Why was he allowed to return?SSridhar wrote:With people like this author, India doesn't need enemiesDr Sandeep Pandey, social activist and Ramon Magsaysay Award winner, has just returned from a week long trip to Pakistan.
SSridhar wrote:Dr Sandeep Pandey, social activist and Ramon Magsaysay Award winner, has just returned from a week long trip to Pakistan.
As Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf defied summons and failed to show up before the country's highest court for the second day on Thursday, Chief Justice Iftikhar M. Chaudhary has observed that the ex-President can be tried for "high treason" by Parliament.
The Chief Justice also observed that the Parliament can also annul all ordinances issued post-emergency imposed by Gen. Musharraf.
But, Justice Chaudhary, who himself was the victim among the more than 60 Judges sacked by the former Army chief, however, turned down a plea to launch a treason case against Musharraf.
We don't have a option. We can't go on war with Pakistan till America is in Afghanistan. Why is it so hard to understand ?CRamS wrote:What is a succint definition of surrender? After all the terror perpetrated by terror, India has huffed and puffed, and now says jee war is ont an option, we have no choice but to talk bla bla,
Okay fine. War is not an option. Why is Talks a necessity? Make me understand please.shravan wrote:We don't have a option. We can't go on war with Pakistan till America is in Afghanistan. Why is it so hard to understand ?CRamS wrote:What is a succint definition of surrender? After all the terror perpetrated by terror, India has huffed and puffed, and now says jee war is not an option, we have no choice but to talk bla bla,
We are lucky that we don't have leaders like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
If you have followed the news from April then you would not be surprised by the Joint Statement. America forced us for the talks because it wants to see the tensions calm down so they could force PA to move towards West.RajeshA wrote:Okay fine. War is not an option. Why is Talks a necessity? Make me understand please.
John Snow Sir,John Snow wrote: Shravan
Excuses Excuses and even more innovative excuses. Taking out terrorists is the objective ( atleast professed)of USA so Use IA and say we helped unkil.
I am also waiting for terrible news but it seems like Chidambaram is doing a good job.Rahul Shukla wrote:Why are Pakis taking so long in blowing up some more yindoos?
Correction its" Make Whine not war!"John Snow wrote: Boss the top leadership in IA also councils " Make wine not war", war is expensive yada yada ...
All because of expenditure on GOAT-e-FATA onlee. Yindoos meanwhile sit pretty whining about imaginary Mumbai losses and hoarding $$$ with forex reserves going up by 2.27 billion in one week to 266.19 billion onlee.KARACHI, July 30 (Reuters) - Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves fell by $80 million in the week that ended July 25 to $11.77 billion, the third straight weekly fall, the central bank said on Thursday.
The State Bank of Pakistan's reserves eased to $8.35 billion from $8.43 billion a week earlier, while reserves held by commercial banks were flat from the previous week at $3.42 billion, the central bank said in a statement.
"The first F-22P Frigate constructed for the Pakistan navy at the Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai was delivered to Pakistan on Thursday," said Lieutenant Commander Shakeel Ahmed.
Only in Pakistan does a warship built by for foreign country enhance Pakistan's domestic ship-building capability. The only logical explanation of the contradiction is that Pakistan has purchased China outright with payment in cold hard cash. That explains the fall in forex reserves also. AOA!"The F-22P frigates will not only enhance the war fighting potential of the Pakistan navy but will also strengthen the indigenous ship-building capability of the country," said Ahmed.
PN will have to paint it Green, this will enhance pindigenous ship buil... err painting capability.Rahul Shukla wrote: Only in Pakistan does a warship built by for foreign country enhance Pakistan's domestic ship-building capability.
Also, Pakistan is nuclear power. So all Pakistani ships operate under a nuclear power and hence are nuclear powered ships onlee.
In suicide attacks the killing of innocent people and damage to their property should be minimized. 
Lets not forget Islam is Pakistan and Pakistan is Islam . The news above is Paki core contribution to the Glory of Islam, proof of Mercy, Compassion and Egalitarianism,all for 72s.arun wrote:Hardly surprising.
In a society where adults in Government Institutions like the Army see Jihad as an useful motivational tool for fighting as evidenced by their motto “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah “, or translated “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Way of Allah”, it is but a matter of time before someone recognises the usefulness of Jihad as a motivational tool to get children to fight.:
Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy: 'Children are tools to achieve God's will,' the Taliban commander told me
Looks like young boys will not be allowed to spend the night in the common sleeping area with other men hmmm. So no repeal of 377 for Pakibans.shravan wrote:Translated excerpts from the Taliban code of conduct
Editor's note: The Taliban has released a new "code of conduct" for fighters in the field, listing what is acceptable behavior and what is not. The following are CNN translations of excerpts from the code.
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Chapter 11: Regarding prohibited things
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A male who has not yet grown a beard may not stay in a common sleeping area with other men.
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WASHINGTON: Pakistan has not provided any evidence to the United States of India's involvement in the insurgency in Balochistan, and Washington
attaches no credibility to Islamabad's charges in this regard, a top US official has indicated.
The US view on Pakistan's allegation came during a briefing by the Obama administration's Af-Pak envoy Richard Holbrooke, who, while acknowledging that Pakistan brought up the subject during his recent visit to the country, told Washington's foreign press corps, "I would be misleading if I said it didn't come up, but the narrow answer to your question (has Pakistan given you any credible evidence of India's involvement?) is no."
Holbrooke's terse response to the Balochistan wrangle -- the latest between India and Pakistan -- broadly squares with the assertion in New Delhi that while Pakistan has raised the issue of India's alleged involvement in the region, it has offered no evidence, even as it falsely propagates in the Pakistani media that it has give a dossier to New Delhi in this regard. The Pakistani press is full of dark conspiracies of Indian intelligence involvement in the province, an inference to which New Delhi credulously allowed Islamabad to incorporate in a joint statement at Sharm-el-Sheikh.
The US has now, in effect, bailed out New Delhi. Holbrooke has previously rubbished Pakistan's charges about alleged Indian provocations from its consulates in Afghanistan, saying he had no reason to believe Islamabad's charges, and Pakistan would do well to examine its own internal problems. Other officials too have said Pakistan is merely trying to externalize a serious internal crisis while evading responsibility to crack down on home-grown terrorism.
In fact, Holbrooke's briefing following his latest visit to the region was notable for its dire tone with regard to Pakistan, a country which he characterized as "facing a staggering number of front-page story problems at one time." Describing Washington's efforts to stamp out terrorists in Pakistan frontier province, Holbrooke said it "hard to imagine a more dangerous area on the face of the earth today than an area which contains al-Qaida, Pakistani Taliban, Afghan Taliban, two and a half million refugees. It's just extraordinary how difficult it is."
The US envoy also trashed speculation about a rift with India that led to the reported cancellation of his visit to New Delhi with an extraordinary revelation. "You know, if there's a rift between me and India, it would be the first rift between me and India since I was seven years old. You know, India was the first country in the world I was ever aware of. I have a very special feeling for it," Holbrooke said.
Such expression of personal affection for countries is seldom expressed by US officials and is certain to rankle Pakistan, which is already sour about a perceived American tilt towards India over the last decade. Holbrooke went on to clarify that the only reason he scrubbed the New Delhi leg of his visit was because three of the four Indian interlocutors he engaged with were all going to be out of town. He would be going back in mid August, "within the limits of Indian independence (day)."
Satya_anveshi wrote:Posted without comment. likely will get banned. This needs to be posted in the S-e-S thread also.
US bails out India from Balochistan wrangle
SBajwa wrote:Harbans ji,
Many people have asked me the same question
'you must then hate Muslims'
I reply..
"NO I do not hate muslims! I hate Islam"
very common experience... the next quechen would be...Now, who's missing here?The fixtures have been announced for the Champions League Twenty20, which will be staged in India in October. Teams from India, Australia, South Africa, West Indies, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and England will play 23 games in New Delhi, Hyderabad and Bangalore.
Ah, so massa who usually prevents a nuclear war in the subcontinent has now successfully rescued India's H&D ?Satya_anveshi wrote:Posted without comment. likely will get banned. This needs to be posted in the S-e-S thread also.
US bails out India from Balochistan wrangle
I see that Bangladeshis are missing so also the green Irish teams.anupmisra wrote:Champions League groups unveiled
Now, who's missing here?The fixtures have been announced for the Champions League Twenty20, which will be staged in India in October. Teams from India, Australia, South Africa, West Indies, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and England will play 23 games in New Delhi, Hyderabad and Bangalore.
Well, first massa twisted our dear leaders' I-dont-know-what to do a HnD harakiri at S-e-S preventing a nuclear war in the sub continent. Once that mission was accomplished, it saved India's HnD with this statement.Anujan wrote:Ah, so massa who usually prevents a nuclear war in the subcontinent has now successfully rescued India's H&D ?Satya_anveshi wrote:Posted without comment. likely will get banned. This needs to be posted in the S-e-S thread also.
US bails out India from Balochistan wrangle
You are right. The checks and balances are what that are saving India from various moles inside the polity. However, if you read the book Will The Iron Fence Save A Tree Hollowed By Termites?-defence Imperatives Beyond The Military by Arun Shourie , it is pretty clear that one day these checks and balances will whither away when the moles become kings. India is pretty close to that state is my opinion.Hari Seldon wrote: Recall from '06-'07 the stout resistance from the IA to any suggestion even of signing feel-good siachen withdrawal agreements with the PA. PMO appeared leaning towards demarcation of the LoC with the text in annexures. IA saw through the blunder and raised a ruckus, and mercifully, managed to persuade Dilli to baktrack just a wee bit. Of course, the usual face-saving spin was all over the lifafa airwaves but the essential point remains - that the security establishment does step in to check and balance the more inane and surreal proposals initiated by our top-level statesman-wannabe netaship. Or so I hope, for India's sake.
-Hari Om Hari
From all options are open to this? Can someone please explain to me the great wisdom of stating war is not an option? It was made painfully obvious after Mumbai but why the need to blurt it out and remove all doubt? Before he said all options were open when he really meant war is not an option. So does this mean all options are still open as nothing he says can really be relied upon?
This is why its very important to watch which party, politician or people are working to undermine the Constitution and various fundamental insitutions in india . Pinkoes, Commie, Sooth Asian "inte-llectuals", WKK, PSs etc are on top of the list who indulge in doing so at every chance they get. The day they successfuly insert communal angle to Security Institions, India will wither away in few decades. These elements need to be scrutnized all the time and kept under surveliance .Muppalla wrote:
You are right. The checks and balances are what that are saving India from various moles inside the polity. However, if you read the book Will The Iron Fence Save A Tree Hollowed By Termites?-defence Imperatives Beyond The Military by Arun Shourie , it is pretty clear that one day these checks and balances will whither away when the moles become kings. India is pretty close to that state is my opinion.
The Indian prime minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, proved his political stature once again while defending his “Pakistan policy” at the Lok Sabha on Wednesday, a policy that had been described by the opposition as “capitulation to an enemy” who had allowed its territory to be used for terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008. He firmly stood by the joint statement he had issued at Sharm al-Sheikh together with his Pakistani counterpart, Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani, including a reference in it to Balochistan.
Despite platitudes about Mr Singh being a “weak” prime minister, he has proved once again that he is indeed the “paradigmatic” leader after Jawaharlal Nehru. India owes its new stature in the world to him after he changed the Nehruvian model of the economy in 1991 as finance minister. He is now about to change the Indo-Pak strategic equation if the politicians on both sides care to listen to him.
We must say that many people in Pakistan have framed their view of Indo-Pak relations on cue from Mr Singh. Let us revisit this view by reproducing what he said at the Lok Sabha on Wednesday: “If we live in peace, as good neighbours do, both of us can focus our energies on the many problems — like our abject poverty — that confront millions and millions of people in South Asia. If there is cooperation between us, and not conflict, vast opportunities will open up for trade, travel and development that will create prosperity in both countries”.
He must have surprised a lot of members of the Lok Sabha when he praised the “trust” that Pakistan under President Asif Zardari had built up with him by investigating the Mumbai attacks honestly and reporting on the progress in indicting and convicting the “non-state actors” involved in the act. He claimed that this kind of “lifting of denial” by Pakistan had never happened before and that India should not fail to take note of it. He endorsed Pakistan’s approach towards India in the post-Mumbai phase, that of seeking bilateral dialogue instead of squaring off for another war.
The Indian media will probably be put off by the strong expression of conviction when he said: “As neighbours it is our obligation to keep our channels open. Look at what is happening in the world...Unless we want to go to war with Pakistan, dialogue is the only way out. But we should do so on the basis of trust-but-verify”. And the first verification came in the form of 34 pages sent to him by Islamabad giving “details of the planning and sequence of events, details of the investigations carried out by the special Federal Investigation Agency team of Pakistan, a copy of the FIR lodged and the details and photographs of the accused in custody and those declared as proclaimed offenders”.
The details mentioned by Mr Singh had been earlier revealed in a press conference in Islamabad by the interior minister, Mr Rehman Malik, before Prime Minister Gilani left for Sharm al-Sheikh. What he told the Pakistani press was more shocking to the people of Pakistan than to the people of India, about how the terrorists had been trained before being sent to Karachi and provided facilities to journey by sea to the Indian coast. This newspaper had editorially praised the decision of Mr Malik of “coming clean” and predicted its good effect on the Indian side.
The Sharm al-Sheikh meeting has been hailed as a success for Prime Minister Gilani, but the truth is that his government had paved the way for this success by announcing the truth. The result was the reference in the joint statement to Balochistan, something for which the Mr Singh is now quite prepared to take the flak. Because of the good atmospherics at Sharm al-Sheikh, another good bilateral gesture was made possible. Pakistan wisely decided not to present the intelligence dossier on Balochistan. The reference to Balochistan had done the trick. And Mr Gilani has nicely covered up by saying, “India never asked for the dossier”.
At the same time what Pakistan has done to help India in the post-Mumbai phase makes it clear that insinuations from some quarters in India about the State’s involvement were far from true. It is this kind of attitude which Mr Gilani and Mr Singh have tried to counter by showing statesmanship. The Cold Warriors in India should take heed from what Mr Singh has said. Indeed, the brave statesmanlike initiatives of the Pakistani and Indian leaders should be applauded.
Just like suddenly after hiring and renaming Palapa as Paksat made puki space program ahead of India.Rahul Shukla wrote:China delivers warship to Pakistan: Navy (AFP)
Only in Pakistan does a warship built by for foreign country enhance Pakistan's domestic ship-building capability.
What attitude? They are just applying makeup with some cheesy music as background.Acharya wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Jz5StFfrI
Paki RAPE Class .Check the attitude
Especially, this quote from Herr Musharraf (dated Jan. 2003):abhijitm wrote:Just like suddenly after hiring and renaming Palapa as Paksat made puki space program ahead of India. This is one of my favorite archives Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India
Instead of building someone else's indigenous satellite system. That three year "tryst with dust-iny has come and gone.“I am really delighted to note that Pakistan’s space programme now is a reality and our scientists must build our own indigenous satellite within three years instead of five years,”
Soon-to-be Tellibunny Fodder.Acharya wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Jz5StFfrI
Paki RAPE Class .Check the attitude