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Some very good news.
Report Card of Ministry of Home Affairs for August, 2009
Internal Security
5. A new dossier on the role of Hafiz Saeed and the evidence against him, gathered from Kasab and other sources, was handed over on 20 August 2009 to the Ministry of External Affairs to be transmitted to the Government of Pakistan.

6. August 2009 witnessed a number of wanton acts of violence by Left wing Extremists. Nevertheless, Government is confident of persuading a number of naxalites to surrender and opt for rehabilitation. Hence, revised Guidelines and a package for Surrender and Rehabilitation of Naxalites were issued on 26 August, 2009 in order to encourage naxalites to lay down arms.

7. Suspension of Operations (SoO) Agreements with the Kuki National Organisation (KNO) and the United People’s Front (UPF) of Manipur were extended by a year upto 21 August, 2010. Likewise, the

SoO with the United People’s Democratic Solidarity (UPDS) of Assam was extended by six months upto 31 January, 2010.

8. The Third round of tripartite talks between the Government of India, Government of West Bengal and the Gorkha Janmukti Morcha (GJM) led by Shri Anmol Prasad was chaired by the Home Secretary on 11 August, 2009. I may point out that GJM leadership has been positive about the outcome of the talks. The next round of talks is planned for 21 December, 2009 at Darjeeling.

9. Sanction was issued on 11 August, 2009 for the release of special assistance under a Central Scheme for setting up of seven temporary Counter Insurgency and Anti-Terrorism (CIAT) Schools during the financial year 2009-10 to the State Governments of Assam (2), Bihar (2), Chhattisgarh (1), Jharkhand (1) and Orissa (1).

10. A Security Related Expenditure (SRE) advance of Rs. 20 crore was released to the States against a BE of Rs. 80 crore for 2009-10 on 28 August, 2009.
There is loads of info in the report card on various issues related to National Security.
15. Sanction was issued on 13 August 2009 for setting up a Research and Technology Centre in the Intelligence Bureau. 77 posts were also sanctioned.
The above is the one I have been calling for, since 2005. Thank God it is finally sanctioned.
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Rishi wrote:
sunny y wrote:Does anybody have any photo of NTRO or RAW campus ?

If yes please upload it.....


Thanks
Yes. Please copy-paste question here: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/postin ... f=1&t=4985
I posted it there but I didn't get any proper reply.....Honestly, I don't even understand what is going on there.....I don't know if it's ok to publish their pics but it would be really motivating to see their campus, building something like that....

Can u please upload it here ?

By the way, Is it similiar to NSA's campus ?


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it used to be something like this, long back.

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^^^ :(( :(( :((

No wonder our recon photos are grainy. Look at that building!!
When will we have a pretty one like that Pancha-kone of unkil, with clean cut lads going in and out through the foyer with purposeful faraway looks and the uglier babus scurrying in through backyard tunnels :cry:
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sunny y wrote:Does anybody have any photo of NTRO or RAW campus ?

If yes please upload it.....

Thanks
Sure... why not. Go to Bangalore, near Vijayanagar on G.Earth. There is a large water tank abt 1 km linear from a lake. The NTRO campus is in this area... for ease of identification, they have a nice ornamental garden with the plants pruned in text saying "Hello A.hole". There's a hand next to it showing finger(s) of choice.

Good luck with info hunting
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15. Sanction was issued on 13 August 2009 for setting up a Research and Technology Centre in the Intelligence Bureau. 77 posts were also sanctioned.
77 posts is quite a lot! Sounds like its going to be a Tech nerve-centre of IB intel and operations. I wonder if they are going to do any research - since NTRO already does that... What kind of research would IB want anyway?
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^^ Inshallah, the centre is going to be extremely important for future IB equipment. Think interception/code breakers. These equipment are currently being imported from western nations.

NTRO's research are in totally different areas.
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Riyaz Bhatkal traced to Pak, his phone call matches voice sample
Riyaz Bhatkal, the elusive co-founder of Indian Mujahideen (IM) and one of the country’s most wanted men for his alleged role in the bomb blasts in Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Delhi last year, is believed to have slipped out of India and found safe haven in Pakistan.

His elder brother Iqbal, another IM fugitive wanted in connection with the same terror attacks, is still at large within India.

Riyaz’s presence in Pakistan was discovered nearly two months ago when he called an associate in India, top security sources said. Phones of some of Riyaz’s associates in India were being monitored by central intelligence agencies and Riyaz’s call was detected and the location traced to Pakistan, they said. His identity was confirmed after voice samples with the agencies were matched with that of the voice on the call, they added.

“The call from Pakistan was made around two months ago, and we worked on it for a while to confirm whether it was actually Riyaz Bhatkal’s voice. Samples of his voice from previous intercepts collected while he was still in the country were found to match with this call,” said an official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Big Q is: Will another dossier be sent across begging for his capture or will some actual black ops happen to get him?
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This is a problem that has existed for the last 5-8years. Its only being made a big deal now. LeT has been using this method for communication for a very very long time. Although to be fair, the technology to intercept this comms is fairly new. French and Russian intelligence held a seminar on comparing both their technologies on how to best intercept VoIP. It is fairly new. Even the current systems arent great. The US probably has the best systems.

IB calls for block of VoIP services citing security concerns
India’s Intelligence Bureau (IB) has reportedly called on the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology to block all internet telephony services in and out of the country until the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) is able to track such calls, the Economic Times reports. The IB claims that India currently lacks the necessary technology to track VoIP calls, and argues that this presents a national security issue, with the bureau noting: ‘In the absence of Caller Line Identification (CLI) parameters of calls landing from abroad, it is next to impossible to identify the country of location of the caller. Moreover, of late a number of service providers in India have started providing VoIP solutions for making calls both domestics as well as foreign. The calls passing through the VoIP/IP route contain inadequate parameters rendering it impossible to trace the actual callers. As DoT had conveyed that it is not possible to mandate transmission of CLI from abroad, we had approached DoT to block such calls till a technical solution is found.’

Should the DoT act on the recommendations, hundreds of thousands of VoIP subscribers would be affected; according to the latest available statistics from the Telecoms Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) there are 34 companies providing commercial VoIP services at the end of March 2009, and more than 130 million minutes of calls using internet telephony were logged between January and March 2009.
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sum wrote:Big Q is: Will another dossier be sent across begging for his capture or will some actual black ops happen to get him?
I have always wondered why terrorists targeting India are blessed with such a long life. What stops them from dying in random accidents or shootings.
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abhiti wrote:
sum wrote:Big Q is: Will another dossier be sent across begging for his capture or will some actual black ops happen to get him?
I have always wondered why terrorists targeting India are blessed with such a long life. What stops them from dying in random accidents or shootings.
We have our Hon. PM I K Gujral to thank for that. :evil:
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development of terrain hugging cruise missile or stealth UAVs which can fire Helina (made in china?) onto symbolic targets so that these vermin feel like "deadman walking" every minute of their lives, then deny the incidents (they suspect RAW anyways)

however, in our priorities MRCA is definitely more important, so they can keep indulging in terrorist attacks and our response would be in the lines of "had we crossed the IB, TSP will have nuked us", so now we don't even make the effort instead we do dossier fighting aka pillow fighting
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vasu_ray wrote:development of terrain hugging cruise missile or stealth UAVs which can fire Helina (made in china?) onto symbolic targets so that these vermin feel like "deadman walking" every minute of their lives, then deny the incidents (they suspect RAW anyways)
Not sure what you meant there :?:
Helina = Heli launched Nag, i.e. Indian made.
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Sriman wrote:Not sure what you meant there :?:
Helina = Heli launched Nag, i.e. Indian made.
I am asking to change the label when fired into TSP, so ISI 'meets' PRC in its investigation like PRC did fake drugs on our name in Africa

the cruise missile, say if its reusable, it never needs to land in TSP, drop or fire a Helina from its 'internal bay' (where its payload usually sits) and comes back to a airfield for recovery, of the 24 different kinds of warheads it is supposed to be configured with, this can be one type
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From Nightwatch, 9/15/09 commenting on US objectives released today:
Reader alert: Long commentary follows.

Special comment: Today intelligence was on parade. The Director of National Intelligence published the National Intelligence Strategy and the Brookings Institution published Lieberthal’s criticism of intelligence under the Bush 43 administration.

Both are praiseworthy documents to the extent that they advance the profession of intelligence. Sadly, that distance is small.

Readers might wonder about six mission objectives in the National Intelligence Strategy, none of which mention the words, “use intelligence to help keep the Republic safe from all dangers and help advance its prosperity.”

The order of the six objectives also is odd because strategic warning is third in this 2009 document, but it is the primary mission for the new CIA that is specified in the legislative history of the National Security Act of 1947. The DCI was the only intelligence officer who had a Congressional mandate to provide strategic warning. The Secretary of Defense is the only official who has a Congressional mandate to provide tactical military warning of threats against the national territory. Some one should tell Secretary Gates. In the 9/11 attack, both the national and the defense warning systems failed.

Apparently no one briefed Dennis Blair that this mandate fell to him, as the successor of the DCI. Nothing in subsequent legislation relieved the Director of National Intelligence of his primary responsibility to provide strategic warning, NOT to combat violent extremism. Poor staff support to a fine leader.

It is unclear what has happened since 1947 so that this mission has become third, behind countering WMD proliferation, despite the clear statement of Congressional intent. When did the civil service get so smart and autonomous that it could ignore with impunity the explicit direction of Congress … which pays the bills.

The “strategy” works as a tactical blueprint for today’s problems. It describes, however, no strategic architecture that is informed by more than 60 years of intelligence experience in strategic intelligence or by a vision of future strategic challenges. It is a document for the here and now. That temporal reach will not help protect the country in the future when the number of advanced weapons systems in multiple countries exceeds those of the US.

More to the point, when did helping protect American territory, persons, property and interests and those of our allies go out of fashion? The six mission objectives only have value to the extent they serve the fundamental task of keeping the Republic safe. It is not self evident that they do that because the new so-called strategy fails to make the connection.

As for the seven enterprise objectives, one would search in vain to find the words, “high accuracy in the exercise of professional judgment in applying intelligence to help solve national security problems.” Going back to basics, the fundamental task is to be right in time for executive action: to manage a threatening situation or take advantage of an opportunity.

The two sets of objectives in fact look as if they were put together by committees, which would support enterprise objectives 1, 2, 4 and maybe 6, but not accuracy nor national safety … because they are not mentioned, oddly.

In addition, none of the enterprise objectives since 2005 have responded to problems of analysis that have been identified over and over in the more than 60 years of crisis after action reports. These cover crises from Pearl Harbor to 9/11. In one way or another, all identified and described the primary problem with intelligence is that it is wrong too often, and invariably when it counted most to be correct, because of cognitive failures by the analysts. Every after action report concluded there was always enough information collected and available to justify dissemination of a prudent and reasonable warning. The analysts failed.

Where are the approaches in the national strategy for fixing the “thinking failures” of analysts? None are mentioned in work force development or any other enterprise objective. All Readers should understand and demand that getting it right is the ultimate professional intelligence objective and the standard for accountability to the taxpayers. Everything else is trivial or inconsequential.

NightWatch points out that the omission from a national intelligence strategy of any words about keeping the Republic safe from all enemies foreign and domestic proves once again that in 2009 the primary problem with intelligence officers is cognitive failure. The very well educated people who put the strategy document together failed to remember, or never learned, the fundamental task set by Congress. But they did well on everything else, mind.

Intelligence is not an enterprise; business models are inappropriate to public service activities that are governed by the law of trusts. Public service is a public trust, not a contract. By law, trustees are required to preserve the corpus, make it profitable and render accounts of their service to the owners of the trust, among other legal obligations.

Intelligence service is a public trust to use secret information and insights to help ensure national security. The safety of the nation is the corpus that is protected for the benefit of the citizens. Accurate intelligence is a product that is larger and much more important than knowledge. The trustees are supposed to accountable.


The aim is not to expand the knowledge of the world, but to keep America and Americans safe. In the post Pearl Harbor era, the founders of intelligence agencies never lost sight of that and left their dread of an attack on the national territory and patrimony as a legacy. That legacy has somehow gotten misplaced in 2009. At a minimum it is not restated anywhere in the national intelligence strategy.

As for the Brookings study, Lieberthal replows old furrows for the most part, and rather superficially. He resurrects timeless whines from analysts who credit their contribution more than results merit.

For example, criticisms of the customer or user of intelligence for not being more helpful are contained in multiple surveys of analysts, but are always laughable. What shop keeper gripes that his customers are not smart enough to buy his product, won’t help give him advice on how to market his product, but expects to stay in business … only in the mind of the people who talked to Lieberthal.

Moreover, the topic is intelligence, in other words, the profession that prides itself on the ability to learn secrets, even from our own government officials. Lieberthal writes intelligence needs help from the users of intelligence. Readers should note that intelligence analysts have making the same whine for more than 60 years. It seems the time is long past for growing up. Something in the training of intelligence officers is seriously wrong for this adolescent complaint to survive so many decades.

He posits several clever variations on old themes. First is that he criticizes President Bush 43 for spending too much time with his daily morning intelligence team and the PDB. Lieberthal breaks new ground here because he considers an hour a day with intelligence to be somehow not enough or flawed in other ways. The product written for the President, the PDB, had too much influence on the President, he says. This is a laughable criticism.

In 42 years of intelligence work, Lieberthal’s study is the first to criticize a President for his interest in intelligence. In all the crises since 1947, the common, consistent criticism of senior executives is that they failed to listen to intelligence or disregarded its warnings. Now we encounter Lieberthal criticizing a President for paying too much attention to the product written to get his attention!

Another novelty is the assertion that National Intelligence Estimates should not be declassified. Some one needs to remind Lieberthal that the people who pay for intelligence have a right to know what they are paying for, within the boundaries of good judgment and national security. Apparently, Lieberthal would disagree with the late Senator Moynihan who described the national security classification system as an unconstitutional form of censorship.

Declassification at least nods in the direction of accountability for flawed judgments. It remains a national shame that no intelligence people were held accountable for the cognitive failures that disarmed the Republic before 9/11.

In reading the legislative history of the National Security Act of 1947, the clear intent of Congress is that the United States must never be attacked again. For that sole purpose, it created the Defense Department and the CIA. Lieberthal and the National Intelligence Strategy contain no ideas that offer hope that the intent of Congress shall be fulfilled by this new generation of intelligence officers. Moreover, Lieberthal’s study is difficult to take seriously. The sources he consulted do not know their profession.
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Bureaucrats sweat as austerity drive picks up steam
September 17, 2009 17:58 IST

Sheela Bhatt reveals how ministers are not the only big spenders in government.

The government's austerity drive worries not only ministers and members of Parliament, but even bureaucrats and the intelligence community who are used to luxuries -- at public cost.

Babus, police officers and the security clan spend public funds as lavishly as ministers do.

The Atal Bihari Vajpayee [ Images ] government entitled members of the National Security Advisory Board to stay at five-star hotels. The Board -- which consists of eminent Indians with expertise in security matters -- advises the National Security Council.

NSAB members, who lived outside New Delhi, stayed at the upscale Taj Mansingh hotel when they visited the capital for Board meetings. This practice continues under the United Progressive Alliance [ Images ] government as well.

NSAB members now stay at the Maurya Sheraton, the same plush hotel from where External Affairs Minister S M Krishna [ Images ] was ejected under Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee's [ Images ] orders.

Importantly, many NSAB members have complained that neither the concerned departments in the government nor anyone in the Prime Minister's Office ever reads what the NSAB recommends.

National Security Advisor M K Narayanan, they allege, hardly meets NSAB members who assemble at a substantial cost to the exchequer.

Public funds are misused more when the department or government officers are not in the public eye or don't deal with the public.

Chiefs of India's external intelligence agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, never travel by commercial flights, but use Aviation Research Centre executive jets. The Centre is part of R&AW. The agency's chiefs are often accompanied by their wives even though under security rules wives cannot travel on ARC planes. The log book of the planes shows these trips as training flights.

One R&AW chief in the 1990s took an ARC aircraft to Hyderabad to visit a relative, to Tamil Nadu to attend a wedding, and to Benares to perform his father's shradh (ceremonies after death).

Another chief travelled by an ARC plane to Colombo with his wife along with another senior colleague and his wife. Prime Minister Vajpayee had asked the R&AW chief to meet then Sri Lankan prime minister Ranil Wickremasinghe. The R&AW chief could have taken a commercial flight as previous chiefs had done, but he took an ARC plane so that the wives could go along.

This is the only instance when a R&AW chief has taken an ARC plane overseas, which is not allowed under security rules.

One former Cabinet secretary, who often speaks against corruption on television, once took an ARC plane to Chennai en route to Tirupati.

All officers of the rank of joint secretary and above in the government are entitled to travel executive class -- inside the country as well as outside. R&AW chiefs permit Cabinet secretaries and others, including politicians, to travel by ARC aircraft to influence them.

One former R&AW chief, who wanted to cultivate a defence minister so that he could be appointed governor after retirement, took the latter's lady confidante by an ARC plane, which was again against the rules.
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Rebels accuse Indian intelligence
All the rebels have signed statements giving graphic details about working for Indian military intelligence for nearly 10 years, after which were asked to come to Landfall islands in the Andamans and then framed on false charges of gun-running, while six of their leaders were killed in cold blood by the Indian army
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300-odd terrorists waiting to sneak into J&K
Thu, Sep 17 02:00 PM

New Delhi, Sep 17 (PTI) Around 300 terrorists are waiting across the Line of Control in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) for an opportunity to infiltrate into India, prompting the Army to strengthen its anti-insurgency security grid. The terrorists have been spotted moving in batches from place to place along the LoC, apparently in search of vulnerable spots from where they could infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir, Defence Ministry sources said here today.

The attempt was to push in as many terrorists as possible before the onset of winter when snowfall will make the mountainous terrains impregnable, the sources said. "The next two months are crucial," they said, expecting a jump in the infiltration attempts.

In the recent times, there have been a number of attempts at infiltration, many times accompanied by firing from across the LoC to provide cover to such bids. Security forces have killed at least 25 terrorists while foiling these infiltration attempts last month and these encounters took place at points along the LoC. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, in an address to a conference of state police chiefs on Tuesday, had termed as worrisome secessionists and militant groups in Kashmir making common cause with "outside elements" and noted that infiltration across the LoC was going up.
BSF foils infiltration bid in Jammu; 2 jawans injured
Fri, Sep 18 12:33 AM

Jammu, Sept 17 (PTI) Two BSF jawans were injured tonight in firing from Pakistani side as the border guards foiled an infiltration bid by militants along the international border in Jammu and Kashmir''s Khour belt, 27 km from here. BSF troops came under fire from across the border in Nikwol border outpost along Khour belt in the district at around 2030 hrs tonight, Inspector General of BSF''s Jammu frontier A K Sarolia told PTI. The infiltration bid was foiled by the BSF troops as a group of 4-5 militants wanted to sneak into India, he said.

The firing from across the border continued intermittently till late in the night, he said. BSF troops retaliated using small arms fire, triggering an exchange of fire, Sarolia, who was monitoring the situation at the forward post, said.

Security has been beefed up along the border in Jammu, Kathua and Samba districts to find the designs of militants. Intelligence reports said 60-70 militants are ready to be pushed into Jammu and Kashmir along international border.

He said the search operation in the area was on and troops have been put on alert along the border line.
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arunsrinivasan wrote:We have our Hon. PM I K Gujral to thank for that. :evil:
Arun,

Could you please explain if Gujral made some policies saying they are minorities etc...or any foolish decision for which we are paying the price ?
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Mahesh_R wrote:
arunsrinivasan wrote:We have our Hon. PM I K Gujral to thank for that. :evil:
Arun,

Could you please explain if Gujral made some policies saying they are minorities etc...or any foolish decision for which we are paying the price ?
Am not privy to the details, but Gujral, as a confidence building measure with TSP, asked RAW to shut downs its covert ops groups targeting TSP. These capabilities built over many decades were lost in an instant, as you can imagine, it is not easy to recreate those. See below.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/17707/ Not sure how accurate this is ... through.
In 1997, Prime Minister I.K. Gujral shut down both the CITs aimed at Pakistan on moral grounds. Before Gujral, Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao had ended RAW's eastern operations in the early 1990s, as part of his efforts to build bridges with China and Myanmar, say analysts.
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Not sure if this is the correct thread but still posting as I feel that this is important.

Govt launches border development programme in 17 states
The guidelines of the BADP have been revised in February in consultation with the state governments. As per the revised guidelines, the state governments concerned will arrange the utilisation of the BADP funds only in those villages of the border blocks which are located "within 0-10 km" of the international border.

The villages located nearer to international border will get first priority. After saturating these villages with basic infrastructure, the next set of villages located within 0-15 km and 0-20 km would be taken up.

If the first village in a block is located at a faraway location from the international border, the first village or hamlet in the block may be taken as "0" km distance village for drawing the priority list.
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India's RAW trained Pak Taliban militants?

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/ ... itants.htm


I wish this is true.....Really I am so happy.... 8) :D
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sunny y wrote:India's RAW trained Pak Taliban militants?

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/ ... itants.htm


I wish this is true.....Really I am so happy.... 8) :D
This is like so yesterday's news.
Pakistanis have been crying since eternity that all the trouble in their country has been cerated by the Hindus and the Jews.
Otherwise how can a muslim kill another muslim.
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NTRO recruitment
an ad has come out in the current issue of employment news looking for candidates to fill scientist 'B' posts in an unnamed "premier GOI science and tech organisation" with "opportunities for rapid career progression". first class engn graduates, math masters and geo-informatics masters can apply.

p.s. NTRO is mentioned in the body of the ad.
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Hi rahul....I have also seen this advertisements couple of times in employment news.....

I had the same feling that it was NTRO...otherwise what's the point of saying "premier GOI science and tech organisation". Why not mention the name directly??

But now as you are saying that NTRO is mentioned in the body of the ad.....so it's confirmed now.... 8)
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Rahul M wrote:NTRO recruitment
an ad has come out in the current issue of employment news looking for candidates to fill scientist 'B' posts in an unnamed "premier GOI science and tech organisation" with "opportunities for rapid career progression". first class engn graduates, math masters and geo-informatics masters can apply.

p.s. NTRO is mentioned in the body of the ad.
And the form also have a column asking for the caste category of candidates... :roll:
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what did you expect ? there is after all a GOI rule about reservations and all that.
it's certainly not outside the purview of GOI rules and regulations.
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Rahul M wrote:what did you expect ? there is after all a GOI rule about reservations and all that.
it's certainly not outside the purview of GOI rules and regulations.
yes,must have posted it in the whines thread.
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well, don't whine. there are ways to do both, maintain a standard of intake AND adhere to the reservation laws.
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sunny y wrote:I have also seen this advertisements couple of times in employment news.....
So an add which said IB is recruiting people. The area of expertise/education asked for is in telecommunication areas.
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Must be for the 77 new posts sanctioned for the Technical wing of the IB...
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The key here is security and backdoor access to network routers that is provided to intelligence agencies of respectibe nations.

This could have been a repeat of Sankya Vahini (Read B.Ramans article in SAAG) albeit 100,000 times worse.

It is quite likely that input from some BR members helped modify the RFQ, with the highlighted terms below ;)
manish wrote:Hmm...ITI gets yet another chance.
BSNL to award $2-bn equipment deal to ITI
NEW DELHI: The domestic market in India is set to see a significant game changer with one of the largest IT and telecom hardware contracts,

21 Sep 2009, 0330 hrs IST, Joji Thomas Philip & Shelley Singh, ET Bureau

NEW DELHI: The domestic market in India is set to see a significant game changer with one of the largest IT and telecom hardware contracts,
worth around $2 billion (Rs 10,000 crore), to be up for grabs soon. The mega project involves creating a nationwide 43,000-km long alternate communications network for the armed forces, who in turn will vacate a bulk of the radio frequencies or spectrum they currently occupy for commercial telephony. Spectrum is the lifeline for mobile telephony as all communication signals travel on these airwaves.

The Request for Proposal (RFP) of the project, which has been in discussion for over two years, is set to be issued by the month-end on BSNL’s website as the telco will execute the contract.

At present, the detailed project report is being prepared by the representatives of the Army & Navy in collaboration with BSNL. The contracts will be awarded within 60 days after the project report has been cleared by the Telecom Commission and the union cabinet, says a Department of Telecom (DoT) note on the issue. In the first of its kind in India, all successful bidders will have to transfer technology, manufacture all key components in collaboration with domestic firms and also part with their IPR due to the security implications of the project.

Given the scale of the project, it is unlikely to go to a single vendor and multiple vendors could comprise a combination of private and public entities. According to sources, for project companies such as TCS, Infosys, Wipro, HCL, Tech Mahindra and state-owned outfits like C-DAC, ECIL and BEL, along with telecom equipment majors such as Motorola, Ericsson, Alcatel Lucent and Nokia Siemens Networks, are likely to be among the bidders.

An added incentive for successful bidders is that following the completion of this project, the Centre will then hand out an additional Rs 5,000-crore project to manage and maintain this network for the next 10 years.

Successful equipment vendors will have to manufacture all core components in India, failing which they have to enter into collaborations with state-owned companies such as Indian Telephone Industries (ITI) and BEL to fulfil this obligation, a government official associated with this project told ET. IT majors too will have to share IPR rights for their services with BSNL and other state-owned entities such as C-DAC.

In May 2009, the communications and the defence ministry had signed an MoU, under which the armed forces will release up to 45 MHz of radio frequencies over a three-year period, of which 25 MHz would be for the 3G services and the rest for 2G, the airwaves on which all communications services in the country are currently offered. As per this agreement, the defence forces must also release two blocks (10 MHz) of 3G airwaves and one block of 2G frequencies immediately while the remaining would be released in phases over a three-year time frame, based on the progress or completion of this alternate communications networks. The cost of the alternate network for the Air Force is Rs 1,077 crore while it will be Rs 8,893 crore for the Navy and Army combined.

When asked about it, Tanmoy Chakrabarty, V-P & head of global government industry group, said: “The defence project has been in discussion for some time. We will respond as and when the RFP is out.” TCS is currently pursuing about two dozen government projects including those from defence, power sector and railways.

Infosys did not reply, citing silent period requirements prior to the results. Though in a recent interview, head of Infosys India business unit Binod HR told ET: “In the domestic market, we are already bidding for a few defence projects and will pursue any relevant opportunity that comes by. Given that the private sector has reduced intensity in the domestic market, the government projects are definitely very attractive.”

DoT sources also said Chinese equipment majors such as Huawei and ZTE will not be allowed to participate in this project due to security concerns. Besides, other bidders also cannot source equipment manufactured in China. Even equipment imported from the West will have to pass stringent security tests in a government-controlled test bed for every product before the same can be installed in the alternate communication network project.
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Well done to all BR members involved.

IB/NTRO had highlighted the issue in Feb about BSNL bids for telecoms eqpt in border states, and I am glad that National Security got its weight instead of Price.
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I hope they also do the same for weather radar aquisition by indian meteorological department. Some time back I read a news paper article saying that a chinese company won the bid, ignoring ISRO's weather radar technology.
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Is threat only from PRC companies?
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Nope Siemens/Nokia as well who also bidding for BSNL contracts. Perhaps BR members can highlight this to their sources.

The thing is Iranians/Omani's who use the siemens/nokia systems know that there was a back door entry to listen into comms intercepts. Apparently BND was listening to comms intercepts for years in Egypt, Russia & Oman who also use the same system. However, one advantage with using siemens is that they have developed a comprehensive surveillance system for computer linked eavesdropping across telephone calls, email, internet activity, bank transactions and insurance records. However, they have left the backdoor to view such info.

Siemens were receiving a severe telling off, because their eqpt was being used to stop internet support for Moussavi. BND were using Siemens to conduct ops in Iran.

As per IOL:
For six months all of the world’s major telecommunications equipment firms had been fighting for a huge contract from India’s state-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL). Last month, Huawei Technologies beat out its rival Nokia Siemens Network for a USD 1.7 billion deal to install 93 million GSM telephone lines in southern India.

But as soon as Huawei’s victory was announced, India’s Intelligence Bureau stepped in to forbid BSNL to work with Huawei in regions close to the border with Pakistan. As a result, BSNL suspended the contract with Huawei until such time as a compromise can be reached.

Founded in 1988 by a former People’s Liberation Army officer, Ren Zhengfei, Huawei is regularly suspected of enjoying close ties with Chinese security and intelligence agencies.

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Early this year, however, the security branch of the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), produced a report indicating that the Huawei contract amounted to a threat to Britain’s computer security.

What bothers Western intelligence particularly is the background of the group’s founder. Ren long headed the Chinese general staff’s Information Engineering Academy, which supervises military research in the telecoms field.
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If that is the case, the background of Oracle founders also should bother people.
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ramana wrote:Is threat only from PRC companies?
Huawei recruited lot of cisco employees and also close connection with PLA.
No country allows equipment from another country to flood and control major nodes of communication.


Once I had a talk with an employee of Stratacomm. He was in TSP to install fiberoptics lines in Pakistan border with India. He said the Paki Gen were very brutal and ordered the lines very near the border with bullets flying in the air. THis was 1996-1997.
There is a lot of links between communication equip, MI, State authorities and intelligence.
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