China Military Watch

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 15 Sep 2009 18:49

An exclusive report shows how the Chinese are training ULFA terrorists in a number of camps, as a part of its plan to sever the northeast from the Indian mainland.

Ankit

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 15 Sep 2009 19:58

now MEA will deny these new reports as well that China training ULFA.

Anyways,TOI is really doing a wonderful job as far as i am concerned.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 15 Sep 2009 20:48

^
^Sweet talk and a sharp knife to the back; just like old times.

India, China bhai bhai, says Chinese Consul General
15 Sep 2009, 1658 hrs IST, PTI

MUMBAI: This is one refrain which may sound a bit jarring in the backdrop of reports of incursions by China into Indian territory: the newly-appointed Consul General of China in Mumbai Wang Donghua today said, "India and China are not just neighbours, but are brothers too".

"We are not just neighbours, but brothers too. Both the countries are emerging superpowers and therefore, peace and development in the region will benefit them and the world," he said during a meeting with Maharashtra Governor S C Jamir at Raj Bhawan in south Mumbai.
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More Here

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 15 Sep 2009 20:54

Avinash R wrote: India, China bhai bhai, says Chinese Consul General

1962 is replicating itself....

~Nitin

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 15 Sep 2009 21:23

Avinash R wrote: India, China bhai bhai, says Chinese Consul General

Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names

koti · Post by **koti** » 15 Sep 2009 22:31

I have a doubt that US of A is directing our media in order to increase the animosity between India and China. This will serve a better feeding ground for them.

Given the current situation, I don't see why there should be a sudden perspective change for China towards India. The border is as ever, and there are no provoking statements from Indian leadership as well.

A strained Indo-China relation will benefit US on all grounds....
1) Increased dependency of India on US.
2) Better encirclement of the Dragon for them.
3) Substantial increase of weapons procurement by India.
4) Lesser complaints about Pakistan.
5) Increases the distance between Moscow and New Delhi.
6) Complete control of IOR for USN.

Suggest more appropriate thread if applicable.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 15 Sep 2009 23:03

Mods, this thread needs a cleanup.

I am wondering whether the happenings in Bangladesh (BDR killings) tie up with the new found aggression of the chicoms.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 15 Sep 2009 23:09

I have a doubt that US of A is directing our media in order to increase the animosity between India and China. This will serve a better feeding ground for them.

My thoughts exactly. Most of this noise is coming from the two paragons of unbiased journalism -- NDTV and Times of India. Both are notorious American mouthpieces in India with unclear sources of foriegn investments into them.

pmund · Post by **pmund** » 16 Sep 2009 00:06

I beg to differ. There seems to be little doubt on the authenticity of the news on the Kerang shooting. It has been corroborated by multiple sources and even local people, like shepherds in the North Sikkim area. There WAS an exchange of fire with Chinese border troops late last month and two of our ITBP men took hits. Another clue to the veracity of this incident is that all efforts to track down these two casualties were stonewalled. No one knows where they were choppered and then flown to.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 16 Sep 2009 01:48

AmitR wrote: That is one thing that India can avoid not just cause it upsets the Chinese but because AP was in not so long ago part of the Tibet. This does not bode well for India too.

Whats the source for highlighted text? This is dangerous statement in that in helps the PRC propagandu machine!

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 16 Sep 2009 03:30

Some Chinese perspective :

People's Daily

Indian media stinks up public opinions

By Li Hongmei People's Daily Online

The dispute over boundary issues between China and India is expected to be settled, or to take a substantial step forward approaching the final solution, only on the condition that both of them are ready to shake off the traditional conceptions and deep-seated misunderstandings. Meanwhile, both reach out to each other in a joint effort to cultivate a good-will atmosphere for public opinions.

But it seems that things are going just to the opposite. Even when it is still a moot point whether there will be another border war between the two Asian rivals, the war of words has long set in and to this date shows no signs of ceasing. Hyped up by Indian media on border disputes with the cliché 'China Threat Theory', public opinions within India were quickly churned up into a roaring sea against China and the Chinese people.

On the other hand, the Chinese side, while retorting sarcastically in its state run media, has been actually exercising restraint in an effort to salvage the situation from further trending down. However, the bitter exchanges have so far spilled into the open following a handful of irresponsible India media institutions fabricated stories to incite anti-China sentiments among the Indian public by quoting some unbeknownst sources or unidentifiable interviewees.

One famous example, besides the old favorite 'Chinese incursions' tale, was that some Indian media organs on purpose cooked up a Chinese blog article published on a pivotal website as early as 2006, and even linked it to some Chinese think tank simply because the blogger was named 'strategy' online. And they thereby assumed the blogger must have been a member of China's Center for Strategy Studies. They cudgeled their brain to convince both the Indian officialdom and public that China, according to 'the top Chinese think tank', intended to split India by encouraging communal divisions in India in order to break it up into 20-30 small states. A fanciful story invented by Indian media based on 'China Threat.'

Another oft-used strategy, if it is so popular a word for Indian media, I would like to borrow it here, is loudly and desperately bragging about the Indian strength, particularly how mighty India is as a military power, in an attempt to intimidate China. The example to be cited here is the recent threat from India, leaked also by some of its media, that India would possibly blast China's major railway into the Tibetan Plateau, a project built in 2006, and dubbed as the 'gateway to the top of the world' by both Chinese and foreign tourists, but absurdly regarded by Indian officials and defense analysts as designed for the rapid deployment of troops to attack India.

Admittedly, these baseless assumptions will eventually declare their own bankruptcy when confronted with facts, but the negative effects brought about by the media on the already volatile bilateral ties would probably linger on. But one thing is certain—although China-India rivalry could extend well into the future, they will never pose a mortal foe to each other. They would maintain discontents over wide arrays of issues, but they are not flooded in the orgies of inveterate hatred. Why the Indian media is so fanatic as to stoke up a life-and-death fight between the two neighbors is really beyond understanding.

At present, India is still a lesser power than China in terms of economy and, military, both conventionally and unconventionally. But it is evident that the U.S. has been tipping the balance between China and India, seeking to woo India away from Russia and China and, in the mean time, feeding India's ambition to match China force for force by its ever burgeoning arms sales to India.

Emboldened by the U.S., and fueled by the media over the flare-up of nationalism in India and chauvinism among the Hinduism public, Indian government is somewhat eclipsed by the media-manipulated public opinions, and gets disoriented when making decisions.

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And also;

People's Daily: FM asks India's media to promote mutual understanding
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China has always strictly abided by the consensus, she said, when asked to comment on Indian newspapers' reports of alleged military incidents on the border with China.

"It's hard to understand some Indian media's purpose when they publish reports that are not accurate," She said.

At the latest boundary talks in August, China and India agreed the two countries push forward the talks process and seek a just and fair formula to solve problems acceptable to both sides.

Both these article seem to suggest that Beijing is of the opinion that the present situation between India and PRC is due to an irresponsible Indian media that is unjustly vilifying China and influencing the Indian government in its dealing with the PRC.

However, Al Jazeera has also taken notice of the recent rancor at the border : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjACK71QQ-w

PS: Apologies if any of these news articles and/or links are redundant. Mods please edit as necessary.

prao · Post by **prao** » 16 Sep 2009 05:25

Here's a good one. The Chinese are up to their usual games of (trying to) lulling the Indian side to complacency. This time their tactic is simply to get GOI to stop HH The Dalai Lama's trip to Arunachal Pradesh and muzzle the new found voice of the Indian media. The idea being to get the MEA to think: "Hey, if they're willing to settle the border issue, maybe we should avoid antagonizing them by letting HH visit AP and stopping all the news items about the situation on the border. Let's cancel the visit to keep the Chinese happy and then maybe we can settle quickly". The Chinese are of course in complete knowledge of the MEA types to indulge in wishful thinking/not learning from past mistakes. May be this time it'll be different and India won't fall for the usual Chinese tricks? We can hope! There's always hope!

The full TOI article

It is good time to settle border row: China
Saibal Dasgupta , TNN 15 September 2009, 06:52pm IST

BEIJING: The situation in the India-China border is not merely peaceful and stable, it is also favorable for the purpose of resolving the border dispute once for all time, the Chinese foreign ministry told TNN on Tuesday.

China also described reports of cross-border firing and other skirmishes as “inaccurate information”.

“The China-India relationship is currently enjoying stable developments, and the mutual trust between two sides is keeping growing. Therefore, we are facing a favorable situation in solving the border issue,” the foreign ministry said in reply to questions sent by TNN.

The two sides should continue to work for creating a “good atmosphere for the solution of (the) issue through negotiations, and avoid taking actions to make the situation become complicated,” the ministry said.

But it avoided a direct reply to a one of TNN’s questions: What is China doing to reassure India that it has no military ambitions on Arunachal Pradesh and other places along the border?

Sources in the Indian foreign ministry said Beijing was anxious about the uproar in the Indian media as it will make it all the more difficult for the two sides to enter into an amicable settlement (not a good sign: more wishful thinking by the MEA - they think the Chinese want an amicable settlement). They do not think the central government in Beijing would have sent instructions to armed forces to create trouble on the border. (another bad sign: more wishful thinking on MEA's part - will they never learn)

The Chinese foreign ministry’s view is that the problem has to do with improper reporting by the Indian media and not on the ground situation on the border. ....rest deleted

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 16 Sep 2009 05:49

China tension: NSA summons meeting

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 16 Sep 2009 22:44

So it all starts, I doubt China is going to give India two decades as some folks seem to suggest.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-09-16-voa12.cfm

Indian government officials have sought to deny or play down recent reported incidents. Some analysts here accuse their own Foreign Ministry of being apologists for repeated Chinese incursions and say the Indian side of the border needs to be better protected.

After a report emerged in mainstream media here that two officers of the India-Tibet Border Police had recently been shot by their Chinese counterparts at the border in northern Sikkim, India's External Affairs Ministry reacted, calling the story "factually incorrect." It did not elaborate.

Minister of State for External Affairs, Sashi Tharoor, says there is no reason for alarm amid the surge of reports of incursions in several Indian states.

"We do not agree on the correct line. So occasionally, such incidents do occur. I have to say they have been occurring for many years, even occurring with great frequency. They do not always get reported by the media. But nor should they be seen as part of a new atmosphere of hostility or problems, because there are not such problems," said Tharoor.

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 16 Sep 2009 22:50

koti wrote:I have a doubt that US of A is directing our media in order to increase the animosity between India and China. This will serve a better feeding ground for them. Given the current situation, I don't see why there should be a sudden perspective change for China towards India. The border is as ever, and there are no provoking statements from Indian leadership as well.

Instead of blaming everyone else look at the facts. The fact is threat is coming from China not from USA. USA is in no mood to send its army to fight Indian army. You cannot say the same for China. For once we need to deal with threat directly instead of hiding behind conspiracy theories.

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 16 Sep 2009 22:53

Brando wrote:Both these article seem to suggest that Beijing is of the opinion that the present situation between India and PRC is due to an irresponsible Indian media that is unjustly vilifying China and influencing the Indian government in its dealing with the PRC.

China is trying to force settlement using military methods and crying wolf when it is called out for doing the same. The usual Chinese game of blame the victim.

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 16 Sep 2009 23:11

abhiti wrote:
Brando wrote:Both these article seem to suggest that Beijing is of the opinion that the present situation between India and PRC is due to an irresponsible Indian media that is unjustly vilifying China and influencing the Indian government in its dealing with the PRC.
China is trying to force settlement using military methods and crying wolf when it is called out for doing the same. The usual Chinese game of blame the victim.

I am really not sure how much we should believe these media. Sometime I fell that they are trying to create something out of nothing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8258715.stm

'China bashing' in the Indian media

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 Sep 2009 23:14

koti wrote:I have a doubt that US of A is directing our media in order to increase the animosity between India and China. This will serve a better feeding ground for them. Given the current situation, I don't see why there should be a sudden perspective change for China towards India. The border is as ever, and there are no provoking statements from Indian leadership as well.

You may be true. The media focus is unnatural and media does not give much info inside Tibet and what is happening inside China and its leaders.

That does not mean that PLA has not reinforced the LAC and made actions to provoke IA to take steps

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 16 Sep 2009 23:30

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news ... 019445.cms

Indian army on 'Operation Alert' along China border IANS 16 September

"About 50% troops on the Line of Actual Control have been mobilised to forward posts. The mobilisation would last for nearly a month," a senior Indian army official said.

..... hummmm ..... it seems that something going on .....

Sumair · Post by **Sumair** » 17 Sep 2009 00:18

At last India is waking up to this monster on the border. China is going to become increasingly belligerent in coming few decades as the younger generation of Chinese ascend to the power positions. Since the cultural revolution the Chinese authorities through their education system, have very successfully replaced religion with extreme nationalism. This coupled with China's one child policy have produced a male heavy generation which is non accommodating and very aggressive and are willing and ready to take on the world for Mother China, to make One China dream into reality.
Another important question that begs to be asked is whether the Chinese success phenomena, is because or despite communism? If the later, what happens when people who are becoming more aware in this internet age demand more rights? What of the economy which is primarily export driven come to a screeching halt (glimpses of which have been very evident in the past two years)?
A transition in China is bound to happen. And again remnant of that question whether it will be gradual and peaceful or sudden and violent? If later then attack on India and or Taiwan is imminent, as diversionary tactics.
Some fodder for NSA to be pondering about when they get together for the chai-biscut session!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Sep 2009 00:47

raghava wrote:but the recent visit for closed door meeting by the Obama aides to the Dalai Lama's office in Dharamshala - was it just a "routine" visit in preparation for the Dalai Lama's visit to the US- as put out in the media

Wouldn't we have moles in there?

sumeet_s · Post by **sumeet_s** » 17 Sep 2009 03:06

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_si ... ms_1290580
Singapore backs Tawang claims..

Singapore's foreign minister George Yeo has backed China's claim to the Tawang monastery in Arunachal Pradesh. The ancient monastery is one of the holiest shrines of Tibetan Buddhists as the sixth Dalai Lama was born there.

George Yeo, the minister, refers to Tawang as a "Tibetan area controlled by India and claimed by China", in a recent piece he wrote for the Yale Centre for the Study of Globalisation.

Such a statement from Singapore's foreign minister...ridiculous this is..

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 17 Sep 2009 04:31

Isn't it the right time for Indian NG-think tanks to lay claim on Kailash-Manas Sarovar
because of historic connections to the indic civilization that goes back to several thousand years? Instead of just media reports, it is about time to start making such a noise along that line.

koti · Post by **koti** » 17 Sep 2009 07:55

abhiti wrote:Instead of blaming everyone else look at the facts. The fact is threat is coming from China not from USA. USA is in no mood to send its army to fight Indian army. You cannot say the same for China. For once we need to deal with threat directly instead of hiding behind conspiracy theories.

Exactly, Chinese threat is clear and persistent. But, our effort should be to see the Indian national interests are secure. We should not become scapegoats for the benefits of another country.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 17 Sep 2009 08:38

Now is the right time to counter chinkis. We need not start a war but if they do make sure they know china will not be able to catch up with US in next 500 years. Its their dream that India can squash. Once they know India will nuke beijing and 30 other top chinki cities they will come down to mother earth.
The first step will be to test the thermonukes again and start production of 100kt nukes.

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 17 Sep 2009 09:26

We might see a chinese attack in the near future. China knows that India is technologically modernising its armed forces at a rapid pace and 7-10 years down the line the Indian Armed forces will be far superior to the chinese at least technologically thanks to access to European and US weapons that the Indian forces have access to. The Chinese know that they have the edge now. I wish the Indian officialdom would get of their backsides and buy some artillery that is needed urgently.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 17 Sep 2009 10:08

We have had access to top of the line Russian, American and European technology for the past 10 years after sanctions were waivered. Where is the Kaveri, LCA, Arjun?....they are still being tested. For the moment lets just forget about being superior to the chinese in 7-10 years it's just not gonna happen.

What we can do and what we are good at is assimilating different kind of technologies from all over the world and taking the best to build something which can be a world beater....case in point the MKI, Brahmos etc. After having a 51% stake in Brahmos can someone tell me why it is limited to a range of 290kms. Whatever we learnt from Brahmos, why can't we apply that to produce something indigenous and similar to the Brahmos having a range of 1000kms and deploy thousands of those across the chinese border. No chinese will then have the cojones to threaten us openly and teach us a lesson.

MMRCA is being talked about for god knows how many years....what is there to decide get the best with the best terms.....doesn't matter if its from the US or Sweden or Russia. If there is full ToT get the darn assembly of F-16 down to India and integrate with Israeli/French avionics and weapons. To my knowledge that's the best proven platform for the price we can afford and deploy in a reasonable amount of time....and it still beats any current or future chinese platform hands down.

Most importantly, the leader of the nation should have the guts and the assurance of the people to come out and make a strong statement openly, that national security is something that India will not make any compromises on and any force trying to make any mischief will be severely dealt with till the last man alive. I haven't heard any of our leaders talking about it. Last I heard the very eloquent Mr. Tharoor on NDTV was downplaying the threat by saying that we have an excellent economic relationship with China and China hasn't sent any terrorists into India....so we just cannot deal with China and Pakistan the same way.....well done MEA...well done GoI

Willy wrote:We might see a chinese attack in the near future. China knows that India is technologically modernising its armed forces at a rapid pace and 7-10 years down the line the Indian Armed forces will be far superior to the chinese at least technologically thanks to access to European and US weapons that the Indian forces have access to. The Chinese know that they have the edge now. I wish the Indian officialdom would get of their backsides and buy some artillery that is needed urgently.

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 17 Sep 2009 10:18

AoA: Stop Apologising For China
http://www.livefist.blogspot.com/

Very aggressive ..... but fine ...

VikB · Post by **VikB** » 17 Sep 2009 10:34

From a purely defensive point of view, Panda does not stand a chance if we get the right infrastructure up in the border areas. On our land, we can defend very well. Until the Panda wants a full blown war and set the whole jungle on fire, I think it might have already lost the initiative.

Time to squeeze the b*lls of the chimpy Panda. Agreeing for a visit of the Dalai Lama is the right thing.

Look at the poor animal - Japan is flexing its muscles in East, US is always the Big Boy around, Taiwan remains belligerent, unrest in Muslim areas, Dalai Lama becoming even more of World's darling, the economic scene not so happy as made out to be, new generation wants less of communism, Indochina never its friend. What does it have to count as friends - Iran, Pakistan, Myannmar, North Korea. All chindi-chors only.

It is China who is trying to break into the big club and it wants it to happen very fast but like many things - such changes take place in a long time. This irritation coupled with World's praise for Indian democracy, economy, intellectual capital and soft power is having terrible consequences on the poor chap. It is very lonely. At the world stage, China is very alone.

If we pass the next six months without any skirmish and are able to raise a decent level of infra at the border - the current Chini threat will fizzle out. Ofcourse it will come back later in some form but the current threat will get snuffed out.

Oh forgot - encirclement by Uncle is very potent. The God's-own-holy-land has sold itself to the Satan. Years of money and influence - washed down the gutter.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 17 Sep 2009 10:53

imho this is all showmanship on both sides. india/china are about to engage in very very serious border negotiations and are trying to harden their positions before that.

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 17 Sep 2009 11:12

SanjibGhosh wrote:AoA: Stop Apologising For China
http://www.livefist.blogspot.com/

Very aggressive ..... but fine ...

I completelely agree with Shiv Aroor ji.

What China and Chinese media has to realize is that Indian media is a separate from the Indian government. It is an independent entity just like free media else where in the world. It reports news that it is able to get. If the information that it is obtaining is that Chinese are intruding in Indian territory then, hell yes, they will report it!

The Indian media is the strategic advantage that we have over China, in the event of skirmishes or war or anything for that matter our media is going to overwhelm the Chinese media. Our media is making sure that every Indian is aware of exactly what is happening on our borders while the Chinese media is making sure it puts out what the CPC wants its people to believe.

This talk that it will be "suicide" if we go up against the Chinese is Panda's self-gratifying fantasy. In case of war we will be fighting on our territory. We have better Aircrafts then them and thats another one of our major strategic advantages. We have every aircraft that is in their arsernal and we have better ones too. So the Chinese are going to occupy Arunachal, eh? Not before they get blown to bits by our superior Air force first.

Go Indian media go!!!
Keep on reporting the truth.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 17 Sep 2009 12:08

SanjibGhosh wrote:AoA: Stop Apologising For China
http://www.livefist.blogspot.com/

Very aggressive ..... but fine ...

what did he possibly mean by "Indian Army's Korea Brigade"?

Thanks.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 17 Sep 2009 12:27

VikB wrote:From a purely defensive point of view, Panda does not stand a chance if we get the right infrastructure up in the border areas. On our land, we can defend very well. Until the Panda wants a full blown war and set the whole jungle on fire, I think it might have already lost the initiative.

The PLA has invested a LOT of money into making its forces more mobile and integrating more advanced logistic and supply resources into its midst. With the way the Indian border areas are right now, they will find out very quickly that their segways and quadbikes are utterly useless in the rugged mountains with animal trails and dense vegetation. The main threat of the PLA is their artillery and their armor. Both of which will prove quite useless if they want to cross into the Arunachal Pradesh region. The dense vegetation and rugged mountains would make it very suitable for guerrilla warfare. I imagine this is the Indian Army's worst case scenario fall back strategy. The Indian soldiers and officers are more experienced in combat and know their terrain well compared to the PLA's soldiers and officers who are largely inexperienced in any conflict where people shoot back and any conflict in those border areas would most likely be completely infantry intensive coupled with strong air support giving the Indian sides all the advantages even without extensive road networks and air bases.
I contend that the Indian Army should continue to maintain its current posture of undeveloped rugged terrain as a barrier because right now, the PLA moves faster than the IA, builds faster than the IA and has greater advantage in terms of artillery and armor. With a lot of roads and logistical groundwork available, any blitz by the PLA would have a greater chance of success as the advantages of the terrain would be negated once the PLA capture key roads.

VikB wrote: Oh forgot - encirclement by Uncle is very potent. The God's-own-holy-land has sold itself to the Satan. Years of money and influence - washed down the gutter.

Actually, if India offered a military base to the US-NATO in Arunachal Pradesh, the Chinese would be utterly beside themselves in terror but would be unable to do anything about it at the risk of attacking NATO-directly. It would be invaluable to the CIA and the DIA in keeping China off-balance for decades and not to mention foment trouble in Tibet, Burma etc. India has no reason not to do so as the Chinese have built themselves numerous allies like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma etc to keep India off-balance.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Sep 2009 12:31

Venkarl wrote:
SanjibGhosh wrote:AoA: Stop Apologising For China
http://www.livefist.blogspot.com/

Very aggressive ..... but fine ...
what did he possibly mean by "Indian Army's Korea Brigade"?

Thanks.

the one that operated in korea circra 1953 as part of UN forces.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Sep 2009 12:32

Actually, if India offered a military base to the US-NATO in Arunachal Pradesh,

look, this is not some pacific ocean banana republic that is going to offer bases to NATO in a sensitive location. stop daydreaming.

India has no reason not to do so as the Chinese have built themselves numerous allies like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma etc to keep India off-balance.

the reply to that would be cultivating military relations with countries like vietnam and other SE asian nations, NOT inviting NATO to set up bases in your own country !

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 17 Sep 2009 12:34

sumeet_s wrote:
George Yeo, the minister, refers to Tawang as a "Tibetan area controlled by India and claimed by China", in a recent piece he wrote for the Yale Centre for the Study of Globalisation.
Such a statement from Singapore's foreign minister...ridiculous this is..

Singapore is quite heavily populated by ethnic Han and the PRC has huge influence in that country. Even the Indian origin ministers in Singapore have Chinese wives to help them connect with the powerful Chinese community in Singapore.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 17 Sep 2009 12:37

Rahul M wrote:
Actually, if India offered a military base to the US-NATO in Arunachal Pradesh,
look, this is not some pacific ocean banana republic that is going to offer bases to NATO in a sensitive location. stop daydreaming.

So you take Japan, South Korea, Germany and pretty much every other developed democratic nation in the world to be "banana" republics ? Arrogant much ?

I never said it was going to do so, I just considering the possibility of it happening!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Sep 2009 12:40

oh yes, banana republics as far as their positions were concerned in the immediate post WW2 world when these bases were provided. militarily they are still in a similar status.

to pretend otherwise is naivete.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 17 Sep 2009 12:41

Brando wrote:

So you take Japan, South Korea, Germany and pretty much every other developed democratic nation in the world to be "banana" republics ? Arrogant much ?

Yes,

A country which has bases of other countries inside it is a banana republic. Dont forget, Germany, Japan are defeated countries of WWII and you are there as the master of those countries.

You can put honey coated words all around it, but the relation is master-slave, nothing more. The 1985 economic meeting was the way in which Japan is paying its tribute.

I never said it was going to do so, I just considering the possibility of it happening!

Dont forget, India started a parallel UN in the form of NAM, just to avoid this when there were two superpowers in the world and we were in a much much weaker position. We didnt do it at that time, and you expect it today

Yes, we will enter into such, when you will allow us bases in Hawaii, Alaska and Nevada. Lets make it a tango.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Sep 2009 12:47

Notwithstanding, a very interesting idea!

As it is, we are dictated in every quarter by the US. Chidambaram had to go to the US to plead India's case. GW Bush is loved by India!

Baluchistan is added since we have nothing to hide.