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archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Aug 2009 01:39

Akshut, are you an active participant of any other nation's defense forum?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 13 Aug 2009 05:00

Akshut wrote:Hi.
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May I know the reason for low presence of foreign nationals on BR.
Except for 2-3 chinese I dont see much foreigners here. If there are then kindly let me know.
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Why?? They may not find it interesting or they might think it is better to spend time in their country forums?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Aug 2009 08:05

Akshut wrote:Hi.
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May I know the reason for low presence of foreign nationals on BR.

Low presence in terms of those who register, log in and post. At any given time there are dozens of "guests" who may be from anywhere.

In general it is difficult for anyone to survive for long on these forums if you have opinions that are greatly at variance from those of most people on here.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Aug 2009 08:09

Akshut wrote:Hi.
May I know the reason for low presence of foreign nationals on BR.

If we are good enough for them, they will flock here.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Aug 2009 08:11

SwamyG wrote:If we are good enough for them, they will flock here.

The BENIS dhaaga is good enough for the pakis. Makes them feel welcome and at home. Are they visiting us yet ?

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 13 Aug 2009 13:47

Yes I am on quite few other forums. But most of the posters on some of them are amateurs.
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My point was that most of the discussions on BR are unanimous, and in symphony.
Though the level of intellect of the posters and the knowledge in the posts is way better than in any other forum I have seen, but I think the Mission of BR will be better accomplished if we can tune our first opinions, on the basis of the replies we can get from the nationals, upon whom those first opinions are based.
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MODS can always lock any puki member from jumping in Pak Benis Dhaga.
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I mean let them give privileges to post only on certain threads on which it would be beneficial to have their opinions. Which can prevent their obstruction to other threads on which their knick-pick is not needed.
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Just my opinion.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 13 Aug 2009 13:50

Anujan wrote:
SwamyG wrote:If we are good enough for them, they will flock here.
The BENIS dhaaga is good enough for the pakis. Makes them feel welcome and at home. Are they visiting us yet ?

2.6% BR forum visitors are from pakland. After adding Non-resident pukis, the figure of total puki lurkers must be around 5-10%.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Aug 2009 20:33

Akshut wrote: My point was that most of the discussions on BR are unanimous, and in symphony.

I wish! we wouldn't have to warn/ban so many people if that was the case!

No, we have disagreement but one thing where we are unanimous is that we share the love for Bharat. Our opinions on how things should be done may differ, but the aims are the same.

govardhanks · Post by **govardhanks** » 18 Aug 2009 11:31

To sir people,
A search engine with in the page of the BR forums can help a lot . Can we please have such a option. I mean like a box not like the link which opens newly after u click it.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 19 Aug 2009 15:33

Akshut wrote:
Anujan wrote:
The BENIS dhaaga is good enough for the pakis. Makes them feel welcome and at home. Are they visiting us yet ?
2.6% BR forum visitors are from pakland. After adding Non-resident pukis, the figure of total puki lurkers must be around 5-10%.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bharat-rakshak.com

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 20 Aug 2009 02:12

Was going through the BRF dictionary...me and my friends couldnt stop laughing...BRF leads in the satire field. Thanks to JC, Singha, Rahul, RayC sir, etc...Shankarosky!

And ArmenT

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Aug 2009 03:27

thanks should go to armenT !

Ranjan · Post by **Ranjan** » 20 Aug 2009 21:49

BTW why do I see the so called BOTS under the who is online tag at the end of each page... I hope they are not malicious code?????

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 20 Aug 2009 22:23

AFAIK BOTS are generaly 'spiders' from websites...on the World Wide WEB...which esp. for search engines find if new data has come up which is then added to their index...

Ranjan · Post by **Ranjan** » 20 Aug 2009 22:40

nikhil_p wrote:AFAIK BOTS are generaly 'spiders' from websites...on the World Wide WEB...which esp. for search engines find if new data has come up which is then added to their index...

Thanks.. I am new on this forum hence was surprised to see that ...not a techie so was worried:-). BTW can I get a link to the famous BRF dictionary from where you get these famous short forms e.g AFAIK.....

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 20 Aug 2009 22:45

Ranjan wrote:
nikhil_p wrote:AFAIK BOTS are generaly 'spiders' from websites...on the World Wide WEB...which esp. for search engines find if new data has come up which is then added to their index...
Thanks.. I am new on this forum hence was surprised to see that ...not a techie so was worried:-). BTW can I get a link to the famous BRF dictionary from where you get these famous short forms e.g AFAIK.....

http://sites.google.com/site/brfdiction ... age-brfite

BTW not a techie myself...but BRF teaches you A LOT!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Aug 2009 21:21

Ranjan wrote:
nikhil_p wrote:AFAIK BOTS are generaly 'spiders' from websites...on the World Wide WEB...which esp. for search engines find if new data has come up which is then added to their index...
Thanks.. I am new on this forum hence was surprised to see that ...not a techie so was worried:-). BTW can I get a link to the famous BRF dictionary from where you get these famous short forms e.g AFAIK.....

You need to be logged in to see this thread on the hijab and lingerie forum
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... ?f=24&t=46

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Aug 2009 04:20

Dear Admins/Moderators,

I writing this in the backdrop of the current discussion on partition.

We all know that Indian history, especially the past 1000 years, is full of religious conflicts and even a cursory study of a meaningful historical event is bound to bring religious angle. No analysis would be complete and intellectually honest if it does not include how different ideologies contradicted with each other leading to the cataclysmic outcomes that this nation has to live thru.

The very idea of “Partitioning India on the basis of religion” should have solved the religious tension once and for all. However we all have seen and lived thru communal riots almost on a yearly basis in Independent India. One can try to attribute these communal riots to many other social and political motivations but one cannot ignore the underlying communal tension in these painful events.

While I am addressing your total post, I have highlighted the interesting issues.

The thread is on Partition per se. What is the connection with post Partition communal tensions and why should that have to be discussed?

Is the thread's aim to discuss religion and the infirmities?

The religious dynamics of the past 1000 years is well known. It does not require recall and even if it does (in some people's perception) it has to be in context and not brought out for breast beating, lament or as a J'accuse.

This thread is also not a dirge.

Words like 'intellectual honest' though impressive, it does not cut ice.

The Partition was made on the premise that one specific community cannot coexist with the other (Please note that there were other religions too on this side) if that specific community is not in majority. It is not the issue of all communities, but of a specific community.

All post-partition communal tensions involved that specific community with very few exceptions.

I request you to recollect what I have said. I was open to correct myself and delete my post if proper reasoning was given. An impartial reader would clearly see where/who was breast beating

I agree with the common wisdom that it would be nearly impossible to moderate any discussion in the realm of religious-dynamics-of-Indian-history on a open forum like BRF. But then we cannot discuss any historical event that really matters to Indian social, strategic, and geo-political interests. This is same thought process that removed such references from our school text books and we know how it impacted the national consciousness.

That is your view.

There are other views too.

Look at where Pakistan has landed itself by involving everything to religion!

That is the point I was making. There are other views too. Why we are suppressing some views?

Pakistan has landed where it landed because of its ideology. There are other nations on the face of earth who are religious-centric and are doing just fine. Pakistan's case shouldn't make someone to put all religions/ideologies in the same basket.

At the same time I recognize the perceived or real intolerance in some posts. I too am a culprit of doing it. But the point I would like to make is, we will be doing ourselves and our beloved nation a disservice by not discussing anything controversial in the fear of hurting others and/or ourselves. If the objective of BRF is to discuss all aspects of Indian strategic environment then we cannot ignore topics of importance, however unpleasant and controversial they are.

We must find a way to take collective responsibility in having a respectful but honest discussion. Really appreciate some thought leadership in that direction.

Warm regards,
RamaY

One is not wary of addressing controversial or unpleasant issues.

But it has to be in context.

In fact, quite a few threads are thriving on controversies and unpleasantness.

Unpleasantness to whom? As long as it is towards certain posters it is tolerated. But if it touches some holy cows, it is becoming brest beating. Let's leave this here. Lets observe the posters for the next month and revisit this issue.

One suggestion I have is: Just delete any OT post. Without exception and without commentary. People will get the message. See if you can set the forum configuration so that the deleted post goes in the posters "IN" box. So they can contemplate on it and see why their post is deleted.

For example: If a comment on BT was deleted as soon as it was posted, there wouldn't be any response, inviting further rebuttals.

Regards,

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 28 Aug 2009 12:08

If storage is such a problem as some members here point out to be, can we avoid having threads like the "india in the eyes of chinese' thread where a single postor has been posting pages and pages of pretty large images?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 28 Aug 2009 12:22

I believe it is a problem.

The Administrators are working overtime!

Indeed the photos are a problems and so are the tit for tat that crowd the space without any constructive output!

Life is a drag! :phew!:

Mayuresh · Post by **Mayuresh** » 28 Aug 2009 14:15

I had also posted this on the Newbie corner, but no reply. I really want to know about the costs of indegeneous military equipment vis-a-vis imports

Can anyone tell me if there is a thread for equipment costs and comparisons here.

For example, I would want to compare the cost of MBRLs in addition to capabilities to see how effective Pinaka really is.

Similarly costs of tanks / artillery / ICVs / Guns and Howitzers/ small arms etc.

More importantly, costs of raising a new division / brigade / battalion / company / etc.

sombhat · Post by **sombhat** » 28 Aug 2009 19:12

What happened to the Humour thread!!!! did the adminullahs loose their un-pious sense of humour????

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 28 Aug 2009 20:03

Mayuresh wrote:I had also posted this on the Newbie corner, but no reply. I really want to know about the costs of indegeneous military equipment vis-a-vis imports

Can anyone tell me if there is a thread for equipment costs and comparisons here.

For example, I would want to compare the cost of MBRLs in addition to capabilities to see how effective Pinaka really is.

Similarly costs of tanks / artillery / ICVs / Guns and Howitzers/ small arms etc.

More importantly, costs of raising a new division / brigade / battalion / company / etc.

I wonder if this type of information would be available in an open source.

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 28 Aug 2009 20:12

sombhat wrote:What happened to the Humour thread!!!! did the adminullahs loose their un-pious sense of humour????

Here it is!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Sep 2009 23:34

I was wondering if it is a good idea to have a "BRF Predictions Watch" or "Monitoring BRF Predictions". It will be a thread to just list the predictions BRFites and other gurus make. There should be no discussion just listing by members. For example if I see somebody predicting that China will attack India in Fall 2009; then I could go to the thread and create a link to that post; and write a brief on it. In addition, gurus could walk in and post their predictions. All discussions, reasons and elaborations will be confined to appropriate threads.

Examples:
Prediction: China will attack India in Fall or Winter of 2009.
Member(s): XXXX
Prediction Date: August 2009.
Effect: October-December 2009.

Prediction: India will conduct nuclear tests
Member(s): XXXX
Prediction Date: August 2009.
Effect: October 2009.

Prediction: India will sign CTBT
Member(s): XXXX
Prediction Date: August 2009.
Effect: November 2009.

Prediction: Pakistan will break/dissolve
Member(s): XXXX
Prediction Date: August 2009.
Effect: December 2009.
ithyadi ithyadi...........

negi · Post by **negi** » 03 Sep 2009 00:33

Mods/Admins...kindly check your mail.

Cheers
negi

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 03 Sep 2009 10:57

Have the mods decided to turn the forums multi-lingual?

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 03 Sep 2009 11:32

tsriram wrote:Have the mods decided to turn the forums multi-lingual? :id
ea:

Its ok Tsriram, you can type here in Tamil too. It would be my oppurtunity to learn Tamil.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 03 Sep 2009 12:05

VijayKumarSinha wrote:
tsriram wrote:Have the mods decided to turn the forums multi-lingual? :id
ea:
Its ok Tsriram, you can type here in Tamil too. It would be my oppurtunity to learn Tamil.

I wouldn't. Its too much of an effort.

Besides, if someone posts something in a language other than english, would the mods please instruct them to post a translated version in english too? I remember Ramana saying something on these lines in nukkad iirc.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 03 Sep 2009 15:20

I think the Mods, while debating the issue, are leaving it multi cultural!

Σας ευχαριστώ για τη σκέψη σας!

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 03 Sep 2009 15:25

что Вы говорите? я не понимаю! помогите мне нравиться!

Это не может быть правильным!!!!!

αριθ.! αριθ.! αριθ.! Σας ευχαριστώ για το μυαλό σας!

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 04 Sep 2009 23:32

Paging RahulM...

Did you receive my email...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Sep 2009 18:18

nikhil, no.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 06 Sep 2009 18:33

The "new post" button is very confusing for a new member. IMHO "new thread" is more appropriate title for the button.
IIRC this issue was also brought up sometime back by another member.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 06 Sep 2009 19:02

The gloom is largely self-induced, and may have largely political party roots. During the period 1998-2004, as India changed from a semi-broke, dissed, outcast "rogue" nation that had just "obstructed" the CTBT and refused to sign up for Carbon reductions on the Global Warming scam, and soared to be described as the next SuperPower, if you read websites dominated by enthusiasts of the Opposition parties you would have seen not just gloom and doom, but explicit calls for foreign invasion etc.

During that time, BRF was quite active, because ppl here had no difficulty meshing their nationalism and pride with their party/religious preferences.

Since 2004 there is this "gloom and doom". Several ppl who were staunch nationalists have now started discovering that they were wrong all along - there is no nuclear deterrent, no Air Force, no Army, no Navy, no economic boom, no independence in foreign policy, and basically NOTHING to be proud of. More, they now articulate that democracy is, well, less than it was cracked up to be because the voters are too stupid to elect the "right" party, and the "right"party is swiftly doing "soosai demos" inside their own highest councils, the "leaders" describing each other as traitors on a daily basis. The idea of a secular govt, the primary distinguishing feature between a modern democracy and a medieval bigoto-terroristocracy, is now claimed widely on the forum to be a really bad one, and many here seem to be wistfully looking at the wonders of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan for inspiration. During 1998-2004, even through the dark days of 2002, those pushing this line were systematically kicked out. No longer.

So my point is that if you start a "Bojitive Neuj Yindoostan" thread, it will be swiftly engulfed by

from ppl with mostly politico-bigot motives, who are absolutely DETERMINED to "expose" the Corrupt and Traitorous Nature of All Except Themselves. No mod will have enough time to do the banning needed to maintain order, or to put up with the even louder

that follows.

If you would like to point out the positives, find the

and counter it. It's sure easy to find - it's all over the forum.

JMT. Cheers
But I agree with you 400% that there is way too much

on the forum, except that I believe that this is the "raisin dieter" of those members here.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Sep 2009 19:25

ajatshatru, "a nation on the move" thread is till there I think.

regarding the new post button, isn't

[CAUTION: You will be starting a new thread!]

enough or do people have a problem reading two sentences in the span of a minute ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Sep 2009 19:57

I want to address N^3 here.
If I report a post based on what I see as possibly offensive language used by a poster, how does that translate into me being warned? If the forum mods don't believe that the poster is trolling, they can allow the poster in question to continue on the forum.

But why warn the person who intimated the mods? The logic doesn't seem right here.

N^3 is attributing motives to me where none existed.

N^3 I am waiting for a reason here.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 06 Sep 2009 22:41

I accept Gagan's explanation, since he didn't intend any motive - the warning will be retracted ASAP, and my apologies to Gagan.

I did want to say that I strongly disagreed with Gagan's report, but saw no way to do that in the "post report" response process to say that. Beyond that, yes, I do appreciate people reporting posts that they feel cross the line, and they should be able to do that without earning a warning unless they keep doing it as a habit or to try to get other postors out of an argument.

OTOH, reporting without some clear reasons is not a good thing either, and in this case, I saw no basis for a report.

Anyway, there should be some way of communicating a "no, I see nothing at all here, don't try to get a sincere postor in trouble, why are you doing this?" without issuing a warning. Please let me know how to retract that warning. Thanks, and my apologies again to Gagan.

The other issues with what led to the post that was reported, are unfortunate, but that is what I saw there. No error in that, I'm afraid.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Sep 2009 23:27

VikB · Post by **VikB** » 08 Sep 2009 12:33

Hi

I wanted to know about the courses related to strategy, defence affairs, international affairs, etc that are being currently offered in India (and maybe abroad also - if online) in different colleges/universities. Is there any thread already for this? Can this warrant a new thread?