Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Oct 2009 23:51

Vivek Kumar wrote:Biggest question that everybody on BRF should ask is,

"Are these good taliban or bad taliban?"

Well we are far ahead of the rest of BRF. We already clarified in the BENIS dhaaga that these are not non-state acting taalipaan. These are miscreant-taalipaan.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 10 Oct 2009 23:52

FOXnews:

Note the correspondent mentions that the hostages are in the military intelligence wing of the GHQ.
So does that mean ISI was a key target in this attack?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Oct 2009 23:54

Rahul M wrote:low level soldiers and officers are expendable anyway in the larger cause.

agreed, would'nt be surprised to see mid level afsars committing soosai for the "greater good".

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 10 Oct 2009 23:54

Don't know how credible it is.

Five gunmen holding more than 100 people hostage inside Pakistani army headquarters in Rawalpindi- setup or real?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Oct 2009 00:03

If the situation worsens any further, there is real danger of Martial law in Pindi/Isloo to "facilitate investigations".

This will serve the purpose of showing Ten Percenti and Unkil, as to who still calls the shots in Pakistan. To prevent this, expect a preemptive rapid downhill skiing on Kerry-Lugar by Unkil and Ten percenti.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 00:12

Hmm,
Now that's an idea that has not been investigated by the pak fauj.
The pak fauj can take over in view of the detrioriating law and order situation in the nations capital.
I don't think Kiyani is the type who will fade away just like that. He is destined for greater glory within pakistan - IOW the seat of power as CMLA in slumbad.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 00:15

bibi:

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Oct 2009 00:15

Poor porkis

Taste of own medicine

Rectally administered

You have got to admire their control over their media. No hyperventilating and orgasmic female anchors giving a real time blow by blow account of troop movements and reinforcements.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2009 00:18

Guys: Don't get too excited about this tamasha in Pindi. Just 2 freedom fighters against a terrorist, genocidal army well-funded by the west is simply no match.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 11 Oct 2009 00:24

CRamS wrote:Guys: Don't get too excited about this tamasha in Pindi. Just 2 freedom fighters against a terrorist, genocidal army well-funded by the west is simply no match.

There is another angle here.

The Marriott blast last year, along with a series of defeats at the hands of the TTP were a humiliation for TSPA.

Right after that, Hafiz Saeed said that "real mujahideen" do their actions against Jews and Hindus and challenged jihadi groups to attack India.

Mumbai happened after that.

We laugh at this at our peril. A few low level officers or even a couple of brigadiers will not force TSPA to change its stripes.

As I keep saying, whenever pressure builds on TSPA from one side or the other, expect a missile "testing" followed by attacks on India.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Oct 2009 00:35

This is a 400% stage managed event orchestrated by the TSPA and ISI.

The objective is to get the US to backtrack on Kerry-Lugar and remove all the provisions that call for restrictions on the TSPA and ISI... requiring them to be subject to civilian authority, requiring them not to be involved with jihadi groups that attack other countries, denying them direct control over US aid disbursement, etc.

Having just bathed in the Noble Piss, Barack Hussein Osama will find his Enlightened Moderation prevailed upon to insist on those restrictions being removed. How can he add the insult of Kerry-Lugar to the injury that the TSPA/ISI have already sustained with an attack on their equivalent of the Pentagon? See to what a great extent they're putting themselves at risk on behalf of the US War on Terror, etc. etc.

Watch out for the usual Haraamkhors... Ahmed Rashid, Hussein Haqqani, Maleeha Lodhi, etc. to start making exactly this case on the news media circuit.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2009 00:49

Rangudu wrote: We laugh at this at our peril. A few low level officers or even a couple of brigadiers will not force TSPA to change its stripes.

I don't see any peril in lauging at those vile scum bags. However, if it is the Indian leadership that is laughing, I would caution against complacncy if thats what you meant.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 00:52

After the Marriott was taken out in Islamabad, the Pakistanis attacked the hotels in Mumbai.
Now after their army GHQ has been attacked, they are likely to go after the red fort or Army HQ in Srinagar / Delhi.
Another attack on India is due, possibly within the next two months.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 01:01

If India suffers another attack, and ***edited*** Singh has to yet again wag his finger and say "Vee vill not bhow too terrorism" for the umpteenth+1 time, then it means we'll have to watch another Mangalore pub attack stage-managed by Kaangress to take the heat off them by distracting the media.

More news on Rawalpindi from France24:

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 01:11

If the terrorists have Hostages, and are still holding them, this must mean that there are senior officers among them.
The pak army will not care for officers upto the rank of Lt Col and below or ordinary soldiers if they are held hostage. Unless the hostages are related to some crore commander or from his village back in Punjab, the hostages are mincemeat.
The pak fauj will simply IED Mubarak the building where the hostages are being kept.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 11 Oct 2009 01:20

I think it is time for Baki fauz to take charge of nation....................martial law, emergency or coup whatever.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Oct 2009 01:25

Could it be that some one was upset that

work on new GHQ was halted?

(tongue in cheek)

Also BTW: why does it say "Congratulations! You Won!" every time one visits Dawn site.

archan · Post by **archan** » 11 Oct 2009 01:34

^^

The Rs60 billion project

60 Billion inkay Abba ke paas bhi nahi hoga..

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 11 Oct 2009 01:37

I see nothing positive for India from this, except for a modicum of schadenfreude. Think about it:

1. No indication that any senior TSPA General is affected, let alone Kayani or Pasha

2. No chance for TSPA to rethink its jihadi policy - they have already begun to write off the TTP elements from their "assets" list. If anything, this will enhance TSPA's use of pigLeT and other "loyal" Pakjabi groups

3. There is a good chance that TSPA will spin this attack to do the following: (a) Do some smoke and mirrors "action" in Waziristan to placate the US and (b) Be even more brazen with Pakjabi groups by saying that "hey we cannot take on "popular" groups in Pakjab because they can hit us in Pindi

Net net, nothing all that good for India.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 11 Oct 2009 01:44

Sorry for piglish here I think it is all yendu+yahudi konspiraci............................how come no yendu or yehudi showed up far work at GHQ on 10 th Oct

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 01:56

Tauba tauba, a yindoo or yehudi at the center of Paak fauj?

And next to Islaam-abad?

Haven't you heard, the yindoos cower in their dhotis in dark places. They don't dare come in open battlefield. The send 'misguided' youth as soosai bombers to do their job.
They can't compare with a Paak fauji. After all a paaki = 10 yindoo.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 11 Oct 2009 01:58

astute observations rangudu sahib. at best it's a neutral event.
at worst, TSP is expertly slipping from being pinned down for the blame of yet another terror attack.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 02:11

I don't think TSP is slipping away from getting blamed.
In the West-Pakistan context, pakistan will continue to get the blame everytime some IED mubarak happens anywhere.
In the India-pakistan context, the blame in major part lies on India. Here the enemies of India have conveniently created a bogey of Unresolved Kashmir to shift the blame to, and involve India, the victim, with the blame. The fault on India's part is that India does not act as if it was deeply hurt by terror and actively challenges the audacity of Pakistan. India behaves like it is part of the game of diplomacy between two nations and is eager to curry favor from the west in scoring brownie points.
Each time that Indian leaders consult washington or try to get things done via washington, India's stature gets lowered in some form.

If India were to behave with a little more belligerence, and pakistani generals soil their pants at the thought of an Indian response to a terror attack by them, things will quietly settle down.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Oct 2009 02:15

Would I be correct in saying that the chances of error become higher if the signal is just a unique one off signal of very short duration rather than an entire concert?

OTOH I think we can make something positive out of this:

eg: use it as distraction and bomb PigLet HQ or something else proactively in self defense to halt mumbai type attacks:

Cooperate with our neighbor by sharing intelligence etc.. If they can extradite, say Saeed we can give them bhuvan pictures of some terrorists HQ.. Heck we can even be more generous .. open up free hotmail accounts for all their ufsars in return for their HEU.

We have to think out of the box... as Ramana would say in Latin "Carpe Momemtum Temporis"

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Oct 2009 02:16

Terrorists hold 10-15 people hostage in GHQ's skurity office

The DG ISPR confirmed killing of four terrorists whereas six security personnel including Brigadier Anwar and Lt. Col. Wasim were also martyred in the operation. Two terrorists managed to flee.

The security men later found that the escaped terrorists took shelter in a nearby security office which is now surrounded by security forces.

The ISPR said that more than two terrorists are in the security office where several security personnel are held hostage.

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 11 Oct 2009 02:33

Graphic pictures of some of the killed "taliban"

http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o ... ase&id=926

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 02:48

more from bibi:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8300745.stm

Reports say senior officers were among the hostages and among those who died.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Oct 2009 02:49

Sorry if already posted/seen:

FromDawn: Video clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DHookJwrYg

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Oct 2009 02:51

Lo ji kar lo gal. Pakistani press spewing rumors.

Terrorists Prevented From Infiltrating GHQ: US-linked Private Security Firms’ Involvement Suspected

{Blah blah about the attack}
...

The van is said to contain explosives while sophisticated weapons and communication equipment have been found both inside the van as well as on the dead militants, which points towards possible involvement of US private security agencies operating in Islamabad. These private security firms are employed by the US Embassy in Islamabad, and have been provided with banned sophisticated weapons after special approvals were obtained from Interior Minister Rehman Malik and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Security forces recently raided the offices of one such agency (Inter Risk) and recovered a large cache of sophisticated heavy weapons, while arresting its owner Ali Jaffar Zaidi.

Investigation conducted by police revealed that Inter Risk had made an agreement with an American security company, DynCorp, to provide security to US installations and diplomats and security personnel along with protecting their interests in Pakistan.

The firm was also asked to recruit security guards, especially those who can qualify for joining Special Services Group, and arranged a place for their training.

Sources said that during interrogation the accused disclosed names of some bigwigs, including officials of the Interior Ministry, allegedly involved in provision of licences of prohibited bore weapons to the security firm.

But the investigators are reluctant to take the ‘big shots’ into custody, the sources said, adding that a request had been made to the government by senior police officers.

With this morning’s attack on the General Head Quarters of the Armed Forces of Pakistan, one hopes serious action will be taken to shut down these US private security firms and their training centers, as well as in investigating the involvement of the US Embassy as well as interior ministry officials in anti-state activities.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 02:55

Gotta luv dat naPak NuJoisey acksennt:

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Oct 2009 02:59

Washington post's Sunday column:
How to Aggravate Pakistan

It's a classic example of the law of unintended consequences: Congress triples its assistance to Pakistan as part of a deepening strategic relationship. But members of Congress, always eager to tell other countries what to do, insert conditions that Pakistanis find insulting. As a result, rather than welcoming American aid and friendship, Pakistanis are indignant at U.S. meddling....
..Some of the popular anger in Islamabad is being manipulated by the Pakistani military, which should know better than to toss a match in the dry tinder of the U.S.-Pakistani relationship. And some of it, frankly, is a sign of Pakistani political immaturity. But..
<snip>
The only benefit I can see here is a perverse one: It may actually be easier for the Pakistani military to battle the Taliban and al-Qaeda if it's seen by the public as standing up defiantly to American pressure. There's no better cover for a pro-American policy, after all, than bashing Uncle Sam.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 03:15

SAMAA

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 11 Oct 2009 03:58

No Indian dictation on Hafiz Saeed: Malik

Pakistan will not take dictation from India and could not arrest Jamaatud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed without any credible evidence, Interior Minister Rehman Malik said on Saturday.

Malik said the Pakistan People’s Party-led government would not take any decision against the “national interests”.

James B · Post by **James B** » 11 Oct 2009 04:19

A Paki columnist's Uvacha

By every indicator of economic and social development, Pakistan figures near the bottom of the pile. Violence and population increase are the only two areas we seem to excel at. And yet to hear many in our parliament and media, one would think we are sitting on vast treasures that allow us to say ‘thanks, but no thanks’ to Washington.

Also says this about Kerry-Langer Bill

Having gone through these conditions twice, I am still mystified over what the fuss is about. Briefly, arms transfers and military assistance have been tied to an annual certification by the American secretary of state that Pakistan is not supporting terrorist groups attacking targets in neighbouring countries; that we are fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and will act against their leaders when intelligence is provided; that Pakistan will disrupt nuclear proliferation networks; and that our armed forces are not undermining democratic and judicial institutions.

What is fuelling the debate is the perception that these conditions imply that in the past, Pakistan was responsible for nuclear proliferation; did support jihadi outfits that carried out attacks in Afghanistan and India; failed to fight the Taliban effectively; and our army did indeed subvert the democratic process.

Surely the Pakistani opponents of the Kerry-Lugar bill are not pretending that we are innocent on all counts? Or has the state of denial penetrated so deeply into their collective psyche that they have erased all memory of the recent past? The same media that not long ago accused the Americans of bolstering Musharraf by writing him a blank cheque are now going ballistic over the army being held accountable.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 11 Oct 2009 04:34

Atlantic Council: Pakistan report

Authored by Chuck Hagel/John Kerry

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 05:10

Report: 8 hostages freed at Pakistani base

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Oct 2009 05:53

alok_m wrote:So many theories, Ass Phuck Kiya Nahi still hiding ...

[*] AmeerKhan telling GHQ not to bark too much about KL.
[*] India letting its displeasure known about not to shatter our embassy windows in Kabul. (if wishes were horses)
[*] A normal day in the civil war torn beggar country where few miscreants doing the bidding of anyone who chose to pay the bakshhesh of the day.

None of the above. The right answer is the "Good Taliban" are imposing Sharia in Army head quarters

Vivek Kumar wrote:Biggest question that everybody on BRF should ask is,

"Are these good taliban or bad taliban?"

Definitely good taliban. Bad taliban are banned in TSP.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 11 Oct 2009 06:00

Sanjay M wrote:Report: 8 hostages freed at Pakistani base

Pakistan launches hostages raid

Pakistani security forces have launched an operation to free hostages being held by militants in Rawalpindi, near the capital Islamabad.
Military spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas told the BBC the operation had been a success with most hostages freed but he could not give casualty figures.

"Most of the hostages are out and the security forces are in control of the building," said Gen Abbas.
He said the assault was carried out by special forces who had met resistance and were searching the building to ensure no further militants were inside.

seems it's over...for now

Sai.U · Post by **Sai.U** » 11 Oct 2009 06:25

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24949

RAWALPINDI: At the time of this report going into print, around 15 unarmed Army officials including some senior officers, continue to be held hostage by about five militants inside a single storeyed block at the GHQ, sources told The News.

The building, which also housed offices dealing with certain sensitive matters, has been surrounded by Army commandos but so far extreme restraint and caution is being exercised by the forces for fear of harm to the hostages.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 11 Oct 2009 06:28

If there were 15 hostages and 8 hostages were freed, does it mean that 7 hostages were killed?