The Red Menace

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 24 Sep 2009 19:27

Rediff is an American mouthpiece. This article shows the concern of the Goras. The state has to come down ruthlessly on the Maoists, but also has to be equally firm with the over-ground supporters -- journalists, bards, singers, writers, theater activists, film makers, poets, "civil liberty" types, etc. These supporters are currently handled with kids gloves, but that is not correct. Some of them should smell insides of a jail cell. The Indian state is not ruthless enough with those who are trying to overthrow it, which is its weakness.

With this article, the Goras have fired the first salvo. Don't be surprised if American funded INdian NGOs start a campaign in his favour and some Anglo-American Noble prize winners sign a statement in his favour and a deranged, loud-mouth supreme court judge suddenly releases him "without listening to the opposition."

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 24 Sep 2009 19:31

I have always had this question: Why has Gaddar (Varavara Rao) not been arrested and thrown in the cell for sedition? Is it the same reason why SAS Geelani gets away?

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 24 Sep 2009 19:36

Centre for new war on Maoists
Siddharth Varadarajan

On board PM’s special aircraft: Riding high on the recent arrest of senior Maoist leader Kopad Ghandy, the Manmohan Singh government is considering a major escalation of its war against Maoist insurgents across the country.

In an interaction with reporters accompanying the Prime Minister to the G20 summit in Pittsburgh, official sources said the Home Ministry’s proposal for the use of special forces, including air power (initially for transportation alone), was being considered by the appropriate committees and no decision had been taken as yet.

The sources criticised what they said was the media’s unwillingness to focus on the violence perpetrated by the Maoists. “Despite the fact that naxalites have been carrying out the worst atrocities, there is very little public outcry. When Kopad Ghandy is arrested, we see intellectuals are protecting him. But when tribals are killed by the Maoists, the intellectuals and NGOs [are silent.]” (Does the PM have no understanding of the sponsors of these NGOs and intellectuals that he seems surprised and hurt?)

The sources defended the Chhattisgarh government’s controversial Salwa Judum strategy of arming tribals to attack Maoist insurgents and their suspected sympathisers, a strategy that has led to the displacement of thousands of tribals and been questioned by the Supreme Court. (Notice how the reporter has inserted NGO propaganda) “I think the Salwa Judum was a genuine people’s movement and the naxalites were frightened by it. But thanks to NGOs and other extraneous elements, it was undermined and completely destroyed.” (This shows the need to stop funding of NGOs by Western countries -- this anti-Salwa Judum campaign was run by the Goras -- the real force behind Indian Maoists -- through their Indian NGOs to scuttle this movement which was called by Naxal leadership as the "most serious threat" to their existence. Shame on Indian govt. for not regulating these NGOs and allowing them to become an extension of White Christians in India.)

http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/24/stories ... 670100.htm

Meanwhile:

Micro air vehicles to fight Naxals soon
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/New ... 007528.cms

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 24 Sep 2009 19:59

Stalinist yellow media always inserts their propaganda lies in between news and make it appear like it is also part of news..

Interesting to see the media puppets of Stalinist rapist goons, mass murderers and traitors as well as assorted fake intellectuals and fake human rights activists jumping from heavens to earth about Salwa Judum...wonder what they have to say about CPM using its own army of well armed goons to kill Maoists and get killed by them..perhaps that is kosher...

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 24 Sep 2009 20:14

The Hindu

The sources defended the Chhattisgarh government’s controversial Salwa Judum strategy of arming tribals to attack Maoist insurgents and their suspected sympathizers. “I think the Salwa Judum was a genuine people’s movement and the naxalites were frightened by it. But thanks to NGOs and other extraneous elements, it was undermined and completely destroyed.”

So these fake NGO want to continue drinking the blood of tribals and have their weekly roasted human BBQ.

From HT

After a whole morning wrestling with Lenin’s ‘Imperialism’ at some open-air camp outside Mumbai, Kobad would start making lunch, insisting that we learn to wring the necks of chickens, else how would we stand the sight of blood when revolution actually came.

Truly a person with a sick and depraved mind. The courts should order a mentally checkup on this person. His violent ideology of roasting people alive and eating them stems from his depraved mentality.

After the Emergency, Kobad, Anuradha, Asghar Ali Engineer and Krishnaraj, editor of Economic and Political Weekly, formed the first democratic rights group in Mumbai, in the run-down Bombay Union of Journalists Hall. It later became the Committee for the Protection of Democratic Rights. Such was the leadership provided by the couple that when they left for Nagpur in the early 80s, CPDR could hold its own among the country’s human rights groups.

Note the names of over ground maoist sympathisers and how an branch organisation of a totalitarian terror group calls itself "democratic".

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Sep 2009 20:37

There are "intellectuals" in India who support Maoists, and in turn are supported by the external forces behind the Maoists. Of this there is no question.

But what of us... we who are equally educated, equally the intelligensia, who sit before keyboards and vent our frustration day after day after day? Are we not "intellectuals" as well? Or are we going to let the commies claim that label and allow left-wing thuggery to become equated with an "enlightened" worldview?

Is there not something WE can do, to fight Maoism? It's happening in our own country after all. It's not like Paki terrorism, funded and organized in external territory that is beyond the ability of 99.99% of Indians to influence.

If the Punwanis, Bidwais, Gonzalves's, and Binayak Sens of the world can organize themselves in support of swine like Khobad Gandy and Arun Ferreira... men waging open war against the state of India with extreme prejudice... why can we not organize ourselves in opposition to the Maoists?

This can be done at many, many levels... from people blogging and writing letters to the editor, all the way to founding, financing and managing our own NGOs aimed at alleviating rural hardships which might otherwise be exploited by Maoist recruiters and propaganda organs.

To begin with, how about a charitable fund that provides benefits specifically for the families of Indian security force jawans killed or injured while fighting the Maoists? Such an organization is beyond reproach... its only purpose is to relieve the burden left to the loved ones of those who made the supreme sacrifice for India's internal security. However, it will raise awareness, and nucleate publicity. Why let the "intellectuals" on the Red side, with their shrill apologism for these terrorists, dominate the public perception of what Maoist groups are really up to?

Another idea might be a legal aid organization specifically set up to assist the victims of Maoist terrorism. Why should terror-sympathizers like Binayak Sen walk free when he provided aid and comfort to the murderers of poor tribals? Why should a terrorist like Khobad Ghandy, responsible for countless atrocities, be spared interrogation by state authorities when the information in his possession may save the lives of innocent Indian citizens? We need a team of lawyers which scours the sites of Maoist rampages, collects evidence, marshals witnesses to assist the prosecution in making an airtight case... and sticks with the battle all the way to the Supreme Court, because pro-Maoist lawyers like Prashant Bhushan will take the fight that far. This is perhaps the only means by which people like Arun Ferreira, Vernon Gonzalves, Satya Reddy, Dhanendra Bhurle and Khobad Ghandy can be brought to the gibbet and made to face the consequences of waging war against a free, just and democratic state.

This is all happening in our own country, gentlemen. We can point fingers at EJs and Gora NGOs ad nauseam, but you know what... they're the outsiders, fighting us on our soil here. If even with the home-field advantage, all we can do is complain bitterly and then log off and have dinner and watch Zee TV with the wife and kids... we do not deserve to ever see the future we fondly envision for India.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 24 Sep 2009 20:51

>>But what of us... we who are equally educated, equally the intelligensia, who sit before keyboards and vent our frustration day after day after day? Are we not "intellectuals" as well? Or are we going to let the commies claim that label and allow left-wing thuggery to become equated with an "enlightened" worldview?

Good point. I'm doing my bit by constantly targetting their wikis and not letting them have a peaceful email reading experience by sending them tonnes of love which their spam filters cant handle. More time they spend dealing with such mails, less time they have spreading them propaganda. If there is more that i can do please let me know. NGO or such org are best handled by people who have time to devote the cause which i sadly at the current phase of my life cant devote.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Sep 2009 21:11

Nice going, Avinash_R! I think you are doing as much as a single individual could be expected to. However, people organized to work as a coordinated group could accomplish much more than the sum of their individual efforts... see how the Left, from Arundhati Roy to Sandeep Pandey to Jyoti Punwani, have managed to keep a campaign going that has the appearance of being MUCH more than the sum of its parts.

For more information on how the Left Machine works its disproportionate influence over the public in India, read this article (written by a friendly neighbourhood BRF moderator some years ago)... very informative, and entertaining as well.

http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_050701.htm "The Red Badge of Umbrage"

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Sep 2009 01:49

E-trail led to Kobad capture

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Sep 2009 12:14

Salwa Judum by another name...this time you can be pretty sure rapist goon / mass murderer propaganda puppets posing as holy human rights warriors would have no objections... in fact the Stalinist yellow daily would not even talk about it and its propaganda blogger wont be writing reports filled with sorrow about tribals getting displaced..

http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20090928/81 ... again.html

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 28 Sep 2009 12:40

Who are the Communists and what they have achieved?

Communists

Who are the Maoists?

They are the typical purveyors of falsehood in the name of the poor, whose basic aim is to grab power through the barrel of the gun as they are aware that they will be summarily rejected at the hustings and have no hope in hell to capture power democratically.

Even if they capture power, will the Maoist allow people to live in a free society where the individual rights are respected? The experience in the USSR or China does not lead us to believe that this will be so! In other words, just a change in the ruling class, and this time for one which is more ruthless and cruel!

Fine; Salwa Judum is no better than the Maoists. But then, if there were no atrocities and injustice from the Maoists, where would there be a Salwa Judum? The very fact that there is the Salwa Judum indicates that the common tribal is fed up to the gills with atrocities of the Maoists with no cognisable results professed by the Maoists! The ‘liberated zones’ are the ones which is most seriously affected.

All these ‘intellectuals’ who identify with the Maoists do so for self acclaim. In fact, psychologists should study them. They maybe from elitist schools, but somewhere down the line, they must have had a rough time in the family or school, which they could not express, but having shed the shackles are taking it back on society!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 28 Sep 2009 18:31

RayC wrote:Who are the Communists and what they have achieved?

Communists

1. Who are the Maoists?

2. They are the typical purveyors of falsehood in the name of the poor, whose basic aim is to grab power through the barrel of the gun as they are aware that they will be summarily rejected at the hustings and have no hope in hell to capture power democratically.

3. Even if they capture power, will the Maoist allow people to live in a free society where the individual rights are respected? The experience in the USSR or China does not lead us to believe that this will be so! In other words, just a change in the ruling class, and this time for one which is more ruthless and cruel!

1. I would say "whoTH is a Maoist" is an irrelevant question. Labels are useless. All labels are always useless.

2. Maoist believe in violence and not in democratic procedures. But their violent actions get legitimacy because the existing Indian elite too doesn't give a damn about what citizens want. To the extent, that many openly insist that citizens opinions must not even be registered, let alone be counted. Routinely, you hear arguments that Indian citizens are too immature (read : foolish) to take administrative decision. Too many in India insist that anyone who demands expulsion of judges should be imprisoned. When democracy is crushed under the garb of few arcane clauses, violence gets legitimacy. So while Maoists are criminals, some of the anti-Maoist who are also anti-democracy are one reason why Maoists gained ground.

3. USSR/China did not have liberty, but situation of commons was better than that in India in every respect -- food, military, cloths, medicine, old age cares, education, population control etc. If one compared China vs India, it is clear that Chinese regime was less inhuman than Indian regimes, except that Indian regimes inflicted pain in a way elite will remain behind the curtain and people would end up blaming their fate. I dislike communist regimes, because they could not give even 10% of what West could achieve, and so I like US like regimes. But for someone who has no information on US like regimes, and knows only of China and India, it is quite likely that he would like China style regime though it is inferior to US like regime.

Fine; Salwa Judum is no better than the Maoists. But then, if there were no atrocities and injustice from the Maoists, where would there be a Salwa Judum? The very fact that there is the Salwa Judum indicates that the common tribal is fed up to the gills with atrocities of the Maoists with no cognisable results professed by the Maoists! The ‘liberated zones’ are the ones which is most seriously affected.

Salwa Judum is a terrible misnomer, like all political labels. Salwa Judum in true sense would mean giving weapons to ALL commons, not just those who are affiliated with BJP leaders (or Congress leaders or CPM leaders). The SJ in Chhatisgadh consisted of lackeys of BJP leaders and also lackeys of some Congress leaders, as AvinashR later showed. But it did not believe in giving weapons to all commons. When a small number of individuals have guns, and rest are gunless, the individuals with guns will beat, loot, kill and rape those without guns. Whether the individuals with guns call themselves "police" or "naxals" or "SJ" will make no difference. In case of police, beatings is less in urban and literate areas as people have relatives in courts, IPS, MLAs who keep a check. But in tribal areas, where commons have no relatives in courts, IPS, MLAs etc police, SJ and naxals are indistinguishable as far as beatings, loot, pillage etc goes.

I support a TRUE Salwa Judum, where in every common is given gun to kill Naxals as well as Policemen/judges if they cross the line. Giving guns to a small group of individuals, who are nothing but lackeys of Congress, BJP or CPM leaders is p-JS and nothing more.

This p-JS is NOT going to reduce naxal mess even by 1%. Why? Soon the naxals are getting AK-100 from Missionaries and also getting stinger for CIA to shoot down choppers. The p-JS will not survive unless they too are given AK-100. And if p-JS get AK-100, then they will unleash a total terror on commons, which will push more and more commons towards naxals, making them stronger.

So summarizing

1. True Salva Judum -> solution
2. pseudo Salva Judum -> civil war

BJP, Congress and CPM want to promote "pseudo Salva Judum", not True Salva Judum.

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The existing war against Naxals will make both, GoI and Naxals, slaves of CIA/Christianists.

1. To Naxals, CIA/Christianists will say "obey us, if you want stinger type anti-helicopter missiles to fight against GoI".

2. And to GoI, CIA/Christianists will say "obey us, or else we will give stinger to naxals".

If Naxals get stinger, then choppers will become useless and then CRPF or COBRA policemen will face unacceptably high damage, and so they will give up in many areas. And if Naxals dont get stinger type missiles, they are doomed big time.

Essentially, we are seeing Kargil redux. In 1998-99, US won India-Pakistan war. And today too, CIA/Christianists won this Naxal-GoI war, at least for the time being.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 28 Sep 2009 20:09

Sad part of life,is it is all about labels.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Sep 2009 20:34

one thing is sure, if we really had laws that allowed guns for everyone the EVM thread arguments would have been settled long back, although I'm not sure who would have won !

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 29 Sep 2009 04:00

India plans all-out attack on Maoists

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 29 Sep 2009 09:52

RM,

'Who is the Maoist' is irrelevant and mere label to you. True. Who are the Congressmen, the BJPmen or Lalloomen? They too are mere labels. And yet they affect our daily lives!! So, they are relevant to most Indians!

The very fact that the Maoists do not believe in the democratic process and are adherents to the theory that power grows from the barrel of gun indicates that they have the power to disrupt normal lives. The turmoil and fear they spread is surely relevant, at least to those on whom it is perpetuated. Therefore, they are relevant as is the democratic elected govt which cannot protect the population from the Maoists. Both are relevant and both have different labels!

Who are the elite? Anyone who projects a harebrained idea that appears to veer on anarchy? If anarchy was a constructive form of lifestyle, it would have been adopted long ago. It is only those who are self-opiniated and not recognised as would their ego demands are those who propose imbecilic theories that grips the imagination of equally juvenile individuals. That is hardly the benchmark for an elite!

USSR may have had great scheme for welfare of its citizens, but when everyone gets things on the platter, it kills initiative and drive. The result? Collapse, China has woken up and so it is working on a via media. We have to await the results. I don’t like Capitalism in its raw form and the collapse of the US economy makes me even more apprehensive. I prefer a middle path. I neither like the Chinese style.

If Salwa Judum meant giving weapons to all and sundry, how would it be guaranteed that it was also not being given to the Maoists masquerading as common people? Easier said than done. If that was the way how things were done, then why have screening for the Armed Forces. Let all join who volunteer, more so, since there is a huge deficiency! Idealism is not the answer.
Who is held answerable to the people of Chattisgarh or Jharkhand for the miseries perpetuated on them by the Maoists? The Centre, the Opposition, the do gooders? No. It is the govt whichever it might be. Therefore should they not have committed people who are ready to die for the govt’s cause? Where will the govt get committed people ready to die for their SJ? From the Opposition, from the Maoists or from their own cadres? Therefore, what is wrong in having committed people of your own hue? What is the bottomline? To eradicate the Maosist or is it a garibi hatao scheme for the aam admi?

I am not too conversant with the SJ, but the Ikhwanis in Kashmir did make a lot of difference and they had to be kept in check not to carry out extortion or revenge. If the SJ is acting as extra constitution authority, then it is for those who control them to take note. The concept is not flawed. The execution, maybe.

There can be no true Salwa Judum. We are human. Idealism is good, but is not a reality. Jyoti Basu is a Communist and his heart bleeds for the poor and yet he lives in grandeur with all the pomp and show and his son is a capitalist! He own/owned tea estates in Jalpaiguri! Somnath Chatterjee is a rich man and yet claims to be a committed Communist. Why don’t they give their wealth to the poor and live like the poor?

That way, Mamata Bannerjee, much that I dislike her style of politics, at least shows identity with the aam admi more than the Communists or Sonia and her party wherein she wear common clothes and flew economy class even before Sonia Gandhi's fiat!

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 29 Sep 2009 12:22

Rahul M wrote:one thing is sure, if we really had laws that allowed guns for everyone the EVM thread arguments would have been settled long back, although I'm not sure who would have won !

So you are saying having a gun settle the argument like that in the hollywood western movies.
Did you watch QGM recently?

Sorry couldn't resist. Please continue

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Sep 2009 21:40

Gentlemen, please refrain from discussing EVMs, right to bear guns etc. in this thread-- it is meant for discussing the gravest armed threat to India's internal security, and the overground service centers which facilitate the activities of its cadres.

Discussing Salwa Judum is relevant; using the mention of Salwa Judum as a launch-pad for tangential rants promoting a half-baked political agenda is not. Admins, please do the needful and clean up here before it gets Nukkadized.

To get back to topic...

Cross posting from the Internal Security Thread:

Absolving Maoists of their Crimes
http://www.dailypioneer.com/205298/Abso ... rimes.html

Swapan Dasgupta

In the late-1960s and early-1970s, it was not unusual to hear about young men and women from privileged backgrounds breaking off ties with their families, catching a train to some god-forsaken place in Bihar and then going “underground”. When I joined Delhi’s St Stephen’s College, unquestionably a citadel of both excellence and privilege, in 1972, there were many who viewed all imports from Calcutta as potentially suspect and contaminated with the Naxalite virus. After all, too many bright sparks had abruptly disappeared into the countryside in search of the class war that would finally liberate India and elevate China’s Chairman into “our Chairman”.

Mercifully, such puerile manifestations of impatience with the old order yielded little fruit. The majority of those who packed a pair of jeans and tried to persuade poor peasants that they should hack the local landlord into pieces and feed the jackals, returned dejected and traumatised. Most of them had done nothing really purposeful during their “underground” stint but there were a few who had taken the perverted prophet Charu Mazumdar at face value. Some had indeed killed hapless traffic policemen, ageing vice-chancellors and third-rung politicians.

These amateur criminals posed a problem both for their parents and those in charge of stamping out the Naxalite movement. Fortunately there is one law for the aam aadmi and one law for those who have connections. Thanks to an astonishing show of flexibility by the authorities, the PLU murderers were given a way out. Their parents were advised to send the deviants to a foreign country and make sure they didn’t return in a hurry. Most never did. The US in particular hosts a large number of law-abiding people of Indian origin who were banished from the mother country for heinous crimes. In the old days, criminals in England were transported to Australia and French criminals suffered on Devil’s Island. Four decades ago, we sent off our political criminals to taste life in the heartlands of capitalism. It was the most agreeable punishment devised by an otherwise brutal state.

Needless to say, this punishment was reserved for some. The Indian state came down hard on the less fortunate. Few of them have lived to reflect on their misguided past.

The ones who went “underground” for a lark returned to their normal lives after hunger and dysentery overwhelmed their Maoism. The few who were truly agonised over the plight of the poor joined the Human Rights and Civil Liberties groups. It was a prudent change of tack since these bodies have been generously funded by angst-ridden Europeans (if only to show that India is at the core a rotten Third World country) and have evolved into overground service centres for every conceivable group that is waging war on the Indian state. In hindsight, Charu Mazumdar’s investment in the brat pack of the 1960s has paid off. Today, in the guise of protecting civil liberties, they operate as ideological covers for any group that wants the disintegration of India.

It is necessary to provide a background to the contrived tear-jerking that is being witnessed in the English-language media over the arrest of one Kobad Ghandhy, an ideologue and Politburo member of the outlawed CPI(Maoist). Normally, the arrest of a senior Maoist leader doesn’t lead to every cub reporter shedding tears. But Ghandhy’s advantage is that he came from a rich Bombay family, went to Doon School, bummed around London in the 1970s, was a leading light of the Human Rights industry and, finally, went “underground” to service a group of armed murderers. Of course, Ghandhy has probably never killed someone personally or planted one of those deadly mines that have led to the deaths of policemen and para-military forces in Chhattisgarh. For that matter, he was probably never personally around when his comrades turfed poor Adivasis out of their homes for the crime of refusing to acknowledge the power of the Red Flag. No, or so the argument goes, Ghandhy was a good man because he felt for the poor, spoke good English and had eschewed his inheritance. He was a good man because he cut a romantic figure.

The campaign to paint a halo around Ghandhy has begun in right earnest. In time, we may even witness countless intellectuals and even Nobel Prize winners sign petitions calling for his release, perhaps on medical grounds. It is even possible that an orchestrated campaign may lead to the courts ordering his release on bail on compassionate grounds — the paediatrician Binayak Sen was granted bail on grounds of ill health. But does a spirited campaign by bleeding hearts necessarily absolve Ghandhy?

A man who occupied a top leadership position of an outlawed organisation that has assaulted the sovereignty of the Indian state cannot claim with any degree of credibility that he was oblivious of the military wing of his party. The armed struggle is an integral part of the CPI(Maoist) and its military operations have been sanctioned by the political leadership. Obviously, Ghandhy may be unaware of the operational details of the arson, murder and extortion in the deep forests of central India. But these operations have been sanctioned by people like him. His supporters cannot whitewash his culpability.

The law doesn’t make a distinction between those who can speak English and those who are better versed in the vernacular. Over the past two years, many of the so-called ideologues of the Students Islamic Movement have been arrested. They preached the idea of jihad and motivated many earnest Muslim youth to kill innocent people for the sake of a larger cause. But these ideologues never actually carried out the bombings; they left it to the more daring and resourceful.

If Ghandhy is to be released, the top leadership of SIMI (also a banned outfit) should be feted by Human Rights-wallahs in five-star hotels and invited to meaningful seminars underwritten by the European Union. Would that be a sign of India’s enlightenment or India’s stupidity?

The above article is an excellent insight into the ontogeny of the Maoist threat, and helps us understand how the various pieces ("intellectuals", NGOs, Western-based "Academics" and armed terrorists) fit together by examining the origin of the movement.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 29 Sep 2009 22:02

Following is the link to the video of a discussion about NAXAL MENACE in NDTV

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/ne ... spx?ID=358

one can feel that there is lots of romanticism involved with naxals and not only that, the moderator even tries to brush away the question by one of the viewers when he says that naxals are funded and armed by other countries.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 29 Sep 2009 22:08

RayC wrote:...............................

USSR may have had great scheme for welfare of its citizens, but when everyone gets things on the platter, it kills initiative and drive. The result? Collapse, China has woken up and so it is working on a via media. We have to await the results. I don’t like Capitalism in its raw form and the collapse of the US economy makes me even more apprehensive. I prefer a middle path. I neither like the Chinese style.
....................

Ray Sir,
would like to add one more point to what you said.
USSR lost it because in the process of removing the differences between rich and poor classes it came up with new set of classes, namely communist party men and others and that created a whole new class structure, which was far more ruthless and remorseless.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Sep 2009 23:14

Rajsunder, the purpose of NDTV's programming is to ensure that present and future generations of Indian elite continue to "romanticize" the Naxals... as NDTV's founders themselves do.

NDTV's connection to the extreme Left is well known... Prannoy Roy, Brinda Karat, etc. Many of these people were involved, to some extent or other, with the 1st-wave of Charu Mazumdar-influenced Naxalism during the 1960s and 1970s. Others of their compatriots are well ensconced in academia... JNU of course, but also "elite" institutions like St. Stephen's Delhi and St. Xavier's Mumbai. They passed down the romanticized view of the Naxals to future generations of their elite social class, not only figuratively but even literally. Nalini Sardesai, a sociology professor at St. Xavier's Mumbai, is the mother of none other than Rajdeep Sardesai of CNN-IBN!

The principle of Mao-vangelism is the same as that employed by the 1960s and 70s Naxal leadership who recruited Khobad Gandhy, Amit Bagchi and co. English-speaking, well-educated, economically comfortable young people ,who can avail of connections and opportunities as a matter of social status and inheritance, are made to feel guilty by exploiting their sense of privilege. Then, the option of "romanticizing" a bunch of murderers, terrorists and thugs is offered to these young men and women as a means of transferring and thus alleviating their guilt. "Here, if you're going to be rich and live in an airconditioned bungalow while slum kids are playing in the open sewer... then prove that you're not a part of the establishment which allows such injustice, by declaring war against the establishment!" In essence, it's no different than the Christian evangelist ethos of making you feel guilty and then encouraging you to hand over your guilt to Jesus!

Still feeling guilty? Well then, contribute to NGOs, write articles, insinuate yourself into the media or academic positions and continue to spread the word. And if you're the rough-and-tumble active type, pick up the jhola, learn to fire a gun and go underground. Rough and tumble types who found the jungle life a little too rugged for their tastes, can always return (getting a free pass from the law, as explained by Swapan Dasgupta) and join the "human rights" NGO industry-- sniping at the establishment, at society, at the nation, at its institutions of justice and governance from this side of the law. The whole ethos is based on fobbing off your guilt onto a scapegoat, after all... and in a "secular" land which is 84% Hindu, scapegoats are always available!

Today, NDTV, CNN-IBN et al are electronic extensions of the NGO-English Media-Academic network set up by Naxal Alumni of the 1960s and 1970s batches, operating with abundant foreign assistance. They are trying their best to make new generations of English-speaking Indian elite follow in the deluded path of guilt-transferrence, romanticizing Naxals and eventually supporting institutions that actively, constantly undermine the Indian nation.

They may not succeed, because unlike in the '70s, not every economically well-off English speaking Indian of today was BORN into privilege. Since the late '80s and '90s, many of them have got where they are through hard work, drive and ambition... starting from very humble roots not too distant from the "underprivileged" whom the Naxals and Maoists claim to be "fighting for". Kids who grew up in the slums of Mira Road and now work in IT companies have nothing to feel guilty about... and the peddlers of Naxal Romanticism will have a hard time trying to seduce them into guilt-based enlistment with the ranks of the Red Menace.

On a larger scale, the absence of a true middle class... represented by the upwardly mobile Indian post 1985... has also been responsible for the lack of a true nationalist constituency in India. All we've had are the confused, privileged, guilt-ridden rich folk who mouth DIE platitudes and romanticize the anti-national left... and the poor, herded this way and that by thuggish satraps seeking power on the basis of caste, religious and regional identities. The rising middle class, growing very significantly in this decade, represent the power of hope, the existence of opportunity, the enduring triumph of faith in the nation and its systems... and the final nail in the coffin of Maoism as a relevant political philosophy. No wonder the left are fighting so desperately hard on all fronts, to retain any toe-holds that still remain to them.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 30 Sep 2009 11:39

Rahul Mehta wrote:If one compared China vs India, it is clear that Chinese regime was less inhuman than Indian regimes,

Fine keeping spinning the deaths of millions of chinese are less inhuman. I guess you would perceive it differently if you were part of those millions.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0697f.asp
All the time, the peasants were in fact starving — in the millions. In their dreadful state, the peasants sank to the lowest form of human survival — they resorted to cannibalism. They dug up the bodies of the recently dead. They hid the fact that family members had died: first, to continue to obtain an extra food ration from the party distributors; and second, to hide the fact that the deceased had been eaten. Then, finally, at the lowest level of an instinct for survival, adults began to kill and eat their own children, usually trading their living child for that of a neighbor's, so they would not have to literally murder and eat their own son or daughter. Children would beg their parents not to let them be eaten.
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Thirty million people may have died because of his folly, but Mao would not forget that others in the party had challenged him — that they had made him admit that physical laws of nature had stood in his way of making China over in his own image. And in 1966, Mao launched the Great Cultural Revolution, supposedly to purify the party and to rejuvenate the Chinese revolution. Its real purpose was to serve as the vehicle for Mao's revenge against his opponents. It, in turn, cost the lives of millions more and resulted in the loss of another generation of Chinese.

Rahul Mehta wrote:The SJ in Chhatisgadh consisted of lackeys of BJP leaders and also lackeys of some Congress leaders, as AvinashR later showed.

Dont use my name for your idiotic comments.
SJ was not a group of lackeys of politicians as you try to paint them.
It was societal response to the violence perpetuated by the maoists/naxals on the tribals. Tribals were armed to protect themselves and not to garner votes. This move was supported by all parties which shows the united voice against maoist violence. Next time you show utter disregard to the lives of the tribals and vilify then it's open season against you and your 2bit political party.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Oct 2009 06:07

Naxal leader has Rs 1crore cover
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news ... 074259.cms

TNN 1 October 2009, 04:06am IST

KOLKATA: People's Committee against Police Atrocities (PCPA) leader Chhatradhar Mahato has a life insurance policy worth Rs 1 crore, had recently bought a house in Orissa's Mayurbhanj and regularly received funds from 'intellectuals in Kolkata', police claimed on Wednesday.

West Bengal DGP Bhupinder Singh said Mahato had made these confessions in police custody and that he had also admitted to links with Maoists. Rights activists and intellectuals in Kolkata were quick to debunk it, saying the 'confessions' were extracted through coercion.

Mahato was arrested from his hideout near West Midnapore's Kantapahari on Saturday by policemen in the guise of a foreign news channel crew. It was a major breakthrough for police, who have been fighting a losing battle in Lalgarh. Mahato had spearheaded the Maoist-backed movement that kept police out of Lalgarh for months.

The PCPA leader's alleged Rs 1 crore insurance policy has raised eyebrows. For someone of Mahato's age (if he had bought the policy recently), the annual premium could be Rs 15 lakh for a 15-year policy, Rs 8 lakh for 20 years, or Rs 7-7.5 lakh if it were for 25 years.

The question is, how did Mahato manage to pay such a hefty amount? The Class XII passout is a dealer in saal leaves and has an ancestral property — a 15-bigha plot — in Amliya village of Lalgarh. The annual income from all this taken together would not be more than Rs 2 lakh.

Police are not revealing the details of the policy yet. "We are verifying Mahato's claim and checking several bank accounts held by PCPA and individuals associated with the body," said an officer.

Singh said PCPA's funds came from several sources, including individuals from Kolkata, who were Mahato's "associates". He refused to disclose their identities, remarking: "You might call them intellectuals, but I might not call them that." On one occasion, Mahato apparently received a donation of Rs 1.5 lakh from them. "Mahato has named several people who funded the PCPA. If necessary, police will talk to them as well," Singh said. "The PCPA started off with these donations and then went on to extortion."

Kolkata-based organizations, like the Association for Protection of Democratic Rights (APDR), which openly support PCPA, contest the police statements.

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^^^ One needs to investigate the original source of these funds. Would not surprise me if the funds ultimately come from abroad (maybe in the guise of hefty salaries paid to "intellectuals" for sinecures in NGOs).

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Oct 2009 07:39

A red washed version...no mention of intellectual supporters of anti-Indian terror.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/01/stories ... 100100.htm

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Oct 2009 08:47

RD garu,

They may not succeed, because unlike in the '70s, not every economically well-off English speaking Indian of today was BORN into privilege. Since the late '80s and '90s, many of them have got where they are through hard work, drive and ambition... starting from very humble roots not too distant from the "underprivileged" whom the Naxals and Maoists claim to be "fighting for". Kids who grew up in the slums of Mira Road and now work in IT companies have nothing to feel guilty about... and the peddlers of Naxal Romanticism will have a hard time trying to seduce them into guilt-based enlistment with the ranks of the Red Menace.

On a larger scale, the absence of a true middle class... represented by the upwardly mobile Indian post 1985... has also been responsible for the lack of a true nationalist constituency in India. All we've had are the confused, privileged, guilt-ridden rich folk who mouth DIE platitudes and romanticize the anti-national left... and the poor, herded this way and that by thuggish satraps seeking power on the basis of caste, religious and regional identities. The rising middle class, growing very significantly in this decade, represent the power of hope, the existence of opportunity, the enduring triumph of faith in the nation and its systems... and the final nail in the coffin of Maoism as a relevant political philosophy. No wonder the left are fighting so desperately hard on all fronts, to retain any toe-holds that still remain to them.

Bravo!

Do you have a blog sir?

I know some nationalists in the teaching fraternity. Would love to use some of your essays as part of 'reading comprehension' lessons only.

Time for the nationalist class to fight back inside the halls of academia.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 01 Oct 2009 10:05

Hari, I am flattered... please go ahead and use whatever you wish. I do have a blog, though I have been largely remiss in updating it:

indospheric.blogspot.com

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 02 Oct 2009 09:49

The "oppressed" at work again ...

Maoists kill 16 Indian villagers

A survivor whose son was among the dead told the BBC that the attackers tied up 16 people and shot them

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Oct 2009 20:24

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/282 ... -sign.html

Is he really interested in stopping the spread of poison at its source or is just another photo-op...time will tell. With the declining influence of Stalinist plants like Arjun Singh, Congress is best positioned to take on the remnants of the ideology of mass murderers.

Note how many of the media coverage talks of 'intellectuals' and 'debate' etc., in the context of JNU. What sort of debate when they do not even let IG/RG enter their premises!

This automatic link between so called intellectual and ideology of mass murderers and rapist goons that has only produced violent criminals and dictators should be broken first. Hope Rahul can do that..

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 02 Oct 2009 21:04

IAF seeks nod to fire at Naxals

Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik said on Thursday, “We have put up a case before the defence ministry. It is absolutely important that the air force be allowed to fire in self-defence whenever its helicopters or aircrew comes under attack.”

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If the army is imparting training, the IAF has deployed unmanned aerial vehicles for surveillance and providing intelligence to the security forces. Helicopters are being used for ferrying troops, reconnaissance and evacuating casualties.

On using airpower against Naxals, Naik said foolproof intelligence would be required to launch such operations because the risk of collateral damage (common people getting killed) was extremely high.

There are no plans to rope in the military to fight Naxals. He said the air force had rarely used airpower against the citizens of the country. Referring to US drone attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan, he said, “Even these attacks have taken place outside US territory.”

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 03 Oct 2009 16:34

The site bannedthought.net contains the statements of the calm and tender CPI(Maoists).

From there, an article describing the great Anuradha Ghandy and her greatest achievements. Note the organisations PROYOM, Dalit Panther , CPDR and others which are connected. Also note the places in which she was instrumental in raising the holy red flag.

Original PDF - http://www.bannedthought.net/india/Peop ... 200807.pdf

Google Cache of PDF

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And an excerpt from the article that Kobad Ghandy wrote - Post-Election Situation-Our Tasks- that finally led the cops to him :

Immediate Tasks

In order to defeat the new offensive by the enemy and to protect the gains of our people's war it is very essential to rouse the masses throughout the country, stand up in support of the struggles in Dandakaranya, Bihar-Jharkhand, Orissa, Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Maharashtra, Karnataka and other places, and build a broad-based countrywide mass movement against the fascist offensive by the reactionary rulers with the active assistance and guidance of the imperialists. To defend our guerrilla bases in Dandakaranya and BJ and to advance the armed struggle in the guerrilla zones we have to carry out the following immediate tasks:

Prepare the people, the Party and the PLGA (Peoples' Liberation Guerilla Army) politically to confront the brutal enemy onslaught; take initiative to unite with other struggling organizations and forces to forge strong united fronts on every issue and at every level possible; enthuse them with the daring counter-offensives carried out by our forces in various parts of the country and prepare them to undertake similar operations;

Prepare and mobilize the entire Party, PLGA and the people for carrying out tactical counter-offensives and various forms of armed resistance and inflict severe losses to the enemy forces; attacks should be organized with meticulous planning against the state's khaki and olive-clad terrorist forces, SPOs, police informants, and other counter-revolutionaries and enemies of the people; these attacks should be carried out in close coordination with, and in support of, the armed resistance of the masses; these should be linked to the seizure of political power and establishment of base areas; it is the combined attacks by all the three wings of the PLGA and the people at large that can ensure the defeat of the enemy offensive;

Purge the non-proletarian trends prevailing in our Party and the movement by conducting Rectification Campaign in an effective manner so as to provide capable proletarian leadership to the Indian revolution;

Protect the leadership and preserve the Party cadres and PLGA fighters by avoiding unnecessary losses; expand our Party by recruiting new members and train up comrades at every level to build new leadership; rectify the weaknesses in the existing mechanism and strengthen it by avoiding everything that is likely to be exposed to the enemy through betrayers, arrested persons and our Party records;

The aim of the enemy will be to isolate us from the broad masses engaging us in continuous military engagements, then to pin us down militarily using his superior armed force and other infrastructure; we have to foil this tactic of the enemy by taking up the basic issues of the people, mobilising them into militant mass struggles

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... uation.htm

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Oct 2009 13:47

Maoists behead Inspector as Govt refuses to release Ghandy & Mahato

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 06 Oct 2009 14:14

SSridhar wrote:Maoists behead Inspector as Govt refuses to release Ghandy & Mahato

Now what would our intellectuals with intelligence say about this. Well atleast the Govt has some spine to refuse the release. However I wonder what would have happened if a top politico or babu or their family members were kidnapped? Something like which happened in Kashmir in 1990.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 06 Oct 2009 14:28

BBC is always careful to give the Maoists sympathetic treatment. See how it avoids any mention of the gruesome beheading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8291985.stm

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Oct 2009 19:18

Pranav wrote:BBC is always careful to give the Maoists sympathetic treatment. See how it avoids any mention of the gruesome beheading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8291985.stm

So per BBC, Maoists "Arrested" this police inspector and tried him for what before killing (beheading?) him.

Good going! When will our state/central govts wakeup and ban BBC in India for its misrepresentation of facts and glorification of anti-national elements?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Oct 2009 19:52

at least the media is not whitewashing this gruesome incident.

watched IBN and times now both are airing a "maoist taliban tactics" headline. don't know about NDTV.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Oct 2009 02:07

Maoists behead cop kidnapped to secure Ghandy’s release

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Oct 2009 04:12

India prepares new assault on its 'biggest threat' ---- CSM

New Delhi - India's government is planning a major new assault on Maoist rebels, known as Naxalites, across the four states where their presence is strongest. The move comes as new evidence emerges the Maoists are stepping up their military and operational tactics – and winning new recruits across the country.

Some experts are skeptical about what the campaign, whose details are murky, can achieve.

Ajay Sahni, executive director of the Institute for Conflict Management in New Delhi, says India's security forces do not have the strength – in terms of "numbers, training, transportation, arms" – to gain control over such vast swaths of territory.

"Until there's been a steady, tremendous capacity-building, all deployments will be irrational; it will just be a nibbling away at the peripheries, and a lot of security forces will be killed," he says.

Security analysts say that ahead of the announced campaign, which may begin as soon as this month, paramilitary forces are being sent into the eastern states of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa, and Bihar, where the movement is most heavily concentrated. Though it is not known how many extra troops will be deployed, at least 20,000 were being sent to Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand, where some 35,000 troops are already operating.

Naxalites, who claim to fight for India's poorest, powerless people, have a strong network – estimates of their cadre numbers vary from 10,000 to 20,000 – across many tribal and landless communities of eastern India.

Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram said recently that Maoists had improved their operations, from making increasingly sophisticated bombs to "laying greater emphasis on attacking economic and development infrastructure such as roads, bridges, railways, power, and telecommunication networks."

A Maoist strategy report, recently leaked to the government, calls for attacks on Indian security forces and efforts to prevent multinational companies taking over mines in central and eastern India.

"This time, the fight will be more long-drawn and more bitter than the one against the British imperialist armies," the document says.

In a more peaceable attempt to deter people from joining the Maoists, the government has also launched a newspaper campaign. The first advertisement, in national newspapers, featured graphic photographs of people killed by Maoists, among them a child, and the words, "These are innocent people – victims of Naxal [Maoist] violence."

Mr. Sahni says the media campaign is "too obvious and clumsy to have any real effect. On the ground, it is by word of mouth and example that things spread, and the Maoists are more effective at communicating the [perceived] atrocities of the state."

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Oct 2009 04:23

Cops get Khobad & chocolate

Ghandy, 58, in judicial custody since his arrest last month, was sent to three days’ police remand for questioning after his lawyer failed to turn up in court.

The reed-thin Ghandy appeared in court clutching a bottle of mineral water. He left protesting his police remand, pleading he was too ill to be moved around and that he was handicapped in the absence of his lawyer.

As he was being led away, a friend quickly shoved a packet of chocolates into his hand. Ghandy’s eyes lit up but the police immediately snatched it from him. The prisoner gave his friend a rueful smile.

If Ghandy is to be believed, the chocolate was the police’s only gain. “I am just a writer and to say that I am a prize catch just because I write for the Maoists is a bit too much,” he said.

Earlier, waiting in the court, the alleged CPI (Maoist) politburo member had told The Telegraph that what the doctors told him during his check-up was different from what the medical report produced in court said.

“The doctor at the hospital said my cardiac tests were inconclusive and that I needed angiography. He referred my case to neurology. The tests were to be done today.”

The report handed to the court allegedly said Ghandy did not need hospital treatment at the moment.

There was brief confusion in the court as Ghandy searched for his lawyer, who later claimed he hadn’t been informed his client would be produced today. Ghandy’s judicial remand was to expire tomorrow. Police officers refused to explain why they had rushed to get his custody a day early.

The accused demanded the hearing be postponed. “I am not well, I have been advised tests by doctors of the GB Pant Hospital which were to be conducted today but didn’t happen. I am suffering from cancer and need medical supervision and cannot be moved from one place to the other,” Ghandy told the magistrate.

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Sources said Ghandy had told his sister, who met him in Tihar jail on Saturday, that he had been denied his prescribed blood pressure medicine and that he felt dizzy without them.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Oct 2009 04:23

Here is something that seems weird about Khobad Ghandy and his recent fame (no, not infamy, he was "Famous" in media)

The photos that were shown in all breathless editorials (including BBC article here) were that of this Jholawala Adonis (big boyish grin, stylishly thick framed glasses to project intellectualism and designer hair). We had aging leftie senoritas writing article upon article about "how he made us wet" and even uses a Musha-ruffian propaganda device on why we should look at "root causes" etc. All with that black and white picture as a reference

The actual photo of the turd is far less complimentary from a Leftist Fashionista angle and started surfacing only after the story got off the front pages. By then of course he claimed infirmity for getting good treatment, while his black and white photo garners supports from one of those pink-chaddi type "micro color revolutions". Curious point here: he was carrying all his medical records ("Power to people and Lipitor"?) when he was arrested. He is infirm to stand in court, but firm enough to attempt disrupting Indian society through violent methods.

The method used to ingrain an image of an Indian Che Guevara with that B&W photograph and constant repetition of his "London education" as his key virtue was remarkable.

Edit: just saw pgbhat's post of the article above

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Oct 2009 05:01

Poor kobad.

Just when he tried claiming he was 'merely a writer for the Maoists and not some prize catch', the Maoists behead some random cop in Jharkhand explicitly demanding his release, thereby putting paid to the lie that he's no small catch at all.

Hope the cops water-board the turd, fittingly in a toilet bowl (after reading him his rights and all, of course). Pull every piece of info out of his ars. A root-canal response to root-causes rhetoric, lessay.

Find out ho's funding and shadow managing this macabre show. Jeez, get it done like yesterday already.

Lez hope some other big fish are also already in the net but unannouncedly so.