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Andre Gerolymatos chronicles the deep-seated and longstanding terrorist supporting doctrine of the Pakistan Army in the Vancouver Sun.

Bearing in mind the Pakistan’s Army motto of “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah” or “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the way of Allah”, it comes as no surprise that Andre Gerolymatos characterises the Pakistan Army as “the medium by which political Islam is rapidly taking over the country” and concludes that “it is clear that Pakistan’s intelligence establishment has become a fellow traveler of political Islam”:
Political Islam And Pakistan’s Intelligence Service

By Andre Gerolymatos 08-18-2009 ..........................

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_I_ to Pukis
PAF begins drone planes production
The system will be used mainly for aerial reconnaissance and information gathering, although the PAF will later also induct UAVs equipped with weapon systems to carry out offensive operations.
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Dmurphy wrote:_I_ to Pukis
PAF begins drone planes production
The system will be used mainly for aerial reconnaissance and information gathering, although the PAF will later also induct UAVs equipped with weapon systems to carry out offensive operations.
That is the Galileo Falco
http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/file ... /FALCO.pdf
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X-posted...
RayC wrote:
Cold-starting Pakistan
Thursday, January 22, 2009
By Ikram Sehgal
"Cold Start" is the Indian military doctrine meant to allow rapid deployment Special Forces units "to strike Pakistan within hours of any terrorist attack on Indian soil. It assumes that militants from Pakistan, and not home grown Indian radicals, are responsible for any actions". Such a rapid response would not allow time for diplomacy, Stephen Cohen, who helped India in the formulation process, maintains "cold start" was developed with the help of external strategists, borrowing heavily from Israeli tactics, notably from the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

The assumptions of the new Indian Doctrine are: (1) to act offensively against Pakistan for any perceived acts of strategic destabilisation of India, proxy war and terrorism (2) move away from India's defensive mindset of last 50 years (3) prepare to undertake offensive military operations at the outset (4) undertake offensive operations short of the nuclear threshold (5) vast majority of Indian public will support any war putting Pakistan into place and forces it "to desist from proxy war and terrorism against India."

Pakistan's assumptions about cold start are: (1) offensive operations commencing without giving Pakistan time to bring diplomacy into play and (2) such offensive operations will not cross the nuclear threshold or prompt Pakistan into crossing it. India implies that, should Pakistan opt for crossing the threshold, the onus would lie squarely on Pakistan. The assumptions by New Delhi are dangerous: (1) the ability to hold limited portions of Pakistan with military might and (2) use this for political leverage against Pakistan. Holding of Pakistani territory will be unacceptable, triggering a ground war as well as a possible nuclear exchange.

Exercise Vajra Shakti further developed the cold start doctrine. "Against the backdrop of a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare threat from Pakistan, Special Forces were employed in pre-emptive strikes for furtherance of offensive operations by a Pivot Corps employing an infantry division, armoured regiments and an independent mechanised brigade from its own resources. Envisaging swift, day and night operations, offensive strikes were supported by advanced C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Intelligence) network and systems, including establishment of a Force Multiplication Command Post for integration and flow of real-time information to combat units, collected by satellites, UAVs, aerial reconnaissance, radar networks, communication intercepts etc. Digital photographs of "the enemy areas" were transmitted real time to forward combat units, facilitating speedy decision-making by Commanders, the commencement of network-centric warfare in the Indian Army. Information-dominance of the battlefield was practiced by use of electronic warfare systems. The Indian Aerospace Force (IAF) role was paramount, providing 130 sorties for this Exercise in reconnaissance, fighter aircraft strikes, attack helicopter and Special Forces operations. "With lessons learnt in Ex Vajra Shakti, the other pivot corps of the Indian Army were similarly exercised."

Rumours are afloat about a game plan where India will conduct surgical strikes against "known" terrorist camps, and Pakistan will helpfully turn the other cheek. Our rather helpless response to daily "Predator" attacks, bluster rather than any substance, has given weight to this belief. Bob Woodward's book "Bush at War" describes how, agonising over how to convince Pakistan, the US hierarchy was nonplussed by Pervez Musharraf's "ready and willing" acceptance of all seven US demands without even a murmur. Was diplomatic pressure recently brought on Pakistan to fall in line in the "supreme" interest of the "war against terrorism," the logic being that since only "terrorist" targets were to be engaged this was in "Pakistan's interest"? Wonder of wonders, for once we did not roll over and play dead! Our rulers probably calculated that the people of Pakistan would give them short shift.

Initiating preliminary actions of their "Cold Start" Doctrine, the IAF was geared into a "first strike" mode. Picked up by our intelligence, the PAF responded by a "show of force" on "high alert." A dense fog then engulfed most areas of the likely military options. During this time-lag some strategic reserves were extricated from FATA and rushed eastwards, that "window of opportunity" for India passed. Mere coincidence that three Strike Corps are in "winter collective exercise" mode in the Rajasthan Desert? That too carrying their first- and second-line ammunition? Movement of their Amphibious Brigade and dumping of fuel for forward deployment of troop-lifting helicopters has also been detected.

Pakistan's history is replete with strategic blunders of monumental stupidity, we have only been saved by tactical successes achieved by the great sacrifices and outstanding bravery of our soldiers, sailors and airmen, those who have actually taken part in action, and not just talked about it. Some morons thought up the "Defence of the East lies in the West," and we left East Pakistan defenceless. Subsequently some more morons came up with the "Afghanistan gives us strategic depth" concept and we are now in trouble up to our eyeballs on our western borders. Those who think that "the defence of the South lies in the North," i.e., putting the bulk of our Armed Forces protecting our main population centres and communication in the Punjab and AK, may be theoretically correct in a long-drawn-out war, in the short Indo-Pak version it is stupid, monumentally stupid, particularly in the face of the known Indian deployment.

To quote my article on the 2002 crisis, "Talk of a limited Indian offensive across the LoC in "hot pursuit" or the targeting of Mujahideen training camps in Azad Kashmir means to contain the battleground to Kashmir, the premise being that all the other Strike Corps are then positioned to go on the offensive if Pakistan does not opt for limited war and goes on an all-out offensive. With all 3 Armoured Divisions and 4 RAPID Divisions, with 2 out of 5 Independent Armoured Brigades concentrated in Rajasthan, the resource allocation makes the offensive targets obvious, either along the Jaisalmer-Rahimyar Khan axis or along the Barmer-Mirpurkhas axis. No ground offensive being possible in the desert without heavy air cover, their air deployment suggests that the focus of attack could well be in the deep south (Western and Southern Commands), the same principle applying for a combined heliborne, para and/or amphibious operation. Both the Indian Strike Corps have been reinforced with additional Divisions with integral Helicopter Attack Squadrons, Engineer, Artillery and Air Defence Brigades. Jodhpur has a concentration of heavylift MI-8/M-17 helicopters, could be supplemented by the 50th Independent Parachute Brigade air-lifted by AN-32s from Agra, attempting helicopter troop transportation/amphibious LST landings with XXI Strike Corps going for a link-up. The Indians have been practicing this. The area between Badin and Sajawal east of the Indus thus becomes vulnerable."

My recent article was based on their 2002 ORBAT, a number of my friends corrected me that this was outdated, the Indians had restructured their ORBAT in 2005. Not surprisingly, the "South-Western Command" was created at Jaipur, in line with the IAF's existing South-Western Command. Western Command has an additional 9 Corps created at Yo1 and RAPID Divisions have increased from 4 to 5, all concentrated in the Rajasthan Desert. Furthermore a new Artillery Division has been raised. Their likely main thrust remains the deep South Barmer-Mirpurkhas axis with secondary effort in the Jaisalmer-Rahimyarkhan area. The "COLD START" Doctrine is in keeping with the likely fulcrum of their offensive.

As night turns into day, the Indians will put their main effort in the deep South. 18 Div was almost overwhelmed in 1971. Two brigades of 33 Div were force-marched from the Rahimyarkhan area to stem the rot. Only the outstanding courage of individual unit commanders like Lt Col (later Brig) Mohammad Taj, S J & Bar (44 Punjab now 4 Sindh), saved Pakistan when "the barbarians were at the gate" in Chhor and Umerkot on Dec 12, 1971. Taj was symbolic of many brave officers who went up and down the line in the Thar Desert exhorting the rank and file, the line held. It was touch and go for a couple of days! Later, no one did more than Lt Gen Lehrasab Khan as Commmander 5 Corps for improving our defences in the area but even his soldierly persistence did not succeed penetrating military obduracy to get the resources in men and material required for the Chhor-Badin-Sujawal area. Kayani must ensure that this time around we have enough in the Thar Desert and the adjacent coast. Our existence is a zero-sum situation, can we afford to take chances?



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Cold Start Pakistan perspective
A bit dated, but good for info as to what the Pakistani think!
Can we cross check his facts with Mag Gen Sukhwant Singh's books and the battle honors book?
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The first thing i always wonder is why some people of our padosi desh have Indian last names. :|
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^^^^ This alone should have told our padosis of our common origin which they vehmently deny.
Sindh and Punjab were two provinces that were divided in 1947. The people from these two areas have lot in common on either side of the border.
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VikB wrote:^^^^ This alone should have told our padosis of our common origin which they vehmently deny.
Sindh and Punjab were two provinces that were divided in 1947. The people from these two areas have lot in common on either side of the border.

:(( yes VikB. Sehgal is a common punjabi name. I have Indian friends with that name. At some point in history...and now we are fighting them.

There is only so much i can hate the pakistanis when I come across things like this.

Also, is it just me or has anyone has noticed a distinct difference between Pakistani's from Karachis and those from other parts of Pakistan?

Our story is sadder than the Jews and the Arabs. Stuff like this always reminds of a few lines from the '4th branch' by 'immortal technique':

"Flow like the blood of Abraham through the Jews and the Arabs
Broken apart like a woman's heart, abused in a marriage"
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TFTA Pakistan Army taking lessons from SDRE Sri Lankan Army :shock: :
pgbhat wrote:Sri Lanka to train Pak army
The government of Pakistan wants the Sri Lankan military to train its personnel in counter-insurgency operations, the Commander of the Sri Lankan Army, Lt-Gen Jagath Jayasuriya, told journalists on Thursday.

He said several other countries had also sought information about the strategy and tactics adopted by the Sri Lankan armed forces to decimate the LTTE in just three years of intense fighting.

Pakistan helped Sri Lanka fight the LTTE by supplying arms when other countries had put an embargo on arms sales to the country.

Adm Wasantha Karannagoda, a former naval chief who is currently the National Security Adviser, had said at an international naval seminar in the UK that the strategies and tactics used by the Sri Lankan navy to tackle the LTTE’s naval arm could be of use to other navies because in the conflicts of the future navies would be facing not battleships and destroyers but small and fast boats of non-state rogue navies which could be indulging in insurgencies, piracies and trafficking of various kinds.
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PAF begins drone planes production Pak Air Force has formally started the production of pilotless drone planes in collaboration with an Italian company, Geo News reported Thursday.

According to details issued by the PAF, the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra has commenced producing the pilotless planes Falco UAV in collaboration with Selex Galileo of Italy.

Aeronautical Complex chief Air Marshal Farhat Hussain said pilotless Falco UAV highly important for the country’s defence, adding the production of the planes will greatly add to the professional capabilities of PAF.

Farhat said Pakistan is now a member of the club of countries manufacturing drone planes.

The system will be used mainly for aerial reconnaissance and information gathering, although the PAF will later also induct UAVs equipped with weapon systems to carry out offensive operations.
http://idrw.org/?p=571#more-571
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Two very huge reasons why the SLA won against the LTTE:-
a. They could openly use all the firepower they could muster without caring a damn about the collateral damage.
b. LTTE fought them on assymetric terms...i.e they were masters at guerilla warfare but fought the SLA like a conventional force thus giving up their edge.

In our context (a) we cannot do for obvious reasons but PUKI forces are doing it with impunity :evil: and therefore are interested in their tactics. Period!!!
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P-tani's, are trying to find new venues for advancement of their relations with India's traditional allies. I think Sri Lankans are wise enough to realize what a menace the nation of Pakistan is to the whole world and this region. If it keeps aligning itself with Pakistan in this way, it is just a matter of time before the Islamic fundamentalist from Pakistan infect the muslim population in Sri Lanka too.

Pakistani's have also been trying to hump russia's leg in an attempt to make it throw a bone at them. Russia I think understands their actions only too well. This is the nation that was responsible for the terrorist activities happening in Chechnya. My understanding is that Russians have long memories too and they havn't forgotten which country was responsible for their problems in Afghanistan.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... -with.html

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the deal could reflect an existing arrangement with an undisclosed customer - known to be Pakistan, where five systems consisting of 25 Falcos including spare flight units and ground control stations have been sold. Two systems are now in service, with another two having been delivered and the fifth's final assembly taking place in-country.
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VijayKumarSinha wrote:
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Also, is it just me or has anyone has noticed a distinct difference between Pakistani's from Karachis and those from other parts of Pakistan?

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Can you elaborate? What difference you referring to?
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Details on Pakistan’s defence budget:
Defence budget details provided to parliament

Monday, 24 Aug, 2009 | 08:49 PM PST |

………………… Rs148 billion out of total defence budget allocations of Rs342 billion would go to Pakistan army. Over Rs82 billion would be spent on the salaries and other expenses of the army. More than Rs25 billion have been kept aside for operational expenses. They will include over Rs4 billion for travel and transportation, over Rs20 billion for general expenses.

………………… A sum of over Rs80 billion has been earmarked for air force in the defence budget. Over Rs12.33 billion will be spent on the salaries and other expenses of air force personnel and Rs16.75 billion on operational preparedness.

……………… Rs38.1 billion have been allocated for navy out of overall defence budget. A sum of Rs8.15 billion has been earmarked for the salaries and other allowances in respect of the officials of Navy …………….

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... s/506855/0

India artillery upgrade stuck, Pak gets howitzers from US
Pakistan recently received a batch of 67 self-propelled artillery guns from the US using War against Terror funds granted by Washington.

Latest United Nations data reveal that delivery of the M-109 A5 155mm self-propelled artillery guns took place last year. The guns were transferred under the US Foreign Military Financing (FMF) programme that was granted to Pakistan for the fight against militant groups on its border with Afghanistan.
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X Posted.

The Pakistan Army's Army's doctrine does not prevent it from seeking monetary support from terrorist groups.

Al Qaeda funded the Pakistan Army’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to destabilise Benazir Bhutto’s government in 1988.:
Friday, August 28, 2009

Al Qaeda funded ISI to destabilise Benazir’s govt: former FIA official

* Mumtaz says Osama bin Laden paid millions of dollars to ISI

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: The Al Qaeda funded the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to destabilise the Benazir Bhutto’s government in 1988, a private TV channel quoted former Federal Investigation Agency director Malik Mumtaz as saying on Thursday.

According to the channel, Mumtaz said former premier Nawaz Sharif, former ISI chief General (r) Asad Durrani, Brigadier (r) Imtiaz and Major (r) Amir allegedly hatched the plot against BB’s government. ...........................

Daily Times
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shravan wrote:U.S. Accuses Pakistan of Altering Missiles

WASHINGTON — The United States has accused Pakistan of illegally modifying American-made missiles to expand its capability to strike land targets, a potential threat to India, according to senior administration and Congressional officials.
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The accusation comes at a particularly delicate time, when the administration is asking Congress to approve $7.5 billion in aid to Pakistan over the next five years, and when Washington is pressing a reluctant Pakistani military to focus its attentions on fighting the Taliban, rather than expanding its nuclear and conventional forces aimed at India.
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the photograph would clearly explain what the statement means 'Designed to hit insignificant target' 8)
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Pakistani modifies Harpoon missile to attack land targets http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-ac ... le/508966/
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Haria wrote:Pakistani modifies Harpoon missile to attack land targets http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-ac ... le/508966/
Wow! They could do THAT?
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Maybe Chinese helped them....who knows??..they might have repeated the Tomahawk story...
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Pentagon is more more worried that chinese have modified the harpoon and this is just the tip of the iceberg, they are also worried abt f16s , M's being altered in a big way after all IP rights are at stake

they are least bothered abt TSPA and need a person to blame.
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Pentagon perhaps discovered the genetic orgins of Babur :-?
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1965 Indo-Pak war - The guns of August
Some of the writing about the Indo-Pakistan war of September 1965 borders on mythology. It is no surprise that generations of Pakistanis continue to believe that India was the aggressor and that one Pakistani soldier was equal to 10 Indian soldiers.
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Haria wrote:Pakistani modifies Harpoon missile to attack land targets http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-ac ... le/508966/
OK here's a question: If the Harpoon is an anti-ship missile and Taliban has no navy, then who else were they supposed to use it against but Indian navy? And now that they've modified it to use it against land based targets, then there's a better chance that it'll be used against the Pakibans! :rotfl:
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The Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, setting aside the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, subjects its minority Pashtun to torture and summary execution :

Deutsche Presse-Agentur :
Bodies of 30 Taliban found in Pakistan's Swat valley

South Asia News
Aug 31, 2009, 14:07 GMT

Islamabad - The bodies of 30 Taliban were found on Monday in Pakistan's restive Swat valley, a day after a suicide bomber killed 16 police recruits in the same region.
A spokesman for the Pakistan Army said the militants were killed during clashes with the security forces.

But the locals suspected they were summarily executed by the troops who have been fighting with Islamist militants in Swat, located some 140 kilometres north-west of the capital Islamabad, for three months.

The locals found the bullet-ridden bodies lying along the streets in Banjot and two nearby areas in Charbagh sub-district on Monday morning, said local journalist Fayyaz Zafar.

'Our troops launched an operation after the suicide bombing and exchanged fire with the militants in these areas,' Colonel Akhtar Abbas, an army spokesman in Swat, told reporters. 'The clashes left 30 Taliban dead and one soldier was martyred.'

But a resident from Banjot said at least three of the bodies he saw bore signs of torture. 'There were no weapons near the corpses which clearly show that they did not die in a fight,' said the local who spoke on condition of anonymity fearing reprisal from the authorities. …………………

DPA via M&C

That brings me back to a variation of the question I had earlier posed in another thread.

Why does the Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan think it acceptable to wage war on the Pashtun during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan while it was previously claimed by a head of the same military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that it was not acceptable for the US to wage war on the Pashtun during Ramadan ?:
Musharraf: Ramadan strikes risk Muslim backlash

November 7, 2001 Posted: 9:02 AM EST (1402 GMT)

...................... “The attacks should not go on during Ramadan because that would have very negative effects on the Muslim world," .....................

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India wary as Pakistan pushes for lend-lease plan for arms with US

Can Pakistan persuade the US to revive its famous World War II "lend-lease" programme to assist Pakistan's army access sophisticated
weaponry?

According to sources, the beleaguered Pakistan president Asif Zardari is looking for ways to make himself more attractive to an increasingly hostile and powerful army, which he apparently believes is out to oust him from his position.

India has alerted the US to a move by Zardari's business cronies and some lobbyists to ask the Pentagon to sanction a unique "lend-lease" facility for military equipment for Pakistan army. This would be quite apart from the counter-insurgency equipment that the US already gives to Pakistan, which includes helicopters, night vision goggles etc.

In the backdrop of recent US reports that Pakistan is diverting US military aid to target India, the new attempts are significant, sources said.

The last time the US did a "lend-lease" programme, it was World War II and it supplied the UK, China, France and even Soviet Union with "war materials" between 1941 and 1945. The UK repaid the last of its debts on this score only by 2006.

For a US willing to "reward" Pakistan for a good job done, this could be tempting. If the US agrees — though there are no signs yet that it might — it would be unprecedented, said diplomatic sources, monitoring developments between US and Pakistan, but India would have serious concerns.

India has asked the US to monitor military aid to Pakistan, particularly since Pakistan has used US counter-terror aid to buy conventional military equipment against India.

Between 2002 and 2008, these include P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, about 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, six C-130E transport aircraft and 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, as well as F-16 armaments including AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and 2,000-pound bombs, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, among other things.

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Hey Guys,

Was just thinking in light of the new disclosures, what is the chance that the RAAD and BAbur were just modified Harpoons.
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RAAD and BARBUR are air breathing cruise missiles ; Harpoon is rocket powered .
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^^^
The Harpoon air breathing too, only has an initial rocket booster.
Anyway the other day one of the news channels had typo/spelling error putting it as 'Haroon' (p missing).
may be they should call it that :wink:
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news ... 961056.cms

Pakistan rapidly ramping up India-specific nuclear arsenal
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negi wrote:RAAD and BABUR are air breathing cruise missiles ................
reading the names of the TSP weapons, reminds me of JCage who had uncovered the secret behind the nomenclature used for naming TSP's indigenous stuffs :D
I miss JCage posts, :( anyone knows where is he.
or is he here with new name?
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Arming Pakistan is our national interest: US(conditions apply)

India was screwed up
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X Posted.

Does this killing of Muslims during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan by the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan accord with their operational doctrine and also conform to the bit in their motto that says “Jihad fi Sabilillah”, or translated, “Jihad in the way of Allah”?

43 militants killed in Khyber Agency
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US embassy plans spur concern in Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: America’s plans for a major expansion of its diplomatic presence in Pakistan, including the possible takeover of a bombed luxury hotel near the Taliban heartland, have heightened tensions and bred rumors in a population rife with anti-US sentiment, AP reports.

Among the tales being floated: that 1,000 US Marines will land in the capital, that Americans will set up a Guantanamo-style prison and that the infamous security contractor once called Blackwater will come in and wreak havoc.

The frenzy, much of it whipped up by the media and political parties, shows the difficulties for the US as it seeks to increase its engagement in a country where a flourishing militant movement is threatening the war effort in neighboring Afghanistan.

The US says it needs to expand mainly to disburse billions of dollars more in aid to Pakistan, an impoverished nation of 175 million people.

Pakistanis tend to view US motives with suspicion, pointing to a history of American support for the country’s past military rulers and involvement in its internal affairs, which they say has stunted the economy and democratic aspirations.

Others believe the US is out to end Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, a source of domestic pride.

‘Even an illiterate person knows that the Americans are against our nuclear program, and they will not miss any opportunity to destroy’ the nuclear facilities, said Humayoun Qaiser, 23, a student at an Islamic university in Islamabad.

In recent weeks, several newspapers have published unconfirmed reports that 1,000 US Marines will be posted at the US Embassy in Islamabad — which would be a significant jump from the nine there now. US officials say at most the number may reach 20. Marine security guards are routine at US missions abroad.

The head of the political party Jamaat-e-Islami, which has demonstrated against the expansion, recently claimed that the US also plans to build a Guantanamo-like prison, according to a newspaper report. The US denies the claim.

Rumors aside, the embassy does plan to reconstruct the buildings on its 38-acre compound and acquire an additional 18 acres, much of which will be used for apartments, embassy spokesman Richard Snelsire said.

About 1,450 employees work for the embassy: 1,000 Pakistanis, 250 Americans posted to the site and another 200 Americans on short-term assignments. The plan is to add around 400 people, including about 200 more posted US staffers, Snelsire said.

The major reason for the growth is a proposal in Congress to triple nonmilitary aid to Pakistan, he said.

The legislation would provide $1.5 billion a year over five years in humanitarian and economic aid. The goal is to improve education and other areas, thereby lessening the allure of extremism.

‘There are Congressional demands for oversight of where that money is spent,’ Snelsire said, explaining the need for more personnel.

There are more modest expansion plans for consulates, including the one in Peshawar, the main city in the militant-riddled northwest. The State Department is searching for a new site for that consulate, long believed to be a key hub for American spies.

One possible location is the city’s top hotel, the Pearl Continental, two senior US officials confirmed in June, soon after the hotel was bombed. Taking such prime property, though, could provoke resentment.

Snelsire would not discuss which sites were under review.

He said the expansion would happen over five to seven years and stressed that many of the current facilities are old, decrepit or small.

Much of the negative press is being fueled by political parties who want to bring pressure on the government by portraying it as an American lackey, said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a political analyst.

He criticized the government’s response.

‘The government is showing a lot of ineptitude,’ he said. ‘They should not create the impression that they are helpless and they cannot tell the real story.’

The United States has tried to stem the bad publicity by writing letters to newspapers and holding briefings for the Pakistani media, but rumors persist.

‘There is a lot of, frankly, just misinformation out there, and it keeps getting published just over and over by a few journalists,’ Snelsire said.

One recent Internet account alleged the US was bringing in private security contractors such as the company formerly known as Blackwater. Now called Xe Services, the firm’s reputation was severely tarnished by reports of unprovoked killings in Iraq.

The blogger who wrote the account called Blackwater ‘the private US mercenary army’ and said that reports of ‘ill-mannered military-type Westerners misbehaving’ was evidence the company was setting up in Pakistan.

Xe Services did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment.
It is news such as this which completely baffles me as to why U.S. wants anything to do with Pakistan, when it is unequivocally hated by all Pakistanis. Pakistan is like the ungrateful mistress of U.S.A. U.S goes out of the way to please Pakistan with all sorts of gifts and what not but the end of the day when it is resting blissfully in its bed the unsatisfied Pakistan still lunges at it with its knife. I wish Americans who come on this forum would just read what is written about them in the Pakistani media and watch the mainstream Pakistani media in their languages to understand their mindset. English language Pakistani newspapers such as the dawn do a reasonably good job of hiding the truth in the closet. But, every now and then the truth spills out in the open in the form of westerners being targeted by Pakistani terrorist group in Pakistan, in India and around the world.
A distinguished Pakistani “security analyst”has a video on Youtube in which he says something to the effect that Mecca had Muslim governance which in equivalent to the present day Pakistan. While in Medina there was the governance of polytheists. To the North of Medina in the Khyber settlement there was a Jewish settlement which is similar to the present day Israel. For 8 years the Musalmans tried to seize Medina but were unsuccessful. After that Mohammad (PBUH) shifted his strategy and instead of attacking Medina he attacked khyber and soon after that the polytheistic goverance in Medina fell. Since, the Fitna was removed so fell their enemies. This is the kind of ideology that is actively spread by TSP “think-tanks”. And it is to them that the vast majority of American aid will end up going to.
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Pakistan signs MoU with French firm on rocket technology

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More tough love from TSP for U.S.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le1282953/

After Pakistani television broadcast image of the homes of so-called U.S. “spies,” bloggers called on people to kill the occupants. The TV programs insisted they were CIA, FBI or private-security operatives – and the Pakistani media's separate outing of a U.S. aid worker as a secret agent took the rising vilification of the United States to a new level. According to the U.S. embassy, American lives are now being put at risk.
During this past weekend, an embassy spokesman had to deny suddenly renewed stories that the United States was behind the mysterious death of former military dictator General Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq in 1988.
Pakistani journalists and bloggers also targeted Craig Davis, an American aid worker, insisting that he's a secret agent. Mr. Davis, a contractor to the USAID development arm of the government, is based in the volatile northwestern city of Peshawar, and now appears to be at risk. Last year, another American USAID contractor in Peshawar, Stephen Vance, was gunned down just outside his home.

“In one or two cases these commentators have identified very specific embassy employees as CIA or Blackwater, and that very much puts the employee at danger. In at least one case we're going to have to evacuate the employee,” said Ms. Patterson, without identifying the individual involved.
A survey last month by Gallup Pakistan, found that 59 per cent of Pakistanis felt the greatest threat to the country was the United States. A separate survey in August by the Pew Research Center, an independent pollster based in Washington, found that 64 per cent of the Pakistani public regards the U.S. “as an enemy” and only 9 per cent believe it to be a partner.

“The Ugly American of the sixties is back in Pakistan and this time with a vengeance,” said Ms. Mazari, the defence analyst who is the subject of the U.S. complaint. “[The U.S.-Pakistani alliance has been] forced on the country by its corrupt leadership. It's delivering chaos. We should distance ourselves. You can't just hand over the country.”

“You used to find this anti-Americanism among supporters of religious groups and right-wing groups,” said Ahmed Quraishi, a newspaper columnist and the leading anti-American blogger. “But over the past two to three years, young, educated Pakistanis, people you'd normally expect to be pro-American modernists, and middle-class people, are increasingly inclined to anti-Americanism. That's the new phenomenon.”
After propping up Pakistan for the last 60 years this is what they get in return.

There is something fundamentally wrong with U.S. foreign policy because they sure do have a knack of ending up in places where they are deeply disliked. And as the article shows their think-tanks are willing to do is by putting their people in grave danger.

If Pakistan is like an ungrateful mistress, U.S is like a 16 year old girl who thinks that if she tries hard enough she can change her sweetheart’s character.
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Economist also says that pakistan has developed a drone to specifically act as an aerial radar decoy (emits radar signals)... has anyone found any more info on this?
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