Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Aug 2009 01:23

Pakistan bans JuD, LeT, JeM and 25 other organisations

Islamabad: The Pakistan government has banned 25 religious and other organisations, including the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashker-e-Taiba, the interior ministry said on Wednesday.

The ministry presented a list of the banned organisations in the National Assembly or lower house of parliament. It also said the Sunni Tehrik had been put on a watch list.

Among the organisations included in the list of outlawed groups are JuD, LeT, JeM, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al-Akhtar Trust, Al-Rasheed Trust, Tehreek-e-Islami, Islamic Students Movement, Khair-un-Nisa International Trust, Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-un-Nisar, Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan.

A majority of the groups have been linked to terrorist attacks and suicide bombings in Pakistan. India has blamed the JuD, LeT and JeM for several attacks on its soil, including the Mumbai attacks and the 2001 assault on the Indian parliament.

Pakistan banned the JuD after the UN Security Council declared it a front for the LeT in December last year. The LeT and JeM were banned by the country in 2002.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2009 01:28

Does a banned organization have to be banned again? Case in point JuD.
And if an outfit has changed its name should the old one be banned. Case in point LeT which became JuD!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Aug 2009 01:36

ramana wrote:Does a banned organization have to be banned again? Case in point JuD.
And if an outfit has changed its name should the old one be banned. Case in point LeT which became JuD!

I think they may have added other organizations to the list that included older entries. Reporter is sensationalizing to give more credibility to pakistan that it is taking "right" steps in the view of Indians.

Of course some of the beards (not all) will change the name of the organizations and continue. Others will continue with banned name as an attraction to get more funding.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2009 01:43

Pakistan's army: living in a state of strategic denial

By C. Uday Bhaskar,

A two-day international conference on genocide that concluded in Dhaka July 31 exhorted the UN to recognise the mass killings and rape that the Pakistan Army had unleashed in the torturous and tumultuous events that preceded the birth of Bangladesh in December 1971.

Legal experts from Germany, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Britain and Canada joined their Bangladeshi counterparts in issuing a declaration that noted: "The conference calls upon the media and the civil society at home and abroad to focus on the (1971) genocide in Bangladesh, and launch a campaign so that this is recognized in the UN as Genocide."

Furthermore, the conference urged the Bangladesh government to begin the process of trying the perpetrators as war criminals and to seek international support in this regard.

But the sad truth is that as in the past 37 years, this earnest plea is unlikely to elicit any meaningful response from the powers that be at the global table.

The US, with Richard Nixon in the White House and his ace assistant Henry Kissinger actually calling the shots in 1971, was culpable by turning a blind eye to the genocide and mass rape that enveloped then East Pakistan. To their credit, the US mission in Dhaka tried to report the carnage to the DC Beltway and the US media, including some mainstream papers reported the events as accurately as possible. But in vain. And in keeping with the dictum that major powers shape the historical narrative in a selective manner by engaging in astute exclusion, this enormity has since been successfully relegated to the distant back-burner of the global record.

Four decades later, except for the victims and their traumatized families, recall of the genocide in Bangladesh outside of that country is hazy. The Pakistan Army, which was the principal institution engaged in attacking and butchering its own citizens - albeit of Bengali ethnicity, has since sought to play down the scale of the bloodshed and rape.

The official Pakistani version refers to 26,000 killed over a year but this is at considerable variance with other estimates which range from 300,000 to a staggering three million killed and between 200,000 to 400,000 women raped.

Two other estimates are illustrative of the disparity that exists about these gory figures. "Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900" by R.J. Rummel places the deaths at 1.5 million and other literature on the subject avers that East Pakistan of 1971 ranks as having the highest concentration or density of genocide by way of the numbers killed, the time involved and the geographical area in question. Yet another book, "Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape" by Susan Brownmiller estimates that the total number of women raped by Pakistan Army personnel along with their local support base - the 'razakars' - varies from 200,000 to 400,000. The majority of them were Muslim girls and women ranging from age eight to 70 plus.

These are appalling statistics by any yardstick and in a normative context, even one death or rape of a civilian non-combatant by any uniformed person is cause for the gravest concern. Paradoxically, where death becomes macro, cerebral distortions occur easily. In keeping with the Einstein formulation that in a stellar domain mass can deform space, it may be averred that where a whole state machinery is committed to mass killing, normal morality and ethics are warped and elite responsibility evaded. Most objective genocide studies point to this pattern.

However, the purpose of this comment is not to cast aspersions on the veracity of one study or the other - more qualified voices will have to address that - but to relate the events of 1971 with the current turmoil in Pakistan.

Currently, the Pakistan Army - which in the Zia years became the defender of the Islamic faith - is caught in deep strategic denial about its murky and blood-splattered past. The empirical reality is that this institution since the first war for Kashmir in October 1947 to Kargil of May 1999 has been tasked in covert operations that have used terror stoked by religious radicalism and sectarian xenophobia against the 'adversary' - whether the much reviled Hindu Indian or the fellow Pakistani, be it the Bengali Pakistani of 1971 or the Baluchi of current times.

Like Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Grey", the institutional face of the Pakistan Army is best exemplified by the chutzpah of General Pervez Musharraf is a visage of supreme confidence - now further bolstered by the nuclear firewall. But the ugly reality is of a once proud army - its track record in World War II as part of the erstwhile British Indian Army is lustrous - that has lost its moral compass. The result has been the ignominy of killing fellow citizens on an unprecedented scale and where arch enemy India has been engaged - not being able to acknowledge the deaths of its regular troops in battle or even claim their bodies. A la Lady Macbeth, this is a stain that cannot be wiped away.

The inflexible mindset of the Pakistan Army has to be radically altered and there is no historical precedent that this will occur by consensus and deep introspection. The military acquires its legitimacy to use proportionate force for a larger national objective from adherence to the rule of law and a distilled code of professional conduct. But when the deviant becomes the norm, the correlation between principle and power is subverted.

The Pakistan Army is caught in an inflexible mode of strategic denial about its past, which is why it appears both unable and unwilling to deal with its present internal security challenges. This is the 'truth' that President Asif Ali Zardari has been trying to reveal - but with limited success. The reverberations of the Dhaka genocide conference must be picked up by Pakistan's accomplished intellectuals - both in the media and academia - and a false narrative corrected. The army must finally confront its mea culpa moment through the bloody cross of East Pakistan.
--- IANS

The problem is due to Islamization under Zia and encouraged by US duringthe Afghan jihad, the professional force has become a kabila guard which usees its force on the camp residents to preven progress.
Unlike CUB I am sure that the TSPA can be made to see reason if they have the assurance that they can be re-professionalized after de-Partition. As long as TSP exists as an entity this is not possible.
And US and UK wont let TSP become de-Partitioned even if it enhances their security. And then there is PRC in the backgorund which wants to seek a sea port in Karachi.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 06 Aug 2009 01:55

UK will not be able to maintain its strategic presence much longer - it is drying off. Its USA we need to convince. We can wait until the stabilization programme in AFG turns sour and USA starts its retreat - which I guess will start after the AFG elections. Once these two's fighting spirits are sufficiently worn down, we can promise certain goodies - a shared naval base in Gwadar, and access to the KKH - perhaps sealed with a treaty of financial cooperation. Money, or rather the promise of it, can oil up a lot of clogged gears.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 06 Aug 2009 02:36

x-posting from Nukkad thread:
Lots of pakiness in here and towel throwing as well.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... knet1.html

"Dex", the leader of Pranknet is actually a guy named Tariq Malik.

But a seven-week investigation by The Smoking Gun has begun to unravel "Dex"'s organization and chronicle the sprawl of its criminality. The TSG probe has also stripped Pranknet's leader and some of his cohorts of their anonymity, which will likely come as welcome news to the numerous law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, probing the group's activities.

On July 21, a pair of TSG reporters approached "Dex"'s building at 1637 Assumption Street in Windsor, where he lives in the ground-floor 'B' apartment. Calling to his mother, who was standing near an open living room window, a reporter asked her to summon her son. The woman disappeared into "Dex"'s adjoining bedroom, where the pair could be heard whispering. Despite repeated requests to come out and speak with TSG, "Dex" hid with his mother in his bedroom, the windows of which were covered with plastic shopping bags, a towel, and one black trash bag. TFTA Paki cowering in dark places

As the sun set and his room darkened, "Dex" did not reach to turn on a light. The notorious Internet Tough Guy, who has gleefully used the telephone to cause all kinds of havoc, was now himself panicking.Herrow is about to become a zerrow He had been found. And, as a result, was barricaded in Pranknet World Headquarters with his mom, while two reporters loitered outside his window and curious neighbors wondered what was up.
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Tariq Malik, the 25-year-old founder and leader of Pranknet, decided to call the police.

It was a move that would have chagrined his devoted followers, whose "Dex" is a bombastic, sharp-tongued cop hater. On the mic, he is always ready to pulverize victims, denigrating them as weak faggots, pussies, cock gobblers, niggers, beaners, and every other racial slur imaginableTypical Pakiness here (though, notably, Malik does not take part in vicious chat room abuse directed at "Pakis,"More pakiness in action the group's catch-all term for Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants).

Cowering in his room with his mother,TFTA Paki cowering in dark places again Malik called 911 to report "suspicious persons" outside his home (it is unclear whether he used Skype to beckon cops).
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Offline friends--if they even exist--are minimal. He is part of that young male subspecies that does not have a job or a girlfriend, passed on college,Possibly because he has ayesha instead and spends hours a day playing so-called first-person shooter games like "Counter-Strike," "Halo," and "Crossfire." Malik addresses everyone--including the Pranknet audience itself--as "Dude." He steals his Wi-Fi.More pakiness on display.. And he'd certainly be living in his mother's basement if she had one.

Typically, the man associates with other low-lifes as well

• Known online as "Hempster," William Marquis, 51, lives on Gilroy Drive in the Scarborough section of Toronto, Ontario. Pranknet's second-in-command, Marquis is a felon whose rap sheep includes convictions for drunk driving (2004) and marijuana production (2005).
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Marquis was also busted in 1992 for his role in a $4 million hydroponic pot growing operation. When he appeared in an Oshawa courtroom, "a red-faced Marquis wept" during a bail hearing, according to the Toronto Star.

• Shawn Powell, known as "Slipknotpsycho," is a 24-year-old Texan on that state's sex offender registry. In May 2002, he was sentenced to 13 months in custody following his conviction on a felony charge of indecency with a minor (he admitted taking naked photos of an eight-year-old female relative). The unemployed Powell, whose rap sheet also includes a 2003 pot possession conviction, is a relative Pranknet newcomer and, as a result, apparently only the subject of one police investigation.

"Prankster" is Tyler Markle, who turns 19 later this month.
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On a recently deleted MySpace page, Markle (whose full name is James Tyler Markle) listed his body type as "6' 6" / Athletic," though that is an exaggeration, according to one source. He plays on a recreational softball team, dresses like a goth, and loves the "Twilight" series of books (his Twitter account, "3DW4RD_B3LL4," is an alphanumeric tribute to the vampire saga's main characters). Markle also happens to be a regular at the area's only gay bar, though he is not old enough to drink and lists his orientation as "Straight" on his former MySpace page. Fellow patrons would likely be interested to learn of his frequent homophobic rants while on the Pranknet mic, not to mention his repeated threats to violate men and women with a chair leg.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 06 Aug 2009 03:04

The Ba%$#^& of UK might be Exhausted Highnessm but they continue to perpetuate all kinds of myths which suits them by writing revionist history.

Reaf the most current issue of

On the cover: An Indian cavalry unit advances across the North-West Frontier toward the Khyber Pass between India and Afghanistan, September 1922. The region is now part of Pakistan. (Photo by Topical Press Agency/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

Cover Story
Indomitable Afghanistan
By Stephen Tanner
Though a tribal-based society, divided as much by ethnicity as by rugged geography, Afghanistan remains a formidable foe to outsiders

from comments (1 so far)

In the article Indomitable Afghanistan the author states, “. . . failed would-be conquerors have included Alexander the Great, . . .” however my understanding is that Alexander the Great did in fact conqueror Afghanistan. Although it did take him three years to do it, and although it did require a considerable portion of his small army to garrison it after he moved on to India, he left a stable province, through which he received reinforcements, and communications while he was in India. Almost alone among his conquered provinces Afghanistan never rose in revolt while he was alive. True by marrying the fabled Roxanne Alexander in effect allied himself with a local power, but it was one he had first defeated.
Thus, I think it would be much more accurate to state that Alexander stands alone as a success as a conqueror of Afghanistan. Other than this not at all small quibble I throughly enjoyed the extremely well written, and very topical article.

By john harrison on Jul 13, 2009 at 12:45 pm

The author is british, I read the article, he completely omitted the fact that Maharaja Ranjit Singh conquered the Afghans and subjugated them.

I hope our resident BRF Sikh historian ( I forget his name, pardon me for that) should post a strong rejoinder correcting the author.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 06 Aug 2009 03:11

Legal experts from Germany, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Britain and Canada joined their Bangladeshi counterparts in issuing a declaration that noted: "The conference calls upon the media and the civil society at home and abroad to focus on the (1971) genocide in Bangladesh, and launch a campaign so that this is recognized in the UN as Genocide."

Kong Hong? Is this a sick joke?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 06 Aug 2009 03:20

John Snowji,
regarding AFG, why miss all the Turks and the Mongols? Any conqueror who like Alex rounds up Afghans in their hill-top fastnesses, and does not give up until all the fighting portion of those holed up are systematically liquidated - succeeds. It was always literally about selective genocide - those who did, succeeded.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2009 04:16

Hail the Chief .. umm Massa
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... mission-FO
Cavalry about to arrive.

1,000 US Marines to guard Islamabad mission: FO ( lets hope Pee-shower Brigade is separate)
By: Zamir Sheikh
KARACHI - Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit Khan has said that 1,000 US Marines who will be coming to Pakistan will be deployed at US Mission in Islamabad.
He said that there was no restriction on the number of personnel that a foreign mission could station at its mission but it is done through mutual understanding.
The FO Spokesman stated this at Karachi Press Club on Wednesday while replying to a query relating to increase in the strength of the US personnel at Islamabad’s mission. This is perhaps for the first time that a foreign office official has visited

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 06 Aug 2009 04:17

'Independent Kashmir' will ensure peace in South Asia: Pak

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Nearly three weeks after the Indo-Pak joint statement in Sharm-el-Sheikh, Pakistan insisted on Wednesday that there was no change in its foreign policy and raked up its demand for an "independent Kashmir" for "long-lasting" peace in South Asia.
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Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2009 04:22

Making the impossible possible
Kamla Haat
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=191699

In other spheres of life too we need action. The private television channels have played a part in generating more debate and more open discussion on issues of religion. Such discussions must be encouraged, so that we can regain the lost tolerance of the past. School textbooks too can and should be revised to achieve a similar change in thinking – to alter a situation where even in some of the most elite private schools, small children distinguish between Muslim and non-Muslim teachers.
( Saanp ke bacche Sanncp hi rahenge bhai Saab, cant grow Mangoes on Kikkar tree but thorns onlee)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2009 04:30

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg3_1
State and intolerance

The next question is: why has the state become weak? The answer should be sought in what the state has done in the last quarter of a century. The state has relied on the military strategy of using non-state actors in covert wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir. The Mujahideen were selected from the seminaries and religious parties who were made to develop their jihadi wings. This empowerment — nursing fully armed warriors within civil society — dictated the negative transformation of Pakistan as a society.

The state that promotes jihad with non-state actors will have to brace itself against change that might come from the jihadi mind. In Pakistan’s case, the state reacted “homoeopathically”; it changed itself through laws that appeased the new tough approach to matters of religion. The blasphemy law was enforced in violation of all norms of law-making. Section 295-C says: “Use of derogatory remarks, etc; in respect of the Holy Prophet. Whoever by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)...” About the Holy Quran, Section 295-B says: “Defiling, etc, of copy of Holy Quran. Whoever wilfully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable for imprisonment for life”.

The laws are phrased in anger, not in moderation, which is the meaning of justice (adl) in Islam.

Some years ago, an angry sitting judge of the Lahore High court spoke out at a public function and said that Muslims should kill a blasphemer on sight and not go to the court of law. Pushed by the ( Man knows his Islam and a true follower and Judge)ulema empowered in varying degrees by jihad, the laws were kept on the statute book despite clear defects

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Aug 2009 05:02

RaviBg wrote:'Independent Kashmir' will ensure peace in South Asia: Pak

Big deal. Five smaller independent nanha-paks will ensure peace in the world!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Aug 2009 05:18

Today, I too am a minority ---- Nadeem F. Paracha

The same is the case during communal violence in India. Paid thugs and storm-troopers of fundamentalist Hindu groups are usually joined by hoards of common Hindus whose hatred towards the Muslims has more to do with poisoned religious delusions rather than the political and economic reasons and agendas that their more wily Hindu fundamentalist leaders and thugs harbor.

equal-equal ..... Paki will always bring up India to compare.....why not compare themselves to Saudi Arabia for once? why choose kafirs?? why why why??

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 06 Aug 2009 05:45

Because deep down inside paki psyche they know they are part of India & will be part bharat mata 10-15years down the line.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Aug 2009 07:05

sanjaykumar wrote:Legal experts from Germany, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Britain and Canada joined their Bangladeshi counterparts in issuing a declaration that noted: "The conference calls upon the media and the civil society at home and abroad to focus on the (1971) genocide in Bangladesh, and launch a campaign so that this is recognized in the UN as Genocide."

Kong Hong? Is this a sick joke?

wiki: Government of Hong Kong

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Aug 2009 07:14

Chemical terror: [AK Antony puts] India on alert

Imagine the destruction if chemical weapons were released in a crowded mall, a Metro train, a bus or a subway – nerve agents, vesicants, cyanide – vapour or liquid. No blast, no explosion, yet hundreds would be killed and thousands impacted for years.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony has warned of terrorists increasingly getting more desperate, aggressive and acquiring new technology.

Is this real intell or DDM sensationalizing? Either way, chem weapon use is way beyond the war threshold. No 'non-state actor' BS can hold back even an MMS from holding back Pak's accumulated bad karma reaching its just conclusion.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2009 07:16

shynee wrote:Pukistan bans JuD, LeT, JeM
Among the organisations included in the list of outlawed groups are JuD, LeT, JeM, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al-Akhtar Trust, Al-Rasheed Trust, Tehreek-e-Islami, Islamic Students Movement, Khair-un-Nisa International Trust, Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-un-Nisar, Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan.

Huh???

From 2002:
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullst ... ewsid=6422

Pakistan bans Jaish and Lashkar

Reuters
Posted online: Saturday, January 12, 2002 at 2053 hours IST
Updated: , hours IST

Islamabad, January 12: In televised address to the nation, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said on Saturday he would ban the two pro-Kashmiri groups accused of the attack on Parliament and three sectarian groups.
Advertisement India has accused the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba of the attack on its Parliament in New Delhi on December 13 that killed 14 people

And from 2008

Link

Pakistan has banned a well-known Islamic charity implicated in the Mumbai terrorist attacks. Pakistan's prime minister announced the move after meeting with U.S. Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte.

Pakistani officials say they have ordered provincial officials to begin closing down Jamaat ud Dawa offices and facilities

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Aug 2009 07:25

1000 marines!...even the ex-US consulate in mogadishu cant have used such a number

most consulates have barely a dozen imo.

they will probably bring in a fleet of hummers, Bradley-2, M1A1HA tanks, Humraams,
AH1Z gunships, SH60s.....welcome to the new model "green zone"

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Aug 2009 07:27

Satya_anveshi wrote:Pakistan bans JuD, LeT, JeM and 25 other organisations

Islamabad: The Pakistan government has banned 25 religious and other organisations, including the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashker-e-Taiba, the interior ministry said on Wednesday. .....................

Among the organisations included in the list of outlawed groups are JuD, LeT, JeM, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariah Muahammadi, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al-Akhtar Trust, Al-Rasheed Trust, Tehreek-e-Islami, Islamic Students Movement, Khair-un-Nisa International Trust, Islami Tehreek-e-Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-un-Nisar, Khadam Islam and Millat-e-Islamia Pakistan. .................

I do not see the Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation on the list.

That is reportedly the new name under which the Jamaat-ud-Dawa terrorist group is operating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan according to this May 2009 article from Time Magazine:

Terrorism-Linked Charity Finds New Life Amid Pakistan Refugee Crisis

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Aug 2009 07:31

Singha wrote:1000 marines!...even the ex-US consulate in mogadishu cant have used such a number most consulates have barely a dozen imo.

they will probably bring in a fleet of hummers, Bradley-2, M1A1HA tanks, Humraams,
AH1Z gunships, SH60s.....welcome to the new model "green zone"

They can build a small landing strip too:

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&cl ... 932&li=lmd

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Aug 2009 07:50

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is in the middle of a major energy crisis.

Following months of nationwide electricity outages, Karachi Airport now runs out of jet fuel and airliners have been asked to arrive with sufficient jet fuel for their return

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Wonder what the fuel status of the Pakistan Air Force is

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CAA halts fuel supply to int'l airlines

Published: August 06, 2009

KARACHI - The fuel supply to the International Airlines was halted at the airport on Wednesday. Through a circular, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) had asked the Airlines to come with sufficient fuel, said the spokesman of CAA. ……………….

The Nation

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 06 Aug 2009 08:11

they are expecting massive retaliation by Baitulla, he lost one of his beloved Wife and more importantly Mother in Law

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Aug 2009 08:13

arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is in the middle of a major energy crisis.

Following months of nationwide electricity outages, Karachi Airport now runs out of jet fuel and airliners have been asked to arrive with sufficient jet fuel for their return .

Jet fuel supply suspended at Karachi airport

Pakistan State Oil (PSO) has said the supply of JP-1 fuel will resume from National Refinery in a day or two.
PSO will stop export of jet fuel to ensure its supply to the domestic airliners.

Ah

let us see if KSA and its brethren come to the rescue.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 06 Aug 2009 08:44

Anti-Christian Riots in Gojra Due to Koran-ripping Charge

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2009 08:48

Prem wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg3_1
State and intolerance

The next question is: why has the state become weak?

There is a pathetic sequence of events here that need to be unravelled. The explanation is not one that can be understood in a jiffy.

The Pakistani state and the Pakistani army decided that the Army was the strongest protector of the state. Post independence Pakistan was an unstable state in which civilian rule was not working

From the 1950s and 1960s when the Pakistan army first came into power the army indulged in military adventurism against India as a ploy to unite the country on the basis of a "Muslim nation fighting a Hindu enemy" with the "freedom" of Muslim Kashmiris being the foremost duty of every Pakistani.

By 1971 - when the Pakistan army faced its worst defeat, the army too had become weak by frittering itself away. Bhutto and Zia after this tried to revive "Islamic Pakistan" by another adventure - subordinating the Pakistan army to the US for a cold war campaign against the Soviets in Afghanistan. With US help the "Islamic armies" succeeded against the Soviet Union.

But the Generals of the Pakistan army had to do no fighting and they got rich and fat and thought that their proxies would will all wars for them. Over the ensuing decade, the same proxies - the Islamic Mujahideen from Pakistan were unable to bring down India even as they tried to take on the US itself (after 9/11)

What was ignored by the fat, rich Pakistani army generals was that the Mujahiddeen depended on them and they in turn depended on the US. With loss of US support, the Pakistani army, already weak after 1971 only became less influential. They tried to change this by depending more heavily on proxies and as the proxies became stronger the governing army was too weak to resist the changes demanded by the Islamic armies in terms of Pakistan laws and civil society.

Pakistan today reflects this. A weak polity and a weak army with a bunch of Islamic mullahs and warlords who are powerful relative to the army, but who are unable to defeat either India or NATO.

In the middle of all this, the weak Pakistani army clutches a bunch of nukes that are of no use against Islamic warlords. The Pakistani army is reserving the nukes for India, while the Islamic warlords would like nukes for other enemies as well - such as the US.

The US is funding the reluctant and weak mercenary Pakistan army to fight the Islamic warlords in a "catch 22" grip. If the Pakistan army does not fight the Islamic warlords they do not get funds. But by fighting the islamic warlords the Pakistan army makes itself more weak. That basically leaves Pakistan with no single powerful central government. That is a great time for insurgencies and fissiparous tendencies to rise up and show themselves.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Aug 2009 09:04

Another ‘blasphemy’ case

LAHORE: An angry mob attacked the house of a 60-year-old woman in Sanghar district in Sindh in another alleged incident of desecration of the holy Quran, a private TV channel reported late on Wednesday. Following the attack, the police shifted the woman, Akhtari Malkani, to the police station from a katchi abadi area in the district. The District Bar Association officials assured the mob that a case would be registered against the woman if she was found guilty. Despite assurance from the lawyers and police, the people demanded that the woman should be handed over to them and pelted stones at the police station building and burned tyres on road.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Aug 2009 09:48

Not sure if this was posted before...

All_h ke naam pe hamen $2.5B dedo baba

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2009 09:54

ALERT: A Senior Pakistani Politician In Govt. Caught On Tape Endorsing Breakup Of Balochistan!

ALERT: A Pakistani Government Official Caught Telling Brahamdagh Bugti: 'Declare Balochistan Independence While You Still Have A Chance'

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2009 10:17

shiv wrote:
Prem wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg3_1
State and intolerance

There is a pathetic sequence of events here that need to be unravelled. The explanation is not one that can be understood in a jiffy.

The US is funding the reluctant and weak mercenary Pakistan army to fight the Islamic warlords in a "catch 22" grip. If the Pakistan army does not fight the Islamic warlords they do not get funds. But by fighting the islamic warlords the Pakistan army makes itself more weak. That basically leaves Pakistan with no single powerful central government. That is a great time for insurgencies and fissiparous tendencies to rise up and show themselves.

Shiv Sir
In Pujnabi piskology, the above wise observation about PA situation is decribed as getting Raped while tied to a thick thorny bush thus
Every move cause pain from both direction.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2009 10:20

Acharya San
I heard 11 Aug will be the auspicious day for declaring independence for Baluchistan. Its rumored that India,Oman , Afghanistan, Russia and Iran,Iraq will immediately recognized the new country and UK and US will follow within few weeks. Paki are gonna be inrude surprise as initial finnacning for infrastructure will be done by Saudi Royal family to keep Persian off balance.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2009 10:32

Not yet.
Eclipse is Aug 5

Check this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIUmAI6ag4U

Ahmed Quraishi argues with Dr. Danish from ARY News that Pakistan needs to exercise arrogance that should come naturally to a nuclear and military power. He blames politicians for surrendering national pride. This is part of an effort to penetrate the thick smoke of propaganda that our American ally is spreading about Pakistani nuclear capability globally.

http://www.youtube.com/user/paknationalists

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2009 10:44

So US embassy compound is also a US Marines base with 1000 troops. Normally its about 10-20 marines. The large number is to secure the nukes in case of a jihadi takeover.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 06 Aug 2009 10:50

The Karachi Airport running on empty fuel is a good indicator that TSP might start a war with India and or martial law is about to happen.

Thousand marines is also a omen ( not the country

) in the direction of big thing, August is auspicious for independence declarations....

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Aug 2009 10:52

hmmm.... Kiyani has been briefed for sure as to why the marines are present.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Aug 2009 10:55

If they knew why Iraq was attacked then they would have been saved from this mess...

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 06 Aug 2009 10:59

I think Kaya Kiya nahi was ordered to unroll the red carpet for the Marines...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Aug 2009 11:41

I fully expect Sri Gilani to announce the awarding of the nishan-e-TSP (or is it the nazariya -e-tsp?) to Sri MMS. My only concern is that Sri MMS might actually end up accepting the 'award'!

Hopefully, there won't be any joint inhalations/declarations at the ceremony. Meanwhile, br will somehow or the other manage to come up appropriate chankian interpretations after the fact....

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 06 Aug 2009 11:45

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/au ... e-pakistan

The ISI, Pakistan's notorious and feared spy agency, comes in from the cold

In its own land the agency is viewed with awe and dread. Now it is opening up – a little – to western journalists

Declan Walsh, Islamabad guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 August 2009 19.00 BST

...Now, though, the ISI is coming in from the cold. Over the past year the agency has invited a stream of western journalists into its swish, modern nerve centre. Over tea and PowerPoint briefings , spies give details of some of Pakistan's most sensitive issues – the Taliban insurgency, the hunt for al-Qaida, the troubled relationship with India.
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