J & K news and discussion

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Jul 2009 19:56

Please also post the videos of the massive protest against the killing of the 3 year old boy. Thanks.

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Jul 2009 19:56

karthik wrote:So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?

The same thing that was done in Punjab and of course dismantling Bakistan! Trust me it works so well here in Punjab. Force will be met with force. "We will fight the terrorists, Bullet for Bullet"-Julio Rebeiro, DGP Punjab (then).

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 26 Jul 2009 19:57

Stan_Savljevic wrote:
karthik wrote: So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?
How do you know the media is not showing it? Are you sitting in J&K and seeing it with your own eyes? If so, can you catch it on a vid cam and post it on utube and do us a service?!

I dont need to do that the media is showing it albit it not as frantically as they used to, guess they have matured a bit to. Least not forget that i am for a better india not against it. This feels like an Atheist talking with Christians Republicans in the US who blame them for being none patriotic. lol.

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 26 Jul 2009 20:00

munna wrote:
karthik wrote:So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?
The same thing that was done in Punjab and of course dismantling Bakistan! Trust me it works so well here in Punjab. Force will be met with force. "We will fight the terrorists, Bullet for Bullet"-Julio Rebeiro, DGP Punjab (then).

I am sorry but that's an fantasy in the RSS. When the BJP came to power i was hoping for a lot of things and they lagged the balls to do 10% of their claims, the least i expected was control the muslim population explosion and stop christian conversions. If they cant do that when the had the chance all this is just tall talk and wet dreams which end up counter productive.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 26 Jul 2009 20:00

karthik wrote:
karthik wrote: So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?
Stan: How do you know the media is not showing it? Are you sitting in J&K and seeing it with your own eyes? If so, can you catch it on a vid cam and post it on utube and do us a service?!

I dont need to do that the media is showing it albit it not as frantically as they used to, guess they have matured a bit to. Least not forget that i am for a better india not against it. This feels like an Atheist talking with Christians Republicans in the US who blame them for being none patriotic. lol.

Why did you climb down from the absolute "the media is not showing it" to a "media is showing it albit it not as frantically as they used to." So you agree that the media was showing it all along, frantically at times, and matured at times. So if there is anything deeply wrong, wont the same media also show it, frantically and more moderate as they choose to?!

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Jul 2009 20:01

karthik wrote: I dont need to do that the media is showing it albit it not as frantically as they used to, guess they have matured a bit to. Least not forget that i am for a better india not against it. This feels like an Atheist talking with Christians Republicans in the US who blame them for being none patriotic. lol.

Karthik sir either buttress your claims or do not make them! No one is questioning your patriotism but are merely asking you to buttress your claims and if you think we will not subject your opinions to test of logic and strategy then you are mistaken. Please buttress your claims, a humble request.

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 26 Jul 2009 20:02

Gerard wrote:Please also post the videos of the massive protest against the killing of the 3 year old boy. Thanks.

Not to forget his father who was gunned down with him.

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 26 Jul 2009 20:06

Stan_Savljevic wrote:
karthik wrote: Why did you climb down from the absolute "the media is not showing it" to a "media is showing it albit it not as frantically as they used to." So you agree that the media was showing it all along, frantically at times, and matured at times. So if there is anything deeply wrong, wont the same media also show it, frantically and more moderate as they choose to?!

I did not climb up anywhere over you to humiliate you so i never had to climb down, i may have made an error in expression. Which i take back, not everything is black or white.

However that said MHO is that media did not cover it as much as the protests in Punjab MBA student killing or Bihar train burning. That is a good thing and it helps not to fuel the separatist flame, i am for it, however that was not the issue, you miss the issue.

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Jul 2009 20:07

karthik wrote:[I am sorry but that's an fantasy in the RSS. When the BJP came to power i was hoping for a lot of things and they lagged the balls to do 10% of their claims, the least i expected was control the muslim population explosion and stop christian conversions. If they cant do that when the had the chance all this is just tall talk and wet dreams which end up counter productive.

A highly bigoted reply unfortunately! The issue of fighting terror is a national cause and we all INC/BJP/NCP/SAD etc stand for India do not divide us in parties for your narrow ideas. Your post clearly tells you know nothing about RSS and have never been in the vicinity of a Shakha Pramukh leave alone a Mahangar adhikari, talk to them and they will better explain their stand. I am not their spokesperson but they differ from your perception by a large magnitude. Punjab was won by gritty fight by Punjab Police and INC. The same will happen to Kashmir in the due course. But please buttress your claims!

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Jul 2009 20:08

karthik wrote:however that was not the issue, you miss the issue.

Please enlighten??

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 26 Jul 2009 20:11

If you didn't notice I was discussing this with two moderators, they should and would have warned me earlier if it was going OT.

If you noticed, I did, TWICE, and I have now moved the initial posts to a new thread. But, ah! my bad! I forgot that you don't believe in reading what happened in the past.

Anyway, ppl are welcome to continue this fine discussion here.

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 26 Jul 2009 20:15

munna wrote:
karthik wrote:[I am sorry but that's an fantasy in the RSS. When the BJP came to power i was hoping for a lot of things and they lagged the balls to do 10% of their claims, the least i expected was control the muslim population explosion and stop christian conversions. If they cant do that when the had the chance all this is just tall talk and wet dreams which end up counter productive.
A highly bigoted reply unfortunately! The issue of fighting terror is a national cause and we all INC/BJP/NCP/SAD etc stand for India do not divide us in parties for your narrow ideas. Your post clearly tells you know nothing about RSS and have never been in the vicinity of a Shakha Pramukh leave alone a Mahangar adhikari, talk to them and they will better explain their stand. I am not their spokesperson but they differ from your perception by a large magnitude. Punjab was won by gritty fight by Punjab Police and INC. The same will happen to Kashmir in the due course. But please buttress your claims!

What does buttress mean!

Its funny you judge me on what the RSS is and it isnt. I cant argue with a person who has come to deny everything, no intellectual honesty means hard to speak with. Sorry but no hard feelings.

Moreover its hard to discuss if you compare Sikhs with Muslims. They both are diffrent. You cant miss such huge nuances, its like comparing apples with oranges.

Moreover i dont become a bigot if i want the Muslim population to be controlled, for me that is a bigger threat to have an demographic imbalance, when Imams openly oppose family planning.

Edited.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jul 2009 20:35

karthik wrote: Well, i am on your side but its sad you had to use such language against me, anonymity does bring out the truth in us.

For the longest time i have defended my country's honor ever since my childhood and every occasion i had to stand up for it i stood up albit in my own small way but all that does not matter if you go against the grain even if you say that only because you loved the country you live in and wanted better things for its people. Very unfortunate that a culture that calls itself peacful abuses its own when they question it.

So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?

No solution. No talks with Pakistan. I am sick and tired of people who want to talk to murderers and sponsors of murderers. I have no patience with what appears to be plain vanilla stupidity.

Just because there are protests in Kashmir means zilch to me. The protestors of Kashmir live on thin ice - protected by Article 370. India is a crowded country and it is only some weird convoluted "decency" that keeps Kashmir protected.

Let the average Indian loose and every square cm of that Kashmir would get occupied by people who deserve the land more than the idiots who get Paki support for agitation. It's a dog eat dog world in which Kashmir gets protection from Indian dogs and is allowed to host Paki dogs. If you let the world work in the way it really works we could fill Kashmir up with grateful people. In India people kill for 1000 square feet of land. Land is precious to the Indian. Land is sacred - more sacred than life to many, and let nobody have any illusions about what people feel about the territory of J & K

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 26 Jul 2009 20:37

I must say that I feel extremely dissed. Here I recognize Karthik's expertise and welcome his innovative and never-b4-thought-of Blue Sky Out of Da Box thinking on kashmirindiapakistan, and he disses MY expertise on the Basque Independence Problem as "sarcsam". I didn't want to post this b4, this being a family-oriented forum, but I not only stayed in Valencia for 8 days, I shared breakfast* with over 1,700,000,000 Basque wimmens for those 8 days. So I too REALLY KNOW those people.

Now that Karthik has explained his politics, religion etc. without any prompting, I have a better understanding of where this New Thinking comes from. Sure, sure, all these minority-dominated areas should be spun out of India, who needs them? If Indians want to go visit Amarnath shrine, they should just get a visa to transit the Kashmir Valley, and oh, yeah, travel without the standard army escorted convoy, the Kashmiris are all just peaceful Sufis.

Slight question, though. In Malloostan, Malappuram district, and in fact the area very close to Guruvayoor temple in Trissur Dt., are also OneCommunity Dominated. Shouldn't these places also be spun out of India, I wonder, by the same logic (no hope of their ever voting for RSS-aligned candidates).

* hotel buffet

Vikram_S · Post by **Vikram_S** » 26 Jul 2009 20:49

n^3 sir, this person is not like the rest of us and no need for you to feel dissed. if i recall, karthik was banned for trolling similarly

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 26 Jul 2009 21:26

Vikram:

Karthik is an experienced postor, and has an agenda behind this line of reasoning - and IIRC and it's the right Karthik, plenty of credentials in arguing Indian pov. The notion of "liberal..." (meaning WKK to the rest of us) is about as far from being his line of thinking, as anything. So I have to ask about the purpose of advancing this here.

It is also very disturbing because it sounds like some ppl who should know better, seem to be launching their next move, to discredit their political opponents even at the cost of doing irrepairable harm to India. Has the *** determined that they have no hope of "awakening" Indians and ppl of "another community" and picking up support other than to trigger the dismemberment of the nation? If so, that makes them blatantly anti-India in my book.

I guess I should find out soon enough, when the "White papers" start floating around like they did around the Nuke Deal time and the SethuSamudram project disaster (combining to generate a fine drubbing in Tamil Nadu and Kerala at the national elections), though I fear that I have put most such wonderful thinkers on my Gmail "bounce and delete" filter.

The new line appears to be "agree" with the Liberal Out-of-The-Box Modern Thinkers? (LOOT-BMT)Very interesting... that the only way to win "power" in the northwest is to split off the (one community) vote of the Valley.

So hey, by all means, continue the discussion. I am curious to see the extent of this LOOTBMT. An Alliance with the Ethan Allen Corporation? Participate in the next Aug. 15 demonstration in Frisco holding the banner with FOSA and PAA saying:

Allah (and *******) will Destory Terrirst India! FREE Kashmir!

The "Indiatogether" website ( I won't advertise its url) run by some of the worst of the lot, is ready with "facts" (generally Paki versions) to support Karthik's campaign.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jul 2009 23:01

[quote="So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?[/quote]

Solution is Simple, if they are danger to national security then must be dealt accordingly.Being kind folks we are ,before the crackdown , they should be given the oppertunity to move to any of the Ummahlands they wish to live in. KM must know that they do not own the land , they are the left over material from the foreigner forefathers who settled in india with the power of islamic sword, which is broken now .
Bottom line , is it is not hard for even a mental toddler to recognize that three is not much a Kashmir problem but some Sunni Kashmiri Muslim problem.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 26 Jul 2009 23:27

From Mirwaiz's statements on Indian TV is adequate to prove that there was no condemnation or protest over killing of the 3 year old and his father.

Indeed, Karthik's contention rankles.

Notwithstanding, logically debunk Karthik rather than charging on him like bulls in the Pamplona bull running festival in Spain!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Jul 2009 00:04

RajeshA wrote:N^3,

Just poves you were never a visionary and there is no hope for you. You're letting your bad experiences and common sense come in the way! You should rise above them!

Agreed

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Jul 2009 00:14

karthik:

I don't know who you are, or what your agenda is, but kindly do not re-cycle TSP BS about Kashmir over here on BR. I am known for my straight shooting, even at the expense of getting banned here on BR, and also being asked to leave IndiaTogether type get-togethers for daring to challenge the kind of theses you put forward. So, here is some straight talk about J&K, which I request you to take to your WKK clique. Please note, the legalistic mumbo jumbo has been regurgitated time and time again. Thats not my purpose, just hard facts on the ground:

1) I accept that 99.9% of Kashmiri Sunni Muslims (KSMs) hate India with all their guts, and are in cahoots with their Paki cousins across the LoC.

2) While, the 99.9% of KSMs want to seceede, India has no problem with that, but problem is they want the rest of India to leave the land that they currently inhabit. This is unacceptable to rest of India (minus WKKs and other RNIs), we have our civilization fottprint all the way up to northern tip of Kashmir.

3) India has done everything possible, given its limitations, to reduce tensions and calm things down; in other wrods, every attempt to soothe KSMs's sentiments short of secession. But they still won't relent, and won't miss an opportunity to cock a snook and humiliate India. Sir, there is only one definition of this attititude: Islamic fascism.

4) The KSMs are fully in cahoots with LeT and other assorted TSP piglets dispatched to the valley. Furthermore, all these bogus street demonstrations are givin fillip by Paki ISI, and to a certain extent western powers. Thus, India is against a formidabe trio: KSMs, TSP, and west.

5) It may not be under the watch of the current govt, but assuming MMS does not sell India off by agreeging to the kind of bogus solutions you propose, basically re-hashing of what Mush has been saying, a time will come when India has to quell the street protests through brute force. And India should take a leaf out of the west's or China's books on this. Kick the international media out, and fire on the street thugs at sight. In short, bludgeon them into silence. The only good fascists are dead fascists.

Now its time to get back to bussiness as usual/

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Jul 2009 00:28

CRamS wrote:
1) I accept that 99.9% of Kashmiri Sunni Muslims (KSMs) hate India with all their guts, and are in cahoots with their Paki cousins across the LoC.

That doesn't stop them from doing jobs/business with evil non-muslims in rest of India or atleast reject freebies worth billions every year.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 27 Jul 2009 00:53

CRamS wrote:2) While, the 99.9% of KSMs want to seceede, India has no problem with that, but problem is they want the rest of India to leave the land that they currently inhabit. This is unacceptable to rest of India (minus WKKs and other RNIs), we have our civilization fottprint all the way up to northern tip of Kashmir.

IMO, this game was lost when Pakistan was created. Pakistan meets all of these criteria, and if it is allowed to exist, then why should Kashmir be any different.

What is the strategy that will bring back the land that has "our civilization footprint"? Figuring this out is part of figuring out a solution for Kashmir.

Added later:

There's been some proposals floated from surprising quarters along Kartik's line of thought. Maybe merging the India-Pakistan armies would be all that's required.

Indo-Pak confederation: L K Advani

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 27 Jul 2009 01:15

karthik wrote:People need to stop saying everything is over because terror is delinked from talks, I was actually hoping that terror gets delinked because every time a terrorist attacks he is having an influence on what we do or what policies we commit to, we cant become a nation dictated by what terrorist want us to do because then its the terrorists who do our polices and not us. A secure country should do what it feels like and not get dictated by couple of thugs with guns.

I think that both Kashmir's Pok and Indian Kashmir should be made as common friendly territory, where it remains as a common territory under both countries, a border less region that shows no borders on the map either demarcated on pakistan or indian side. A sort of an small union between both sides where passports are not required. This actually is what many kashmirs separatists would want too because they dont want to completely leave India because they know there isnt much future if they go by themselves and pakistan is not a stable country either. Its sort of an good idea if people are liberal enough on both sides.

this post is very telling about Karthik.

Who are these "terrorists" you are talking about? Are you telling us that these are non state players? Please don't pee on my legs and tell me that its raining. Are the LeT not the same as the Pakistani Army/ISI establishment? Are you not trying to tell everyone here that we should make peace with these terrorists?

Ami I missing something?

Yes, POK and Indian state of Kashmir should be be joined together as one... but as part of India. The unified Kashmir can live in peace as a peaceful state of India just like the peaceful state of Kerala.

But surrendering to Terrorists is not an option. Only a coward would believe they can live in peace with a terrorist (Pak Army/ISI/Let).

Snce you seem to luv the Kashmiries so much, I would suggest you start your work in campaigning the Porkies to vacate POK. ASAP! Inshallah, the POK Kashmires would soon be free to join their brotherns living in India.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2009 06:14

So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?

For most street protests, I would say, "Listen to them, and see if they have a just cause". For the lotus-eating freeloader genocide-fans in the Kashmir Valley, I suggest this. followed immediately by Open Borders - with India.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 27 Jul 2009 07:20

Karthik,

I think you way too much behind the curve on this one...Borders of major nations are not redone anymore - not in blood, not in paper, not in negotiation, certainly not by the UN!

Is there alienation in Kashmir? 100%, I agree with you there..Is that reason enough for us to dilute "materially" our stand there? No, not at all...Major powers today are typically status quoist, and so are we..There is absolutely ZERO reason for us to give up on an inch on our position in Kashmir..We are a democracy, remember? Greatest good for the greatest number...A few million (5-6?) people in KAshmir are alienated..So? The destiny of more than a billion people cannot be manifest through the wishes a few million...

Is Kashmir a headache? Yes, it is..We need to "manage" it - over the years, our finesse in the management of KAshmir has only improved - better political management resulting in elections with participation of sections of the secessionaist groups, better security at the border thanks to fencing and all the Israeli gizmos, and generally a more confident diplomacy (riding on our economic muscle!) pushing KAshmir ever so much to the backburner (Kofi Annan finally admittng the fait accompli about the irrelevance of the UN!)...

We will continue to manage it, and with our growing muscle, manage it better all the time...

I generally have a lot of sympathy for the Kashmiris who have suffered/are suffering, but unfortunatekly, its a case of "take it or leave it (for Paksitan if they can!)" for them.....If they "take it", there is a HUGE India opportunity waiting for them - the world's fastest growing democracy! If they dont, sorry but India can only do so much and no further...

As I said, our destiny cannot be hamstrung by a motley group of people, whether its Kashmir, or whether its a bunch of Maoists...

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 27 Jul 2009 07:25

narayanan wrote:
So what is your solution to the growing street protests in Kashmir that our media is not showing? What do you think should be done?
For most street protests, I would say, "Listen to them, and see if they have a just cause". For the lotus-eating freeloader genocide-fans in the Kashmir Valley, I suggest this. followed immediately by Open Borders - with India.

Narayanan, there is no cause more "just" than the national one, not in India in any case..If there is a case of injustice, the Indian system will look into it in some form, even if delayed..

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2009 07:47

Narayanan, there is no cause more "just" than the national one, not in India in any case..If there is a case of injustice, the Indian system will look into it in some form, even if delayed..

I am not laughing at that statement, just at my own error in mistaking this "somnath" for the postor of "(x)Laughter of Democracy" fame.

What a relief!

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 27 Jul 2009 08:15

narayanan wrote:
Narayanan, there is no cause more "just" than the national one, not in India in any case..If there is a case of injustice, the Indian system will look into it in some form, even if delayed..

I am not laughing at that statement, just at my own error in mistaking this "somnath" for the postor of "(x)Laughter of Democracy" fame.
What a relief!

And what might that be?

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2009 08:25

If you have to ask that, I am even more relieved.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Jul 2009 19:27

Karthik,

I think the point that is being missed is that the only thing to negotiate with Pakistan vis J&K is the return of POK, and the modalities thereof. There is nothing that J&K needs more than any other state in India does. The rest of the "dispute" is a product of violence instigated by Pakistan and bigoted Kashmiris who believe as Muslims they cannot live with a Hindu majority India. Tens of millions of Muslims have already proven them wrong. So it is only a question of what will incentivise Pakistan to pull back from its policy of fomenting violence and terror in India. J&K has little to do with it, really, except as a convenient instrument. If nothing will prove sufficient incentive, then a dismemberment will be in order. And it will be done. Slowly. Don't be in a hurry. Pakistan is barely 60 and some yrs old.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Jul 2009 19:38

JE Menon wrote:Karthik,

I think the point that is being missed is that the only thing to negotiate with Pakistan vis J&K is the return of POK, and the modalities thereof. There is nothing that J&K needs more than any other state in India does. The rest of the "dispute" is a product of violence instigated by Pakistan and bigoted Kashmiris who believe as Muslims they cannot live with a Hindu majority India. Tens of millions of Muslims have already proven them wrong. So it is only a question of what will incentivise Pakistan to pull back from its policy of fomenting violence and terror in India. J&K has little to do with it, really, except as a convenient instrument. If nothing will prove sufficient incentive, then a dismemberment will be in order. And it will be done. Slowly. Don't be in a hurry. Pakistan is barely 60 and some yrs old.

This is the most pragmatic read on the situation to date.

Cheers.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2009 20:16

Looks like "karthik" has done a shoot-n-scoot. Bad move. Interests the 4SPDA mightily.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Jul 2009 20:31

narayanan wrote:he disses MY expertise on the Basque Independence Problem as "sarcsam". I didn't want to post this b4, this being a family-oriented forum, but I not only stayed in Valencia for 8 days, I shared breakfast* with over 1,700,000,000 Basque wimmens for those 8 days. So I too REALLY KNOW those people.

You may have had breakfast with 1,700,000,000 Basque wimmens in Valencia, Spain, {Can't imaging any amount of breakfast resuscitating you after that.}

but, if I may disappoint you, Valencia is not in Basque Country.

This means karthik knows more about Kashmir and its problems than you.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Jul 2009 20:39

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Jul 2009 22:28

On Shopian:

I thought this issue is addressed with the courts criticizing the police and media for mishandling the situation and misreporting.

But today I read news stories that Mufti Mehabooba Sayeed threw mike at the assembly speaker during a discussion on Shopian. Any idea what is her problem? I couldn’t get through the news items to find why she is so agitated…

Thanks

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Jul 2009 22:30

well my kashmiri shawl seller from srinagar has been visiting us for near about 30 years now.
does that count as personal experience on kashmir ?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 28 Jul 2009 00:44

RamaY wrote:On Shopian:

I thought this issue is addressed with the courts criticizing the police and media for mishandling the situation and misreporting.

But today I read news stories that Mufti Mehabooba Sayeed threw mike at the assembly speaker during a discussion on Shopian. Any idea what is her problem? I couldn’t get through the news items to find why she is so agitated…

Thanks

She mistook the speaker for Narayanan

Must be that her Bakistani handlers are anxious the Cashmeer is on the backburner and people are discussing Baluchistan instead

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Jul 2009 05:40

vera_k wrote: There's been some proposals floated from surprising quarters along Kartik's line of thought. Maybe merging the India-Pakistan armies would be all that's required.

Indo-Pak confederation: L K Advani

God save the Motherland from old men pining for their place of birth in their dying days.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 28 Jul 2009 06:26

Hello KVRao garu et al: Pls read carefully what Advani said. It's excellent pisskops.

"I conceive that there would be a time when decades hence, both the countries would feel that partition has not solved matters.

There is an exercise that I would highly recommend to ppl who are not regular postors in the Lal Mullah University's BENIS thread. This is to close your eyes and imagine what it is like for a Pakistani who has access to TV, internet and news media, especially a RAPE, to wake up in the morning.

Now you will see why such a statement from no less than Advani is a devastating act of destabilization against the Paki power structure. He is holding out that slender ray of hope that one day, Pakis can aspire to be part of an actual nation again. It brings out all the contrast between the trajectories of India and their terrorist slum, and in that fleeting moment of subconscious reasoning b4 they actually open their eyes and become Pakis again, it occurs to them how stupid their many fathers were to not stay part of India. And then reality hits like a well-deserved kick in the musharraf.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Jul 2009 06:41

narayanan wrote:why such a statement from no less than Advani is a devastating act of destabilization against the Paki power structure.

I am sorry but I think Advaniji has gone senile. Must have been that trip to Djinn-ahs tomb. To expect Indians in the future to absorb over 200M raving lunatics into Mother India's fold is sheer idiocy. Nay, short-sightedness.