Only a fool will find virtue in his foolhardy actions. Goody goody.Gerard wrote:“We’ve externalised an internal problem,” the Wall Street Journal quoted a senior Pakistani official as saying.
We must give them food, water and 2 Gaz Jammen. They deseve it, we owe it to them, lets not forget normally courtsey due to Pakjabis, so what if they are born out of incest becuase of living Asuric way of life. Crab cooking is the best when done with Pakibans.BijuShet wrote:He said the amount shares 30 percent of the total expenses of ongoing relief projects.
Most citizens of pakistan who will come across the border as refugees are contributors to pakistans terrorism against India. Why should the BSF jawan or any Indian for that matter show any mercy to such people who did not feel the prick of their conscience when they helped buy death for our fellow Indians.
Friday, September 08, 2006
Hanif Khalid
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has acquired the capability of developing its own nuclear submarine. Pakistani scientists and the engineers have developed indigenous technology for building the nuclear submarines at the existing facilities. This capability will strengthen the naval defence of the country. President Gen Pervez Musharraf will discuss this matter with the Chinese President during his visit to Islamabad in November this year.
Pakistan started exploring alternative sources and strategies to bridge the wide gap with India in conventional and strategic weapons/forces to sustain its independence and sovereignty. The gap was widening due to the United State’s tilt towards India as compared to Pakistan. According to a military comparison, Indo-Pak conventional and strategic asymmetries until now are not primarily in favour of Pakistan.
But Premji, we Indians being SDRE baniyas, an Insas round is cheaper than the food, water and 2 Gaz Jameen.Prem wrote:We must give them food, water and 2 Gaz Jammen. They deseve it, we owe it to them, lets not forget normally courtsey due to Pakjabis, so what if they are born out of incest becuase of living Asuric way of life. Crab cooking is the best when done with Pakibans.BijuShet wrote:He said the amount shares 30 percent of the total expenses of ongoing relief projects.
Most citizens of pakistan who will come across the border as refugees are contributors to pakistans terrorism against India. Why should the BSF jawan or any Indian for that matter show any mercy to such people who did not feel the prick of their conscience when they helped buy death for our fellow Indians.
When Pakis say they have the technology it means 2 possibilitiesOk you rice eating people, pakistan has already arrived. Finally India launched its nuclear submarine which it took 2 decades to build, pakistan had already taken a lead in this regard, you guessed it right, several years ago.
India is only catching up to pakistan now.
I heard his baccha putar has moved to Palo Alto. Ca.VinodTK wrote:Musharraf may not return to Pakistan !!!!!!
The only reason has to be how we have managed ourselves. If only the Quaid-e-Azam had lived longer. If only the millstone of Kashmir was not around our neck. That has not happened but we still have to make ourselves a reasonably decent and sane country. The apparent success of our sibling India has to drive us on. After all, there can be some positive effects of sibling rivalry.
The only way forward is if we can organise our system of governance, which starts from the top. Who rules us? The Constitution determines that and unfortunately we have not been able to stick to one document with consistency. Now we're in the process of stitching it up to put it back in some sustainable shape. Various amendments are being debated by the two main parties.
We have had 23 civilian prime ministers in our 62 years history. On an average a government lasted 18 months only. Only five prime ministers have survived more than three years--i.e., Liaquat Ali Khan, Z A Bhutto, Muhammad Khan Junejo, Benazir Bhutto and Shaukat Aziz, with Liaquat Ali Khan being the only one whose government survived more than four years. So much for the statistical probability of a prime minister surviving five year, as envisioned in our Constitution.
I hope I live to see a day where both the outgoing and incoming prime ministers are at the same oath-taking.
Despite these policies, however, ordinary Pakistanis never lost hope for the model envisaged by its founders: a pluralistic society within a Muslim-majority country. Finding in religious extremism a common threat, Pakistanis of all faiths, ethnicities and cultures have begun working together for a more tolerant Pakistan. Support for victims of the 2005 earthquake and internally displaced people as a result of conflict between the Taliban and the government transcends religious boundaries.
First, reform the public school curriculum so that it accommodates all Pakistanis and inculcates students with a mindset that is respectful of differences and emphasizes the benefits of pluralism in a modern nation.
Second, revise madrasa (Islamic religious school) curricula to include subjects like social and natural sciences, math, foreign languages and literature, social and civic studies and world religions, all of which expose students to a broader understanding of domestic and international affairs.
Third, highlight the constructive contributions of non-Muslim Pakistanis in the media. Through proper training, media can play a role by covering positive stories and refraining from defaming minority groups.
Fourth, remove and change discriminatory laws that are making the mutual coexistence of Muslims and non-Muslims difficult, such as the blasphemy law (Sections 295-B and 295-C of the Pakistani Penal Code) that has often been used to try non-Muslims accused of defiling the Quran or making derogatory remarks about the Prophet Muhammad; or the law of witness, which claims that a woman’s testimony is not equal to a man’s, and that a non-Muslim is unable to testify against a Muslim.
From the time of Pakistan’s founding, non-Muslims have been an integral part of the state. The flag of Pakistan reflects this diversity: the white portion of the flag on the left representing the non-Muslim population and the dark green portion on the right its Muslim constituency.
It will be no easy feat but Pakistanis need to revive the spirit of unity in diversity that shaped its founding principles.
A little from "Column A" and the rest from "Column B".archan wrote:are they really that dense or what?
What utter nonsense is this?Pakistanis need to revive the spirit of unity in diversity that shaped its founding principles.
and moreThe government had also given clearance for the building of Vanguard-class nuclear ballistic submarines, or Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear (SSBN), each worth around Rs 100 billion.
The Foreign Ministry said on Monday the “continued induction of new lethal weapon systems” by India was detrimental to regional peace and stability.
The situation in the province came in for detailed discussion during the first meeting of the Foreign Secretaries at Sharm-El-Shaikh in the evening of July 14, two days before the meeting of Dr. Singh and Mr. Gilani. Pakistani Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir told his Indian counterpart, Shiv Shankar Menon, that India must delink the composite dialogue process from action on terrorism, otherwise Pakistan would be forced to produce before the international media at least “three Indian Ajmal Kasabs” who were directly or indirectly part of the terrorist activities in Balochistan. He added that Pakistan would easily establish that the Indian Consulate in the Afghan city of Kandahar was actually a control room of terrorist activities organised by the separatist Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA). The three Indian nationals were arrested in Pakistan in the last few weeks. According to Pakistani officials, they have undeniable evidence of the links of these Indians with Baloch militants.
Mr. Bashir told Mr. Menon that Pakistan and India could not afford a blame game. If Pakistan were to come out with evidence of India’s involvement in the attack on Chinese engineers in the Gwadar port city, not only would India’s credibility be damaged but also more anti-India feelings would spread in Pakistan. The extremist forces would be the ultimate beneficiaries, Mr. Bashir said.
One must understand why the Pakistani authorities are very careful in exposing the alleged Indian involvement in Balochistan. First, this new blame game will only help the extremist forces who successfully organised the attacks in Mumbai on November 26, 2008 to derail the India-Pakistan peace process. Secondly, it will harm Afghanistan-Pakistan relations. The U.S. does not want tensions between Islamabad and Kabul at this stage because the NATO forces are trying their best to conduct a presidential election in Afghanistan in a few weeks. Thirdly, the PPP-led coalition government is aware that Balochistan is not a serious dispute like Jammu and Kashmir; it is a problem of provincial rights. Instead of internationalising the issue, therefore, Islamabad should address the problem realistically. It cannot get away by blaming India alone for the unrest in the province. It has engaged many Baloch militants in talks behind-the scenes. Good news is expected soon.
Pakistan is making noises about the alleged Indian involvement in the Baloch insurgency in a careful, calculated and “limited manner.” The U.S. magazine, Foreign Affairs (March 2009) published the report of a roundtable discussion on the causes of instability in Pakistan. Christine Fair of RAND Corporation said, “having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Balochistan.”
If Pakistan plays the India card in Balochistan, many anti-U.S. forces in Pakistan will demand to know why it is silent on the CIA’s role in Balochistan.
Keeping in view the sensitivity of the problem, it is difficult for India to openly support the Baloch insurgency because it may harm its relations with Iran. If Indians come out openly in support of the BLA, anti-Indian elements in Pakistan will quickly bracket New Delhi with the alleged great game of the U.S. against Iran.
Why must India discuss Balochistan with Pakistan? For, it will be the transit route of at least two multinational gas pipelines — one from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan and the other from Iran to Pakistan. India could be a beneficiary of both pipelines, which could be extended from Multan to New Delhi. A stable Balochistan will, thus, ultimately benefit India.
Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, China and India should join hands, and stop proxy wars in Kashmir and Balochistan. They can then change the fate of the whole region.
) can be put in that folder.Archan, such a thread will be redundant as sooner or later all of them will be duly posted in the "Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism" thread anyway.archan wrote:Folks, do we need an "International Terrorism Watch" kind of a thread for news like this? I see there was a suicide blast in Chechnya also today. All non-paki related terrorism (at least until the paki link is exposed
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has said it cannot arrest outlawed Jamaat-ud-Dawah chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, linked by India to the Mumbai terror attacks, since there is no proof of his involvement in the 26/11 assault.
Saeed will not be arrested merely on the basis of statements linking him to the attacks and the Indian government has been asked to provide proof of his involvement in any misdeeds, Pakistan's interior minister Rehman Malik has said.
"We do not have any proof against Hafiz Saeed," Malik told Geo News channel in an interview.
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A direct outcome of the delinking process.RaviBg wrote:No proof against Hafiz Saeed in 26/11 attacks: Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has said it cannot arrest outlawed Jamaat-ud-Dawah chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, linked by India to the Mumbai terror attacks, since there is no proof of his involvement in the 26/11 assault. ...
With Stubborn Unrest in Swat, Landowners Remain in Exile
Even as hundreds of thousands of people stream back to the Swat Valley after months of fighting, one important group is conspicuously absent: the wealthy landowners who fled the Taliban in fear and are the economic pillar of the rural society.
If it continues, the landlords’ absence will have lasting ramifications not only for Swat, but also for Pakistan’s most populated province, Punjab, where the landholdings are vast, and the militants are gaining power, said Vali Nasr, a senior adviser to Mr. Holbrooke, the American envoy.
“If the large landowners are kept out by the Taliban, the result will in effect be property redistribution,” Mr. Nasr said. “That will create a vested community of support for the Taliban that will see benefit in the absence of landlords.”
Just not the wealthy landlords, even the MNAs, MPAs, nazims, pirs, jirga elders will not return in a hurry. The policemen who have reported for duty have done so under PA coercion and I even doubt if they are all locals. The IDPs are also returning under force but they may have little option anyway. The returning IDPs are therefore like headless chicken. The PA is not going to stay put in Swat, Malakand or Dir. All in all, these areas will switch back to Taliban hands. When that happens, the fate will be sealed for ever.Anujan wrote:With Stubborn Unrest in Swat, Landowners Remain in Exile
Even as hundreds of thousands of people stream back to the Swat Valley after months of fighting, one important group is conspicuously absent: the wealthy landowners who fled the Taliban in fear and are the economic pillar of the rural society.
MIRANSHAH: Several casualties are feared in a suicide attack at a security check post in North Waziristan Agency, Geo News reported Tuesday.
According to reports, a suicide bomber ran explosive-laden vehicle into a security check post at Ghulam Khan Road in NWA, where casualties are feared.
The relief activities have been started with security cordon put around the blast site.
Remember that famous allegation by the New Zealanders (I think) against the pooki bowlers recently of being able to move the ball in the air so late in the game?The Australian coach said in his book that the Rawalpindi Express had tried to teach ball-tampering to his fellow fast bowlers. He further said that Shoaib Akhtar told them various methods used by some of his fellow Pakistani fast bowlers.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s population is growing so fast despite decades of family planning efforts that in 40 years it will be the fourth largest country in the world.
The United Nations Population Division projects that Pakistan would overtake Brazil and Indonesia by 2050 to rank fourth in the world population, almost doubling to 335 million from its current 180 million, a private news channel reported.
“How can Pakistan support a population of that size with jobs, education and health care? It cannot do so right now with the population it has,” said Daniel Baker, who heads the UN Family Planning Association in Pakistan.
In 60 years it has multiplied nearly five times, and now Pakistan has a population growth rate of 2.2 per cent per year, and surpassed in South Asia only by Afghanistan, according to UN population data.
“Pakistan is now experiencing its largest ever youth bulge. When you do not make positive capital investments in this youth bulge, then it is taken away by the other side and you see violence and all that coming in. It is a very scary picture.”
Totally OT here but you mean pukes were able to reverse swing the ball so early in the game. Usually you can only reverse swing the ball at later stages of the game, like 40 overs or so, when there is considerable wear and tear to the ball. But bakis allegedly used djinn technology and started reverse swing as early as the 15th over.Remember that famous allegation by the New Zealanders (I think) against the pooki bowlers recently of being able to move the ball in the air so late in the game?
Islamabad, Jul 28 (PTI) Pakistan has said it cannot arrest outlawed Jamaat-ud-Dawah chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, linked by India to the Mumbai terror attacks, since there is no proof of his involvement in the 26/11 assault.
Saeed will not be arrested merely on the basis of statements linking him to the attacks and the Indian government has been asked to provide proof of his involvement in any misdeeds, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said.
"We do not have any proof against Hafiz Saeed," Malik told Geo News channel in an interview.
"We have demanded and we are demanding from India that if you have proof, give (it to) us, but do not do propaganda.
I assure we will take action. But just on hearsay we cannot arrest our citizen," he said.
"If New Delhi wants some credible action, it needs to provide substantiated evidence," he added.
BRUSSELS — Taliban militants are receiving more funding from their sympathizers abroad than from Afghanistan's illegal drug trade, the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan said Tuesday.
Richard Holbrooke also urged the international community to help Pakistan deal with refugees uprooted by the fighting in the Swat Valley because the region is a vital staging area for militant operations in neighboring Afghanistan.
"More money is coming from the (Persian) Gulf than is coming from the drug trade to the Taliban," Holbrooke told journalists at NATO headquarters in Brussels
He said there was no evidence that governments in the Persian Gulf or anywhere else were providing the financing.
"The money is coming in from sympathizers from all over the world with the bulk of it appearing to come from the Gulf," he said, adding that he did not have hard figures for the amount of overseas funding reaching the Taliban.
"What I believe happens is that the Taliban funds local operations in the Pashtun belt out of drug money, but the overall effort gets massive amounts of money from outside Afghanistan," Holbrooke said.
....Despite of calling the move as “a matter of concern”, Bashir, however, didn’t consider the neighboring country’s military leap-forward as a major security threat for Islamabad’s own navy.
Instead, he said his navy’s key jobs would be combating terrorism, piracy, and other illegal uses of the sea as drug trafficking, and protecting the sea lines of communication in the Indian Ocean.
“We are not focused on India. India is a neighbor, so we must have good relationship (with it),” Bashir said, while suggesting both countries continue dialogues to improve ties......
....Without entering into an arms race with India, Pakistan will take all appropriate steps to safeguard its security and maintain strategic balance in South Asia,” Basit said.....
China-made frigate ready to set sail for Pakistan
“They will contribute for the security of the Indian Ocean,” Bashir commented on the prospective role of the China-made frigates.
He also said his country would “look beyond the F-22p”, in hoping for more cooperation with China, whose military industry is of “high quality”.
On the eve of the Prime Minister's statement to Parliament, comments by Pakistan's interior minister have caused more embarrassment to an already beleaguered government.
Indian officials have made it clear that if Pakistan is a civilised society, it would act against the Lashkar chief, Hafiz Saeed and charge him under domestic laws. But with such a huge political storm raging here, the Foreign Ministry quickly deflected any questions.
"I think the Prime Minister is the authority on this subject and he will give the answer in Parliament tomorrow," said Shashi Tharoor, Minister of State, External Affairs.
But the opposition has stepped up its protests submitting a memorandum to the President on Tuesday detailing their objection to the joint statement.
While the Congress has publicly said there are no differences with the PM, sources say Dr Singh is expected to tell Parliament:
*There will be no composite dialogue till there is concrete action against terrorism
* And Balochistan is Pakistan's internal matter
The Congress hoping that the Prime Minister's statement will put the concerns to rest, but won't be easy for Dr Singh especially on the issue of Balochistan.
The rivers are drying up as the glaciers that regulate Kashmir’s waters melt
. It is estimated that Pakistan may run out of water in the next two decades. ‘Ninety percent of Pakistan’s agricultural irrigation depends on rivers that originate in Kashmir.’....
....The best damming sites are found in Kashmir, a region under dispute between Pakistan and India....
Lest it wants its people to starve, it can ‘cooperate with India in building dams and reservoirs, handing over control of its waters to the country it regards as the enemy.’
According to a recent World Bank report, ‘one-third of Pakistan’s economy is at risk from rising sea levels and stronger storm surges.’
1) China seems to have - for the time being at least - decided not to provide Pakistan with submarine related nuclear techsHiten wrote:
Pakistan will not join maritime arms race: Admiral....Despite of calling the move as “a matter of concern”, Bashir, however, didn’t consider the neighboring country’s military leap-forward as a major security threat for Islamabad’s own navy.
Instead, he said his navy’s key jobs would be combating terrorism, piracy, and other illegal uses of the sea as drug trafficking, and protecting the sea lines of communication in the Indian Ocean.
