magazine's in depth look at the potential for conflict over water in the Indian Subcontinent

Through two wars and a half-century of suspicion and resentment, the Indus Waters Treaty has governed the sharing of a strategic river between the bitter nuclear rivals eager to control and to profit from it. But will India and Pakistan's treaty survive the emerging water crisis?

by William Wheeler ………………….........

LINK

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2009 17:17

arun wrote:
War Over Water: July's Guest Article From Stack Magazines

The Quietus , July 27th, 2009 14:11
LINK

From the above,

When I ask Mulk why his country is so suspicious of its upstream neighbor, he tells me a story. In the months before partition, Pakistani officials had been worried that India might turn the tap on the British-built canals under its control. "Pakistan was misled by their apparently very sincere statements. ‘How could a brother stop water to a brother?' These were their exact words," Mulk tells me. On April 1, 1948, India shut the canal gates and cut off water. About 1.7 million acres of productive land went out of cultivation, he goes on, and with it almost as many jobs. India denies it was a strategic calculation, but the incident is a constant reminder in Pakistan of its vulnerability should India decide to starve or flood it-either as an act of war, or an act of espionage, or even as reckless disregard to undermine its posture in diplomatic negotiations

Lies, total lies. First of all, it was India that was stabbed in the back in Oct 1947 by the so called 'brother'. Even before that stab, the 'brother' Pakistan did everything to greatly damage the unity of India by claiming Junagarh, Manavadar, Mongrol etc. It advised interior Princely states like Bhopal and Hyderabad not to accede to India and explore possibilities of linking up with Pakistan. It tried to bribe other princely states in Gujarat to provide a corridor and a sea-port for Bhopal. It thus tried every means to destabilize India and it claims brotherhood ? All this brotherhood drama was in the feverish imagination of Pakistan.

The April 1, 1948 incident is a reference to stoppage of water by India through the Madhopur Headworks. The author should have investigated why water supply was stopped by India. There was a valid reason why it happened. Subsequent duplicitous and perfidious behaviour by Pakistan proves its intents. It is yet to pay India seigniorage charges that it promised to deposit in the RBI every month.

India does not have the capacity to turn on and off the rivers as if it were a tap. Pakistan's constant cry of its 'vulnerability' is another delirium induced outpouring contrary to facts as always.

There has been resentment in both countries ever since-Indians unhappy with Pakistan's 75-percent allocation of the waters and Pakistanis upset because 90 percent of the irrigated land was in India's territory.

What ?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Aug 2009 03:54

Responding to a question about violation of Indus Basin Water Treaty by India, the President said he raised the issue with the Indian Prime Minister during their first meeting. He said the government was conscious of this very grave issue of water shortage and taking steps for its conservation. He said a special assistant to prime minister on water had been appointed which reflected the significance that the government attached to the issue.
India violating Indus Treaty:T.P Zardari
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ty-Zardari

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 10:38

Tarbela, Pakistan’s largest reservoir, seems to be having a silting problem:

Agriculture to suffer as dead level at Tarbela being raised

Step may result in release of less water during Rabi crops

Sunday, August 16, 2009
By Dilshad Azeem

ISLAMABAD: Agriculture may receive a major setback as authorities have decided to release substantially reduced water supply from the country’s largest Tarbela reservoir from the coming Rabi season onwards, The News has learnt.................

Sources in Water and Power Ministry, while insisting on finalisation of new minimum level, pointed out that Wapda took the decision of setting the new dead level following a bad experience almost two months back when electricity units at Tarbela totally choked due to influx of heavy silt ..................

The Indian projects, Baglihar and Kishanganga that caused reduction in Chenab and Jhelum River flows, are adding to the miseries of Pakistan in meeting the irrigation demands, particularly in Rabi season that starts in September every year. ..................

The News