India-China News and Discussion

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 06:21

Iran prefers China to India in developing Azadegan oilfields

India’s quest for energy security and its oil diplomacy efforts suffered a serious setback, with Iran not only opting for China for the development of the South Azadegan oilfield, but also trimming India’s share in the Phase-12 of the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf.

With India already trailing China in its quest for global hydrocarbon resources in major African nations, the recent setback has further added to the worries of the Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry, which is likely to take damage-control measures.

Not only this. China also ensured that Australian uranium will not go to India but to China. India's energy efforts are being systematically stymied by China.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 Oct 2009 06:31

SSridhar wrote:
With India already trailing China in its quest for global hydrocarbon resources in major African nations, the recent setback has further added to the worries of the Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry, which is likely to take damage-control measures.

Not only this. China also ensured that Australian uranium will not go to India but to China. India's energy efforts are being systematically stymied by China.

Is it only China strategy or is it China + unkil strategy

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 11 Oct 2009 06:45

Iran would prefer China over India for obvious reasons. China will stand by Iran in its stand off with US. India is seen as a country whose foreign policy is influenced by US.

China is also in P5 and a participant in the six party talks.

For more on Iranian perceptions and the motivations, look at the following link from IDSA.

http://www.idsa.in/reports/RTEngagingIran060809.html

Iranian Perspective about India-Iran Relations

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The IDSA delegation noted that Iranians gave adequate signals that though bilateral relations are normal, they cannot be termed as excellent. India should spell out its foreign policy aims and objectives towards Iran. For excellent relations the Iranians expect India to come out with a clear stand on Iran. It was pointed out that the Indian Prime Minister ignored Iran during his visit to Qatar.
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Cooperation in defence and security issues is insignificant. Most of the MoUs signed are not implemented. Iran wants to cooperate in high-technology areas with India. Though economic ties are continuing between the two countries, this does not reflect the real potential of both countries.
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If both countries can define a new mechanism of cooperation then relations can improve. It was suggested that bilateral relations can be taken from the normal to the strategic level. India is missing the bus while the Chinese are at the forefront.
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Iranian officials were of the view that the deadlock in international relations is because of the unilateral approach of one particular country, and that ‘Asian Integration’ was the way to solve these problems. ‘Collective regionalism’ could be a possibility. In fact, the formation of the ‘Asian and Regional Security Structure’ would help solve security issues and will help enhance cooperation in energy and transportation sectors, thus creating a favourable environment for regional economic cooperation.
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The IDSA delegation was informed that there is a need for more dialogue between the two countries. It was suggested that there should be two bilateral dialogues in a year to fill the communication gap between India and Iran and to evolve new mechanisms of cooperation to take bilateral relations to new levels.
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Iranians think that the West, particularly the US, is influencing India’s Iran policy. They are of the view that the Indian government does not follow an independent foreign policy. Most of the time it appears to be working at the behest of the US. This is even visible in private companies’ behviours. For instance, Tata and Reliance are not doing fairly enough in building the two countries’ economic relations.
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Four factors were identified for strengthening Indo-Iran cooperation – introduction of new ideas, focus on Asian identity, intention for future cooperation, and implementation of various agreements signed between the two countries.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 06:47

Acharya wrote:Is it only China strategy or is it China + unkil strategy

Indeed, it is both plus India's long-standing stupidity in much of our foreign relationship.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 09:42

China goes shopping - Dilip Hiro

Shows how PRC has spread its energy tentacles far and wide. More than that, India is implicitly denied access. Some of it is our own making, like in the case of Iran. The US not only prevented us access to Iranian oil&gas, but also promised to compensate that loss with a nuclear deal which has only strangulated us more. We lost on both counts.

hk_sharma · Post by **hk_sharma** » 11 Oct 2009 13:52

Pakistan and China: A Fraying Friendship?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 89,00.html

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 11 Oct 2009 17:54

RaviBg wrote:Coping with rising China - K. Subrahmanyam

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While doing all this, there is no need to indulge in jingoistic rhetoric. There can be firmness in dealing with the LoAC or other issues where there are attempts at exploiting unequal advantages in situations. India has arrived at a stage in international politics when it has to demonstrate maturity in playing the game of nations.
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A sensible article by KS. It of course, suits Chindu propaganda so it got published. Just as Brahma Chellaney is allowed to publish anti-US article but not his usual stuff.

Anyway, I think it is grossly unfair to allege that our Stalinists do not speak the truth as re China..

they just wait a few decades....

So now we understand that PRC has been a war mongering jingoistic state prepared to sacrifice 300 million Chinese for the sake of cultural superiority and that it invaded India taking advantage of US-Russia tensions. The Stalinist propaganda has been that Nehru/India were the culprit, PRC has always been a peace loving paradise and therefore the mass murderers eye-gougers and rapist goon traitors were right in supporting PRC against India and going underground.

Now we are told those days are different, PRC is now a peace loving paradise...have we not heard that before?

So let us wait another 30 years for Chindu to publish a story that PRC of 2009 was different, now it is as pure as morning snow.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 18:12

India deploys Brahmos along Ladakh. Report from Times Now channel.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 11 Oct 2009 18:14

Per TimeNow, India to deploy BrahMos in Ladakh.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 11 Oct 2009 18:18

I hope GOI does not throw the baby out with bath water...referring to decision to cancel Chinese language training by PRC plants. It should go ahead with supporting our folks learning Chinese language, it can always find Taiwanese, Malaysian and other Chinese to teach the lingo.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 11 Oct 2009 23:51

With Brahmos and the light tanks, India's posture is becoming offensive and not defensive. India is also raising two new mountain divisions. These are very welcome decisions and shows the resolve.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Oct 2009 00:14

^^ I'll take that with a pinch of salt. GOI must be having some specific inputs of deployments on the Chinese Occupied Tibetan side to be doing such bold deployments. With all the satellite imaging and remote sensing ability India has, they must have observed something and this would be a response. There's no precedence MMS and this GOI has displayed on aggressive deployment.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 12 Oct 2009 00:48

Only 12 of 73 China border roads are ready

Even as India upgrades airstrips in eastern Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh to strategically counter China’s massive build-up of military infrastructure along the border, here’s a grim reality check: Its road construction projects are still enmeshed in debilitating delays.

The latest status report holds that only 12 out of the 73 roads earmarked for construction along the unresolved 4,056-km Line of Actual Control with China have actually been fully completed till now, say sources.

Construction of the 73 all-weather roads, measuring a total of 3,808 km, was approved by the government well over three years ago in a belated move to match China’s scorching infrastructure development in the Tibetan Autonomous Region. Lack of mandatory environmental clearances, bureaucratic hurdles and delays in allocation of funds are, however, proving to be major roadblocks in completion of the roads.

‘‘The slow progress is a major concern. If more resources and faster clearances are not forthcoming, then the 2012 deadline for these roads will not be met. In India, other considerations often take priority over strategic ones,’’ said a senior officer.

‘‘Our troops often have to trek long distances to reach their border posts. Some of our rudimentary roads even stop 60 to 70-km short of LAC. Moreover, the closest rail link is around 100 km away. China, in contrast, has highways and metal roads coming right up to its claim lines,’’ said an officer.

China, which has built several air, road and rail links all along the LAC, can in fact mobilise upwards of two divisions (30,000 soldiers) at their ‘‘launch pads’’ in three weeks now compared to the three-four months it would have taken just a few years ago. accurate?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Oct 2009 01:54

With Brahmos and the light tanks, India's posture is becoming offensive and not defensive.

What really underscores it is the massive range and firepower of the Sukhois now being inducted to the border ares. These are definitely not point defense fighters and clearly signal a commitment and force projection.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 12 Oct 2009 04:58

Trend of China-India friendship irreversible: Zhang Yan, Chinese Ambassador
From Chindu

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 12 Oct 2009 05:55

nithish wrote:Only 12 of 73 China border roads are ready

Even as India upgrades airstrips in eastern Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh to strategically counter China’s massive build-up of military infrastructure along the border, here’s a grim reality check: Its road construction projects are still enmeshed in debilitating delays.

The latest status report holds that only 12 out of the 73 roads earmarked for construction along the unresolved 4,056-km Line of Actual Control with China have actually been fully completed till now, say sources.

Construction of the 73 all-weather roads, measuring a total of 3,808 km, was approved by the government well over three years ago in a belated move to match China’s scorching infrastructure development in the Tibetan Autonomous Region. Lack of mandatory environmental clearances, bureaucratic hurdles and delays in allocation of funds are, however, proving to be major roadblocks in completion of the roads.

‘‘The slow progress is a major concern. If more resources and faster clearances are not forthcoming, then the 2012 deadline for these roads will not be met. In India, other considerations often take priority over strategic ones,’’ said a senior officer.

‘‘Our troops often have to trek long distances to reach their border posts. Some of our rudimentary roads even stop 60 to 70-km short of LAC. Moreover, the closest rail link is around 100 km away. China, in contrast, has highways and metal roads coming right up to its claim lines,’’ said an officer.

China, which has built several air, road and rail links all along the LAC, can in fact mobilise upwards of two divisions (30,000 soldiers) at their ‘‘launch pads’’ in three weeks now compared to the three-four months it would have taken just a few years ago. accurate?

All the officials responsible for dereliction of their duty should be nailed to wooden crosses along the proposed roads.
Just like the Romans used to crucify their opponents and let their bodies rot on the crosses, on roads leading to Rome.
If this approach is used, I will bet all the responsible officials would be physically working along the work crews
and all the roads would be built on time.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 12 Oct 2009 07:53

Border moves:

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 12 Oct 2009 11:44

Eye on China, Army Chief on Myanmar Visit

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Oct 2009 12:02

Re. Chindu article by the PRC ambassador...

He is saying the exact same things Chindu 'journalists' say.
Wonder if Chindu is paying for this article, or donating editorial space to PRC? Or is it all service rendered FOC for the 'cause'..

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 12 Oct 2009 12:05

Boycott Chindu and Gmail.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Oct 2009 12:47

Paul wrote:Boycott Chindu and Gmail.

You have to keep enemies (of the state) closer than friends...read online, never pay a cent to buy...that's the trick.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Oct 2009 15:48

The Chinese ambassador has displayed his country's insecurity by his pathetic piece in the CHindu.To me it smacked of fright,that India would wake up ,or has woken up to the sinister plans of the dragon and take measures to combat the insidious plans of the PRC.He is desperately trying to convince,nay ram down the throats of sceptical Indians, that Sino-Indian relations are going to be one great love affair,where blushing bride India hands over the whole of Indian territory to China as dowry! At least that's what will happen if Quis-Ling N.Ram has anything to say in the MEA (Ministry of Eunuchs and Appeasers).

Yes China is on the move,like Ben Johnson on steroids,both economically and militarily.While one wishes the people of the PRC the very best of luck in getting rich and alleviating poverty in their land,one wishes a billion plagues and boils on the backsides of their vainglorious leadership,political and military,who are brazenly trying to nibble away at Indian territory,foment insurrection and revolution in our border states ,resorting to ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang and above all arming our mortal enemy Pak with nuclear weapons and missile systems.This is not the act of a friend.Therefore,may the leadership of the PRC live in the most extreme and exciting times of their lives.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 12 Oct 2009 19:31

India should pay attention to exporting Indian culture, spirituality and philosophy to China (while at the same time building up military capability to counter any Chinese threats).

China @ 60: Dragon learns Hindi

Many Chinese students at Peking University have adopted Indian names - like Sunil, Vijay and Priyanka - because they are learning Hindi language.

Even their teacher Wang Jing calls herself Chetna and they all feel that it is important to feel like an Indian to learn Hindi

Mainland Gandhigiri

The young Chinese beauty queen sat at the dimly-lit Buddhist restaurant in Beijing, chatting about her trip to New York. Then she uttered a word you'd last expect to hear from the woman who last year wore the crown of Miss Jiangsu. “Ahimsa”.

Zheng Yan (25) is an unlikely Gandhian — one of a growing number of Chinese followers of the Indian nonviolence icon — in a country where Bollywood and the border dispute seem to be the only talking points about India. Zheng goes by the name Michelle and works as a project manager in an American company in southern Nanjing, a former capital of China and the capital of Jiangsu province.

All Chinese professionals and students have international names but Zheng started calling herself Shanti last year. She avoids alcohol, meat and ‘loud bars’, and meets with 30 Chinese professionals regularly in Nanjing to discuss the relevance of Mahatma Gandhi in their changing lives. Many Chinese, brought up on an officially atheist tradition, are turning to yoga and best- selling self-help books for spiritual guidance in an increasingly materialistic nation with a booming economy.

"We are modern Chinese who believe in simplicity, vegetarianism and ahimsa, (non-violence),'' Shanti told the Hindustan Times.

It is interesting to see the Chinese taking up other names (Christian names in the US, Indian names when learning Hindi etc). Indians (except for a few sellouts) don't usually take up foreign names. A cultural difference, I guess.

Learning Hindi for the purpose of doing business with India seems odd (uninformed?) though.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 13 Oct 2009 12:15

China protests PM's visit to Arunachal

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious and just concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,'' the statement said."

Will someone in the govt please stand up and atleast respond strongly?

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 13 Oct 2009 12:42

Tamang wrote:China protests PM's visit to Arunachal

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious and just concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,'' the statement said."
Will someone in the govt please stand up and at least respond strongly?

What do we need to respond for , every time TSP brings up Kashmir or Chinks do the same with Arunachal , the babus would do well to completely ignore such protests , because we are secure in the knowledge that these territories are a part of the union of India and every time a dog barks we need not bark back.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2009 13:27

old arab saying - the caravan passes while dogs bark.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Oct 2009 15:30

...and the proverbial "camel" has not only got its nose inside the tent,but is shi**ing all over the owner demanding that he leave!

AS far as Iranian-Indo relations are concerned,if we do not clinch the pipeline deal with Iran,it is going to be China which wins by default.It appears that with the good doctor in charge,enamoured of "western medicine",India is going to score another infamous own goal with Iran,where we not only lose the chance of O&G exploration,but allowing China to cement its route into the Gulf and firm up its presence in the region right on our western doorstep,through the pipeline.

If we sign on,and we must do it before MMS visits the US,it will put Pak under intense pressure to cooperate with India,also giving Pak a lifeline outside US influence.It might very well reduce Indo-Pak tensions and change the mind of some of the uniformed tribe who run the country.Obama will be much pi**ed off,but what can he do? Indian must put its interests first.If we do not sign and then later on Irajn and the west strike adeal on Iran's nuclear ambitions,good doctor will be left sucking his thumb.

PS:Meanwhile se ehow China funds "massacre juntas" and thumbs its nose at the democracies of the world.

China tightens grip on Africa with $4.4bn lifeline for Guinea junta

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 871943.ece

While the rest of the world recoiled in horror at recent events in Guinea, where at least 150 pro-democracy supporters were killed and dozens of women publicly raped by government soldiers, China has sensed an opportunity to steal another march on Western competitors in Africa.

China is preparing to throw the junta in Guinea a lifeline in the form of a multibillion-pound oil and mineral deal, financed largely by soft loans. Such policies have already served China well with rogue and discredited regimes from Angola to Sudan. The move comes as the European Union, spurred on by France, the former colonial power, and the African Union are considering sanctions against Guinea if its young military leader, Captain Moussa Dadis Camara, continues to renege on a deal to stand down in favour of free elections.

The massacre occurred after 50,000 demonstrators took to the streets when Captain Camara — who seized power in December after the death of the long-time dictator Lansana Conte — announced that he would stand in the poll. Thousands stayed at home yesterday and riot police patrolled empty streets as the opposition called two days of mourning for the dead.

Beijing, meanwhile, was reported to be close to agreeing a deal, financed by its China International Fund, of about £4.4 billion covering a range of projects. Guinea, the world’s largest exporter of bauxite, also has huge deposits of uranium, iron ore, diamonds and a host of other minerals. It is also believed to have significant off-shore oil reserves.

GRAPHIC: China in Africa
China’s policy of not linking trade, aid and investment to political reform or human rights issues has paid huge dividends so far. In less than a decade it has created a footprint across the entire continent and secured a willing provider of much needed raw materials to power its economic growth.

There is now barely a country on the continent that does not have a sizeable Chinese presence. Copper-rich Zambia and the Congolese province of Katanga now boast the fastest-growing Chinatowns in the world. Sudan, for years out of bounds to Western companies because of its links to terrorism, now pumps 600,000 barrels of oil a day from its Red Sea port into Chinese ships. In return it received weapons that it used against rebellious black Africans in Darfur.

In Angola the Chinese have built roads, de-mined rural areas, upgraded ports and rehabilitated railways. In the Ethiopian and Kenyan capitals of Addis Ababa and Nairobi they are heavily involved in new construction projects.

At the weekend President Kagame of Rwanda, whose Government has frequently been accused of supporting atrocities in neighbouring Congo, praised Chinese investment for helping Africa to develop. “The Chinese bring what Africa needs: investment and money for governments and companies,” he told the German Handelsblatt newspaper in an interview. “I would prefer the Western world to invest in Africa rather than hand out development aid.”

Annual trade between China and Africa is now put at £62 billion, more than four times the £15 billion that it reached in 2004. China has also written off billions of dollars of bad African debt and used its “war chest” of foreign currency reserves to cement new alliances and finance cut-rate loans and commercial lines of credit.

There is only one condition: any money provided must be used to pay Chinese companies and buy Chinese goods that flood the continent’s bustling street markets. Stalls now overflow with cheap plastic sandals, underwear, artificial flowers and cut-price motorbikes and tools.

Ordinary Africans are far less enthusiastic than the governing elites. Rights activists accuse the Chinese of cutting corners, exploiting corrupt local officials and ignoring health, safety and environmental concerns.

A recent report by the Oxford-based group Rights and Accountability in Development highlighted that 90 per cent of the output of Congo’s mineral-rich Katanga province now went to China. However, it said, Congolese workers accused them of flouting local laws, poor pay, atrocious safety records and no welfare or social development policies.

For years Guinea has been one of the most sinister regimes in West Africa. In recent years it has become a conduit for drug smuggling from Latin America to Western Europe, much of it believed to be organised by the young army officers now so reluctant to give up power.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 13 Oct 2009 15:54

^^ Philip, good analysis. If India has to keep Chinese out of Indian Ocean influence, it has to help democracy in Pakistan by reducing both US and Chinese influence. I think we can have two birds shot with single bullet.

James B · Post by **James B** » 13 Oct 2009 16:40

Tamang wrote:China protests PM's visit to Arunachal

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious and just concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations,'' the statement said."
Will someone in the govt please stand up and atleast respond strongly?

India shows the finger.

India rejects China's objections on PM's Arunachal visit

India on Tuesday rejected Chinese objections to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, asserting the state is an integral part of the country.

Arunachal Pradesh is inalienable part of India and China is aware of this, External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Oct 2009 16:51

Annual trade between China and Africa is now put at £62 billion,

I just checked up but India-Africa trade is 70 Billion USD. So India is quietly ahead of China. No wonder China needs to make fake 'Made in India' medicines.

http://www.africa-business.com/features ... frica.html

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 13 Oct 2009 19:35

It would be interesting to see how the Stalinist mass murderers/rapist goons and thier yellow media puppets try and spin this latest PRC protest. PRC has given them, more than India, a huge slap in the face by organising this latest protest when they are doing their best to pretend that all is well with Indo-Chini Bhai Bhai stuff and by getting their paymasters to write propaganda.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Oct 2009 19:38

^^ harbans, 62 bn euros still just about manages to beat 70 bn USD. No?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Oct 2009 19:47

Hari ji, thanks for pointing. Indeed it is. However not too far behind really.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 13 Oct 2009 19:48

Is tat video of guy singing hindi song from taiwan or PRC?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Oct 2009 20:00

Analysing reasons behind 1962 war with China necessary: Natwar

Former External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh on Tuesday regretted that India has not yet comprehensively analysed the reasons behind the 1962 war with China, saying such an exercise was "really necessary."
Speaking at a discussion on his recent book 'My China Years -- 1956-88, he touched upon various phases of Sino-India relationship in the last 60 years and felt things would have been different had Rajiv Gandhi won the 1989 elections.

"Why 1962 happened. No serious analysis of it took place on our side," Singh said indirectly criticising Government's secretive policy in revealing details of the war.

About the war with China, he said "Mao-tse Tung decided to teach India a lesson after they felt that we were encroaching on their land."

India missed an opportunity to resolve the issues with China in 1960 as the country "did not understand the power game", the former minister said, without elaborating on his observation.

On the border dispute, he said Tawang did not figure in the map of India in 1953.

kshirin · Post by **kshirin** » 13 Oct 2009 20:25

Philip wrote:...AS far as Iranian-Indo relations are concerned,if we do not clinch the pipeline deal with Iran,it is going to be China which wins by default.It appears that with the good doctor in charge,enamoured of "western medicine",India is going to score another infamous own goal with Iran,where we not only lose the chance of O&G exploration,but allowing China to cement its route into the Gulf and firm up its presence in the region right on our western doorstep,through the pipeline.

If we sign on,and we must do it before MMS visits the US,it will put Pak under intense pressure to cooperate with India,also giving Pak a lifeline outside US influence.It might very well reduce Indo-Pak tensions and change the mind of some of the uniformed tribe who run the country.Obama will be much pi**ed off,but what can he do? Indian must put its interests first.If we do not sign and then later on Irajn and the west strike adeal on Iran's nuclear ambitions,good doctor will be left sucking his thumb.

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Yes, we should find a way to explain our compulsions to our friends and move on. China is encircling us from every side, and soon we will have no room for manoevre. This is the time we should explore - not just for the energy but also for access to C Asia. Will try to post an alarming artice if I find it but which I may very well have downloaded from BR only.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 13 Oct 2009 21:15

Krishna raises pitch after China tweaks earlier statement on Arunachal

This is getting more and more disturbing. From earlier occasions when they would just "be disappointed and protest" in Beijing, to now when they're actually responding to Indian mandatory refusals in a "dont mess with us or ..." message....
History has shown that China always ratchets up tension in a very short span of time and then starts the "skirmishes".

Also the fact that China chose to delay the protest for 4 days after the PM's visit to AP, (used to be immediate earlier) and finally did it yesterday - when the Pak PM landed in Beijing, is noteworthy. Lets not forget that the next war would be more likely on both borders simultaneously ..more so if China starts it.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Oct 2009 21:38

The new clear detergent won't be able to prevent another war, sadly. Our NFU further ties our hands up regarding the use of tactical or battlefield nukes.

I hope GOI has conveyed to the powers that matter that NFU is only confined to the strategic weapons (the big ones) and not to the tactical ones. With the recent new clear yield controversies, one has to wonder what size BIG means for our strategic weapons anyway - if 20kt is a city killer then 2 kt and below can be tactical nukes, probably.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 13 Oct 2009 22:45

Hari Seldon wrote:^^ harbans, 62 bn euros still just about manages to beat 70 bn USD. No?

Saar it is 62 Billion of your favourite currency, ie more than 100 billion $. The India- Africa total trade figures dont seem to be very accurate though.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 14 Oct 2009 09:53

Interesting discussion on AL Jazeera on India-China situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fV_P0G ... rofilepage

A few observations;

1) The Indian guy Mohan Guruswamy came across as a well balanced guy.
2) The Western (Canadian) guy said that India had defeated China in the Ladakh sector in 62 and had an upper hand in 67.