India-China News and Discussion

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2009 18:05

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Aug 2009 18:13

Truthfulness, Benevolence and Forbearance are the highest human values that any human being can ever practice through out his/her life time. This will only develop an individual as a Self with an intense and unwavering efforts. That has nothing to do with the growth of China or any other country unless they are radical and extreme. It is disgrace that Chinese leaders suppress people with peaceful values(read Tibet, Falun Gong) and people like you don't show a pinch of compassion and name it as a fight/struggle. The organ business article is really disturbing. Atleast feel sorry for the victims Liu. Not a single post from you being apologetic towards those people. It is not world's media demonizing China, it is that barbaric attitude of your leaders which is demonizing China.

Well said Venkarlji. Thats what i was trying stressing. If an organization bases itself on these fundamentals. it is natural it grows in a healthy and fulfilling way for society. Organizations/ religions/ cults that sacrifice 'means' to achieve 'ends' finally end up in the garbage dump of history. Their claim to fame will always be transient/ ephemeral.

In this regard India need not learn anything from China.

Absolutely. You don't have to sacrfice our soul to the devil for a few shiny glass coated empty buildings. We'll have it all without having to sell our souls.

Falun Gong is the modern version of "yellow Headband" or "Red Headband".
If I were the head of CPC,I would also not hesitate to suppress Falun Gong ,either.

I know Truthfulness, Benevolence, Forbearance, are not virtues that the CPC runs on. They are too weak and cowardly to possess such virtues or take that path..

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2009 18:15

Not quite Indo-Sino, close and interesting:

India and the New Great Game

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2009 18:18

Enough space for India, China to grow, says Krishna

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Aug 2009 18:44

harbans wrote: Absolutely. You don't have to sacrfice our soul to the devil for a few shiny glass coated empty buildings. We'll have it all without having to sell our souls.

You don't have to sacrifice your soul or anything. But India is famous for being a "soft state". If you want to remain independent you do have to sacrifice your naivete.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Aug 2009 19:02

You don't have to sacrifice your soul or anything. But India is famous for being a "soft state". If you want to remain independent you do have to sacrifice your naivete.

Wrong conclusion. Adhering to truth, compassion and having forbearance has nothing to do with being weak/ not being strong. It's lost cases lke Arjuna in our political spectrum, that follow the path of appeasement. India's strength still lies in it's intrinsic 'soft' power. China's weakness is just that. It does not have soft power. For that matter now India has started to mount a challenge even to it's hard economic and military power. You will be doing a big injustice by confusing soft power and naivette in this case.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Aug 2009 19:38

http://www.c3sindia.org/china-internal/759

October 1, 2009: Beijing Keeps Its Fingers Crossed

B.Raman, C3S Paper No.338 dated August 24, 2009
With the high-profile celebrations of the 60th anniversary of the People’s Republic of China just five weeks away, the Chinese authorities have stepped up physical security measures right across the country in general and in Beijing,Tibet and Xingiang in particular. Other sensitive areas receiving special attention are the provinces of Sichuan and Yunnan and Shanghai. Special security measures have been taken in towns having a large Uighur migrant population.

2. More than the Tibetans, the Chinese have been particularly worried about the Uighurs and the suspected links of the Islamic Movement of Eastern Turkestan (IMET) with Al Qaeda. Reliable reports from Police sources in Pakistan say that Rehman Malik, the Pakistani Interior Minister, has been requested by the Chinese Ambassador in Islamabad to step up vigilance on the Uighur elements in Pakistan and particularly on the activities of the IMET based in North Waziristan.

3. The Chinese nervousness has been increased by the outbreak of violence in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang, on July 5,2009, and the failure of their Ministry of Public Security, which is responsible for internal intelligence and security, to detect the preparations for the violence by the Uighurs. The Ministry of Public Security was as badly caught napping in Xinjiang in July as it was in Tibet in March last year.

4. The Lhasa riots of March,2008, and the Urumqi riots of July,2009, have underlined the weak intelligence capabilities in the peripheral regions. The security authorities did well in preventing any undue incident anywhere in China during the Beijing Olympics of August last year, but their subsequent performance in Xinjiang was unsatisfactory.

5. The Chinese nervousness over possible threats from pro-Al Qaeda elements has been increased by the fact that the Muslim fasting period of Ramadan, which started on August 23,2009, coincides with the weeks preceding the October celebrations, which start on October 1, and will end when the celebrations start in October. Restrictions on the movements and gatherings of Muslims become very difficult during this period and often prove provocative.

6. The security authorities of Beijing staged a simulation exercise on August 11,2009, to test the reflexes of the local authorites to a terrorist raid into the capital. Scanty details of the exercise available so far indicate that one of the scenarios apprehended by the Chinese security is a complex, multi-target, multi-modus operandi terrorist attack of the kind witnessed by Mumbai between November 26 and 29,2008. Similar complex attacks have subsequently been seen in Kabul, Khost, Kandahar and Peshawar, but not on the same scale as in Mumbai. The security agencies in all these places were caught napping.

7. While widespread disturbances of the kind seen in Lhasa and Urumqi would require dozens of law-breakers, a terrorist attack of the kind witnessed in Mumbai required less than a dozen well-motivated and well-trained terrorists. The IMET has such well-motivated and well-trained members in its ranks and could create havoc if they manage infiltrate into Beijing.

8. The security precautions all over China are being planned on the same scale as were taken during the Beijing Olympics. The “China Daily” of August 24,2009, has given details of some of these security measures. Relevant extracts from its report are annexed. (24-8-09)

( The writer, Mr.B.Raman, is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. He is also associated with the Chennai Centre For China Studies. E-mail: [email protected] )

ANNEXURE

Extracts from the report carried by the “China Daily” on August 24,2009

Over the weekend, police activated hundreds of checkpoints developed for last year’s Olympic Games to beef up checks on people and vehicles entering the city.

Xu Ke, a driver who constantly travels between Handan in Hebei province and Beijing, said Sunday the toll station at the Beijing end of the Hebei-Beijing expressway has been fitted with new security-scanning machines.

Thousands of militia soldiers have also been deployed to watch key infrastructure such as bridges, overpasses, railways and highway tunnels, according to the police bureau.

Security measures have also been tightened in the city’s subway system and key areas such as Tian’anmen Square.

All bags carried by subway passengers are subject to security checks, and armed police officers and plainclothes officers will patrol more often in Tian’anmen Square.

Bags taken into the square are being checked, China Daily noted over the weekend.

Taxi drivers have also been told to report any suspicious customers to police, especially along Chang’an Avenue, a major thoroughfare that runs along Tian’anmen Square, the latest issue of Southern Weekly reported.

The report also said the Beijing Radio Administration Bureau is screening radio devices in the city, especially near Tian’anmen Square, Chang’an Avenue and three “parade villages” where civilians and troops participating in the parade are exercising.

Meanwhile, gas stations have been asked to be wary of customers buying gasoline with containers. Stations are required to question the purpose of the purchase, and keep a copy of the buyer’s ID card and contact information.

The administration also asks gas stations make contingency plans in case of emergencies, including terrorist attacks, administration director Zhang Jiaming was quoted by the local media as saying.

In June, a 62-year-old man ignited a bucket of gas he bought at a local station on a bus in Chengdu, killing 27 people, including himself.

Local communities have also been mobilized as an important supplement to police. The city’s police bureau said ideally about 800,000 people would be involved, including college students, retired and self-employed residents. They will wear red armbands and watch for suspicious strangers around their communities.

Wang Taiyuan, a professor with the Chinese People’s Public Security University, said these measures are a comprehensive system to improve security ahead of National Day.

He said unlike last year’s Olympic Games, threats for National Day are more likely to come from inside the country than from abroad.

“However, the security work for the coming event is by no means easier. Some of the threats, such as Tibetan and Xinjiang Uygur separatists, may not give up the opportunity (to disrupt the celebration),” Wang said.

Li Wei, director of the center for counter-terrorism studies with the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, also said the risk of violence and terrorism rose after the July 5 riot in Urumqi in Xinjiang.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Aug 2009 19:56

harbans wrote:You don't have to sacrifice your soul or anything. But India is famous for being a "soft state". If you want to remain independent you do have to sacrifice your naivete.

Wrong conclusion. Adhering to truth, compassion and having forbearance has nothing to do with being weak/ not being strong. It's lost cases lke Arjuna in our political spectrum, that follow the path of appeasement. India's strength still lies in it's intrinsic 'soft' power. China's weakness is just that. It does not have soft power. For that matter now India has started to mount a challenge even to it's hard economic and military power. You will be doing a big injustice by confusing soft power and naivette in this case.

I agree that India has some soft power, but it will not stop Indian citizens from being killed by Jihadis, Maoists etc. India is a soft state with some soft power, China is a hard state with less soft power. But the Chinese leadership are well versed in exercising the power that they do have. Whereas naive Indians trustingly accept a government that enables or at least tolerates infiltration, huge illegal immigration, massive corruption, undermining of Indic culture, and too many other crimes to recount over here.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Aug 2009 21:15

In order to attain hard power one does not need to sacrifice soft power. One enhances the other.

It is our soft-power which allows us to buy high-tech weaponry from the West, if we choose to, and China can't. It will be our hard power one day, that protects us from our vicious neighbors and the enemies at home so that our soft-power stays and prospers.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Aug 2009 21:19

Dont use soft power and hard power words liberally. It is a metaphor and mostly an image which is made up.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Aug 2009 21:39

archan wrote: Rao, what in your opinion could be the reason for this largesse?

Dunno.

My guestimation is that China has two groups: the pro-"democratic"/eco (ForMin, Economists?) and the old Mao group (PLA, People's Daily?) (pretty much all my Sino introspection is based on this).

I feel that the US Af-Pak has tossed the Mao group into confusion - it will take a long time (IMHO) for them to come out of it.

My guess is that this move is part of an internal (not quite) power struggle, where the "good" guys are trying to consolidate while the "bad" guys are trying to regroup. ?????????? (I find it very hard to believe that the PLA would want an Indian consulate anywhere in Tibet.)

But, if my first sentence is incorrect, then everything in this post is wrong.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 26 Aug 2009 11:35

Pranav wrote: I agree that India has some soft power, but it will not stop Indian citizens from being killed by Jihadis, Maoists etc. India is a soft state with some soft power, China is a hard state with less soft power. But the Chinese leadership are well versed in exercising the power that they do have. Whereas naive Indians trustingly accept a government that enables or at least tolerates infiltration, huge illegal immigration, massive corruption, undermining of Indic culture, and too many other crimes to recount over here.

Those who aspire for and exercise hard-power do so because of their misconception that hard-power guarantees their survival and growth in perpetuity. However, history has shown otherwise: ever single civilization/country/entity that has used hard-power for survival and growth has perished because once power goes so does the civilization that depended on it. Only a paranoid fool (CCP for example) would assume that its hard-power would last in perpetuity.

Indian civilization is the only civilization that has been able to survive in perpetuity so far because soft power is a chracteristic of Indian civilization and its products. We don't depend on power for survival and growth, but we do depend on power to keep other hard-powers at bay . The only proper use of hard power in the Indian context is to keep other hard-powers at bay. Every time we have failed to do so, the growth (not the survival) of Indian civilization has suffered.

Our survival is pretty much ensured in perpetuity because of relatively large historical populations. Even if a power managed to come in, they would sooner or later be assimilated. If the British would have ruled India for a century more, Britain itself would have been assimilated.

No wonder they ran while they could. Probably the pressure of having PMs with Indian blood and "curry" as their national food was starting to get to them.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 26 Aug 2009 14:37

The only proper use of hard power in the Indian context is to keep other hard-powers at bay. Every time we have failed to do so, the growth (not the survival) of Indian civilization has suffered.

Are you sure? Really sure? Sounds more like a selective reading of history, IMO, wherein data points that don't fit in have been conveniently discarded only.

Indonesia was Indic once,. Now no longer. Proof in bold capitals that Indic memes aren't immune or even particularly resistant to systematic erasure. The less said about formerly Indic lands like Afgn, BD and TSP, the better.

Our survival is pretty much ensured in perpetuity because of relatively large historical populations. Even if a power managed to come in, they would sooner or later be assimilated. If the British would have ruled India for a century more, Britain itself would have been assimilated.

The story every jingo tells himself, I guess. Has the noble jingo cared to consider the (IMVVHO, all-too-realistic) alternative that given another century, they'd have wiped the Indics out using their demonstratbly preferred means used successfully in other contexts -
1. outright genocide as seen with the Red Indians
2. mass starvation and famine engineering as seen repeatedly in Bengal, Bihar and Orissa
3. forced conversions on a brutalized propulation and public tortures - ref. the Portugese in Goa
4. Systematic destruction of the traditional Indic institutions and communitites - ref. Macaulay's grand schemes,
5. Other manner of deceit, inducement, division, etc etc ?

Didn't they succeed in Nagaland, Meghalaya and South Korea - areas arguably under or close to Indic influence?

/Just putting firth a devil's advocacy is all. Have a nice day.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 26 Aug 2009 18:07

I'm sure the top leadership of the Communist Party of China is as corrupt as the politicians of India. But in India, the politicians are afraid of the people, and keep their ill-gotten wealth in foreign banks. This makes them vulnerable to all kinds of external pressures, and they rely on foreign backing to remain in power and continue their plunder. Or one can view it as foreign powers deliberately backing morally compromised people to rule India.

This situation leads to all kinds of conspiracies against the people. For example, the assassination of Lal Bahadur Shastri helped Indira capture power. Later, Indira herself was assassinated, with the needle of suspicion pointing to RK Dhawan. Who was backing Dhawan is unknown. Later Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by the LTTE, which has known links to Church organizations and foreign intelligence agencies. The assassins had stayed in a Congress leader's home. (see Rajinder Puri's article at http://www.boloji.com/myword/mwna078.htm). Currently we have Sonia Gandhi, who, as per reliable sources, was a foreign intelligence asset, and has put a horrendous fellow like Navin Chawla in charge of the Election Commission.

On the other hand, in China, the dictatorship is fairly nationalistic and is not beholden to foreign backers to maintain their rule in China. So that is a more healthy situation.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 27 Aug 2009 01:25

shravan wrote:Clash at China smelter after 100s of kids poisoned
Monday, August 17, 2009

More provinces join China lead checks
Aug 25, 2009

SINGAPORE/HONG KONG (Reuters) - The impact of a Chinese lead poisoning scandal spread to another two provinces on Tuesday, threatening further cuts in supply from the world's top producer of the metal.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:18

India, China To Push For Successful Climate Pact - Bloomberg

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:20

Reliance, China Telecom complete cable linking China and India

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:21

Trade issues drive China, India apart

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:22

What concerns India most is the ‘China Card’

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:24

Australia approves massive China, India gas deal

Does NOT say any thing about impact on the Iranian pipeline.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Aug 2009 06:26

India Wants China to Phase Out Tiger Farms to Save Wild Tigers

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 27 Aug 2009 12:31

Hari Seldon wrote: Indonesia was Indic once,. Now no longer. Proof in bold capitals that Indic memes aren't immune or even particularly resistant to systematic erasure. The less said about formerly Indic lands like Afgn, BD and TSP, the better.

Since when did Indonesia become part of the classical Indian civilization? Let's not confuse areas that came under the influence of Indian civilization with those that are part of the Indian civilization. The current boundaries are essentially the same as the classical Indian civilization except off course the parts of Pakistan that lie to the east of river Indus and Bangladesh.

Also, perhaps one of the greatest historical misconception in popular mindset is that Islam somehow impacted Hinduism and hence damaged the classical Indian civilization. However, the fact is that it never happened. It was the Buddhists who converted to Islam, not the Hindus. All the areas of the Indian subcontinent that are predominantly Islamic today were predominantly Buddhists before the Islamic invasions started. In pre-islamic days, Buddhism was also strong in Gangetic plains; however, Hinduism dominated. Today Islam is strong in Gangetic plains; however, Hinduism still dominates. The only thing that is different is that all the Buddhists in the pre-islamic gangetic plains converted to Islam.

Unlike Hinduism that lived among the masses, Buddhism mainly survived and grew as a result of royal patronage (i.e royal power) of Buddhists institutions, monasteries, libraries, and centers of learning. Hinduism did not center around institutions, or royal patronage, or royal patronage that funded institutions. When these institutions and royal patronage that Buddhism depended upon in India got destroyed as a result of Islamic invasions, so did Buddhism. The Buddhists either converted to Islam (as a result of their own free will, inducements, force, or peer pressure) or simply reverted back into Hinduism. Destruction of Hindu temples hardly impacted Hinduism except creating some bitter memories.

Buddhism ended in India because it relied on royal power, when that power got replaced by islamic power, Buddhism got replaced by Islam while Hinduism pretty much remained as is.

And if Hinduism is supposed to be this all encompassing entity and culture that permits diversity of ideas and beliefs, why did Buddhism start let alone establish itself in the Indian subcontinent? It wasn't because Gautam Buddha saw crippled beggars when he ventured outside the palace walls, it was because of the hard-power and hierarchy of cast system imposed "order" and "harmony" (in the language of the CCP cast-system that is prevalent in China).

Hari Seldon wrote: The story every jingo tells himself, I guess. Has the noble jingo cared to consider the (IMVVHO, all-too-realistic) alternative that given another century, they'd have wiped the Indics out using their demonstratbly preferred means used successfully in other contexts -
1. outright genocide as seen with the Red Indians
2. mass starvation and famine engineering as seen repeatedly in Bengal, Bihar and Orissa
3. forced conversions on a brutalized propulation and public tortures - ref. the Portugese in Goa
4. Systematic destruction of the traditional Indic institutions and communitites - ref. Macaulay's grand schemes,
5. Other manner of deceit, inducement, division, etc etc ?

Let's not forget the first war of independence. British hard power was quite successful in destroying the revolt and also the support base of the revolt in the aftermath by killing 1 million people (by conservative estimates) to 10 million people (by liberal estimates) over the 10 years after the revolt. While the revolt failed miserably, the aura of British invincibility was gone. No one in their wildest imagination thought that British power would ever diminish in India before 1857. It took nothing short of a genocide to end the revolt, however the seeds of freedom were laid.

After 1857, British rule in India was based on the deep understanding by Britishers that local religious sentiments and cultural values are not to be messed lest it results into another revolt along the lines of first war of independence. Preventing such upheavels that would challenge briths dominence in India became one of the cornerstones of British rule in India and lead to policy of divide-and-rule in order to destroy the development of any unified front as in the case of 1857. At the same time, the independence movement was based on the deep understanding that hard power would not be able to destroy the British rule in India. Ultimately, it was the combination of eradicating the British support base in India (i.e collaborators) using soft tactics that worked. Leaders are created by people and circumstances and Gandhi was created as a leader by the people and circumstances to deal with the British. Use of hard-power would have only lead only to repeated genocides at the hands of British as well demonstrated in India and other places throughout the world.

So again, the only pupose of hard power is to contain other hard-powers. Any other use of hard-power would lead to unindended consequences and greater problems that would ultimately destroy a civilization from Inside (and the list is endless - Rome and USSR being the primary examples). As for rest, let soft power take its due course.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Aug 2009 17:58

Dhiman wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote: Indonesia was Indic once,. Now no longer. Proof in bold capitals that Indic memes aren't immune or even particularly resistant to systematic erasure. The less said about formerly Indic lands like Afgn, BD and TSP, the better.
Since when did Indonesia become part of the classical Indian civilization?

Well Indonesia passed the Ducktest on classical Indian civilization till it turned to Islam. Even now it fails only one part of the duck test (established organized religion)

I do not know, who as the power to define classical Indian civilization was this far and no further.

Indonesia was classical Indic, period.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Aug 2009 02:56

The other shoe?

India, China armies clash in Sikkim?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Aug 2009 03:02

As I said, something is going down.

Will GoI take the citizenry into confidence? Only question is why have the Chinese escalated at this time. India is status quoist.

There does not seem to be any panicked statements although the C of NS was heard mewling in a rather pathetic attempt to mollify China.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Aug 2009 03:04

Oh those in Karnataka and McLeodganj, please report on the census of young Tibetan males of reserve age.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Aug 2009 11:00

Indian Telecom companies oppose ban on Chinese vendors

Private cellular operators on Friday opposed a potential move by the Government to ban Indian telecom companies from buying equipment from Chinese manufacturers Huawei and ZTE.

In a meeting called by the Department of Telecom to discuss the issue, both GSM and CDMA players told the Government that a ban on Chinese vendors would be detrimental to their business as most operators have a procurement deal with Huawei and ZTE.

While the DoT did not take a decision on the matter on Friday, it will now consult the Ministry of Home Affairs before taking the next step.

The DoT had proposed to impose a ban on Chinese vendors in 20 circles, considered to be sensitive with international borders with unfriendly countries.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 29 Aug 2009 11:17

why did Buddhism start let alone establish itself in the Indian subcontinent? It wasn't because Gautam Buddha saw crippled beggars when he ventured outside the palace walls, it was because of the hard-power and hierarchy of cast system imposed "order" and "harmony"

How old do you think the "caste system" and its "heirarchy" and "hard power" is?

Raj Malhotra · Post by **Raj Malhotra** » 29 Aug 2009 11:41

SSridhar wrote:Indian Telecom companies oppose ban on Chinese vendors

Note The DoT had initially proposed that vendors should hand over the network back to the operators after two years. But cellular operators raised concerns on such a move and told the DoT that outsourcing network management has become part of the low-cost business model in India and reversing it could have major ramifications on the tariffs offered to the consumers.

BSNL has already awarded the world's biggest contract to Chinese companies after dis-qualifying European majors on technical grounds. And this equipment will be maintained practically for ever by China.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 29 Aug 2009 12:57

Some people will sell their mothers in the name of profit. History is so full of it including Indian history. Are there no Indian companies making such equipments? This is extremely crazy.
Avram

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Aug 2009 14:42

Why is there no boycott of BSNL? Why are there no protests against their move?

Should DoT concede on this issue, then this Government has lost the last hairs of its lost balls.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 29 Aug 2009 15:07

Raj Malhotra wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Indian Telecom companies oppose ban on Chinese vendors

Note The DoT had initially proposed that vendors should hand over the network back to the operators after two years. But cellular operators raised concerns on such a move and told the DoT that outsourcing network management has become part of the low-cost business model in India and reversing it could have major ramifications on the tariffs offered to the consumers.
BSNL has already awarded the world's biggest contract to Chinese companies after dis-qualifying European majors on technical grounds. And this equipment will be maintained practically for ever by China.

CHinese companys' offer is only 1/3 of the european's counterpart with the same quality

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Aug 2009 16:28

Liu wrote:Chinese company's offer is only 1/3 of the European's counterpart with the same quality

China's services should be restricted to non-critical systems.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Aug 2009 17:30

Raj Malhotra wrote:BSNL has already awarded the world's biggest contract to Chinese companies after dis-qualifying European majors on technical grounds. And this equipment will be maintained practically for ever by China.

Raj, are you sure about that ? From the article I posted,

Chinese vendors have been blacklisted already by State-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd after the Intelligence Bureau asked the operator not to buy equipment from Huawei or ZTE. In the recent 93-million-line GSM contract, BSNL refused to give orders to Huawei in the West Zone despite it being the lowest bidder.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Aug 2009 17:34

Liu wrote:CHinese companys' offer is only 1/3 of the european's counterpart with the same quality

Liu, it is *NOT* the quality (though you claim it as equal to European companies because I recently overheard a 6-year old say 'If it breaks, it is Made in China') or the price that we are concerned about here. It is security that we are concerned about. All said and done, China's actions vis-a-vis India have been inimical for the last 50 years. While it doesn't matter for certain types of trade, certain others will be sensitive and cannot be allowed.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Aug 2009 20:44

Dell says China, India to drive revenue

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Aug 2009 20:45

India and China to be part of solution on climate change: US

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Aug 2009 20:47

India's China Problem

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Aug 2009 23:03

Better late than never?

India to probe security of China-made telecoms: Minister

Prasanth · Post by **Prasanth** » 30 Aug 2009 13:19

SSridhar wrote:
Liu wrote:CHinese companys' offer is only 1/3 of the european's counterpart with the same quality
Liu, it is *NOT* the quality (though you claim it as equal to European companies because I recently overheard a 6-year old say 'If it breaks, it is Made in China') or the price that we are concerned about here. It is security that we are concerned about. All said and done, China's actions vis-a-vis India have been inimical for the last 50 years. While it doesn't matter for certain types of trade, certain others will be sensitive and cannot be allowed.

Why are we even buying Chinese when the quality is bad? Can't we use domestic products! For god's sake, sometimes I feel we are being screwed big time by these industriwallahs. We as consumers should dictate them to boycott Chinese and buy Indian.

I remember years back CDoT was doing a fine job producing comm equipment..any updates?