Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 05 Aug 2009 10:15

Gojra attacks were pre-planned: HRCP

announcements made from mosques in Gojra on July 31 urged Muslims to gather and “make mincemeat of the Christians” over allegation of desecration of the Holy Quran a week earlier. Witnesses told HRCP that when they informed the police about the announcements, the police officials also confirmed hearing the announcements. {Strangely reminds me of "Blast was heard in P'shawar today reports police" type news}

On August 1, around 1,000 people gathered in the area and marched towards Christian Colony

So they were instigated by mosques, and around 1000 people were involved. Police "heard" it and didnt do anything. Local administration was "strangely silent". Ergo lahori logic says that it is clearly a sign that it was perpetrated by Baitullah Mehsud from tribal areas from deep inside a cave. Could not have been ordinary pakis -- they are people of biss and moderate silent majority, they couldnt have killed anyone.

Swat terrorists behind Gojra violence: Taseer

Qaeda-linked terrorists behind Gojra riots: Sana

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Aug 2009 10:51

That claim of yours is outrageous.
Ordinary pakistanis have no history of such bloodshed. On the other hand in neighbouring India, the militant Hindu organizations such as RSS, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena have a history of attacking minorities.

This is proof that RAA was involved, pakistan already has proof of uncircumcized males who were involved in this act, and the Pakistani prime minister will soon present this evidence before PM Manmohan Singh of India with detailed evidence including photographs of uncircumsized genitals shot from various angles.

Pakistanis are peace loving people, They have ruled this subcontinent for 1000 years, and even amnesty international has acknowledged their rule as having promoted human rights including rights to minorities.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 05 Aug 2009 10:51

Pranav wrote:India to seek global help to check fake note menace
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news ... 858287.cms

Vishwa Mohan, TNN 5 August 2009, 02:25am IST

india always seek help in bheek but it wont do anything on its own.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Aug 2009 10:55

What stops an IED mubarak on the printing press where the notes are being printed? This must be a separate printing press, within the campus of some madarsa.
Why isn't there a simultaneous attack on all or most such presses in pakistan?

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 05 Aug 2009 10:58

indian diplomacy of being good to everyone except for self stops IED mubaraks

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 05 Aug 2009 11:30

^^ why dont India pour billions of fake puki rs via same route !!

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 05 Aug 2009 11:46

ashish raval wrote:^^ why dont India pour billions of fake puki rs via same route !!

I think we already export toilet paper to Bakistan.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 05 Aug 2009 11:55

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8184734.stm

Pakistan 'drone raid' kills two

A missile, suspected to have been fired by a US drone, has killed at least two people in Pakistan's South Waziristan tribal district, officials say.

The missile struck the house of top Taleban commander Baitullah Mehsud's father-in-law.

Officials said the dead were the Taleban leader's relatives.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Aug 2009 11:56

X Post.

Gareth Porter on the links of the Pakistan Armed Forces and more particularly on the links of the current head of the Pakistan Army, Gen. Ahfaq Kayani’s, to terrorists:

U.S. Officials Protect Pak Military on Aid to Taliban

Analysis by Gareth Porter*

WASHINGTON, Aug 4 (IPS) - Despite evidence implicating the current Pakistani Army chief, General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, in a major military assistance program for the Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan over the past few years, senior officials of the Barack Obama administration persuaded Congress to extend military assistance to Pakistan for five years without any assurance that the Pakistani assistance to the Taliban had ended.

The historical evidence on Kayani’s past relationship to the issue suggests that he has no intention of changing Pakistani policy toward the Taliban.

Kayani himself served as head of ISI from late 2004 to late 2007 and presided over the development of a major logistical and training program for the Taliban forces operating out of Pakistan’s Baluchistan province.

The size and scope of the programme of support described in the report were hardly consistent with the idea that assistance to the Taliban is a rogue operation by ISI operatives.

Mullen and Defence Secretary Robert Gates presumably know about Kayani’s past support for the Taliban assistance program. Evidence of continuing ISI assistance to, and safe have for, Taliban forces after Kayani replaced Musharraf as the top Army general was compiled in an intelligence assessment circulated to the top national security officials of the George W. Bush administration in mid-2008, according by David Sanger’s book "The Inheritance."

Kayani was also overheard in a conversation intercepted by U.S. intelligence referring to a high-ranking Taliban leader, Maulavi Jalaluddin Haqqani, as a "strategic asset," according to Sanger’s account. Haqqani was a Taliban minister during that organisation’s brief period in power during the late 1990s, and his network has been a key target for the U.S. campaign of drone strikes in Pakistan during 2008 and 2009.

From here:

Inter Press Service News Agency

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 05 Aug 2009 11:59

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... dies-ha-03

Pakistan Air Force plane crashes near Attock, pilot dies

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 05 Aug 2009 12:23

Offcourse even if the plane was an F-16, it will be converted into a F-7 or an A-5 after the crash.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Aug 2009 13:16

Two things are evident in Pak,one that the US is as predicted,here to stay for as long as it can defend itself.The "surge" in US diplomatic staff,with most of them part of the covert and overt US security/intel appratus,indicates that the US has decided to "rule" Pak,as its rulers cannot handle the country themselves and the outsourcing of this rule has been tacitly agreed to by the Pakistani military and political elite.The US game of hardball is that if they don't get their way,they will withdraw all eco and military aid and Pak will collapse,with the US threatening to make Pak's nukes "inoperable".

US aid will keep it afloat and a combination of US and Chinese military aid will keep it going as a permament nuisance to India.The management of Islamist terrorists to keep hitting us from across the border,is the only matter of debate and dispute between the Pakis and the Americans.The idea is to pursue and prosecute only those terrorists who do not obey US diktat.The US are not bothered about cross-border terrorism into India as long as India does not upset the aplecart and go to war with Pak.That would defeat their purposes of ruling the Indian sub-continent by stealth,having two vassal entitites in in place.Our ex-World Bank rabbit is "your obediently" already to the US.It just needs to bring under control the messy lot across the border.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 05 Aug 2009 13:18

ashish raval wrote:^^ why dont India pour billions of fake puki rs via same route !!

value of pak currency is in trash.it cost more to print trash.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 05 Aug 2009 13:18

Aditya_V wrote:Offcourse even if the plane was an F-16, it will be converted into a F-7 or an A-5 after the crash.

You are right. Here is the latest from Pakistan Defence Forum

Islamabad - A Pakistan Air Force jet fighter crashed Wednesday near the north-western town of Attock, killing the pilot, the military said.

The Chinese-built F-7 aircraft was on a routine training mission when it went down in a field after apparently suffering a technical failure, air force spokesman Air Commodore Tariq Yazdani said.

Aircraft Crashes

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 05 Aug 2009 13:23

Mehsud's wifey and fil entered jannat last night

The wife and father-in-law of the leader of the Pakistani Taliban have reportedly been killed in an air raid in Pakistan's South Waziristan region.

some surge in IED mubaraks, maybe.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 05 Aug 2009 13:29

'Taller than Himalayas' friend lets Pakistan down

China shelves refinery project at Gwadar
ISLAMABAD (August 05 2009): Pakistan has to face another setback in attracting foreign investment as China has shelved the Coastal Oil Refinery Project at Gwadar in strategically located Balochistan province, and has deleted it from the list of Financial Development Programme 2009-10 agreed between the two countries.
...

Refinery Project at Gwadar

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Aug 2009 13:57

Rishi wrote: Pakistan Air Force plane crashes near Attock, pilot dies

tsk tsk. I hope the black box survived. But if it was a Chinese F-7 the black box would be made of plastic and have some cheap sound generating chip in it.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 05 Aug 2009 14:13

kuffr Yindoo predicting disintegration of the land of the pure and formation of Akhand Bharat, all while studying at M.I.T

2022 AD: India and Pakistan

However, even with sincere hopes, all this is unlikely to happen. Pakistan will continue to descend into a hyper-Talibanized jihadi vortex throughout the 2010s as minority independence struggles will reach a crescendo. By 2022, Pakistan will be imploding. Its nuclear assets are likely to fall in the hands of jihadis, who will use them to threaten India’s infrastructure and energy supplies from the Middle East and central Asia and eventually, through some miscalculation, launch them to penetrate Indian and possibly Israeli missile-shields, drawing in a massive Indo-American invasion.

The ensuing war will assuredly be traumatic for Indian aubcontinent. India, due to its enormous population and strategic depth will be able to absorb the after-effects of this war, which might include a limited nuclear exchange. Pakistan will dissolve into separate ethnically homogenous nations and by 2030 it is likely that there will be some strategic security, energy and economic partnership agreement between India and the southern provinces of Sindh and Balochistan. North Pakistan might continue as the successor state, but it will be difficult to prevent the ethnic domino effect in Southern Central Asia. Pashtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan might merge by erasing the British era Durand line to form Pashtunistan, while Uzbek and Tajik areas of Afghanistan will merge with their ethno-linguistic cousins in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. It is difficult to predict the extent of Chinese involvement in this saga, but it will not be insignificant. Russia would probably have minimal involvement.

By 2040, after a transformative reformation of entire power structure in former Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan will formally merge into a United States of India. This union might eventually include Nepal, Sri Lanka, possibly Pashtunistan and other minor political entities. It is difficult to say if Punjab and Bengal will merge just as Germany did and Korea will, but if they do, the Hindi speaking states will also merge to contain any centrifugal tendencies. Hindi, Bengali and Punjabi in that order will be the three most spoken languages in a united India.

By 2050, the USI with its 2.3 billion inhabitants, one fourth of planet’s population, will emerge as the dominant economic, technological, political and cultural power in Eurasia and hence the world. To prevent hyper centralization of power, regional ambitions and colonial parasitism, the federal power structure of the USI will be vested with minimal powers, which will include armed forces, foreign policy, minimal federal taxation, and perhaps a single currency. All other powers will be vested in the various ethno-linguistic provinces, which will chart their own independent course commensurate with their temperament and talents. There will be a high degree of individual freedom. While English might remain the official language, India might see an unexpected and unprecedented revival of ancient Sanskrit language.

realist me - errr ummm hmmm!!

jingo me - rejoicing

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Aug 2009 14:18

Hiten wrote:Mehsud's wifey and fil entered jannat last night

The wife and father-in-law of the leader of the Pakistani Taliban have reportedly been killed in an air raid in Pakistan's South Waziristan region.
some surge in IED mubaraks, maybe.

Only in an independent Pushtunistan would the wives and children of Pushtun be safe.

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. END PAKISTAN.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Aug 2009 14:46

Headlines Today reporting "Tough talk by Phak-i-stan: No talks without Kashmir".

Great. India says "No talks without action against terror".

So the only common ground that I see is "No talks".

I think the S-e-S capitulation has finally come full circle with TSP shooting itself in the foot. Even MMS can now no longer talk to TSP. That takes some doing - forcing the impatience of even a Gandhian/pacifist such as our honorable PM.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 05 Aug 2009 14:55

It was coming to my mind immediately after SeS that Pukistan cannot hold itself away from creating some or the other messup (it will take a few months for something to happen to prompt a backtracking by MMS). However, US will always nudge India to refrain from full reversal from SeS script. Expect something in a day or two from US (will it be Bill flying into Delhi with a verbal message from O

)
Now, that we have one major event of this nature, we'll see some more pressure from US and another meeting by the end of the year to reiterate the equal-equal. The show will go on till Paki establishment is intact in this or similar form.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 05 Aug 2009 19:28

UN 'to contact Musharraf' in Bhutto murder probe
Lagta hai Gola ko goli lagne wala hai.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2009 20:43

Hope its a lampost for the murders of the Kargil soldiers for as COAS he was ultimately resposnible.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 05 Aug 2009 21:34

On the top right side of the webpage of a baki news channel jeotv, saw a ad of famous matrimonial serivce from india. I was just wondering why the heck did they have to put a ad to reach pureland's audience when i remembered something that i saw few weeks back. TOI in its sunday edition had also hosted Ads which were by TFTA bakistani wanabe brides looking for grooms in India. The only conclusion one draws is that rats are jumping from a sinking rickety ship and trying their luck on a cruise liner. If this trickle turns into a flow we may soon see at our work places tribes from peshawar , bajaur , waziristan not to mention pakjab.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Aug 2009 21:50

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3919

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 05 Aug 2009 21:51

India should give assylum to Gen Mushy right now.
It helps to save him, I wish some on instigates Kul Bhrasht Nayyar to take it up with his buddy MMS.
If it happens it will be a rfeal coup

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2009 21:54

He was already offered that in KSA and might be lodged in the Badmash facility vacated so recently. An odd thing is KSA offers facilities to TSP leaders in the chain of command: Badmash and now Mushy. So who else is there?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Aug 2009 21:58

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3919

The US born millionaire's son is believed to have joined with Jihadists (who were connected to either Jaish Mohammed or Lashkar e Taiba), and died while carrying out an attack in Afghanistan.

"His eldest son was killed in Afghanistan in 1992: Imran, a 19-year-old college student born and raised in America, was drawn there by romantic notions of the fight against the Russians (and by that time, the regime they backed), says Kathwari. Imran went despite the family's opposition. He died in a mortar attack, in one of the last battles for the capital, Kabul. "My son is lying in rubble in Afghanistan," Kathwari says.http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... 754076.htm

One blogger blamed Farooq Kathwari for his son's decision to leave America and wage Jihad:

"...Farouq Kathwari Pres. of Danbury based Ethan Allan Corp. also did
something equally stupid in filling his son's head usual Islamic nonsense. As a
result he too took leave from Harvard Medical School to go fight in
Kashmir. He did not know any Urdu or anything else about the conflict
except that it was a fight between good and evil. Good meaning of
course Islam and Hindu were no doubt the evil.

On an excursion in Kashmir his group saw an Indian military truck and decided to engage it by opening fire. The Indian soldiers returned fire and a shell fragment from a grenade severed an artery causing him to bleed to death. His comrades left his body on the scene for the Indian soldiers to find, where upon they found documents revealing his identity. American Embassy was informed which arranged his body to be send back to Connecticut.

archan · Post by **archan** » 05 Aug 2009 22:06

Good thing that the Indians don't indulge in hanging deat terrorists from trees or on town squares with notes/threats like the paki army has recently been doing. At least the American family got the body back.
To an impartial viewer, it would seem that Muslims have been misusing Islam more than any one else.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Aug 2009 22:30

In marriages between people from two different countries, usually the couple has a choice to reside in the country of choice. That is the general rule. There may be exceptions like say in Japan, Arab countries, etc. So if an Indian citizen marries a foreigner, the foreigner can join his or her spouse in India.

Secondly in a liberal democracy like India, there can also be no discrimination on basis of gender. So regardless of whether an Indian man marries a foreigner or an Indian woman marries a foreigner, India would have to let the foreigner in, if he is not some kind of criminal that is.

Now if many Indian men or women start marrying Pakistani women and men, and those Pakistani folks want to move to India, then on what grounds is India going to reject them?

My solution would be the following -

India should enter into an agreement with Pakistan and Bangladesh regarding cross-border marriages.

Whenever a cross-border marriage takes place, the couple can apply for residence permit in India. The Indian Marriage Bureau tosses a coin. If the couple get lucky their residence will be accepted in India. If not, the other country, Pakistan or Bangladesh should accept the couple. That means the Indian citizen, man or woman, would have to move to the other country.

Statistically that would divide all cross-border couples between India and the other two.

No one who already has taken part in the 'Lottery' can take part again with another spouse.

JMTs

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2009 22:39

Acharya wrote:http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3919

The US born millionaire's son is believed to have joined with Jihadists (who were connected to either Jaish Mohammed or Lashkar e Taiba), and died while carrying out an attack in Afghanistan.

"His eldest son was killed in Afghanistan in 1992: Imran, a 19-year-old college student born and raised in America, was drawn there by romantic notions of the fight against the Russians (and by that time, the regime they backed), says Kathwari. Imran went despite the family's opposition. He died in a mortar attack, in one of the last battles for the capital, Kabul. "My son is lying in rubble in Afghanistan," Kathwari says.http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... 754076.htm

One blogger blamed Farooq Kathwari for his son's decision to leave America and wage Jihad:

"...Farouq Kathwari Pres. of Danbury based Ethan Allan Corp. also did
something equally stupid in filling his son's head usual Islamic nonsense. As a
result he too took leave from Harvard Medical School to go fight in
Kashmir. He did not know any Urdu or anything else about the conflict
except that it was a fight between good and evil. Good meaning of
course Islam and Hindu were no doubt the evil.

On an excursion in Kashmir his group saw an Indian military truck and decided to engage it by opening fire. The Indian soldiers returned fire and a shell fragment from a grenade severed an artery causing him to bleed to death. His comrades left his body on the scene for the Indian soldiers to find, where upon they found documents revealing his identity. American Embassy was informed which arranged his body to be send back to Connecticut.

So total liar! He says the boy died in Afghanistan when the reality is he died in Kashmir as a jihadi terrorist. No wonder he funds the Kashmir Study Group in DC with Fai as the head.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Aug 2009 22:40

Arunkumar wrote:On the top right side of the webpage of a baki news channel jeotv, saw a ad of famous matrimonial serivce from india.

You must be logging in from India. These days, websites trace your IP address and give you local ads. On my browser, I get the ads from the area/country I log on to. Each time it is different for a different country.

Mushy had mentioned during Agra, that if he aggreed to what Vajpayee was proposing, he might as well stay back at nagar wali haveli. We all watched with a mixture of amusement and disgust at the act that Mushy and his accompanying paki journalists pulled off in India. Anyone remembers shrileen on Undy TeeVee, shrieking and arguing like she was in a Galli-mohalla cat fight with her padosan.

saip · Post by **saip** » 05 Aug 2009 22:51

‘Blasphemy’ claims three more victims

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 009_pg1_10

This really takes the cake. So an old calander was taken down and somebody shouts 'blasphemy' and the mob kills three people and burns down the factory causing a hundred or so to lose their jobs. How stupid can these people get?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Aug 2009 23:32

^^^^
WTF?...... I don't know if even Osama would be that rabid is the same situation.

Pakjabis will put Mullah Omar and his ilk to shame with such acts.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 05 Aug 2009 23:51

Pukistan bans JuD, LeT, JeM

Among the organisations included in the list of outlawed groups are JuD, LeT, JeM, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al-Akhtar Trust, Al-Rasheed Trust, Tehreek-e-Islami, Islamic Students Movement, Khair-un-Nisa International Trust, Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-un-Nisar, Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan.

archan · Post by **archan** » 05 Aug 2009 23:54

From the above story:

A factory owner and two others were killed along Muridke-Sheikhupura Road when factory workers attacked them for allegedly desecrating the holy Quran

What is it about the Quran that it seems to get desecrated all too often and so easily, one wonders..
Or is it the perverted desire of beating up your boss, killing him in the most inhumane manner that is being sugarcoated to avoid penalty..

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Aug 2009 00:20

shynee wrote:Pukistan bans JuD, LeT, JeM
Among the organisations included in the list of outlawed groups are JuD, LeT, JeM, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al-Akhtar Trust, Al-Rasheed Trust, Tehreek-e-Islami, Islamic Students Movement, Khair-un-Nisa International Trust, Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-un-Nisar, Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan.

Pakistan has truly sold its soul to the Kufr. Death to Pakistan!

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 06 Aug 2009 00:26

saip wrote:‘Blasphemy’ claims three more victims

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 009_pg1_10

^^^

And I wonder if any more verses of the al-kitaab were desecrated in the violence that followed the initial desecration.

If so, it seems that any subsequent desecration which occurred during the violence in response to the primary desecration was collateral damage onlee and 400% halal.

AOA, of course!

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 06 Aug 2009 00:29

Did anybody watch Real Time with Bill Maher his guest CNN foreign correspondet Michael Ware
talk about TSP Afghanistan and India's "role"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatO1aWMcto

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 06 Aug 2009 01:09

John Snow wrote:Did anybody watch Real Time with Bill Maher his guest CNN foreign correspondet Michael Ware
talk about TSP Afghanistan and India's "role"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatO1aWMcto

Well, I just clicked on that link you posted and watched and some other related links but didn't really see anything about India other than a passing remark about "paki's concern about India".

Too bad all these dipwad reporters like this assie Ware who are discovering

"pashtuns! strategic depth! pashtunwali!"

are the ones who get to frame opinion when a random person on BR knows 100000000x more.