Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 13:54

Massive reshuffle in bureaucracy

Groper is filling the bureaucracy with his own men & women. Zardari is being cornered from all sides.

In what is being billed here as the single largest grade-22 promotion and shake-up in many years, secretaries of interior, information, industries, privatisation commission, labour, and special secretary of finance are among those who have been replaced with the newly promoted officers.

The announcement sent a wave of shock and surprise in the federal bureaucracy and many senior officers described the decision as a mixed bag of merit —ill-conceived, with some of the moves laced with nepotism and outright favouritism.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 13:58

China to help TSP in launching its satellite

China said on Friday that it would provide financial assistance to Pakistan for launching its first satellite and a memorandum of understanding in this connection would be signed next week.{So, is this a total turnkey project by PRC ? TSP will not even do the normal paint job ? Of course, painting a satellite is not as easy as painting Al Khalid}

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 14:42

TSPAF's war game, 'Saffron Bandit', begins

They were informed that the PAF have acquired the capability to keep itself aware of any aerial movement inside the country’s airspace . . .

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Sep 2009 14:48

SSridhar wrote:TSPAF's war game, 'Saffron Bandit', begins

Saffron bandit? hmmm

bart · Post by **bart** » 05 Sep 2009 15:12

SSridhar wrote:China to help TSP in launching its satellite
China said on Friday that it would provide financial assistance to Pakistan for launching its first satellite and a memorandum of understanding in this connection would be signed next week.{So, is this a total turnkey project by PRC ? TSP will not even do the normal paint job ? Of course, painting a satellite is not as easy as painting Al Khalid}

Er...so China will pay for it, China will build it, and China will launch it, but 'TSP will launch its first satellite'?

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote:TSPAF's war game, 'Saffron Bandit', begins
Saffron bandit? hmmm

Our exercises should be named "Brown Pant Wearing Downhill Skiing Bandit".

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 17:09

Great News

Islamiat subject made compulsory from Class I to Graduation in the new National Education Policy

AoA I thought it was already so.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif Saturday said Islamiat subject has been made compulsory from first grade to the graduation in National Educational policy 2009 for the religious awareness.

He said this during a meeting held regarding National Educational Policy 2009 at Chief Minister House.

Shahbaz Sharif said the meeting decided to include history and geography in Pakistan Studies from primary to secondary level and exclude from the syllabus the material that stand in conflict with Islamic teachings and values. {AoA. Way to go}

He said it has been decided that science and mathematics would be taught in English language in a bid to boost the modern education, adding a regulatory authority is being established to establish and co-ordinate the private educational institutions. {Will these subjects also exclude those areas that may be in conflict with Islamic teachings and values ?}

Sharif said he is thankful to Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani to incorporate the recommendations of Punjab government in National Educational Policy.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 05 Sep 2009 18:33

China expresses concern over US embassy’s expansion plans in Islamabad

China has concerns over expansion of US embassy in Islamabad and the United States should expand its embassy by materializing rules and regulations of Pakistan,” Zhaohui said.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 05 Sep 2009 19:35

SSridhar wrote:TSPAF's war game, 'Saffron Bandit', begins
They were informed that the PAF have acquired the capability to keep itself aware of any aerial movement inside the country’s airspace . . .

The name Saffron Bandit....TSP attempting to get back for "Arihant"?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Sep 2009 19:44

'Stalled peace talks benefiting terrorists'

Pak PM Gilani asks India to return to the composite dialogue process.

So the dialogue is not on? Even after S-e-S? Whatever happened to 'delinking talks and terror'? Is the current standoff not terror-related then? So Desi establishment gave verbal gifts to TSP but followed up with no laddoos on the ground, eh? There's hope after all.

Besides, just wondering if the yindian team will raise all these fake notes stuff with its packee counterpart.

James B · Post by **James B** » 05 Sep 2009 19:45

Conspiracies, plots and myths

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 19:52

Yogi_G wrote:The name Saffron Bandit....TSP attempting to get back for "Arihant"?

'Arihant' is a generic term but TSP always chooses Hindu-bashing names. Its missiles are named after India-specific Muslim invaders, especially the savage ones, like Mahmud Ghaznavi, Shahabuddin Ghori, Ahmed Shah Abdali etc. just in order to insult India and arouse a sense of religious fanaticism and a sense of victory over India among Pakistani masses. Little do they realize that in the process they are glorifying the savage Turks (Ghaznavi and Ghori) and Pashtun (Abdali), who looted, plundered and massacred their own ancestors living in the parts which are currently Pakistan. Prominent public speakers frequently refer to these names to whip-up public sentiment and passion against India. Similarly, during the 1965 war, Pakistan Navy decided to bombard the non-decrepit and non-strategic town of Dwarka on the Gujarat coast since it was associated with the Hindu mythology of Mahabharat and the operation was therefore aptly code-named “Operation Somnath” symbolizing the dozens of times the marauder Ghazni pillaged the nearby and the famous Somnath temple again in Gujarat. The Army’s invasion in the same war was code-named ‘Operation Gibraltar’, referring to the Rock of Gibraltar which was named as ‘Jebel al Tariq’ by the Muslim invader Tariq bin Ziad. Similarly, the various units of the invading guerilla army forces in 1965 were named as Tariq, Ghaznavi, Salahuddin, Qasim and Khalid, all thus named after Muslim war heroes.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 05 Sep 2009 20:02

SSridhar-ji, you must go for a more simple less intellectual rationale for the name. the paks are so used to arse bandits guboing them that they are trying to project that onto their threat perception psychology... but seriously... there are some warped issues with the name... the saffron part is clear and is a general frenzy whip up. the bandit part is far more interesting... clearly the yeevil yindoos are far more dangerous than mere bandits... so the bandits could refer to the talibains... cross reference with them being RAW agents... and viola... saffron bandits

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2009 20:27

Lalmohan wrote:... the saffron part is clear and is a general frenzy whip up. the bandit part is far more interesting...

Lalmohan ji, I looked up the meaning of 'bandit' and it also means "A hostile aircraft, especially a fighter aircraft." (a slang though). I wasn't aware of this. Verily, the TSP momin are more literate than the SDRE kufr, cowering with fright in his dhoti in Bangalore, Kerala.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Sep 2009 01:40

SSridhar wrote:Great News

Islamiat subject made compulsory from Class I to Graduation in the new National Education Policy

AoA I thought it was already so.
Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif Saturday said Islamiat subject has been made compulsory from first grade to the graduation in National Educational policy 2009 for the religious awareness.

Are they gonna teach contribution of Persian and Arab Sperms Historical Undertaking (PASHU)in making Pakisnaniat.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 06 Sep 2009 02:39

Pak approached Mehsud against India

Pak sent me to convince Mehsud against India: Ex-MP

A former Pakistan parliamentarian, known for his links with militant groups, made the startling claim that the Pakistan government had deputed him to hold secret talks with slain Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud on forging "unity against India" in the wake of the Mumbai attacks.

Aziz said he stayed in Makeen area of South Waziristan, a stronghold of the Pakistani Taliban, for three days to convince Mehsud but the militant commander was not ready to accept the delegation's views.

Mehsud finally agreed to back the government in case of any offensive by India when Aziz and the delegation rejected his offer to join him for a meal.

"It is a tradition of Pashtuns that they do not make their guests angry at a meal," Aziz said.

Following this, Mehsud issued statements to international media organisations like CNN and BBC and the Pakistani media that his Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan would fight alongside the Pakistan Army against Indian forces in spite of its differences with the military and the government.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Sep 2009 04:56

Sugar and spice

The issue of sugar pricing is one that is becoming more and more complex by the day. In Lahore and other cities in Punjab more shortages have been reported since the LHC verdict fixed the price at Rs40 a kilogram. The federal government has said it cannot supply the commodity at that rate and has warned that supplies to utility stores could soon dwindle too. The Punjab government has posted police outside mills, warning that it will seize stocks if they are not brought into the market. The situation is not sweet. Indeed it is distinctly spicy and increasingly hot. The tension is rising and there is no knowing what the outcome may be. The millers have stated they will defy the court. The ruling itself and the role of courts in matters of pricing have been questioned. If it were implementable, there is almost no doubt at all that lower prices for a food item needed in every house would serve the interests of people. The question though is if the measure can be enforced. The Punjab government, locked for weeks in a battle with the sugar-mill owners, will clearly want to do so. But will it succeed? For all Shahbaz Sharif's determination, there are factors lined up against him and the federal government's refusal to comply is the latest in these.

Zam Zam Cola too will not be sweet I guess.

In other news
Sugar being sold for up to Rs55/kg in Peshawar

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 06 Sep 2009 05:39

Why does Government of Pakistan lie so blatently?

No loadshedding in country: ministry
ISLAMABAD (September 06, 2009): The Ministry of Water and Power has said that no electricity shortfall was reported on Saturday due to which there was no loadshedding in the country. According to Ministry's spokesman, due to change in weather the demand has reduced and there was no gap between electricity demand and supply.

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Karachiites undergoing over 12 hours loadshedding
KARACHI (September 06, 2009): Karachiites are undergoing over 12 hours loadshedding as two power generating units of Karachi Electric Supply Company went off, causing almost 50 percent reduction in the company's electricity generation. Sources told Business Recorder on Saturday that people were facing at least one hour of power outage after every one hour in many areas especially parts of the city's outskirts.

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Sep 2009 08:56

http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article6489.ece

I am very happy to see an Indian Newspaper publishing such an article. I feel honoured to have Quaid-e-Azam as leader of Pakistan. As a Pakistani, I have high respect for Gandhi, and all great politicians of India, but what Quaid-e-Azam has given to us is priceless. The article is very emotional and has ignited feelings of love and respect for our leader, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
from: Beenish Javed

Very well written. It came as a pleasant surprise especially because it was written soon after partition. After reading the article one cannot but think that perhaps people in general were more tolerent then than today.
from: Affan Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan.

A very well written article.
I am a Pakistani and it is refreshing to see a balanced discussion of Mr Jinnah's role in history. In Pakistan, particularly during Zia's rule, Jinnah was converted into a saint and even a quasi-religious figure. On the other hand, he was overly demonized in the Indian narrative. Jaswant Singh has done a great service by starting a healthy discussion about the "Quaid-e-Azam".
from: Omar

It great to read these articles. Mr. Jinnah was not doubt among the tallest leaders of South Asia. During his initial years of strugle, he wanted a federal India with more powers given to provinces, especially to Muslim dominated provinces. However, the Congress led by Mr. Nehru didn't agree on that. After partition, M.A. Jinnah wanted better relation between the two countries.
from: Shahid Naqshbandi

Thanks for reproducing this 1948 editorial. As a Pakistani-American I happen to differ with some of the points made about Jinnah in the editorial but there is no denying that this is a fair-minded piece. Also, what comes across rather poignantly, but has been forgotten, is Jinnah's strong desire for excellent relations between the two countries even after the riots and the upheavals of partition. This editorial is a historic document and sheds very interesting light on those times. Things have gone more and more off track in the last 62 years but there is no reason that the two countries cannot live together in peace and contribute to the region's overall prosperity.
This also reminded me of Jinnah's condolence message at Mahatma Gandhi's death:

I am shocked to learn of the most dastardly attack on the life of Mr. Gandhi, resulting in his death. There can be no controversy in the face of death.

"Whatever our political differences, he was one of the greatest men produced by the Hindu community, and a leader who commanded their universal confidence and respect.
I wish to express my deep sorrow, and sincerely sympathize with the great Hindu community and his family in their bereavement at this momentous, historical and critical juncture so soon after the birth of freedom and freedom for Hindustan and Pakistan.
The loss to the Dominion of India is irreparable, and it will be very difficult to fill the vacuum created by the passing away of such a great man at this moment."
from: Fawad

A well thought-out, enduring and extremely well articulated Biography with an accurate foresight. As a starting point, it helps to understand Jaswant Singh's view point. Certainly, the Pakistan he envisaged was initially eclipsed by the speed of events and thereafter by its very own. As a Pakistani, I crave for Jinnah's Pakistan. Already dreamers hold me in awe.
from: Samson Simon Sharaf

Its quite surprising that many of your readers find this article un-biased. The difference is that as a Pakistani, i will admit that Gandhi was a great man and leader without blinking or thinking twice...but apparently Indians need a controversy or two to come to certain realizations. Thanks to Mr. Jaswant Singh for that. Jinnah, apart from brilliant political abilities, was a man of vision and passion and as history does tell us that no revolution has ever taken place without a fierce passion against oppression, not only within a single individual but millions others who relate to the cause. Pakistan is not only Mr. Jinnah's political triumph but a voice and hunger of millions of Muslims.
from: Wajiha Tariq

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Sep 2009 09:43

Does this killing of Muslims during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan by the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan conform to the bit in their motto that says “Jihad fi Sabilillah”, or translated, “Jihad in the way of Allah”?

43 militants killed in Khyber Agency

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 06 Sep 2009 09:45

his also reminded me of Jinnah's condolence message at Mahatma Gandhi's death:

I am shocked to learn of the most dastardly attack on the life of Mr. Gandhi, resulting in his death. There can be no controversy in the face of death.

"Whatever our political differences, he was one of the greatest men produced by the Hindu community, and a leader who commanded their universal confidence and respect.
I wish to express my deep sorrow, and sincerely sympathize with the great Hindu community and his family in their bereavement at this momentous, historical and critical juncture so soon after the birth of freedom and freedom for Hindustan and Pakistan.

The efforts to write off India as a Hindu country is very much seen. It was always in Pakistan's interest to project India as a Hindu country for it justifies the 2 nation theory and hence the very semblance of logic which justified Pakistan's creation. Pakistan has always had the ostrich attitude of denying India's secularist character, again India's secularism strikes at the roots of Pakistan's very existence. After every communal riot, for e.g. lie Kargil you see Pakistan coming out to denounce the "myth" of India's secularism. Suits them. No opportunity is lost for this,
Check out @ 1:36 in this video.

Again just as the Chinese are hypocrites with their Capitalist based Communist system, Jinnah's post independence speech asked the Pakistani people to go out to their temples, mosques and churches, that too in a supposedly Muslim country.

Again projecting India as a Hindu country serves best the most important institution in TSP, the TSPA. I bet in most cases the pre-battle pep-talk would have been that the Indian army made up of Hindu Kaffirs has to be brought down by the sword of Allah's sword. I wonder how many times the "Allah o Akbar" cries of the TSPA soldier in close counter hand to hand battles would have been retaliated with "Har Har Mahadev" by the IA soldiers, is that allowed by the IA? Could someone who is serving or has served comment on this?

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 06 Sep 2009 10:10

Yogi: You need TSP's endorsement of India's secular credentials?

anyway...

The guy brought in by 10% and musharraf to save their butts is certifiable.

US was behind Zia’s ‘murder’: Brig Imtiaz

LAHORE: Former head of Intelligence Bureau Brig (r) Imtiaz Ahmad has claimed that the US assassinated former army chief Ziaul Haq in collaboration with “internal powers of the Pakistan”. Imtiaz told a private TV channel on Saturday the US was behind the Bahawalpur plane crash. “Former army chief Aslam Beg also says that Zia’s plane crash was not an accident, but sabotage”, he said. Meanwhile, talking to Dunya News, Ejazul Haq – Zia’s son – demanded that a criminal investigation be conducted into the plane crash. Ejaz said that former pilot Akram Awan, who is under arrest in the Kahuta conspiracy case, told a commission that Israeli intelligence agency Mossad “delivered material to destroy the plane”. daily times monitor

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Sep 2009 10:28

I feel India actually has a big problem of Identity, with the biggest number of seperatist movements within the country, India existentially needs something to cling on to some idea of togetherness of masses which is in actual very fluid and superficial. Gujarat Riots, Goden temple, kashmir, killing of Christian, Dalitsand problems in east. Most part of past 1000 years, hindus have been under Muslims rule so keeping everyone together requires a mantra which can accomodate this ideology, otherwise you know the results. One trailer has already been shown in 1947. Pakistan on the other hand had and still has a clear radmap of securing interest of the muslimsof the sub-continent who decided to have a seperate homeland. -Bobby - karachi a

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 06 Sep 2009 10:42

Vivek_A wrote:Yogi: You need TSP's endorsement of India's secular credentials?

Vivek the point was that the world's ready acceptance of our secular credentials is a pain the neck for Pakistan. As much as they try and deny it it is not going to help. Indians need to keep bringing up the secular part of their identity, be it by diplomats or the ordinary SDRE all over the world, this works the Pakis up

, most chankian onlee

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 06 Sep 2009 13:33

India to inform U.S. about Pak’s reluctance to punish 26/11 accused

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Sep 2009 15:43

Bhima wrote:India to inform U.S. about Pak’s reluctance to punish 26/11 accused

Errr,
Doesn't the US know it already? Haven't we all known it already ever since 26/11 nay since 1947?
Who is Chindu trying to fool? India does not want to act against pakistan, and wants to shift the responsibility onto the US? India expects pakistan to deliver terrorists to India? India?
The mere mention of India locks up the process within pakistan.
The one reason is that pakistan is dis-motivated to help india. The only way pakistan has historically done india's bidding when india has displayed belligerence, but then again even vajpayee held back his promised punch.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 06 Sep 2009 16:19

The guns of August

SOME of the writing about the Indo-Pakistan war of September 1965 borders on mythology. It is no surprise that generations of Pakistanis continue to believe that India was the aggressor and that one Pakistani soldier was equal to 10 Indian soldiers.

A few have argued that the war began in August when Pakistan injected guerrillas into the vale of Kashmir to instigate a revolt and grab it before India achieved military dominance in the region. That was Operation Gibraltar.

When it failed to trigger a revolt and drew a sharp Indian riposte along the ceasefire line, Pakistan upped the ante and launched Operation Grand Slam on Sept 1. Infantry units of the army backed by armour overran the Indian outpost in Chamb, crossed the Tawi river and were headed towards Akhnur in order to cut off India’s line of communication with Srinagar.

In the minority view, the Indian response on Sept 6 across the international border at Lahore was a natural counter-response, not an act of aggression.

I asked Sajjad Haider, author of the new book, Flight of the Falcon, to name the aggressor. He retired as an air commodore in the Pakistan Air Force. A fighter pilot to the bone, he does not know how to mince words: “Ayub perpetrated the war.”

In April, skirmishes had taken place in the Rann of Kutch region several hundred miles south of Kashmir. In that encounter, the Pakistanis prevailed over the Indians. Haider says that the humiliation suffered by the Indians brought Prime Minister Shastri to the conclusion that the next round would be of India’s choosing.

The Indian army chief prepared for a war that would be fought in the plains of Punjab. Under ‘Operation Ablaze’, it would mount an attack against Lahore, Sialkot and Kasur. Of course, the trigger would have to be pulled by the Pakistanis.

On May 12, says Haider, an Indian Canberra bomber flew over the Pakistan border on a reconnaissance mission. To quote him: “The PAF scrambled interceptors which got within shooting range of the intruder. Air Marshal Asghar Khan’s permission was sought to bring down the intruder. He sought clearance from the president on the newly installed direct line but Ayub denied permission fearing Indian reprisal.” Laments Haider, “If this was not an indication of Indian intentions, what else could have been?”

Oblivious to what had just taken place in the skies above Punjab, and failing to anticipate how India was gunning to equalise the score, Ayub gave the green light to Operation Gibraltar on the advice of his foreign minister, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (later president and prime minister). Bhutto had sought out the opinion about Indian intentions from Chinese Foreign Minister Chen Yi during a meeting at the Karachi airport and concluded from the latter’s body language that India would not respond.

So Ayub gave the green light to send 8,000 infiltrators into Indian-held Kashmir. These, says Haider, were mostly youth from Azad Kashmir who had less than four weeks of training in guerrilla warfare. The entire plan was predicated on a passive Indian response, evoking Gen Von Moltke’s dictum: “No war plan survives the first 24 hours of contact with the enemy.”

It is also worth recalling what the kaiser said to the German troops that were heading off to fight the French in August 1914: “You will be home before the leaves have fallen off the trees.” The three-month war turned into the Great War which lasted for four years.

Operation Grand Slam abruptly ground to a halt. An Indian general cited by Haider says in his memoirs: “Akhnur was a ripe plum ready to be plucked, but providence came to our rescue.” The Pakistani GHQ decided to switch divisional commanders in the midst of the operation. The new commander, Maj-Gen Yahya (subsequently army chief and president), claimed later he was not tasked with taking Akhnur.

I asked Haider whether the Pakistani military was prepared for an all-out war with India, a much bigger country with a much bigger military. He said it was the army’s war, since the other services had been kept in the dark. The army was clearly not prepared for an all-out war since a quarter of the soldiers were on leave. They were only recalled as the Indian army crossed the border en route to Lahore, a horrific sight which Haider recalls seeing from the air as he and five of his falcons arrived on the outskirts of Lahore.

Maj-Gen Sarfraz was the general officer commanding of the No.10 Division which had primary responsibility for the defence of Lahore. Along with other divisional commanders in the region, he had been ordered by GHQ to remove all defensive landmines from the border. None had been taken into confidence about the Kashmir operation. The pleas of these generals to prepare against an Indian invasion were rejected by GHQ with a terse warning: “Do not provoke the Indians.”

Haider notes that the gateway to Lahore was defended by the 3rd Baloch contingent of 100 men under the intrepid Major Shafqat Baluch. He says, “They fought to the last man till we (No.19 Squadron) arrived to devastate the invading division. There could have been no doubt even in the mind of a hawaldar that an Indian attack would come. But the ostriches at the pulpit had their heads dug in sand up to their necks.”

In the 1965 war, the Pakistani Army repeated the mistakes of the 1947-48 Kashmir war, but on a grander scale. No official history of the 1965 war was ever written even though President Ayub wanted one. Gen Yahya, his new army chief, just sat on the request until Ayub was hounded out of office by centrifugal forces triggered by the war.

Pakistan’s grand strategy was flawed. None of its strategic objectives were achieved. And were it not for the tactical brilliance of many mid-level commanders, the country would have been torn apart by the Indians. Ironically, in Ayub’s autobiography, one would be hard pressed to find any references to the war of 1965. One is reminded of De Gaulle’s history of the French army which makes no reference to the events that took place in Waterloo in 1815.

War, as Clemenceau put it, is too serious a business to be left to the generals.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Sep 2009 16:39

Former TSP NSA peddles the same BS and Indian media agog just because he called India 'big brother'

Atrocious.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Sep 2009 16:58

TSP dangles trade carrot

The bilateral trade volume between India and Pakistan can reach $10 billion in five years once dialogue resumes between the two countries, said the Pakistan Commerce Secretary, Mr Suleman Ghani, on Saturday at his meetings with industry bodies – PHD Chamber and the Assocham. At the PHD Chamber meeting, Mr Ghani said, “If we were to get everything right then it should not take us more than 5-6 years to reach $10 billion worth of trade volume.”

He also said that the foreign secretaries of the two countries are expected to meet soon to discuss the possibility of a meeting of Indian and Pakistani Prime Ministers at the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meet in New York.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Sep 2009 18:54

Lankan group behind SL cricket team attack: Pak

New Delhi: After suspecting an Indian hand in the terror attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Sunday revealed that the attack may have been funded by the LTTE.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Sep 2009 18:57

shravan wrote:Lankan group behind SL cricket team attack: Pak

New Delhi: After suspecting an Indian hand in the terror attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Sunday revealed that the attack may have been funded by the LTTE.

So all those guys walking casually away and getting on motorbikes in side streets were all Lankans in Paki clothes then?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 06 Sep 2009 19:08

shiv wrote:
shravan wrote:Lankan group behind SL cricket team attack: Pak

New Delhi: After suspecting an Indian hand in the terror attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Sunday revealed that the attack may have been funded by the LTTE.

So all those guys walking casually away and getting on motorbikes in side streets were all Lankans in Paki clothes then?

well it seems gila-nahi is just admitting how the standard street walking paki terrorists also follow the great TTP army in being rent-boys for who ever pays to hire them! thats why comment about been funded by LTTE!!

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Sep 2009 21:52

Pakistan players are involved in match fixing: Umar
ICL put Pak players dues on hold after match fixing reports
Ouch. That would hurt.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Sep 2009 22:19

Gagan wrote:
Bhima wrote:India to inform U.S. about Pak’s reluctance to punish 26/11 accused
Errr,
Doesn't the US know it already? Haven't we all known it already ever since 26/11 nay since 1947?
Who is Chindu trying to fool? India does not want to act against pakistan, and wants to shift the responsibility onto the US? India expects pakistan to deliver terrorists to India? India?
The mere mention of India locks up the process within pakistan.
The one reason is that pakistan is dis-motivated to help india. The only way pakistan has historically done india's bidding when india has displayed belligerence, but then again even vajpayee held back his promised punch.

You have to look at the issue from India's cost/benefit PoV, TSP's terrorist mindset PoV, and USA's colonial/racist/imperialist PoV.

India's cost/benefit PoV: Does India have the ability to deliver that punch; a I mean a real punch, not a phyrric 'victory' like in Kargil, "we did not cross the LoC" type of defensive cowardly BS? It seems to me that the answer is NO. or else India would have done it by now. For this I attribute failure of India as a whole: from politicians, to Indian armed forces, intelligence, and above all the Indian common man. India, like Israel does to its neighbors, should never have allowed TSP to become this powerful militarily in the first place.

TSP's terrorist mindset PoV:

TSP is saying f$%*k Mumbai, you (India) can kiss my ass on terror; you have done the same to us in 1971, bla bla and every other fabrication concievable; all with a frustration that their nation did not pan out as envisaged in 1948, and hence the only way out is India give them what they want or both go down together. So TSP is basically saying, you can do didly squat to us, so lets sit down, and you guys find some way of handing over Kashmir to us for a start and we'll see where we go from there. The most benging interpretation of this, and its tough to imagine anything benign when it comes to TSP's attitutde towards India, is that there is a so called 'moderate' RAPE who will act on LeT if India hands over Kashmir to them. Think about it, this is the most moderate view; extrapolate and draw your own conclusion on what avergae Paki has in mind visa vi India.

USA's colonial/racist/imperialist PoV: USA is basically saying, you SDRE f%^$*^$s, and you TSP terrorist a$%holes, you both need to stop figting with each other and do as I say. Basically USA is telling us SDREs that the law of nature dictates that our interests are paramount, and you align yours with ours, and everything will be hunky dory. And in this thinking, there is no such things as TSP terror against India, only India TSP tensions and how USA can manage those to its benefit. And boy, have the SDREs lapped this horse manure up lock, stock, and barrel. Ask one of those IT honchos in Bangalore or Gurgaon about terrorism; and they will tell you "Al Quida", Bin Ladin yada yada.

Silver lining: The interesting part. For India, even after suffering a 1000 cuts, victory means being left alone by TSP and USA through their direct and indirect sponsorhip of terror. But TSP cannot afford that, while for USA, its a trump card leverage they cannot let go off; the smarty Hindu SDREs might get too uppity and independent. So coming back to India's cost/benefit PoV, with this objective in mind, instead of delivering that punch which TSP so badly wants so it can retaliate and sow chaos and reap the stalemate rewards, Indian leaders are accepting the humiliation heaped on it and begging, cajoling, hoping, praying that both TSP and USA will come to their senses and leave India alone. Thats the mission of PC when he goes to USA

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Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 06 Sep 2009 23:10

Here we go again..CRamS telling us how it's America's fault that India hasn't done what it can and should do in balochistan and elsewhere.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Sep 2009 23:16

Vivek_A wrote:Here we go again..CRamS telling us how it's America's fault that India hasn't done what it can and should do in balochistan and elsewhere.

He is correct. American policy has molded the behavior of TSP and its policies towards India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Sep 2009 23:28

Vivek_A wrote:Here we go again..CRamS telling us how it's America's fault that India hasn't done what it can and should do in balochistan and elsewhere.

Boss, just a couple of actions on the part of USA, which won't cost it much, or perhaps in its mind it will in that SDREs will be emancipated which in its xenephobic view it can't afford:

1) Publicly and privately, hold TSP to terror against India. A few clauses in aid packages etc.
2) Just as it does so in the case of Hamas (and Hamas doesn't threaten USA), publicly demand that TSP ought to arrest Hafeez Saeed and disband LeT. Ad USA has even a legal veneer to demand this; US citizines were killed on 26/11.

Tell me Sir, why won't USA takes these simple steps? Instead what we have is this fraud that Honcho Hoolbrooke has been puking, namely, for the first time since independnce, Taliban is threatning USA, TSP, and India. Doesn't that kind of sophistry, simply showing India the middle finger, make your BP rise?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Sep 2009 23:55

And the fact that US citizens were killed on 26/11 is what is keeping this still alive.

How long did the probes of 7/11 or the Diwali bombings in Delhi and in Jaipur last?

Nothing occurs in isolation. India's politicians don't fund the military, the military doesn't have the ability to knock out pakistan without sufficient harm to india.
India's politicians hold back india's intelligence agencies. India's intel agencies can't prevent pakistan from acquiring sufficient deterrence against an Indian attack.
We the people elect india's politicians, without demanding what we want as a nation to be delivered.

We want security, progress, strength, prestige, in which ever order. Now who do we blame?

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 07 Sep 2009 00:09

Karachi-is-Asias-largest-slum-not-Dharavi-UNDP
AoA

MUMBAI: Dharavi, which is in the heart of India's financial capital Mumbai, is not the largest slum in Asia as many believe, according to a

report by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).

"Dharavi is not Asia's largest slum, but Karachi's Orangi Township has surpassed Dharavi," the Human Development Report for Mumbai, compiled with the help of UNDP and released by the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC), said.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Sep 2009 00:43

AOA indeed
Jeeve jeeve paakistan

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Sep 2009 00:52

Gagan wrote:AOA indeed
Jeeve jeeve paakistan

Why are you laughing hain?

.... Pakis are always better than us in everything.