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g.kacha wrote: Indian army to deploy prostitutes as women battalion in Held Kashmir
The Indian Army is deploying around 200 prostitutes under the cover of Border Security Force’s constables in the Indian occupied Kashmir along with the Line of Control., The Daily Mail has learnt through authoritative sources.
The writer even has a angrej-ni name for this article. :rotfl:
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India should share actionable information: Pak Foreign Office

This is really hilarious. The leader of the murder gang is saying that if the intended-victim has any info about the murderous attack planned on him, that precise info should be shared with the leader of the gang. However, the victim has also made a bargain to that effect with the murder gang's leader so the demand by the gang leader is par for the course perhaps.
"We have repeatedly requested the Indian government to share with us whatever information it has in this regard. Sharing of real-time, credible and actionable information on any future terrorist threats was deemed essential by the Prime Ministers of Pakistan and India at the Sharm el-Sheikh summit," said a statement from Pakistan's foreign office spokesman.

The spokesman was reacting to comments made earlier in the day by home minister P Chidambaram, who told a meeting of top police officials in New Delhi that Pakistan-based groups like Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) were continuing to plan terror strikes in India.
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Serves India's netas right.
The neta breed has used just this argument to fool the general public all these years. This argument being shot back at them and that too by the pakees is hilarious.

In the bottom of our hearts we all knew, that short of war, pakistan will simply not sentence or hand over the terrorists. Hell the permanent gobernment of pakistan - the pak fauj, asked them to do the terrorist attacks in the first place. India was never about to pressure the pak fauj so that they would 'scapegoat' the terrorists to preserve echendee.

Without pressuring pak fauj, and the only way to do that is in the battlefield, the terrorist movement will not come to an end. Period, fullstop.
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I don't think our netas are fools and don't understand this.

Yet they were putting up a show of going the legal route for the consumption of the indian public, and the int community for the purpose of earning brownie points by showing its piss loving and law abiding nature.

The question is why?
The economy is said to be the main reason. But now with tarrel fliend on the borders, this economy angle is also going to be in threat.
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Fourteen killed in Karachi stampede

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=86981

Singh Government has announced Rs100,000 each for the bereaved families
I did not know there is a SINGH in Sindh! Unless Indian PM wanted to be generous.
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^^^
:rotfl: Careful now the pak gobernment will start claiming that singh is meddling in sindh :((
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SSridhar:

I know you were sarcastic, but far from being hilarious, it is yet another attempt by Pakis to show India what a bunch of eunuchs we are. Mumbai has now become a footnote. I was watching all the US big-wigs, honcho Holbrooke, the chief commanders etc on Charlie Rose the other night. They were effusive in their praise for TSPA taking on the terrorists despite incidents like Mumbai that threatent relations between India & TSP. Listening to US spinning away Mumbai in such causual terms was mind boggling. I can only imagine the fun TSP RAPE are having.

Gagan:

I don't believe India can deliver a good punch to TSP at the momnent and thats why this song & dance by both sides to see how to use USA to their benefit. Best course for India would be keep TSP at arms' length; that itself will cause enough pain.
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India not our enemy

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=198317

Finally a correct version of history from a paki brigadier no less! (I hope he really is a Paki brigadier and not one of our brfites!)
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India can deliver a punch to pakistan. It is in the future that this becomes doubtful. Pakistan is now being re-armed again after the lull brought on by the nuke tests, suddenly they have the agostas, a F-22 frigate, upgraded Eff solahs with amraams etc.
Militarily now is when the difference the most perhaps the most ever.

I think china dancing on India's borders is actually a tango with pakistan to keep india looking over its shoulders to the north, while pakistan can build up securly. Then pakistan will do that dance on the LOC to make india look west again.
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What stops a few brahmos from landing in muridke? or from a truck bomb going off at ISI hq in pindi?

India should have done this and then waited for pakistan to reply militarily. Pak fauj won't commit suicide, they can't fight India militarily. They would have looked impotent within their own nation, all echendee in tatters.
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Gagan wrote:What stops a few brahmos from landing in muridke? or from a truck bomb going off at ISI hq in pindi?

India should have done this and then waited for pakistan to reply militarily. Pak fauj won't commit suicide, they can't fight India militarily. They would have looked impotent within their own nation, all echendee in tatters.
I disagree. TSP is looking for a full-scale war, and any percieved loss by them, they will invoke the nuke factor, and might even nuke India. The whole scenario might end up in a stalemate at best, exactly what TSP is looking for. As you said they are not suicidal, but look at the alacrity with which they readied themselves to fight post Mumbai which forced India to back off. As I said, covert warfare, if India is capable of that, that is, along with overt diplomatic/economic hardline is India's best bet. I think unless India as a whole see TSP's ugly face, there will not be enough of a threshold to tke TSP on.
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Then what is India left with?
Can;t fight overtly with the pukes, cant go all out against the chinese?
If India had so much heartburn over the chinese taking over some area of J&K why wasn;t the IA ordered to retake it the next season or later?
GoI deliberately tied its own hands by not equipping the armed forces on time. The time factor is the key here. GoI does veer around to giving the equipment, but it takes years.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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:rotfl:

That is a sign that it is causing Pakis real taqleef. Their echandee is at stake because they will have to shoot at women and that India consider it enough to have women facing Pakis.
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So TSP, PRC and unkil-auntee tango are against yindia only. Why haven't they attacked us already? I expect its only a matter of time. Should we lose Arunachal, ladakh and sikkim in the next blitzkreig, would it not be an acceptable loss to pay for a growing ekhanomy, eh?
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Gagan wrote:Then what is India left with?
Can;t fight overtly with the pukes, cant go all out against the chinese?
If India had so much heartburn over the chinese taking over some area of J&K why wasn;t the IA ordered to retake it the next season or later?
GoI deliberately tied its own hands by not equipping the armed forces on time. The time factor is the key here. GoI does veer around to giving the equipment, but it takes years.
Don't let armed forces off too easily. I didn't see any resignations for pathetic equipment acquisition process and war preparedness. It seems they were more interested Gov posting and making bombastic statements after 26/11 stating that we will fight with what we have.
The fact is that after Kargil, the Pakis again caught us with pants down ...
Unfortunately, as in Kargil, our Jawans and young officers, will suffer and save the day
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CRamS wrote:I disagree. TSP is looking for a full-scale war, and any percieved loss by them, they will invoke the nuke factor, and might even nuke India.
Our politicians should make it clear to Pakistan that we are ready to lose one city but after that there will be no Pakistan. I still don't understand why India is not sending this message to Pakistan.
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Our politicians should make it clear to Pakistan that we are ready to lose one city but after that there will be no Pakistan. I still don't understand why India is not sending this message to Pakistan.
I believe the message is there for all to see. NFU then second strike capability, missile development - all this points to the fact that nukes against yindia will invite annihilation, period. Anything less than that and deterrence would already have broken down, IMHO.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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^^ So why didn't govt. allow LoC crossing in Kargil ?
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It appears that the threat to cross the LOC was there, and that is what made pakistan blink.
The IN was 200 kms off karachi and the western fleet was fully deployed. That kind of force level will deter 180 + nations on the face of this planet except 5 or 6 countries.
The the IAF was indulging in cross LOC voilations, and the pakistanis had to deploy their eff solahs (their only fighters with on board radars at that time) out of sargodha. By the time those fighters reached the LOC they were limited to an hour worth of flying time before they had to be recovered for refuelling.

Had the war expanded, that would have been the end of pakistan.
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shravan wrote:^^ So why didn't govt. allow LoC crossing in Kargil ?
Indian troops were denied tourist visas by Pakistan.
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Flour giveaway in Pakistan turns into deadly stampede (CNN)
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Fourteen women were killed Monday in a stampede during a flour giveaway in the Pakistani city of Karachi, police said. Another 19 people were injured, regional police chief Abdullah Shaikh said.
A man named Chaudhry Iftikhar had organized the giveaway at his compound to help the poor. Police said Iftikhar has been arrested because he did not notify proper authorities before holding the giveaway.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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Looks like in pakistan the motto is
Roti, kapda, aur Jaan
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Bomb kills 2 in restive northwest Pakistan (AP)
An official says a bomb has killed two security officers in northwest Pakistan... three officers were also injured.
IED Mubarak!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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^^^ update posted to article above states;
Some 350 tribal police in Khyber quit their posts after the chief of Lashkar-e-Islam made a radio broadcast telling all government officials to resign in protest over the military operation, said local government official, Fazal Mahmood.

Tariq Hayat, the top government official in the area, said the men would be fired. "I would presume that their loyalty lies with (the militants) rather than with the state," he told the ExpressNews TV network. "We are terminating those people. The orders are being issued just now."
Pakistan sacks 700 tribal policemen subject to Taliban threats (Xinhua)

How can the boss fire you after you have already fired your boss? Unless every policeman was fired twice after already having quit once, who are the other 350 unmentionables who got fired without being tested for loyalty?
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Saudi lends a hand to purify pureland of remaining impurities
‘Saudi charity funding pro al-Qaeda terror outfits in Pak’
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sou ... 47176.html

September 14th, 2009 - 3:53 pm ICT by ANI Tell a Friend -

Taliban Islamabad, Sep. 14 (ANI): A Saudi Arabian charity has funded 15 million dollars to a pro al-Qaeda militant organization to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan, Pakistani police has claimed.”The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan is likely to strike major cities of the Punjab. The joint plans of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan are to target Shias,” The News quoted a report prepared by the Crime Investigation Department, as saying.

According to the report, a major chunk of funds gathered by Al-Haramain Foundation goes to fund terror activities of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.The Al-Haramain Foundation has been banned by the UN Security Council for its links to al-Qaeda.

Hakimullah Mehsud, the successor to slain Pak-Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, has vowed to avenge his killing in a US drone attack in August, the CID report says. “The new Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan chief Hakimullah Mehsud and his cousin Qari Hussain Ahmed have strong anti-Shia views and ties with the (banned) Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammed,” the report pointed out. (ANI)
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CRamS wrote:
Gagan wrote:What stops a few brahmos from landing in muridke? or from a truck bomb going off at ISI hq in pindi?

India should have done this and then waited for pakistan to reply militarily. Pak fauj won't commit suicide, they can't fight India militarily. They would have looked impotent within their own nation, all echendee in tatters.
I disagree. TSP is looking for a full-scale war, and any percieved loss by them, they will invoke the nuke factor, and might even nuke India. The whole scenario might end up in a stalemate at best, exactly what TSP is looking for. As you said they are not suicidal, but look at the alacrity with which they readied themselves to fight post Mumbai which forced India to back off. As I said, covert warfare, if India is capable of that, that is, along with overt diplomatic/economic hardline is India's best bet. I think unless India as a whole see TSP's ugly face, there will not be enough of a threshold to tke TSP on.

I agree. Their mindset is akin to that of a lobotomized chimp on LSD. They think in terms of grand religious struggle as well. In a nuclear war their hope is to wipe out all of "Hindu" civilization while a counterstrike by us on P-stan is viewed as benevolent sacrifice for their Ummah. After the ashes settle they harbor illusions of grandeur of a grand Islamic re-colonization of the subcontinent finally closing the chapter on Vedic civilization.

Retarded I know.
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bahdada wrote:
I agree. Their mindset is akin to that of a lobotomized chimp on LSD. .............
:rotfl: gold.
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bahdada wrote:[

I agree. Their mindset is akin to that of a lobotomized chimp on LSD. They think in terms of grand religious struggle as well. In a nuclear war their hope is to wipe out all of "Hindu" civilization while a counterstrike by us on P-stan is viewed as benevolent sacrifice for their Ummah. After the ashes settle they harbor illusions of grandeur of a grand Islamic re-colonization of the subcontinent finally closing the chapter on Vedic civilization.

Retarded I know.
Retardness and Pakiness are constant natutral phenomemon : Both come together like S..it and stink. You cant have without the other.
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Rahul Shukla wrote:^^^ update posted to article above states;
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How can the boss fire you after you have already fired your boss? Unless every policeman was fired twice after already having quit once, who are the other 350 unmentionables who got fired without being tested for loyalty?
Shuklaji, the other 350 unmentionables who got fired may have been the sheathed mizzile types whose loyalty is automatically suspect.
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Rashid Rauf 'training dozens of British terrorist recruits in Pakistan' (Telegraph)
Pakistan intelligence said that Rauf, who mysteriously escaped from police custody and was then reported killed by a missile fired by US drone last November, used the name Khalid to recruit fellow Britons for training at a camp in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
British security and intelligence officials have said they believe Rauf may have survived the missile strike and could be planning further attacks.
I'm not even going to try to get into the details of his so called "mysterious" escape but it is very inerestingly noted that Rauf dude is very possibly waging jihad against kafirs even in the afterlife. Whatever happened to allah's promise of 72 nymphs and eternal priapism in lieu of services rendered?

Or could it be that he's probably not as dead as Pakistanis claimed? Hmm... :mrgreen:
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PM alerts nation to brace for energy, gas, water crisis
Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani has said that the nation should be ready to face power, gas and water crises while the government is chalking out short and long-term strategies to overcome them.
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India saves Pakis Ass
After nine Bangladeshi soldiers on a peace-keeping mission in restive Congo were surrounded and killed by rebels last week, their colleagues in the United Nations decided to come up with a ‘‘robust response’’.These colleagues happened to be soldiers from India and Pakistan. What followed was a classic operation in which an Indian helicopter supported Pakistani ground troops and ended up killing at least 50 militiamen in Congo’s troubled Ituri region.
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This occurred 4 years ago
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Nothing new here. But FP has an article (FP was founded by Samuel Huntington of clash of civilizations fame)
How America Is Funding Corruption in Pakistan: Foreign Policy Magazine

"When [Musharraf] looks me in the eye and says, ... 'there won't be a Taliban and won't be al Qaeda,' I believe him, you know?" So said George W. Bush of then Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in September 2006.

But today, as the Obama administration re-examines the deal, there is devastating evidence that the billions spent in Pakistan have yielded little in return.

Until last year, the closest the Army came to accounting for its work was its annual budget submission: a single, bottom-line dollar figure that the government was constitutionally bound to approve. Even now, after a much-hailed move toward more oversight, the Army's most recent annual budget submission was just two pages.
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shravan wrote:^^ So why didn't govt. allow LoC crossing in Kargil ?

shravan - in any country, leave alone a democracy no single or group of people can decide on behalf of other citizens that "we are prepared to lose a city". Ideally we must not lose a city. but the retaliation for even losing a few desert huts is the promise of retaliation.

The decision to "not cross the LoC" is based on history. In 1965 Pakistan sent infiltrators into Kashmir (Operation Gibraltar) and as that failed they attacked with the army (Operation Grand Slam). The attack was pretty fierce and in order to take pressure off the Indian forces in Kashmir Lal Bahadur Shastri ordered a spreading of the conflict so that India attacked across the International border in Punjab. This is why Pakistan accuses India of starting the 1965 war - denying earlier events.

In 1999 Pakistani logic was that India would be too afraid to cross the LoC because of Pakistani nukes and that Pakistan would be able to achieve local gains in Kashmir by cutting off NH 1A and forcing India to lose Siachen. What this plan did not foresee was that India would be able to mop up the trouble locally without expanding the conflict. The signal being sent to Pakistan was that with their doctrine of first use - they would have to use start a formal war or use their nukes in order to win Kargil. It turned out that Pakistan was unable/unwilling to use nukes despite readying them and had to withdraw.

There was a real challenge in Kargil. The war was an invitation for Pakistan to live up to its boast of using nukes first and Pakistan blinked - and its doctrine was explained as first use if Pakistan was threatened. In other words Pakistan's nuclear doctrine became one of "defence" in which use of nukes would be only if Pakistan was attacked. But such a doctrine obviously leaves Pakistani forces who are attacking India naked. They cannot expect nuclear help. This makes any future direct Pakistani attack on India more difficult because Pakistan will get nuked when they attack and use nukes, but India will not attack Pakistan, giving them an excuse to use their nukes.

Maybe Pakis will come up with another plan (as was predicted on BR) where they will nuke their own territory and claim that India has attacked - but that remains to be seen. However this is a trick India can play too - if Pakistan attacks. Explode a small fizzle in the desert if Pakistan attacks, blame it on Pakistan and prepare to retaliate.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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bahdada wrote:

I agree. Their mindset is akin to that of a lobotomized chimp on LSD. They think in terms of grand religious struggle as well. In a nuclear war their hope is to wipe out all of "Hindu" civilization while a counterstrike by us on P-stan is viewed as benevolent sacrifice for their Ummah. After the ashes settle they harbor illusions of grandeur of a grand Islamic re-colonization of the subcontinent finally closing the chapter on Vedic civilization.

Retarded I know.
From there point of view it is perfectly logical
As Jinnah said - I have a loaded gun. I will use it
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shravan wrote:^^ So why didn't govt. allow LoC crossing in Kargil ?
It does not need any stupid long answer. It was to show the rest of world that India is a responsible nuke power. Blame it on TSP
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The friends Pakistan has ---- Rahimullah Yusufzai
Pervez Musharraf, we are told, left Pakistan after a deal worked out by international players. Mushahid Hussain Sayed, the PML-Q secretary general who came close to Musharraf after suffering at his hands following the military coup against the democratically elected Prime inister Nawaz Sharif in October 1999, made it clear that the deal guaranteed protection to the retired general. The so-called "international players," who obviously include Americans, Saudis, the British, the Hariris of Lebanon and the UAE's ruling sheikhs, are happy to guarantee that the military usurper remains unharmed even if he committed treason, not once but twice, under Article 6 of the Constitution. They have no respect for Pakistan's Constitution and laws because we Pakistanis and our institutions don't have any regard for those legal niceties, either.

Musharraf, visibly unfazed in keeping with his stubborn character, also hinted at those deals when he claimed in a recent TV interview that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia had assured him that PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif won't press for his trial under Article 6. Though the PML-N leadership has issued a denial and the Saudi Arabian authorities, in keeping with their discreet style of working, are keeping quiet, there should be little doubt that the Saudis are once again playing an important role in sweeping vital Pakistani issues under the carpet and averting confrontation between the major political forces in Pakistan. If this wasn't the case, why would Musharraf and then Nawaz Sharif present themselves in the Saudi royal court, showing obeisance as seen on television screens to King Abdullah in a manner that gives one the feeling that they owe everything to the Saudi monarch. As if the American and British meddling in Pakistani affairs wasn't bad enough, we now have to contend with Saudi involvement in Pakistan's politics, not for anything concerning Islamabad's national interest but for the purpose of protecting a former military dictator from accountability or getting a sacked prime minister released from jail and offering him refuge in Saudi Arabia.

If all these countries and their rulers were Pakistan's true friends, they would have advocated the case of the people of Pakistan, instead of those of some powerful individuals, and taken steps to promote respect for the country's laws and institutions. Saving one former ruler and protecting another goes against the interest of the Pakistani people. This creates doubts in the minds of the people about the intentions of those professing to be Pakistan's friends. The Saudis, in particular, appear sincere in wanting to help and stabilise Pakistan and their economic assistance to the country in times of need is no secret. But they need to befriend the people of Pakistan, and not individuals who wronged their nation and now want to escape accountability with help from the generous and forgiving Saudis.
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