India-China News and Discussion

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 30 Aug 2009 13:32

Prasanth wrote: Why are we even buying Chinese when the quality is bad? Can't we use domestic products! For god's sake, sometimes I feel we are being screwed big time by these industriwallahs. We as consumers should dictate them to boycott Chinese and buy Indian.

I remember years back CDoT was doing a fine job producing comm equipment..any updates?

when big people and army and airforce dont buy desi maal then why should consumer buy them.chinese maal even though its low on quality,it is cheap and above all it is foreign maal and we indian always love the word foreign attached to our maal

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 30 Aug 2009 14:01

Tripathi sir,

You make good points
We should discuss this further in Benis, please accept the invitation

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 30 Aug 2009 17:50

Prasanth wrote:
, it is *NOT* the quality (though you claim it as equal to European companies because I recently overheard a 6-year old say 'If it breaks, it is Made in China') or the price that we are concerned about here. It is security that we are concerned about. All said and done, China's actions vis-a-vis India have been inimical for the last 50 years. While it doesn't matter for certain types of trade, certain others will be sensitive and cannot be allowed.
Why are we even buying Chinese when the quality is bad? Can't we use domestic products! For god's sake, sometimes I feel we are being screwed big time by these industriwallahs. We as consumers should dictate them to boycott Chinese and buy Indian.

I remember years back CDoT was doing a fine job producing comm equipment..any updates?

the following companies are the main tele-equpment suppliers who master the key tech of world-class tele equipment:
Ericsson;Nokia-Siemens;Motorola;Huawei;Alcatel-Lucent;Nortel;ZTE;

Ericsson and Nokia-Siemens are the main suppliers to European market;

Huawei and ZTE are the main suppliers to Asia and Africa;

Alcater-Lucent and Notel is the main supplier to N.America.

Howerver, Notel now is bankrupty,so Alcater-Lucent should be very happy with the disappearance of its main rivals in N.America.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 30 Aug 2009 20:51

Chinese MI helicopters intrude into J&K
The reports refer to events in June.

However, they could only find tell-tale signs left by Chinese helicopters which hovered in the Indian territory for nearly five minutes dropping the food material on June 21 this year, sources said. When contacted, Army spokesperson for Udhampur-based Northern Command said that there was a report of a helicopter flying in the area south of Chumar, where India and China have differences in perception on the Line of Actual Control. It was reported by grazers.

Admins: please move it to the relevant forum if it does not fit here

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 30 Aug 2009 22:44

By the beard of Mao!!!! HOW can this be tolerated?

Darai Rama visits Folmosan Sprittists!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 31 Aug 2009 01:43

Liu wrote: CHinese companys' offer is only 1/3 of the european's counterpart with the same quality

Cost is 1/3rd, quality is 1/10th. I have first hand experience handling this stuff. Most of "made in China" equipment is a very bad copy of established European, American brands. Do you know there is a Chinese brand in networking called Anda

. It's software seems a complete rip off of Cisco IOS.
ZTE has the worst quality in telecom equipment category with least reliability and maximum amount of faults occurring in any given time frame compared to any other brand

wasu · Post by **wasu** » 31 Aug 2009 07:09

Government backtracks on banning Chinese telecom equipment

http://www.domain-b.com/industry/teleco ... eView.html

Having met with stiff opposition from mobile operators on its move to ban them from buying Chinese telecom equipment, the government has scaled down its proposal and asked the country's top mobile operators to adopt a policy of self-regulation in sourcing telecom equipment.

..The government's proposed ban seemed to be specifically targeted at two Chinese companies, Huawei and ZTE. But in a meeting called by the Department of Telecommunications on Friday to discuss the issue, both GSM and CDMA players told the government that a ban on these vendors would be detrimental to their business, as most operators have a procurement deal with either Huawei or ZTE...

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 31 Aug 2009 08:05

I have a Malaysian friend of Indian heritage that I befriended when we became roomates in collage many many years ago. According to him, the economy in Malaysia is preety much controlled by Chinese including distribution networks all over the country for almost all goods.

This is what he related to me happens in Malaysia.
Suppose you need a part for your car and you go to the auto part shop. The salesperson (most likely Chinese) would show you parts made in china. Suppose, you being of Indian heritage want to buy a made in India part for your car....the salesman would tell you that there are no such parts. Thus as a consumer, you have to make do with a made in China autopart.

Suppose you are an Indian manufacturer looking to expand into Malaysia autoparts market, you have no choice but to approach the Chinese controlled distribution network. When you approach, the Chinese distributor would discourage you by saying that there no demand for Made in India autoparts in Malaysia.

In short, the Chinese distributor in Malaysia shuts out made in India goods by saying that there is no market for such goods and at the same time tells their Malaysian customers that there are no made in India goods. Just to promote and keep selling made in china goods. The story is the same in Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia etc.

On the other hand, I know for fact that Indians (mainly Gujus and sindhis) basically control the retail business in most of East Africa and also control the distribution network in major portion of West Africa. For sometime they had to compete with the Lebanese but have finally prevailed over the competition.

If you ever go to Africa, you will notice that of the things these distributors distribute in Africa, the made in India goods are usually the piddly little trinkets and the assorted condiments and spice mixes plus the odd textile of specific Indic taste. Apart from that these same distributors compete and race with each other to sell mostly made in china goods. If they want to shut out made in china goods to promote made in India goods, they can but they will not.

It is the same story in Dubai where the Gujus, Sindhis and Punjabis have control a big portion of the wholesale market.

One of the largest independant distributor of electronics goods in the world is a person of Indian heritage. Even he does not have an agenda to help promote Indian goods as he happily fill his orders with made in china goods.

Thus, in short the mentality of these two different people.
Avram

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Aug 2009 08:36

asprinzl wrote:
Thus, in short the mentality of these two different people.
Avram

Difference in the homogeneity of the people.

Arihant · Post by **Arihant** » 31 Aug 2009 10:34

well ,
no offence!
if you could read chinese, you would find how amusing india's imagation is in CHina.

put to them that the world was witnessing a great experiment assessing the sustainability (and poverty-alleviation capacities) of two alternative forms of governance: a liberal democracy (India) on the one hand, and a brutal, immoral dictatorship (China) on the other. The fact that India could be viewed as a competitor to China did not even begin to enter the world-view of the average Taiwanese.
well, if the quoted were to be translated into chinese and posted on Chinese forum, it would be a laugh stock among chinese.

So this is humour that most Indians will find difficult to understand. Cultural differences perhaps?

More seriously, there is a serious misconception in our discourse on how we might deal with Taiwan, and it stems from the false assumption that “most Taiwanese are after all Chinese”. The reality is that more than 80% of Taiwan’s population consists of those we might refer to as “Taiwanese” or “Hoklo” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_people). The bulk of these have mixed Han and (Taiwanese) aboriginal ancestry (see same article for references). Part of this has to do with the fact that during the reign of Koxinga and his followers (Ming dynasty supporters who mutinied and fled to Taiwan – Koxinga himself had a Japanese mother), and at other points in Taiwan’s history, only male Han Chinese were allowed into Taiwan (the Chinese bureaucracy similarly had restrictions on outbound emigration).

It is easy to see the extent of resentment to Chinese domination amongst the ethnic Taiwanese. Many reluctantly support the Ma regime these days – mainly because they have subscribed to the dominant discourse that the only path to economic prosperity is to sign up to the Chinese model. From (personal) anecdotal evidence, it seems to me that most Taiwanese would love to be disabused of this notion – if only a credible alternative was on offer (and India is the only credible alternative). I think India is not doing enough in telling our story.

The massive swing against Ma and KMT regime, post typhoon Marakot (from all appearances, Ma ignored the plight of the affected region in the south for a very long time, perhaps motivated by the fact that this region is primarily a stronghold of the pro-independence DPP), is something that India also needs to capitalize.

AjitK · Post by **AjitK** » 31 Aug 2009 15:03

Generals in charge of China border head for Beijing — and Lhasa

In an effort to achieve some confidence building amid growing suspicion of a military build-up on the Sino-Indian border, Eastern Army Commander Lt Gen V K Singh is leading a high-level military delegation to China on a weeklong “goodwill visit” that would include a rare stop in Lhasa. The Eastern Army Command is responsible for deployment in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim.

It is learnt that Commander of Leh-based 14 Corps Lt Gen S K Singh, who is responsible for forces facing the Chinese on the Ladakh border, is also part of the delegation along with a senior official from the Lucknow-based Central Command that oversees deployment along the Uttarakhand border

The visit comes at a time when there is increased suspicion among militaries on both sides, particularly in the Eastern Sector where China has suddenly become more active after staking claim to the Finger Area, the northernmost tip of Sikkim.

Just last week, sources said, junior military officials from the Chinese side wanted to cross into the area claiming that it was their territory. Indian troops blocked them, leading to a heated exchange of words with local commanders finally being able to resolve the issue through persuasion. Such incidents have become more routine than before.

The visit by the high-level military delegation is a move to ensure some confidence building at a time when Beijing has resented Indian moves to set up a division in Arunachal Pradesh. India has also converted the Tezpur air base to a Sukhoi base, revived airfields that had been defunct for a long time along the China border and even moved mechanized forces near the Finger Area. This build-up follows similar strengthening of Chinese ground forces in Chengdu and Tibet Autonomous Region.

The recently-concluded boundary talks between Special Representatives NSA M K Narayanan and Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo also did not make much headway on the boundary issue. While the two sides agreed to elevate the talks into a strategic dialogue, there was hardly any substantial movement on the boundary issue.

It is learnt that India suggested to jointly delineate the Line of Actual Control so that it becomes easier to address issues of misperception but the Chinese side continued to stress on picking up sector-by-sector for discussions while again emphasizing their claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

The whole idea behind the SR-level mechanism, sources said, was to move beyond the “sector approach” and address the issue from a political perspective — the subtext of the arrangement being to explore the possibility of reaching a settlement through minimum disturbance to settled population by way of bilateral political concessions across sectors

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Aug 2009 16:02

I had predicted the tongchi would make a move on pangong lake next
to aksai chin. the watery and uninhabited frontier is just too tempting.
plus they'd like all the water of this 140km x 8km lake for future han settlements in the area.

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Army confirms violation of Indian air space by Chinese copters

Mon, Aug 31 11:35 AM

New Delhi, Aug 31 (ANI): The Indian Army on Monday said that China violated the Indian air space in Leh in Jammu and Kashmir.

Army Spokesperson Northern Command, Colonel Kachari said, "It has happened. That is confirmed. But there is nothing alarming in it. I have given a written reply and that is the correct version."

Indian Army vigilant along the Chinese border

Two Chinese helicopters reportedly violated the Indian air space in the recent months in Leh.

The helicopters air-dropped some canned food in a barren land at Chumar, northeast of Leh, along the border on June 21.

The MI series helicopters were reported by residents living along the Pangong lake.

The Chinese People's Liberation Army has been crossing over into the Indian side in this region quite frequently with August reporting the maximum number of incursions.

In August this year, Chinese patrols have entered into the Indian territory 26 times and walked away with petrol and kerosene meant for jawans of the border guarding forces.

The Chinese Army had made 223 attempts last year and left tell-tale signs.(ANI)

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 Aug 2009 16:37

Army Spokesperson Northern Command, Colonel Kachari said, "It has happened. That is confirmed. But there is nothing alarming in it. I have given a written reply and that is the correct version."

I don't like and am uncomfortable with this attitude. Any intrusion is 'alarming' and must be taken as such. How can one think of rectifying a problem if one is not alarmed a it occurring, specially a repititive one.

"The government of India is taking a serious view... Nobody takes it lightly," party spokesman Abhishek Singhvi told reporters here

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_go ... vi_1286686

So the Army thinks it's nothing alarming and the GOI thinks it's serious. Cannot even convey simple things without looking like idiots. Where do te get these spokespersons?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 Aug 2009 18:50

I wonder what Liu has to say about this..

Beijing fumes at $735 million 'dirty joke'

Monday, August 31, 2009 2:57 IST

Hong Kong: In the run-up to last year's Beijing Olympics, when the city unveiled a post-modern building that houses the state broadcaster CCTV's headquarters, it was celebrated as an architectural showcase of a new and modern China.

But barely a year later, China's citizens are fuming that the zany building and an annexe, built at a cost of 5 billion yuan (about $735 million) by renowned Dutch architect Rem Koolhas, should be "blown up" because they are "monuments to *****" that bring shame on the Chinese people.

The controversy blew up sky-high after a retired professor of architecture dug out an old issue of an international architectural design magazine that suggested, with graphic images, that the main CCTV building and its annexe were designed to represent, respectively, the female and male genitalia. "The main building," professor Xiao Mo wrote, "represents a naked woman bent over, with her posterior facing the audience; the annexe represents a giant penis!"

Echoing the hard-line sentiments of an art critic and fellow-professor (who even argued that the architect should be killed), Xiao called for the building and the annexe to be "blown up" because they brought "colossal shame" on the Chinese people and "should not be allowed to exist".

The Chinese media and netizens seized on these comments and went into paroxysms of rage. "If such a thing is allowed to stand in the capital of the ancient (Chinese) civilisation, it brings eternal shame to our forefathers," one commentator noted. Another called for a public effort to "sue Koolhas for defrauding the Chinese people".

Earlier this week, the official Chinese media joined in the uproar, quoting, in some cases, local Chinese architects who criticised the craze for a "foreign design" as underlying the "humiliation". The nationalistic Global Times cited an online poll that said that 47% of participants believed the CCTV buildings were "*****".

The controversy heated up despite sobering comments from renowned artist Ai Weiwei (the designer of the Olympic Stadium), who said the criticism of the buildings by "ill-informed" people was a "ridiculous joke".

Even a clarification from Koolhas that the lewd images associated with the CCTV buildings did not have his approval, didn't convince the average Chinese, who still believes the architect cashed in on the Chinese weakness for "foreign design" -- and played a $735 million dirty joke on 1.3 billion people.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_be ... ke_1286501

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Aug 2009 18:57

^^

Just the Dlagons tribute to deepal than ocean Al Gubo

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Aug 2009 18:58

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 19:23

harbans wrote:I wonder what Liu has to say about this..

Beijing fumes at $735 million 'dirty joke'

Monday, August 31, 2009 2:57 IST

Hong Kong: In the run-up to last year's Beijing Olympics, when the city unveiled a post-modern building that houses the state broadcaster CCTV's headquarters, it was celebrated as an architectural showcase of a new and modern China.

But barely a year later, China's citizens are fuming that the zany building and an annexe, built at a cost of 5 billion yuan (about $735 million) by renowned Dutch architect Rem Koolhas, should be "blown up" because they are "monuments to *****" that bring shame on the Chinese people.

The controversy blew up sky-high after a retired professor of architecture dug out an old issue of an international architectural design magazine that suggested, with graphic images, that the main CCTV building and its annexe were designed to represent, respectively, the female and male genitalia. "The main building," professor Xiao Mo wrote, "represents a naked woman bent over, with her posterior facing the audience; the annexe represents a giant penis!"

Echoing the hard-line sentiments of an art critic and fellow-professor (who even argued that the architect should be killed), Xiao called for the building and the annexe to be "blown up" because they brought "colossal shame" on the Chinese people and "should not be allowed to exist".

The Chinese media and netizens seized on these comments and went into paroxysms of rage. "If such a thing is allowed to stand in the capital of the ancient (Chinese) civilisation, it brings eternal shame to our forefathers," one commentator noted. Another called for a public effort to "sue Koolhas for defrauding the Chinese people".

Earlier this week, the official Chinese media joined in the uproar, quoting, in some cases, local Chinese architects who criticised the craze for a "foreign design" as underlying the "humiliation". The nationalistic Global Times cited an online poll that said that 47% of participants believed the CCTV buildings were "*****".

The controversy heated up despite sobering comments from renowned artist Ai Weiwei (the designer of the Olympic Stadium), who said the criticism of the buildings by "ill-informed" people was a "ridiculous joke".

Even a clarification from Koolhas that the lewd images associated with the CCTV buildings did not have his approval, didn't convince the average Chinese, who still believes the architect cashed in on the Chinese weakness for "foreign design" -- and played a $735 million dirty joke on 1.3 billion people.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_be ... ke_1286501

well, the news has been widely reported in china for one weeks+ .

some chinese don't cair it, some are very angry with it .

personaly speaking, I dislike it. but it is just " dislike" ,not " angry"

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 19:32

jamwal wrote:
Liu wrote: CHinese companys' offer is only 1/3 of the european's counterpart with the same quality
Cost is 1/3rd, quality is 1/10th. I have first hand experience handling this stuff. Most of "made in China" equipment is a very bad copy of established European, American brands. Do you know there is a Chinese brand in networking called Anda . It's software seems a complete rip off of Cisco IOS.
ZTE has the worst quality in telecom equipment category with least reliability and maximum amount of faults occurring in any given time frame compared to any other brand

forget it.

most of "infrastructure of of india mobile telecom are provided by Huawei or ZTE.
those infrastructures are much more worth than the "Shanzai" cellphone you can find in market.
tele equipments are beyond the mobile phones you can tough...

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 19:42

asprinzl wrote:I have a Malaysian friend of Indian heritage that I befriended when we became roomates in collage many many years ago. According to him, the economy in Malaysia is preety much controlled by Chinese including distribution networks all over the country for almost all goods.

This is what he related to me happens in Malaysia.
Suppose you need a part for your car and you go to the auto part shop. The salesperson (most likely Chinese) would show you parts made in china. Suppose, you being of Indian heritage want to buy a made in India part for your car....the salesman would tell you that there are no such parts. Thus as a consumer, you have to make do with a made in China autopart.

Suppose you are an Indian manufacturer looking to expand into Malaysia autoparts market, you have no choice but to approach the Chinese controlled distribution network. When you approach, the Chinese distributor would discourage you by saying that there no demand for Made in India autoparts in Malaysia.

In short, the Chinese distributor in Malaysia shuts out made in India goods by saying that there is no market for such goods and at the same time tells their Malaysian customers that there are no made in India goods. Just to promote and keep selling made in china goods. The story is the same in Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia etc.

On the other hand, I know for fact that Indians (mainly Gujus and sindhis) basically control the retail business in most of East Africa and also control the distribution network in major portion of West Africa. For sometime they had to compete with the Lebanese but have finally prevailed over the competition.

If you ever go to Africa, you will notice that of the things these distributors distribute in Africa, the made in India goods are usually the piddly little trinkets and the assorted condiments and spice mixes plus the odd textile of specific Indic taste. Apart from that these same distributors compete and race with each other to sell mostly made in china goods. If they want to shut out made in china goods to promote made in India goods, they can but they will not.

It is the same story in Dubai where the Gujus, Sindhis and Punjabis have control a big portion of the wholesale market.

One of the largest independant distributor of electronics goods in the world is a person of Indian heritage. Even he does not have an agenda to help promote Indian goods as he happily fill his orders with made in china goods.

Thus, in short the mentality of these two different people.
Avram

what you wrote is short of economy common sense.

in the globalized world, it is the customers ,not the "distribution networks " so called ,that decide which goods are prevail in market.

"made in china" can sweep the world ,purely because "made in china" balance the quality and price better than others ,including "made in India".

if indian-controlling "distribution networks were to reject " made in China" , it would be defeated by the new "distribution networks that sells "made in china" and vanished soon.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 31 Aug 2009 19:54

Is that why only more oily than vaseline friend Bakistan is the only customer for JF17 bandar which the PLAAF istelf doesnt want to buy?

personaly speaking, I dislike it. but it is just " dislike" ,not " angry"

That must have a lot to do with "angry" people being packed off to gulags to have their organs harvested, such things I am sure helps you to control your anger and keep it limited to "dislike"

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 19:59

vaman wrote:Is that why only more oily than vaseline friend Bakistan is the only customer for JF17 bandar which the PLAAF istelf doesnt want to buy?

if JF17 can not be sold well, it just prove that other birds balance quality and cost better than JF17...

besides, weapons sale are usually influenced by political factors more than quality/cost.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 20:04

vaman wrote:
personaly speaking, I dislike it. but it is just " dislike" ,not " angry"
That must have a lot to do with "angry" people being packed off to gulags to have their organs harvested, such things I am sure helps you to control your anger and keep it limited to "dislike"

many indians have been imaging that China were a huge Gulags since PRC was founded in 1949.

after 2000,some wise Indians started to rethink why "democratic India" lag far behind "Gulag-like CHina", but guys like seem to still refuse any rethinking .....

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Aug 2009 20:15

China reports new lead poisoning case
Aug 31, 2009

BEIJING (Reuters) - More than 200 children living beside an industrial park in southwest China have been found to have excessive lead in their blood, state media said on Monday, in the third such case reported in the last month.
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The same problem also dogs heavy metals bases in Hunan, Henan, Yunnan and Guangdong provinces.

At least three lead smelters in Henan province and two in Shaanxi province were ordered to temporarily halt production after protests against pollution at a lead and zinc smelter in Shaanxi.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 31 Aug 2009 20:17

Serious question Liu(s)

Are you just one person, or is there a 24/7 rota system in your internet cafe where opium infused, brainwashed automatons take turns plugging away @ the keyboard, asking because there are some obvious differences between Liu's spellings yesterday and Liu's spellings today

2000 or not,I dont really want to donate my organs to Chailman Mao's second cousin's third daughter's second son, who also happens to be a politbureau member and lives in the 12th floor of a shiny building with nearest neighbour being on 23rd floor.... democracy works just fine for me

Go easy on the word democracy, I heard kidneys are in high demand in Europe

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 20:26

vaman wrote:Serious question Liu(s)

Are you just one person, or is there a 24/7 rota system in your internet cafe where opium infused, brainwashed automatons take turns plugging away @ the keyboard, asking because there are some obvious differences between Liu's spellings yesterday and Liu's spellings today

2000 or not,I dont really want to donate my organs to Chailman Mao's second cousin's third daughter's second son, who also happens to be a politbureau member and lives in the 12th floor of a shiny building with nearest neighbour being on 23rd floor.... democracy works just fine for me

Go easy on the word democracy, I heard kidneys are in high demand in Europe

just keep you democracy,talk and talk, then you can catch up with china...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Aug 2009 20:30

on the contrary its PRC who invests lot of manpower and resources in the care and feeding of this '2nd army' of internet propagandu trolls and droids

all that electricity, fried rice and boiled fish could feed a country the size of Laos or sri lanka.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Aug 2009 20:36

Liu wrote:
vaman wrote: just keep you democracy,talk and talk, then you can catch up with china...

We don't want to catch up with china.
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Is it true you have to buy the registration number to get admitted in Hospital ?

Just saw this video Link

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 20:53

shravan wrote:
Liu wrote: We don't want to catch up with china.
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Is it true you have to buy the registration number to get admitted in Hospital ?

Just saw this video Link

it is commone sense in china that reginstration numbers in hospitial have to bought,which might be different from India.
the price of registration number varis much . the registration NO. of famous doctors is very expensive and rare....it is so rare that sometime you can buy it even if you have enough money.

However, the regristration NO. of ordinary doctors is cheap...only 3 RMB in my city.

Chinese meidal system is full of problems and is bashed often by chinese people....however, compared with India medical system ,it is still much better and effective.

I have read some travelouge about Indian medical system.

according to those blogs, the rich indians can afford to doctors in well-equipppd and expensive private hospitals.

however 80% of ordiniary indians can not afford to the medial service in private hospitals and have to see doctors in crappy "free" public hostipals...

the public hostials in India provide "free service" but they are very crappy and badly-equipped...always they are short of necessary facilities and medichine.

here is a chinese girl's experience in a India's public hospital in Delhi.
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=268710223
if you can not read chinese, you can just have a look at the pictures.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 31 Aug 2009 20:55

Is it the fact that we are going to catch up without having to go through "cultural revolutions", "great victories after teaching the enemy a lesson" ,"voluntary organ donation camps" and "forced voluntary patriotic internet forum trolling" that is bothering you?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 Aug 2009 20:57

Just from a Chinese blog quoting one of many similar comments:

Hello!

I am a German working in Canada and got to hear of this blog as it has some German reference. Germany as you would know is one of the key players in European Nations and as a leading economy in the region, we fund the ESA operations and the research findings are used by the member countries.

Now coming to India’s achievemt in space, I think, India today has the potential to replace US or any other country as the world leader…thanks to it’s education system which has been showing the way the world from the start of civilization.

India was developed when the world was still taking shape and it is due to the learned men from India -astrologers, scientist, surgeons - and their work (not only today, but thousands of years back)which has led to development of number system, astrology and medicine system.

China has been in awe of this civilization fromm the times of Huen Tsang, Fa Hsien, Xuan Zang and Yi Qing…these Chinese scholars visited the seats of learning in India and carried the wonderful stories of prospering society back to China…something which was not seen or heard of there.

For any country to equate with India would mean to bridge the gap of 10000 years….having a first hand experience of that country and it’s history….I think India is atleast that many years ahead of the world

By Steffen Paulus on Nov 17, 2008

http://yolearnchinese.com/archives/indi ... on-to-moon

PS: It's reall a nice blog where the Chinese reall has good feelings to India and wonders why we are not closer. Good blog and comments all round..many don't share Liu's POV on India.

Rajeshji: I saw the pic..and it's like really a big joke on the Chinese..that pic is, imagine shelling almos a billion US for that!!

Belongs to bojitive newj GUBO dhaga only for dissection..

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 31 Aug 2009 20:59

Chinese meidal system is full of problems and is bashed often by chinese people....however, compared with India medical system ,it is still much better and effective

And who told you that.... BJ Cutie?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Aug 2009 21:02

Vamanullah,

Lemme play devil's advocate just for fun:

Is it the fact that we are going to catch up without having to go through "cultural revolutions", "great victories after teaching the enemy a lesson" ,"voluntary organ donation camps" and "forced voluntary patriotic internet forum trolling" that is bothering you?

How can you be so con-fi-dent about (i) we'll catch up in finite time with the mighty dlagon, and (ii) Sri Liu is bothered and is hence visiting BRF?

Voluntary organ donation camps, eh? wow.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Aug 2009 21:08

Liu wrote:[
it is commone sense in china that reginstration numbers in hospitial have to bought,which might be different from India.

To see a doctor at most hospitals in China, patients must first register (挂号, gua hao, “get a number”). At the hospitals with the best reputations, there is more demand than supply. As a result, people must line up to register, and there are many unscrupulous people [票贩子, piao fan zi, ticket scalpers or touts] who will try to register first and then sell their registration to other people later for a profit.

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I have not seen people in India running like that in a Hospital.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 21:36

vaman wrote:
Chinese meidal system is full of problems and is bashed often by chinese people....however, compared with India medical system ,it is still much better and effective
And who told you that.... BJ Cutie?

well, I prefer such blogs to BBC or CCTV.

besides, the average life expectency of India is 10 years less than that of Chinese. it provide another proof.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 21:42

shravan wrote:
Liu wrote:[
it is commone sense in china that reginstration numbers in hospitial have to bought,which might be different from India.
To see a doctor at most hospitals in China, patients must first register (挂号, gua hao, “get a number”). At the hospitals with the best reputations, there is more demand than supply. As a result, people must line up to register, and there are many unscrupulous people [票贩子, piao fan zi, ticket scalpers or touts] who will try to register first and then sell their registration to other people later for a profit.

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I have not seen people in India running like that in a Hospital.

the biggest problem of chinese medical system is that most of Chinese, expecially rural chinese ,has no medical secutry system.
once they have serous deseases and can not afford the expensive medical service ,then they have to depend on the mercy of God.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 31 Aug 2009 21:49

God! I thought there was only one God but Mao

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Aug 2009 21:55

Liu wrote: once they have serous deseases and can not afford the expensive medical service ,then they have to depend on the mercy of God.

So majority of the Chinese cannot afford medical service. Never knew that. After looking at the images you posted i thought everyone in China could afford Medical Service.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 31 Aug 2009 21:58

vaman wrote:
Chinese meidal system is full of problems and is bashed often by chinese people....however, compared with India medical system ,it is still much better and effective
And who told you that.... BJ Cutie?

Liu wrote:well, I prefer such blogs than BBC or CCTV.

besides, the average life expectency of India is 10 years less than that of Chinese. it provide another proof.

Stop believing & spreading the lies dude and open your mind.

Wiki Link on : List of countries by life expectancy

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Rank by UN ==| Rank by =| ==============| Overall life ========| Male life ===========| Female life 
member state | Entity ==| Country ======| expectancy at birth =| expectancy at birth =| expectancy at birth   
-------------|----------|---------------|----------------------|----------------------|----------------------
78 ==========| 105 =====| PRC(mainland)=| 73.47 ===============| 71.61 ===============| 75.52 
115 =========| 145 =====| India ========| 69.89 ===============| 67.46 ===============| 72.61

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 31 Aug 2009 22:01

shravan wrote:
Liu wrote: once they have serous deseases and can not afford the expensive medical service ,then they have to depend on the mercy of God.
So majority of the Chinese cannot afford medical service. Never knew that. After looking at the images you posted i thought everyone in China could afford Medical Service.

well, depend on what kind of medical service it is . In china, the medical service for slight sicks or deseases is ok.but the medical serice for serious desease such as surgical operations is very expensive .

to cure a cough or cold is "medical service".

to cure cancers is also " medeical service"

however, to cure cancer is also 1000 times more expensive than to cure a cough or cold...

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Aug 2009 22:06

^^^

Liu wrote: just keep you democracy,talk and talk, then you can catch up with china...

We don't want to catch up with china.
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And we can't run that fast....