Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 15 Aug 2009 17:52

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Aug 2009 19:03

Gerard wrote:Detained Pakistanis refused UK bail

Can we have a small gathering of protestors with placards decrying UK's abominable sidelining of the human rights of these packees and the execrable mistreatment meted out to their tfta musharrafs? A few fotos of the placards circulating on brf and the web should be just a start.

Perhaps, the india study of world human rights can write a para or two in the UK section of its report that will be made available to all jingo desi forums in downloadable PDF forms?

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 15 Aug 2009 20:21

arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is truly a society caught in a time warp :

83% favour stoning adulterers
80% favour whipping and cutting of hands of thieves
78% favour death penalty for leaving Islam

Pakistani Public Opinion

And the punch line to this joke is that all the 83 percent who favor stoning the adulterers will willingly sleep with a gori the moment she gives them the green light. Ofcourse, cursing her in the name of Allah will erupt if she refuses access to them. What a people. What a religion.
Avram

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 15 Aug 2009 20:54

83% favour stoning adulterers
80% favour whipping and cutting of hands of thieves
78% favour death penalty for leaving Islam

Now, what more do the Al Qaeda and Taliban want than the average Paki?

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 15 Aug 2009 22:01

Potential for water conflict between India and Pakistan

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2656906.htm

Don't know how valid this report is... but assuming it is true.... I says, India should do nothing to help on this front. What is Pakistan going to do that it is not already doing? So I says,....Fk the Porkies!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Aug 2009 22:09

Holbrooke's Projects Long Occupation of Afghanistan, Pakistan {oops! Freudian slip}

Stephen Colbert show which featured an interview with Clintonite operative James Carville, now the campaign consultant for Ashra Ghani, a Western-educated World Bank economist running at four percent in recent polls against Hamid Kharzai....New York Times reported that Ghani was likely to be appointed prime minister if Karzai wins, putting the US deeper in the drivers seat after Afghanistan's elections next week

Podesta asked another question: can America settle for a "weak Afghanistan" combined with military intervention in Pakistan? The commitment is not "open-ended" but will take a "long time," came the answer

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 15 Aug 2009 22:45

SSridhar wrote:A suicide attack after a long time, AoA

AoA indeed.

Five killed in suicide blast in Swat

Three soldiers manning the security checkpoint were killed immediately in Saturday's attack in the town of Khawaza Khela, said senior police official Idrees Khan.

Two other people died later in a hospital, a senior security official said. One of them was civilian, but it was unclear whether the other was also a bystander or a soldier, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

'It is a strong message from Taliban. They want to convey that it is not over,' Rizvi told The Associated Press.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 15 Aug 2009 23:24

By saying India is a dominant power, Holbrooke is trying to flatter the Indians. He then wants to come to India and ask for concessions for Pakistan. Based on the Reuters story, this Holbrooke guy was pushing for Hillary to visit Pakistan along with India. Really glad to see the way India is showing the middle finger to this guy.

He is just an envoy to Af-Pak and he thinks he can drop in any time he wants and meet anyone he wants.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 15 Aug 2009 23:26

I think Baitullah Mehsood has been returned to his regular PA/ISI unit after deputation to the "Bad Taliban". So now the soosai bums can start again.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 Aug 2009 00:06

sreeji wrote:Some paki tryin to instigate Hyd muslims to speak against India in this video with generous Indian assistance. Why are pakis (other than ones needing med help or meeting relatives) given visas to come to India in the first place.

The response of the Hydrabad muslims is a resounding slap on the face of that Paki women. She was raised on the two nation theory of 'separate nation for the muslims of the subcontinent.'
Each muslim responded with a India zindabad, some even going to the extent to calling India the best of all the places they had visited.

The clincher was the guy saying that the people who moved to pakistan made a mistake.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 Aug 2009 00:09

csharma wrote:By saying India is a dominant power, Holbrooke is trying to flatter the Indians. He then wants to come to India and ask for concessions for Pakistan. Based on the Reuters story, this Holbrooke guy was pushing for Hillary to visit Pakistan along with India. Really glad to see the way India is showing the middle finger to this guy.

He is just an envoy to Af-Pak and he thinks he can drop in any time he wants and meet anyone he wants.

I've heard this one before. The uber educated west now 'know' that those injuns are really looking for equality and flattery will get you far.
Guess that knowledge needs to be updated now.

Flattery is being attempted in order to extract concessions, when India rebuffs, some pressure point will be activated against india.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 16 Aug 2009 02:08

Haven't posted in a while, but I'm kinda surprised that people haven't noticed that obvious "TSPness" of the BS peddled under fake Indian names. See the end of the articles below:

By "Satinder Singh" but..

The current regime in Afghanistan prefers Afghanistan to become an Indian vassal than to remain an independent country tied to Pakistan. Moin Ansari

Another one by "Abhjay Patel", but...

Col Ghulam Sarwar (R)

Looks like Abhijay jee underwent a sex change operation

India behind the Taliban. Shumaila Raja

But Abhijay jee is masculine again...

After Baitullah, battle on for Taliban treasure. Moin Ansari

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 16 Aug 2009 02:11

sreeji wrote:Some paki tryin to instigate Hyd muslims to speak against India in this video with generous Indian assistance. Why are pakis (other than ones needing med help or meeting relatives) given visas to come to India in the first place.

You misunderstood the agenda of the video. It is a propaganda peace designed to show that the big bad Hindoos keep unfairly accusing the poor oppressed Muslims of being unpatriotic.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Aug 2009 02:43

Re Hol(e)brooke and flattering Indian leaders, an US envoy met Sri Jagjivan Ram in 1971 and told him the US would extend an invitation to US for him and throw in a visit to the White House. Sri Jagjivan Ram said that he was a humble man who would be out of place in such places of pomp and was good where he was!

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Aug 2009 03:11

asprinzl wrote:
arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is truly a society caught in a time warp :

83% favour stoning adulterers
80% favour whipping and cutting of hands of thieves
78% favour death penalty for leaving Islam

Pakistani Public Opinion
And the punch line to this joke is that all the 83 percent who favor stoning the adulterers will willingly sleep with a gori the moment she gives them the green light. Ofcourse, cursing her in the name of Allah will erupt if she refuses access to them. What a people. What a religion.
Avram

Avramji after all these years you should know that Pakistan ka matlab kya : La ilaha illallah (There is no God by Allah). By this definition alone they are the true believers of Islam. The survey above just confirms the Islamic fervour of an average Paki.
The video below will explain things better :
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=WnyPlqQ7XvU

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 16 Aug 2009 03:14

Manny wrote:Potential for water conflict between India and Pakistan

I keep reading about this water war business.
Presumably, as the upper riparian state, India would not be the one to start hostilities.

Given that Pakistan has lost all the wars it has ever fought with India and is at a military disadvantage, both qualitatively and quantitatively, with respect to India, why exactly would Pakistan initiate a war with India? What would that achieve? At the end of the conflict, both armies would be at the same positions they are now and Pakistan would still be the lower riparian state. So why this incessant bleating about war from the Pakis?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 16 Aug 2009 03:17

hey those hyderabadis speak perfect Hindostani!!

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Aug 2009 03:34

Gerard wrote:
Manny wrote:Potential for water conflict between India and Pakistan
I keep reading about this water war business.
Presumably, as the upper riparian state, India would not be the one to start hostilities.

Given that Pakistan has lost all the wars it has ever fought with India and is at a military disadvantage, both qualitatively and quantitatively, with respect to India, why exactly would Pakistan initiate a war with India? What would that achieve? At the end of the conflict, both armies would be at the same positions they are now and Pakistan would still be the lower riparian state. So why this incessant bleating about war from the Pakis?

Gerardsaar this is an Australian radio show where they roped in some NASA guy to talk about the water table depletion in our Punjab. Later on some Australian strat guy talks about potential of Indo-Pak conflict. There is a link (left side) on the page where you can listen to the Audio as well. The Article is a transcript of the newsreport. The transcript talks about the Dam on Chennai River(actually referring to Chenab River & Baghliar Dam) that India built and decided to hear if the strat guy called Chenab as Chennai. It was a case of bad transcription. Otherwise I would have sent him an email with a human body diagram showing where his ass is and where his head is so that he can learn the basics before opening his piehole.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 08:56

Gerard wrote:US reluctant to sign a civil nuclear accord with Pakistan

The US reluctance in concluding an India like civilian nuclear deal with Pakistan in greater detail from Dawn TV’s interview of US Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs, Robert Blake :

‘How would the US react if Pakistan signed a nuclear agreement with China, like the one India signed with the US?’

‘It is not simply a bilateral agreement, this kind of agreement must go through the nuclear suppliers’ group, so there has got to be a multilateral understanding,’ he said.

‘Similarly, any kind of agreement between Pakistan and another country would have to be subject to review by the IAEA, by the nuclear suppliers’ group and others. So this is not simply a bilateral agreement.’

‘Will the US be willing to help Pakistan produce nuclear energy?’

‘Again, that is something that has to be discussed. Nuclear power … you have to find investment and people who are going to put money into it. Otherwise it is an extremely expensive alternative for providing energy,’ said Mr Blake.

‘What is needed now is really a good discussion on how to meet the immediate electricity needs of Pakistan. This is probably the most important internal problem on the economic side that Pakistan faces.’ .................

Dawn

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 10:40

X Post.

Tarbela, Pakistan’s largest reservoir, seems to be having a silting problem:

Agriculture to suffer as dead level at Tarbela being raised

Step may result in release of less water during Rabi crops

Sunday, August 16, 2009
By Dilshad Azeem

ISLAMABAD: Agriculture may receive a major setback as authorities have decided to release substantially reduced water supply from the country’s largest Tarbela reservoir from the coming Rabi season onwards, The News has learnt.................

Sources in Water and Power Ministry, while insisting on finalisation of new minimum level, pointed out that Wapda took the decision of setting the new dead level following a bad experience almost two months back when electricity units at Tarbela totally choked due to influx of heavy silt ..................

The Indian projects, Baglihar and Kishanganga that caused reduction in Chenab and Jhelum River flows, are adding to the miseries of Pakistan in meeting the irrigation demands, particularly in Rabi season that starts in September every year. ..................

The News

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 16 Aug 2009 10:53

http://www.daily.pk/threatened-indian-d ... them-8456/

Shame on you Kafir Indians

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 11:15

:

Pakistan far better than India in civil nuclear technology, says Chairman PAEC

ISLAMABAD: Chairman Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission Dr. Ansar Pervez in unequivocal terms has said Pakistan is far better then India in civil nuclear technology, ……………….

Online News

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Aug 2009 11:27

Najam Sethi's son and his impressions of an Indian sojourn

I said, “It’s a lot like Lahore.” But that was only partly true. The way the leaves of trees hung above the roads of Delhi, obscuring the sky, and the meringue-like buildings on Connaught Place — these were like bits of Lahore. But there had also been temples on the way from the airport {obviously not acceptable to a Pakistani Muslim}. . .

Afterwards we drove to a restaurant near the Jamia Masjid. The world changed: the well-lit mansions and boutiques became black apartment windows and narrow, unshuttered shops; the roads became gutted alleys. Men and boys wore white skullcaps here, and some of the women were in burqas. The skinned torsos of animals were hanging everywhere from strings.

“Muslim area,” said the girl sitting next to me in the car.

I was thinking of the view I had from the window of a Mumbai apartment, where I’d gone some nights ago to attend a book party. It looked onto a wide marsh that began to glitter as the light faded away. On the far edge of the view, forming a kind of border region, was a curving scrap of tents and huts.

“Slums,” said the girl sitting on the floor of the apartment and drinking red wine from a beautiful oversized glass. . .“Yup. Mostly Muslims.”{Najam Sethi should find out what his son, a Muslim, does with haraami red wine drinking women in an apartment}

“Your name?” said the doctor.

“Ali Sethi.”

“Anil Sethi?’

“Ali Sethi. A L I.”

“Oh,” said the doctor, and looked up inquiringly from his notepad. “Half Indian and half... Muslim.”{No doctor in India would have said that}

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Aug 2009 11:37

“Oh,” said the doctor, and looked up inquiringly from his notepad. “Half Indian and half... Muslim.”{No doctor in India would have said that}

Concur with that. He made that one up for the benefit of his audience. It's so Paki..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Aug 2009 11:45

arun wrote:X Post.

Tarbela, Pakistan’s largest reservoir, seems to be having a silting problem:

Arun, all the Himalayan rivers carry huge sediments and Indus is no exception. It is both a blessing and a curse because the richness of the alluvial plains come from the sediments carried while the dams get silted if not managed properly. Tarbela's capacity was reduced by 25% almost a decade back and a huge island has formed at Tarbela stretching several dozen kilometres back. The capacity may very well be much more reduced today. Besides silting, the fine sand damages the turbine blades and frequently Tarbela powerhouse operates with reduced power output; barely one-tenth of its installed capacity. There is a possibility of permanently de-commissioning the Tarbela Power House. That was why, in Baglihar, India wanted to have low-level anti-siltation sluice gates which Pakistan objected to and finally the Neutral Expert cleared. In Salal, India accepted Pakistan's objection for a similar structure and we are suffering the effects today.

In the other dam, Mangla, too the reservoir has lost 25 to 30% capacity. Pakistan recently raised the height of the dam to compensate for that.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 11:53

Sridhar,

Thanks for the background.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Aug 2009 11:54

While the world’s notion of justice may have evolved to de-legitimise of the use of Collective Punishment, that’s not the case in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which justice wise is still firmly entrenched in the middle ages:

17 arrested in Salarzai tehsil

Sunday, August 16, 2009
By Our correspondent

KHAR: The political administration arrested 17 tribesmen in Salarzai tehsil in Bajaur Agency on Saturday and seized their vehicles in a crackdown launched against Mandal tribes for not handing over wanted persons to the government.

Tribal sources said the political administration apprehended 17 tribesmen and seized a number of vehicles under the collective responsibility section of Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) after they failed to present the suspected persons to the government. ………………

The News

negi · Post by **negi** » 16 Aug 2009 12:47

Don't know where to post it , it seems Jassoo Mithai walah could not digest the fact that GOI could do such a big self goal in S.e.S so he has now tried to outscore the latter and I have to concede he did an awesome job.

Jinnah was 'demonised' by India: Jaswant

Senior BJP leader Jaswant Singh has said Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah was "demonised" by India even though it was Jawaharlal Nehru whose belief in a centralized system had led to the Partition.

Jaswant, whose book "Jinnah - India, Partition, Independence", will be released on Monday, also said Indian Muslims are treated as aliens. [what is he doing in an anti Muslim party then ?]

"Oh yes, because he created something out of nothing and single-handedly he stood against the might of the Congress party and against the British who didn't really like him... Gandhi himself called Jinnah a great Indian. Why don't we recognise that? Why don't we see (and try to understand) why he called him that," Singh said, when asked by Karan Thapar in an interview whether he viewed Jinnah as a great man.

He said he did not subscribe to the popular "demonisation" of Jinnah.

Singh, a former external affairs minister, feels India had misunderstood Jinnah and made a demon out of him.

Contrary to popular perception, Singh feels it was not Jinnah but Nehru's "highly centralised polity" that led to the Partition of India.

Asked if he was concerned that Nehru's heirs and the Congress party would be critical of the responsibility he was attributing to Nehru for Partition, Singh said, "I am not blaming anybody. I am not assigning blame. I am simply recalling what I have found as the development of issues and events of that period."

Singh contested the popular Indian view that Jinnah was the villain of Partition or the man principally responsible for it. Maintaining that this view was wrong, he said, "It is. It is not borne out of the facts...we need to correct it."

He feels Jinnah's call for Pakistan was "a negotiating tactic" to obtain "space" for Muslims "in a reassuring system" where they would not be dominated by the Hindu majority. [isn't he contradicting himself...idiot]

He said if the final decisions had been taken by Mahatma Gandhi, Rajaji or Maulana Azad -- rather than Nehru -- a united India would have been attained, he said, "Yes, I believe so. We could have (attained an united India)." [the fact that they agreed to it is enough...who proposed the idea for now is immaterial ]

Singh said the widespread opinion that Jinnah was against Hindus is mistaken.

When told that his views on Jinnah may not be to the liking of his party, he replied, "I did not write this book as a BJP parliamentarian. I wrote this book as an Indian...this is not a party document. My party knows I have been working on this."

Singh also spoke about Indian Muslims who, he said, "have paid the price of Partition". In a particularly outspoken answer, he said India treats them as "aliens".

"Look into the eyes of the Muslims who live in India and if you truly see the pain with which they live, to which land do they belong? We treat them as aliens...without doubt Muslims have paid the price of Partition. They could have been significantly stronger in a united India...of course Pakistan and Bangladesh won't like what I am saying." [Muslims are unhappy because they got bigots like Jassoo mithai walah as their leaders who have foot in mouth syndrome...and ofcourse Pakistan and BD will be more than happy to endorse his viewpoint..this guy is insane]

The veteran BJP leader feels Pakistan has remained a conceptual orphan, the result of somewhat barren attainment; 'barren' because Pakistan itself, as both the progenitor and as the first born of the idea, has demonstrated that this notion of "Muslims being a separate nation does not work".

"However, sadly, even this land for Muslims has not been the end of the journey. Pakistan went further along the path of Islamic exclusiveness, it opted to become an Islamic state, and this after having already separated on grounds of Islam..."

He says it is a compendium of many accumulated grievances, a deep sense in the minds and hearts of the citizens of Pakistan that they have been repeatedly betrayed, wronged continuously, decade after decade since 1947 by the West, also often by India, and it is this that has made Pakistan not a strategic outpost of Western interests but in reality a great threat to the West.

The book describes as "epic journey of Jinnah from being the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity to the Quaid-e-Azam of Pakistan".

Sigh...good riddance party of such baffoons did not come to power.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 16 Aug 2009 12:56

negi wrote:Sigh...good riddance party of such baffoons did not come to power.

Its the first time I am too honestly happy that these people didn't come to power. What we can admire in Pakis that they are at least all one in hating everything Indian, we can't even do that.

negi · Post by **negi** » 16 Aug 2009 13:13

kittoo wrote:What we can admire in Pakis that they are at least all one in hating everything Indian, we can't even do that.

No that is not something to admire or which we should aspire to emulate .

The issue here is about national leaders going out of the way writing or saying stuff which is not in interest of our country . Muslims got a raw deal during the partition but so did the Hindus and Sikhs across the other side of the border it was not a state or Hindu sponsored conspiracy for which Jassoo is trying to be so apologetic.

Linking the current state of Muslims with the partition infact the justifies what likes of Hurriyat,JKLF and even Jehadi groups have been propogating for all these years . Jaswant's stupid remarks do not help improve their plight rather would increase the rift between the communities.

It seems BJP's obsession with the Gandhi and Nehru family has clouded their senses and their leaders have been making all sorts of Zaid hamidsque statements .

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Aug 2009 13:18

I continue to patiently wait for the octogenarian generaration of the Bhajpa's leadership to retire honorably (like Sri ABV did) or pass away kicking and screaming (like Sri Sitaram Kesri did in the INC). The PVNR treatment cannot be meted out to them as there exists no nehru-dynasty equivalent in the BJP (nope, the rss doesn't count).

The next gen will hopefully be far more mature, aware and pragmatic. The Jaitleys, Modis, Chauhans and Rajes bode well for the future provided the apex does the bjp the last favor of managing the succession.

A primaries based internal party structure would be a great start and important point of differentiation from the rest of the desi polity, IMHO>

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 Aug 2009 13:21

“Your name?” said the doctor.

“Ali Sethi.”

“Anil Sethi?’

“Ali Sethi. A L I.”

“Oh,” said the doctor, and looked up inquiringly from his notepad. “Half Indian and half... Muslim.”{No doctor in India would have said that}

so much hatred for India that they have to make up stuff about us to hate..... I just hope taliban note down that he drank wine in kufr India.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Aug 2009 13:32

The issue here is about national leaders going out of the way writing or saying stuff which is not in interest of our country

Frankly i differ. The real issue is that it simply is not true. I would'nt have minded it one bit if it was against our interests, but was true and he stated it as such. Bu unfortunately it primarily is a lie, totally false and yes something incidentally that does not serve our interests.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Aug 2009 13:35

US Asst Sec of State on Pakistan

He not only rejected the possibility of offering a similar nuclear agreement to Pakistan as Washington has signed with India but also said that Pakistan could not sign a bilateral nuclear agreement with other countries either.

He refrained from describing Pakistan as “the most dangerous place on earth”, as the US media calls it, but acknowledged that country faced a number of challenges.

The assistant secretary said that like its predecessor, the Obama administration also believed that its relations with Pakistan were different from its ties to India. “We see them as different challenges and different opportunities but both are very, very important to the US. I don’t want to try to say that one is more important than the other,” he said. Mr Blake conceded that despite the US desire to de-hyphenate its relations with Pakistan to those with India, there were a number of inter-connections between the two countries.

“How would the US react if Pakistan signed a nuclear agreement with China, like the one India signed with the US?”

“It is not simply a bilateral agreement, this kind of agreement must go through the nuclear suppliers’ group, so there has got to be a multilateral understanding,” he said.

“Similarly, any kind of agreement between Pakistan and another country would have to be subject to review by the IAEA, by the nuclear suppliers’ group and others. So this is not simply a bilateral agreement.”

“Will the US be willing to help Pakistan produce nuclear energy?”

“Again, that is something that has to be discussed. Nuclear power … you have to find investment and people who are going to put money into it. Otherwise it is an extremely expensive alternative for providing energy,” said Mr Blake.

“Pakistan says India is using Afghanistan to stir troubles in Balochistan. What do you say?”

“We welcome what India is doing in Afghanistan. India is playing a very important role in terms of providing development assistance, building roads and infrastructure and many other things. And Ambassador Holbrooke has addressed the issues of Balochistan and so forth and again that really is something that should be discussed between the two countries.”

“Has the US seen evidence of India’s involvement?”

“I don’t want to really get into the details of that. Let me just leave it at what I said. This is really something for the two countries to talk about themselves and try to resolve.

“Prime Minister Singh has denied that there’s any kind of involvement in Balochistan. And if Pakistan believes that there’s such involvement, then he has encouraged them to provide that information.”

Why do you say that India wants to help strengthen Pakistan?”

“India understands that it is not in its interest to try to destabilise or undermine Pakistan’s security at this very sensitive time.”

negi · Post by **negi** » 16 Aug 2009 13:38

I agree ...I should have been more succinct with my statement.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 16 Aug 2009 13:44

Jaswant Singh is trying to be like Arun Shourie, but he lacks intellectual depth. He is merely forcing himself into an intellectual role by writing books, but he is wanting to be something that he is not. He is not a profound thinker at all. He reminds me of Nehru -- lot of books and "farrate-dar" English, but insight of a buffon.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 16 Aug 2009 14:14

What is the point of Jaswant Singh's book. Regardless of what Jinnah might have been, Indians know what kind of Pakistan he built. So, these techincalities of who was doing what in 1940s has no meaning.

Inspite of his failings, Nehru laid the foundation of a modern republic. What is the point of blaming Nehru now? Is it an academic debate?

Between Nehru and Jinnah, how can one pick Jinnah? It is truly bizarre. These technical points can lead to good discussions amongst intellectual people and I am not sure how it benefits his party.

Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 16 Aug 2009 16:51

Regarding Jaswant singh's book... Just because he makes me think of how little really I know of authentic history, I refuse to condemn him.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 16 Aug 2009 16:53

csharma wrote:What is the point of Jaswant Singh's book.

Money.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 16 Aug 2009 20:33

csharma wrote:What is the point of Jaswant Singh's book. Regardless of what Jinnah might have been, Indians know what kind of Pakistan he built. So, these techincalities of who was doing what in 1940s has no meaning.

Inspite of his failings, Nehru laid the foundation of a modern republic. What is the point of blaming Nehru now? Is it an academic debate?

Between Nehru and Jinnah, how can one pick Jinnah? It is truly bizarre. These technical points can lead to good discussions amongst intellectual people and I am not sure how it benefits his party.

Actually I see it as an interesting move.

Congress treats Nehru like God

Congress desires Muslim-friendly image (oopps.. sorry Minority-friendly). Sometimes it seems like they confuse Muslim-friendly with Pakistan-friendly.

Is it possible that by making it a Jinnah-Nehru spat, it becomes difficult for Congress to balance the two.