Tracking Errors in Defence reporting

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 01 Aug 2009 07:27

One is a Wing Commander, the other is a Squadron Leader (Jain). No trainee pilots involved.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 01 Aug 2009 08:36

Damn! Two good men lost. May their souls rest in peace.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Aug 2009 07:49

Vikramaditya is a 'she'

Ironically, the country, which refers its supreme commander of the armed forces - the president - as 'Rashtrapati or husband of the nation, despite being a woman, also follows the same

Yaa, Pati means husband.

Like Senapati - who would be the husband of all the men in his command. Or prajapati - who would be the husband of his subjects.

I think vanaspati means "Husband of Dalda"

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 15 Aug 2009 02:57

Independence Day security

The caption for pic 1 says:

NSG sharpshooters seen here will be deployed on the high rises...

None of the guys there has a sniper rifle.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 18 Aug 2009 02:27

Hornet Trials Begin

The official, however, declined to reveal who piloted the twin-seater aircraft or reveal details of the flight operations, including ground tests. Boeing has taken the aircraft on lease from the US Air Force for the trials.

Should be US Navy.

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 18 Aug 2009 05:21

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Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 30 Aug 2009 08:41

RPF commandos at CST

Dressed in black, they made their presence felt at the historic terminus on Thursday where they patrolled with Insas guns.

Based on pics in the Special Forces thread it seems to be the AK and not the INSAS.

Each commando will work for six hours a day and will have to keep fit. It is compulsory for them to train at the gum for two hours.

Complete lack of proof reading. 'u' and 'y' being next to each other a typo is left as it is. Shabby!

VikB · Post by **VikB** » 01 Sep 2009 12:14

Has anybody seen 'Kaminey' - the movie. There a gun has been described as being INSAS. To my eyes it didnt look like INSAS (I have fired from one). Can anybody clarify?

I am adding a new chapter to this thread - adding wrong movie depiction to the DDM genre

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Sep 2009 00:51

it could be the INSAS with scope from what little I've seen but the weight and range as mentioned are clearly wrong.

it says weight 6.37 kg, range 700 m.

actual :

Weight 4.25 kg (9.4 lb) empty
4.6 kg (10.1 lb) loaded
Effective range 450 m

just the scope can't account for that difference.

p.s. saw it again, it is the INSAS.

VikB · Post by **VikB** » 03 Sep 2009 09:40

^^^ Thanks Rahul. I was thoroughly confused while watching the scene in the movie.
Good to know that the director of the movie is somewhat better than the DDM. 6.37-4.6=1.77 kg - could it be the weight of the scope?

In some oblique way it also means that 'probably' the INSAS is now available in the grey market.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 03 Sep 2009 11:08

IAF deploys Sukhoi-M K30

M K-30?

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 04 Sep 2009 08:16

^^ Our DDM is not used to using search engines. Or maybe they dont have internet access. But anyways, over the course or years they have endowed the IAF with many different versions of Sukhoi aircraft. And we thought we only had the MKI.

saptarishi · Post by **saptarishi** » 07 Sep 2009 00:21

http://www.forceindia.net/showfeaturereport3.aspx

Back in New Delhi, senior IAF officials confirmed that the case for Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for 50 additional Su-30MKI has been sent to the defence ministry. (This is over and above the earlier 40 Su-30MKI being sought from Russia. With 230 aircraft to be assembled by HAL, the IAF will now have a total of 320 Su-30MKI aircraft.)

instead of 320 su-30mki,,it should be 280,,,
50initially ordered
140 to be produced here
40 ordered in 2007
50 now being ordered
adds up tp 280 not 320

pmund · Post by **pmund** » 08 Sep 2009 00:02

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news ... 979682.cms

Hasn't DRDO perfected UBGL for INSAS? How close is the story to the facts??? And about the punching power of 5.56 mm, isn't it more advantageous to go in with more ammo and put three bullets in a neat circle rather than lug around fewer 7.62 mm ammo? If someone is hiding behind a brick wall would it make any difference if I have an INSAS or an AK?? Why not arm everyone with RPGs. More stopping power!!

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 11 Sep 2009 03:31

I don't know where else to put it, so I am putting it here.

In this article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Histo ... /Soni.html

In the 2nd last line of the 2nd paragraph it says "intested" instead of "infested" which really ruins the pleasure of reading such a juicy article.

I hope the gods, I beg your pardon -the mods- of BR would fix this problem because typos on such articles are very unpleasant.

Haria · Post by **Haria** » 22 Sep 2009 14:49

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/ ... thanam.htm

....
In 1998, Santhanam was in charge of of mission of setting up a vast array of seismic instrumentation inside and on the surface outside of the 110 km deep shafts at the bottom of which the thermonuclear device was detonated.
.....

Some people never learn. To bore a shaft 110 km deep inside earth safely -- I wonder if such tech exists at all.
Another glorious example of DDM.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 22 Sep 2009 14:54

So the truth is out, the dug a 100 km deep shaft, no wonder no crater was formed

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 02 Oct 2009 10:53

Okay, I have a good one
Indian Navy boosts domestic industry

In the naval aviation field, a light combat aircraft produced by Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics – an indigenous public-sector company – has been approved for induction, with orders for six aircraft. The aircraft is a version of the Russian-built Sukhoi MK1.

What are we talking about?

The commissioning of India’s first nuclear-powered submarine, the INS Arihant, in July,

This one's not so new ..

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Oct 2009 11:07

ha, you missed some.

In addition, the multirole Shivalik-class frigate with stealth features is the first such warship built in India. It is made by the Mumbai-based Mazagaon Dock Limited, a public sector company. The navy will induct 17 of these frigates, planned for manufacture in various batches. The lead vessel is scheduled for commissioning in November.

so P17 == 17 will be inducted !

Project Seabird, an initiative to develop a blue water navy – a maritime force capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans – was envisioned by Dawson during the same time but adopted only in the late 1990s.

project seabird is an initiative to develop a naval base to substitute mumbai, not a project to develop blue water navy which is a much larger program without any particular name.

in any case, you can see where the fellow copy+pasted from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Kadamba

"Project Seabird" was an initiative of the Indian Navy to develop a blue water navy and to acquire strategic depth. The project was first envisioned by the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Oscar Stanley Dawson during the 1980s. However, the initiative was adopted in 1999, under the tenure of Defence Minister, George Fernandes, who spearheaded a new drive to realise the project.

The first phase was completed in 2005 with the construction of a new naval base at Karwar in Karnataka state. Other maritime bases under the project in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Lakshadweep are well into their completion phases in 2009.

A&N bases are not under project seabird.

.......heavy lift anti-submarine warfare Commando helicopters.......

that's an oxymoron if I ever saw one !

the most shocking bit yet :

(Captain Devindra Sethi is an alumnus of India's National Defense Academy, the College of Defense Management, the College of Naval Warfare, and the War College in St. Petersburg, Russia. He is a successful entrepreneur in the maritime industry and fluent in English, Russian and Hindi. ©Copyright Devindra Sethi.)

somehow, I really doubt this is true.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 05 Oct 2009 19:49

Upcoming Missile Tests

strategic experts feel the DRDO will definitely try to show India's mighty (might) which it claims is much superior in contemporary world.

What does this mean, if anything?

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 06 Oct 2009 07:13

VijayKumarSinha wrote:I don't know where else to put it, so I am putting it here.

In this article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Histo ... /Soni.html

In the 2nd last line of the 2nd paragraph it says "intested" instead of "infested" which really ruins the pleasure of reading such a juicy article.

I hope the gods, I beg your pardon -the mods- of BR would fix this problem because typos on such articles are very unpleasant.

Not making any excuses but shivs OCR software is to blame

will fix it in due course.

vijyeta · Post by **vijyeta** » 09 Oct 2009 00:38

White hot fluke....

http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-ne ... icle4.aspx

Refer to caption for photo 11 -

"Indian Air Force's Mirage 2000 leaves flukes while presenting ........"

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 09 Oct 2009 04:49

I take your Mirage and raise you a Mikoyan Jaguar

http://ibnlive.in.com/pix/slideshow/10- ... 10_630.jpg
Indian Air Force's Jaguar aircraft leaves flukes as it presents an air show during the IAF Day Parade.
http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/1515 ... view_start

vijyeta · Post by **vijyeta** » 09 Oct 2009 07:21

Jagan wrote:I take your Mirage and raise you a Mikoyan Jaguar ...

Ha !
DDM is showing consistency, this ain't no FLUKE then

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 11 Nov 2009 16:33

I dont know what happened to the DDM watch thread, but misidentification weapons, aircraft, etc is a special trait of our DDM. So, I found this picture accurately states the state of affairs:

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Nov 2009 19:30

Great post yar You should have put few MBT's and some fighters also as AK 47's

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 11 Nov 2009 19:43

ASPuar wrote:I dont know what happened to the DDM watch thread, but misidentification weapons, aircraft, etc is a special trait of our DDM. So, I found this picture accurately states the state of affairs:
http://www.fmft.net/journalists%20guide ... K%2047.jpg

ROTFL.. good one .. Can we extend it to our Film industry as well?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Nov 2009 20:14

cross post

Gagan wrote:Meanwhile a curious news report from Zee News with a new geographical location - the "Malkha State".
Bismillah farmaiye:
A chain of radars, AIS to block sea route for terrorists
Panaji: A chain of radars and Automatic Identification System (AIS) would be deployed along the coast by next year to block the sea route for terrorists, a top official said.

"To tighten the security and ensure that no attempts are made by terrorists to use the sea route, the Indian Coast Guard has been given responsibility along with Director General Light Houses for establishing a chain of radars and Automatic Identification System along the coast," Vice Admiral Sanjeev Bhasin, Flag officer commanding in chief (western Naval command) told reporters here.

...

Bhasin said the coast guard and marine police would expedite the pending orders for the ships in various shipyards.

...

Talking about the high seas piracy, he said the threat is becoming very complicated. "If you remember few years ago, the only piracy was in the Malakha state . Now the threat has suddenly emerged in the gulf of Eden and in the vicinity of Somalia where large number of ships from different nations are operating," Bhasin said.
Malacca Straits and Gulf of Aden.
Such is the standard of reporting in the news outlets in India.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 16 Nov 2009 01:06

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/unmanned-aer ... 292-3.html

AIR ALLY: The UAVs will provide flexible surveillance, reconnaissance capability. (Pic: representative)

Dudes, putting a picture of a vintage Canberra and calling it representative of a UAV just does not cut it

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 16 Nov 2009 23:05

http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage ... su-35.html
I guess someone forgot to gave this fellow the memo - SU-35 AIN'T PART OF THE MMRCA!!

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 25 Nov 2009 23:48

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=11953

India’s President Pratibha Patil, the commander-in-chief of India’s armed forces, boarded a Russia-manufactured Su-30MKI jet of the Indian Air Force at the Lohegaon air base in Pune, for a unique thirty-minute flight. She is now not only India’s first woman president, but also the first president to have made a flight on board of supersonic warplane.

Clearly Dr. Kalam is out of sight and mind.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 26 Nov 2009 10:06

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 270335.cms

Police recovered arms and ammunition including one self loading rifle, one 3.3 rifle and a digital pistol.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 27 Nov 2009 19:26

Zee News:Tests on air launch version of BrahMos to be over by 2012

The missile has the capability to travel three times faster than the speed of light, he said.

Anoop. A. · Post by **Anoop. A.** » 27 Nov 2009 21:40

Brahmos has a maximum speed of Mach 2.7, which is approximated to Mach 3..........3 times the speed of SOUND

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Nov 2009 21:42

shravan wrote:Zee News:Tests on air launch version of BrahMos to be over by 2012

The missile has the capability to travel three times faster than the speed of light, he said.

no no-bell ?

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 27 Nov 2009 21:49

http://www.thehindu.com/2009/07/04/stor ... 610800.htm

At the end. MP-5 "rifle"

We actually don't need a humour thread here. This thread serves both purposes

abhishekm · Post by **abhishekm** » 10 Dec 2009 23:19

atreya wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/2009/07/04/stor ... 610800.htm

At the end. MP-5 "rifle"
We actually don't need a humour thread here. This thread serves both purposes

Another unintentionally humourous article, this time from CNN-IBN which claims that the Indian Navy's aircraft carrier travels underwater!!!

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/after-touchi ... ml?from=tn

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 11 Dec 2009 03:25

^^ You missed these gems.

New Delhi: After she took to the skies in an Indian Air Forcer Sukhoi fighter jet in November, President Pratibha Patil is likely to have an underwater odyssey amid plans to set sail this month-end on INS Viraat.

Virat, which is India’s sole aircraft carried, crossed the golden jubilee milestone on November 18 this year.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Dec 2009 09:27

shameekg wrote:^^ You missed these gems.

Also

Patil went up to the height of over 8,000 feet as a co-pilot in the plane which was commandeered by Wing Commander S Sajjan of Pune-based 30 ‘Rhinos’ squadron.

i.e the plane was supposed to be flown by someone else and Wingo Sajjan comandeered the plane.

Pathetic reporting standards.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Dec 2009 09:40

shravan wrote:Zee News:Tests on air launch version of BrahMos to be over by 2012

The missile has the capability to travel three times faster than the speed of light, he said.

ISS Brahmos at Warp 3!!!