India's Sharm-el- Sheikh Harakiri...

[shiv]

I am sorry we have MMS and the congress party at the helm, who was expecting different and why!!.

Political opinion

[John Snow]

What is information?

[shiv]

What else can one expect short of a complete sell out of Indian interests by the dhimmis in power? Its MMS's second nature to sell out national interests. Cuba, and now Egypt. Not to mention the nuke deal & foreign policy.
But then again, if the people are uncomfortable with Hindutva & nationalism, what else will we get apart from dhimmi traitors.

Political opinion

[negi]

^ The chankian claim that self goal was infact a drafting error .

[shiv]

Why would MMS and that Italian not have have agreed to this? The desies for the most part (young folks) gave them a mandate that Mumbai Terror is a non issue and they could care less if Pakistan kills Indians.

But the congress party saw great victory in Sri Lanka where the Tamils are now slaves and practicaly starving to death there. So that was one major win for the Desies.

Political opinion

[shiv]

Indian Army chief to visit US next week

For what?

His discussions with the US defence officials would delve on defence cooperation including joint training and exercises, exchanges and military equipment.

So expect some more joint trainings and some hardware purchases

wtf

[shiv]

Shouldnt all this be in the whine thread?.

The first recognition of truth appears on page 2 of this thread

[John Snow]

History is a series of events commited by a political leader or a person who has a sway over large number of follwers or citizens.
Information is data with context.
Some posts of the members have tried to tie past events and precedents to say nothing in this sharam is new with a qualifier that more to come but they cant do anything. That is they cant make a difference.

[sukhdeo]

For those in BRF who are ever so fond of labelling every boneheaded and blatantly stupid move by Indian politicians as "Chankayan", how about the mother of all Chanakyan move- surrender Kashmir to Pak, while we are at it, surrender Jammu to Pak too, then allow Khalistan to come into existence, followed by administering UP and Delhi via some kind of joint control between India and Pak, by slowly rendering the border between Delhi and Noida irrelevent. Turning a blind eye to forced conversions and forcing those Hindus who resist from the North to deep south, in the interest of projecting to the world how "reasonable" and "peaceful" the Hindus are, will rival Chankya at his finest. Then host the Pak Army dictator, fawn over him, flatter him by having the Indian media glorifying his every move including how the "handsome and dashing" General strides into the Ashoka Hotel Men's room to relieve himself and break wind with his head raised high-how majestic! Then a triumphant press conference by the Indian PM announcing a joint statement to start a bus service between Delhi and Noida will be the mother of mother of all Chanakyan moves.

Take that TSP ! Take that Unkil. See if you can decipher the logic of this wily move, with all your richly funded think tanks and world class Universities (in case of Unkil). Good luck .

That'll show them

Clearly, this is not a sellout, it is, well, Chankyan

[shiv]

OT self deleted...

An excellent post immersed in a sea of non info..

[shiv]

more to come but they cant do anything. That is they cant make a difference.

Ah! wisdom.

My dog was sniffing up a lady guest's sari indecently and we had to tie him up.

Guess how he showed his sentiment that he can't do anything and can't make a difference?

He whined. And whined. And whined.

[shiv]

Indian Army chief to visit US next week

For what?

To indirectly take orders from kiyani through american army cheif.directly taking orders from kiyani will hurt india's H&D where none existed.

Lovely. Very relevant for this thread...

[shiv]

^^^
AoA negiullah,
you are truly a piradher mujahid. such concurrence of views & posts.

Hmmm

[John Snow]

If it happens in my home, I would tie up the lady in knots.
My Archie is very well behaved and moderated too!

[negi]

Actually shiv saar no point in quoting and analysing these posts you see all these were DRAFTING ERRORS...was just curious are your's too in the same category ?

[RayC]

Let's get back to the Topic and not make it shake on the whine!

Let us analyse the Joint Statement and not the whine.

[John Snow]

I am making a tacticle withdrawl (aka down hill sking as per NLI manuals and N guru definations), because this is a sniper war between erstwhile and current.. you know what I mean

[chetak]

quote="shravan"Indian Army chief to visit US next week

For what?

His discussions with the US defence officials would delve on defence cooperation including joint training and exercises, exchanges and military equipment.

So expect some more joint trainings and some hardware purchases /quote

wtf

Read between the lines saar,

Note the obfuscating diplomatic language. Our babus can be clever when they want to be. It's only in joint statements that they become fearless.


The next areas where we can expect our fearless leader and renowned economist to be economical with the truth is for sure the two agreements proposed by the US. The first is the logistics support agreement and the second is the Communication Inter-Operability and Security Memorandum of Agreement.

Both these agreements are land mines and have great potential for for being perpetual and unending headaches. The usa is squeezing the orchises hard.

The debacle of the EUMA is already playing out as expected.

Once they have us by the short and curlies, it's but a very short ride for our Armed Forces into afghanistan " where we will be fulfilling our global responsibilities as a world power".

[shiv]

PAF F-16 fighter jet crashes; pilot killed

At Sharm el sheik?

[RayC]

I am making a tacticle withdrawl (aka down hill sking as per NLI manuals and N guru definations), because this is a sniper war between erstwhile and current.. you know what I mean

Nothing to do with the erstwhile and current, you know what....

You are snowing us with the Narad muni tactics!

Quite and old fox!

That 'tacticle' for 'tactical' jolted me since I read it as you know what!

it was just that I was reminded of my boxing days. We were going into a clinch and so I just said 'break....wipe your gloves, face each other....Box!' That was all there was to it!

[shiv]

Actually shiv saar no point in quoting and analysing these posts you see all these were DRAFTING ERRORS...was just curious are your's too in the same category ?

No - on the contrary we need an entire thread to be locked and unlocked and locked and unlocked to discuss them.

[chetak]

PAF F-16 fighter jet crashes; pilot killed

At Sharm el sheik?

Hope the plane is OK

[John Snow]

thanks Ray C saar, the spinster inspired in me cant resist rising to the occasion.

[amit]

Let's assume that the joint statement with Pakistan in Egypt was a case of bad drafting, bad foreign policy, a climb down from India's "principled" stand on terror, let down for the Mumbai terror victims (BTW why only Mumbai and not all the terror victims right from the start of this century?) etc, etc.

And all this constitutes a selling of the country by a traitor masquerading as the PM??? WTF?

I know that with the economic crisis and all that land prices have gone down. But I never knew that India (and Indians) were going at such a cheap rate that one statement with a Puke leader who may be history tomorrow constituted a fire sale of the entire country, so much so that one poster is even contemplating killing himself? (Shiv ji I hope we don't need your professional services on this thread).

You guys are right a democracy gets the government it deserves. And we get this govt and MMS as the leader because we folks can pithily say the elected government in a nation of 1.3 billion where free and fair elections are held every five years comprises a bunch of traitors, just because we think they made a mistake based only on information in the public domain. We indeed deserve a government full of traitors. I'm sure we'd not settle for anything less.

Talk about self fulfilling prophecies.

Bush just about screwed up US everywhere from foreign policy to the economy. Yet even his worst critics - and god knows there are tons of US critics who'd make BRFites look like babes in the wood - have never called him a traitor.

An allegation like a traitor leveled against a leader who's elected by democratic means is not leveled lightly by mature people. Incompetent yes, but traitor? Maybe the key word is mature. Or maybe the anonymity of the Internet allows mature folks sitting in faraway lands the option of acting immature.

NB: I happy for small mercies though. No one has yet said the MMS did this "harakiri" so that he can get a World Bank job after 2014.

[RayC]

thanks Ray C saar, the spinster inspired in me cant resist rising to the occasion.

[shiv]

There is no reason why this topic should not continue to be discussed. But please lock the old thread and renew the thread. Start a a new one. We do not have to wait for 72 pages.

It looks silly to keep open a thread whose earlier pages have lost their relevance in a series of government and opposition claims and counter claims. The purpose of drawing people's attention to an egregious booboo in Egypt was served long ago. But the purpose of coherent discussion was also lost long ago on this thread.

The thread can be renewed by a few admin clicks and I really do not see the wisdom of dithering and vaccilating. Nobody is demanding that the issue should not be discussed. the demand is to bring focus.

Or maybe.. hmm let's see.

[amit]

Actually shiv saar no point in quoting and analysing these posts you see all these were DRAFTING ERRORS...was just curious are your's too in the same category ?

Negi,

Thanks to N^3 on the other whine thread on the Strat fora I discovered a new phrase which describes the wonderful show of emotions (some call it rants): Statementological Malfunction.

Otherwise how to explain the propensity to go for the T-word everytime the PM opens his mouth.

[Vikas]

Q: How do you crash a PAF Fighter Jet ?

A: By trying to actually fly it.

[archan]

On these happy notes, I lock this thread..... again!
A new one will be created and hopefully members will do better than repeating their previous posts.

[RayC]

"Balochistan issue will haunt India in near future," Sinha told the Lok Sabha.

Raising a question that why Balochistan issue was included, Sinha said now Pakistan will raise the issue constantly before the world leaders.

Slamming Pak's U-turn on Hafiz Saeed, he said that Pakistan has freed Nov 26 Mumbai attacks mastermind LeT chief on lack of evidences. Despite being tightening noose on Islamabad, government included Balochistan issue for discussion, Sinha alleged.
Describing the drafting of dossier as a sensitive issue, he said that the drafting should be done carefully. He sought reply from the External Affairs Minister that where he was when drafting was done.

Sinha fired an array of questions on Government during the debate.

He asked whether Indo-Pak relations has widened or narrowed with this step?

He also sought reply from the government saying that it was a diplomatic failure by the government and one of the biggest mistakes witnessed by the country.

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said that no such dossier on Balochistan has been received.

Balochistan issue to haunt India in future: Yashwant Sinha