Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 06 Aug 2009 11:58

Acharya wrote:Not yet.
Eclipse is Aug 5

Check this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIUmAI6ag4U

Ahmed Quraishi argues with Dr. Danish from ARY News that Pakistan needs to exercise arrogance that should come naturally to a nuclear and military power. He blames politicians for surrendering national pride. This is part of an effort to penetrate the thick smoke of propaganda that our American ally is spreading about Pakistani nuclear capability globally.
http://www.youtube.com/user/paknationalists

From the profile of the user called paknationalists.

PakNationalists is a meeting point of Pakistani nationalists. We come from all backgrounds. We are proud of the great history of all Pakistanis, a people extracted from the great cultures of the Turks, Persians, Arabs and Aryans.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Aug 2009 12:25

^^^
Pakjabis are superior to Nazis.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 06 Aug 2009 12:25

News ticker at hindustantimes.com says:
Pakistan checking reports on Baitullah Mehsud's death

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 06 Aug 2009 12:30

Acharya wrote:ALERT: A Senior Pakistani Politician In Govt. Caught On Tape Endorsing Breakup Of Balochistan!

Ahmed qureshi is another idiotic joker like zahid hamid he dont deserve place here he be good for bennis thread.if u see the indian weapons found in swat on his site they all look like ww-2 weapons.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 06 Aug 2009 12:47

NRao wrote:Terrorists may be using Pak sats to plot against India

I call BS on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuraya#Satellites

Thuraya phones use Thuraya satellites. How the hell can they use paki satellites.

The deception game, spoofing in intelligence parlance, involves setting up transmitters near the terrorist bases to block the signals from Thuraya sets which can help pinpoint location of the users. The transmitters cannot be set up or remain hidden to Pakistan's own agencies.

So paki transmitters are blocking the signals from the terrorists' thuraya sets?

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 06 Aug 2009 12:49

Pakistan prepares for influx of Taliban

Isambard Wilkinson, Foreign Correspondent

ISLAMABAD // Pakistan fears an influx of American troops into southern Afghanistan will drive Taliban militants across the border into its own troubled Baluchistan province.

Last month, the US sent several thousands troops into Helmand province in an attempt to quash the Taliban influence ahead of Afghan elections later this month.

But Pakistani intelligence officials say they are concerned that militants may be forced over the border and regroup with the Taliban’s main council, or the Quetta Shura, which is believed by both Pakistani and US officials to be based in Baluchistan.

Pakistan has deployed forces including more than 2,000 regular troops to its over 200km-long border along Afghanistan’s Helmand province and allowed Nato military observers to monitor its efforts to seal the border.

Major Gen Saleem Nawaz, the inspector general of the Frontier Corps, said this was not the first time US operations across the border had caused some concern in Pakistan. “Rather operations of foreign forces have been conducted in the past and Pakistani forces have been alert on the Pak-Afghan border vis-a-vis terrorists,” he said.

He confirmed there had been no arrests of cross-border militants so far.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2009 13:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9fW9jPnjgE
Nov 2001
Why do so many Muslims hate the United States? What has America done to alienate so many people in the Muslim world? These are the questions that former Pakistani cricketer turned politician, Imran Khan, tries to answer in this latest offering of the Unreported World series.

At Islamabad's Women's College, a concert for peace is taking Place. The students are mainly from privileged, middle-class backgrounds. If you were looking for Muslims that sympathised with the West, this would be the first Place you would go. But even here, amongst the more liberal, "Westernised" Pakistanis, anti-American feeling is riding high.

"It's as if one white life was far more important than thousands of black or brown lives," comments one young, educated, middle-class woman. "They feel they can basically come in, use as they please, and then, when they want, they can just walk across the border, go somewhere else, and do exactly as they please there," complains another.

The underlying feeling here is clearly that the US only cares or acts when its own people are at risk. If these liberal, cosmopolitan women feel this way about America, how must those who do not benefit from the Western way of life feel?
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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2009 13:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAg3XUJsjk

Zia barking in the 80s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvSLP8gtk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udIvH6rYKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B1Qg0Uydqo
Documentary on the Assassination of President of Pakistan, General Muhammad Zia Ul Haq
See the photo of the US Ambassador - Mr Raphael

Actually the fact is India has around 160 million Muslims. I am a Pakistani , but fact is fact. It only proves that there are lots of Muslims in unified South Asia. All South Asian Muslims must unite and rule it again.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Aug 2009 15:06

After the indefinite adjournment of the case against Hafiz Saeed, yet another way of the Government of Pakistan saying that the Pakistani perpetrators of the Mumbai terrorist attack will not be punished. After all Pakistan can hardly be expected to arrest terrorists that have fled the Islamic Republic

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Our Prime Minister Dr. Manhohan Singh had it completely wrong when he stated in Parliament that an ant-terrorist consensus had emerged in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Global Alert To Hunt Mumbai Terror Suspects

Breaking News

10:24am UK, Thursday August 06, 2009

Pakistan has asked Interpol to issue a global alert for 13 suspects wanted for the attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai in November last year.

The alert asks for help to locate the fugitives and notify Pakistani authorities who will then issue arrest warrants and seek their extradition, an Interpol statement said. ....................

Sky News

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Aug 2009 15:21

ISI enters pipeline talks in Pakistan: UPI

A letter from the Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence agency to energy officials in Islamabad raised objections to the project, calling on the government to explore alternatives, the Pakistan Observer reports.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Aug 2009 15:38

The usual Pakistani prevarications when it comes to terrorism, on display:

Malik says JuD banned, but status still unclear

Nirupama Subramanian

It is not known if the ban is under Pakistan’s anti-terror laws

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik told Parliament on Wednesday that the Jamat-ud-Dawa ……………………. widely known as a front of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is blamed for the November 2008 Mumbai attacks, was “banned” following its designation under Security Council Resolution 1267………............

While the Pakistan government closed down several offices of the JuD following the resolution, Mr. Malik’s statement did not make clear if the group was banned under Pakistan’s anti-terror laws.

In any case, the government has not issued a notification formally banning the group.
An official source, clarifying Mr. Malik’s statement, said the JuD had only been removed from the list of registered welfare charities operating in Pakistan. …………...........

The Hindu

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Aug 2009 17:30

John Snow wrote:The Karachi Airport running on empty fuel is a good indicator that TSP might start a war with India and or martial law is about to happen.

You may be right. Jet fuel in pureland is probably being conserved for a) war in the nothwest, b) potential war with India, and/or c) pookiland running out of credits to buy jet fuel from the suppliers. Looks like someone has not being paying their bills.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 06 Aug 2009 18:21

Pakistan says Indian evidence against Saeed too weak

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan said on Thursday that evidence supplied by India failed to strengthen a case for the arrest of Hafiz Saeed, founder of a Pakistani militant group blamed for the attacks on Mumbai in November last year.

Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit will almost certainly fuel Indian concerns that Pakistan is dragging its feet over the prosecution of militants New Delhi says planned the attacks that killed 166 people between Nov. 26-29.

Indian officials, having handed over a fresh dossier last Saturday, have insisted that Pakistan has enough evidence to successfully prosecute leaders of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, including Saeed.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 06 Aug 2009 18:23

Pak govt to prosecute Musharraf for high treason: Minister

Pakistan government will prosecute former military ruler Pervez Musharraf and his collaborators for "high treason" for violating the constitution by imposing emergency in 2007.

The Parliament will pass a resolution to this effect soon, a minister has said. "The National Assembly, while passing the resolution, will also have to distinguish whether only Pervez Musharraf was responsible for committing this act of high treason or others who abetted him were also responsible," Minister of State for Law Afzal Sindhu has said.

"The federal government will act according to the findings and suggestions of the assembly," Sindhu told ‘The News’ daily. "Such a case will be filed in a sessions court in Islamabad," he said.

Mushy might have a very long Haj in KSA.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2009 18:33

Dilbu wrote:Pak govt to prosecute Musharraf for high treason: Minister
Pakistan government will prosecute former military ruler Pervez Musharraf and his collaborators for "high treason" for violating the constitution by imposing emergency in 2007.

The Parliament will pass a resolution to this effect soon, a minister has said. "The National Assembly, while passing the resolution, will also have to distinguish whether only Pervez Musharraf was responsible for committing this act of high treason or others who abetted him were also responsible," Minister of State for Law Afzal Sindhu has said.

"The federal government will act according to the findings and suggestions of the assembly," Sindhu told ‘The News’ daily. "Such a case will be filed in a sessions court in Islamabad," he said.

Mushy might have a very long Haj in KSA.

No Kament

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 06 Aug 2009 18:44

Pakistan bans 25 militant organisations

Al Qaeda, Sipah-i-Muhammad, Tehrik Nifaz-i-Fiqah Jafaria, Sipah-i-Sahaba, Jamatud Dawa, Al Akhtar Trust, Al Rasheed Trust, Tehrik-i-Islami, Jaish-i-Muhammad, Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, Islamic Students Movement, Khairun Nisa International Trust, Tehrik-i-Islam Pakistan, Tehrik Nifaz-i-Shariat Muhammadi, Lashkar-i-Taiba, Lashkar-i-Islam, Balochistan Liberation Army, Jamiat-i-Ansar, Jamiatul Furqan, Hizbut Tehrir, Khuddam-i-Islam and Millat-i-Islamia Pakistan.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Aug 2009 18:53

In the doghouse for being exposed as being the key agency responsible for the region's chaos,the ISI is now trying a "whitewash" strategy "spindrying "western corrssspondents.This is an intriguing happening,because it shows that the ISI is now on the defensive,both from the ungodly as well as th west,fed upo with its chicanery and diabolic terror.

The ISI, Pakistan's notorious and feared spy agency, comes in from the cold

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Aug 2009 19:03

ISI:

"We've started to open up a little," said an ISI official authorised to speak to the press. "In the past, irrespective of whether we did something, we were getting blamed for it. Now we want to reach out and get our point of view across."

He means that what they did with bombs, killing, Jihad, etc he now wants to try and do it with words. Perhaps a poem or two would help.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Aug 2009 20:11

arun wrote:
Malik says JuD banned, but status still unclear

Nirupama Subramanian

It is not known if the ban is under Pakistan’s anti-terror laws

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik told Parliament on Wednesday that the Jamat-ud-Dawa ……………………. widely known as a front of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is blamed for the November 2008 Mumbai attacks, was “banned” following its designation under Security Council Resolution 1267………............
The Hindu

That's a lie. Pakistan did not 'ban' JuD. When questioned about that in Dec. 2008, Rehman Malik said that " such an action was separately not warranted after the UN had added JuD under its terror list."

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 06 Aug 2009 20:31

An interesting commentary on India and Pakistan.

India Pakistan 2022AD

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2009 20:32

Check this map of India at 1947 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2KrcGQiKys

See that Punjab area. That is the area they want. They are OK if they lose the present Pakistan but the TSP army wants that area. We need to make sure there is no contiguous area for them ever in the future.

Can somebody translate the urdu words in the map

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 06 Aug 2009 20:47

X posting from Stability and Prosperity of Pakistan is not in India's Interest.

Whether it is in the interest or not of India to have a stable Pakistan is not really the issue. The nub of the issue is whether Pakistan is interested in becoming stable.

Historically, there has hardly any indication that Pakistan wanted stability. Pakistan has been chaotic since Independence. Balochistan and the NWFP declined joining Pakistan, but were coerced. Then without stabilising a nascent State, they embarked on war with India. The Bengalis started the Bengali Language Movement since they refused to accept Urdu being imposed on them and there were also the anti Ahmediyya riots! Thus, Pakistan was a motley amalgam of peoples who were reluctant players of Pakistan, and as if that was not enough indication of a divided society, they also divided society and encouraged sectarianism. They struggled for 9 years after Independence to formulate a Constitution indicating that they were fuzzy as to what are their Nation’s aims and aspirations!!

The confusion called Pakistan further muddied the waters of confusion by the drama and the merry go round of marital law governments and civil govts. Not versed in governance or statesmanship but purely based on self survival, Zia encouraged the rise of fundamentalist Islam and its instruments of enforcement. Chaos became the synonymous to Pakistan. Thereafter, the various Shia Sunni sectarian killings, the various liberation movements, the supremacy of the ISI over the govt etc dug into the innards of Pakistan, and made Pakistan but a nation only in name. In short, there has been no stability in Pakistan ever and that the psyche is merely sub national and individual and organisational one-upmanship!

Therefore, if after 60 odd years after Independence, Pakistan is yet trying to find its identity and stability, it is a moot point that stability in Pakistan, which is their will o’ the wisp, will be in the interest of India.

However, one also wonders if such chaotic people who are keener on destroying each other are worth embracing by India.

Many attempts have been made by India to have a lasting peace with Pakistan and many promises have been made by them, but each time, such promises proved hollow. And yet we chase the Holy Grail of Peace with Pakistan and still continue to do so and landing ourselves in a pretzel shaped confusion as was experienced even as late as the Sharm al Sharif meet! The problem with India is that our statesmen want to outdo Nehru as men of peace and stature, without realising that compared to Nehru (with all his faults), most such statesmen are pygmies! And yet they pursue their pipedream to out Nehru Nehru!

Ideally, India should play by the ear and leave issues loose ended but charged with high moral rhetoric, just the way Pakistan is doing as is evident in the release of Hafiz Saaed and at the same time carrying out cosmetic arrests of no import.

Our statesmen should stop playing to the gallery with strong words and then eat crow. That causes a loss in credibility, both internally and in the international arena.

Given the turmoil in Pakistan and if the Taliban gets a foothold, there will be chaos and in this chaos, if the various liberation movements are encouraged, then Pakistan will be history.

Then and then alone will there be stability in the area known as Pakistan!

A stable, prosperous Pakistan is NOT in India's interest

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 06 Aug 2009 21:08

raising blasphemy bogey can let you get away with pretty much anything it seems in pureistan

In Lahore workers kill factory owner accused of blasphemy

However, another TV station said the owner, identified only as Najeebullah, and the two other men were killed over the factory administration’s failure to pay workers.

The incident began when a worker came into the factory at around 2 pm and saw that the owner had taken down an old calendar, which had verses from the holy Qur’an written on it, and put it on a table . The worker accused the owner for what he thought was “desecration” of the holy Qur‘an. When a guard tried to stop him, he ran out into the working area and started gathering his colleagues, claiming the owner had committed ‘blasphemy’.

When the group of workers surrounded Najeebullah, his guard tried to protect him by firing in the air, but this further enraged the crowd; shots were fired killing the owner and his guard.

assuming the first quoted sentence is untrue [or even if it is true], the fact that we have some serious whackos residing to our West gets reinforced in me as the days go by - praying for the next continental drift to push pureistan in to Chinese heartland

Who on earth would read The Onion if they recieve their dose of news from jihadistan

pureistani housewife's [

no Homemaker for Ayesha] quest to glorify pureistani Engineer's lands her with a gran total of 3 Engineers that jihadistan can be proud of, a point she herself conceded

pakistani Housewife - Suck cesspool pakistani Engineers

Pakistanis who excelled in their professions are making it very difficult for me to pick and choose a few out of them but I really wish to show off how talented my country men note the gap between country & men] are.

strangely she doesn't list photochor in the list. probably p****d off at being made to eat the grass that she otherwise smoked

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Aug 2009 22:29

Balochistan Excise Minister gunned down in Karachi

KARACHI: Provincial Minister of Balochistan Sardar Rustam Jamali has been killed in firing incident in Karachi.
According to police sources, the unknown assailants got the Minister of Excise and Taxation out of his vehicle and shot three fires at him and fled from the scene here near Rado Apartments in Gulistan-e-Jauhar.
Born on January 9, 1963, Sardar Rustam Jamali, son of Sardar Yar Muhammad Jamali, was elected Balochistan MPA as independent candidate in the last general elections. He hailed from village Sardar Rustam Khan Jamali in Osta Muhammad, Jafarabad.
His body was taken to Agha Khan Hospital, where a large number of his supporters gathered outside the hospitals.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 06 Aug 2009 23:29

Baloch Republican Army frees seven kidnapped labourers

On July 31, BRA militants had kidnapped 11 labourers from Chattar. Subsequently, Station House Officer (SHO) of Dera Murad Jamali's Mir Hasan police station, Ehsanullah Khosa and his team launched an operation against the militants.

However, they too were kidnapped during the operation.

The militants had initially given the government a two-day ultimatum to release all Baloch political prisoners and had warned that if the prisoners were not released from Balochistan’s jails within that time, then all kidnapped police officials would be killed.

Eight policemen, including SHO Khosa, have so far been killed by the BRA militants, DIG Jamal said.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2009 00:04

Pakistan must counter India's growing power
By Tariq Osman Hyder, Special to Gulf News

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Aug 2009 00:25

RayC wrote:India Pakistan 2022AD

Has anyone read "The Koranic Concept of War”, which seems to be the SOP for the pookies? Any links?

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 07 Aug 2009 01:09

pgbhat wrote:Balochistan Excise Minister gunned down in Karachi
KARACHI: Provincial Minister of Balochistan Sardar Rustam Jamali has been killed in firing incident in Karachi.
According to police sources, the unknown assailants got the Minister of Excise and Taxation out of his vehicle and shot three fires at him and fled from the scene here near Rado Apartments in Gulistan-e-Jauhar.
Born on January 9, 1963, Sardar Rustam Jamali, son of Sardar Yar Muhammad Jamali, was elected Balochistan MPA as independent candidate in the last general elections. He hailed from village Sardar Rustam Khan Jamali in Osta Muhammad, Jafarabad.
His body was taken to Agha Khan Hospital, where a large number of his supporters gathered outside the hospitals.

Dawn says 'the murdered minister is the son of Sardar Yar Muhammad Jamali, Chief of the Jamali tribe, and the cousin of former PM Zafarullah Jamali'. So, the chances are that he was a pro-government man and was taken out by Balochistan freedom fighters
Dawn report

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Aug 2009 01:10

Gerard wrote:[
Pakistan must counter India's growing power
By Tariq Osman Hyder, Special to Gulf News

Well Mr Hyder,
Pakistan can easily counter Indian growing power by opening up Its Musharraf and absorving all the shocks. Do GUBO and live happily after ...not married

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Aug 2009 01:21

Gerard wrote:
Pakistan must counter India's growing power
By Tariq Osman Hyder, Special to Gulf News

On the other hand, 95 per cent of India's military potential is targeted against much smaller Pakistan. The planned nuclear submarine fleet with its short range ballistic missiles is also Pakistan specific.

Totally false claims by the author. With a land mass which is smaller and with smallest width of few hundred miles how can more missiles be Pak specific. He is counting 100 missiles which are offshore and says all of them are needed against TSP. He could be a good strategic expert for the Indian govt.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2009 01:42

anupmisra wrote:Has anyone read "The Koranic Concept of War”, which seems to be the SOP for the pookies? Any links?

A review of the book
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Para ... in-ess.htm

The book itself
http://cicentre.com/BK/sk_malik_quranic ... of_war.pdf

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 07 Aug 2009 02:04

The Pakis also have a strong belief in prophetic predictions - there are old claims about "Ghazwa-e-Hind". Loud-mouths like Hamid propagandize about this a lot. We could perhaps think of counter with our own!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Aug 2009 02:30

brihaspati wrote:The Pakis also have a strong belief in prophetic predictions - there are old claims about "Ghazwa-e-Hind". Loud-mouths like Hamid propagandize about this a lot. We could perhaps think of counter with our own!

Did thet forget their ship sanked in Ganges? Ganga Mata purify everyone , she will do it again and again and grant moksha to all the departed Malecchas of Pakjab . O Paki Lurkers , we will gladly pay for the last rites of whole Pakjabistanians and gladly do Shuddhi of all posssed by our right hand.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Aug 2009 03:15

Was this posted here eariler?

US Blackwater-Xe mercenaries spreads fear in Pakistani town

Peshawar - Fear is spreading across University Town, an upmarket residential area in Pakistan's north-western city of Peshawar, due to the overt presence of the controversial US private security contractor Blackwater.

Sporting the customary dark glasses and carrying assault rifles, the mercenaries zoom around the neighbourhood in their black-coloured armoured Chevy Suburbans, and shout at motorists when occasionally stranded in a traffic jam.

Becharey pissful people of Piss-a-war

'Sometimes, these guys stand in the streets and behave rudely with the passers-by, sometimes they point guns at people without provocation' said Imtiaz Gul, an engineer, whose home is a few hundred metres from the US contractor's base on Chanar Road in University Town.

'Who rules our streets, the Pakistani government or the Americans? They have created a state within the state,' he added.

Repeated complaints to the authorities have been to no avail since, according to residents.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Aug 2009 03:33

Band baj gayi.
1,000 US Marines to guard Islamabad mission: FO

KARACHI - Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit Khan has said that 1,000 US Marines who will be coming to Pakistan will be deployed at US Mission in Islamabad.
He said that there was no restriction on the number of personnel that a foreign mission could station at its mission but it is done through mutual understanding.
...
He said that both Pakistan and Indian Prime Minister in their meeting at Sharm El Shaikh agreed and emphasized the need of dialogues between the two countries. The meeting also agreed to hold between the foreign secretaries of the two countries in New York in September this year where issues like Sir Creek, terrorism and Kashmir would come under discussion. We want to restart CBMs, he added.
...
He said Friends of Pakistan will meet in Istanbul on August 25 where it will present a pilot project to seek assistance for re- construction and rehabilitation of displaced people in the Malakand division and hoped that the project will be approved.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 07 Aug 2009 03:38

Black water guys are just non state actors, Pakis better get used to them

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Aug 2009 03:39

^^^^^

He said that there was no restriction on the number of personnel that a foreign mission could station at its mission but it is done through mutual understanding.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Aug 2009 03:51

Hajjar marines in Slum-a-bad => No more coups in pakistan.
I understand that they will also be importing close to 100 APC's into isloo

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 07 Aug 2009 03:52

Strong likelihood that Baitullah Mehsud has been killed: TIRP Interior Minister, Rehman Malik.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090806/ts_ ... n_mehsud_1

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Aug 2009 03:54

Nandu wrote:Strong likelihood that Baitullah Mehsud has been killed: TIRP Interior Minister, Rehman Malik.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090806/ts_ ... n_mehsud_1

ABC's lead story today.

"Very likely killed M. 95% certain."