Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2009 06:47

Paul wrote:Atlantic Council: Pakistan report

Authored by Chuck Hagel/John Kerry

Disappointing India and Paaakistaaaan equal equal hackeneyed gibberish. Disappointing because Chuck Hagel usually comes across as a smart erudite guy.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 06:58

csharma wrote:If there were 15 hostages and 8 hostages were freed, does it mean that 7 hostages were killed?

No, that means 7 were "shaheed" for the country.

I have a bigger question.

When Pakistan is always claiming that their nukes are safe from Taliban raids, but yet now the same Taliban have successfully attacked the Pakistan central GHQ in the military garrison town of Rawalpindi, which is the most secure and well-protected place in Pakistan -- then how the hell can anyone believe their govt's claims that their nukes are secure????

No really -- this is something that US planners need to be thinking.

And as far as my psy-ops contribution is concerned, I am certainly going around to pertinent websites and asking this very question. I feel that others should ask it as well.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 07:11

ISI making all-out efforts to revive terrorism in the Punjab: DGP

Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency is making all-out efforts to revive terrorism in Punjab [ Images ] by providing funds to radical groups, state Director General of Police Paramdeep Singh said in Jalandhar [ Images ] on Saturday.

He said ultra groups like Babbar Khalsa International were being provided with funds through a leading money transfer agency and hawala operations.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 07:14

csharma wrote:If there were 15 hostages and 8 hostages were freed, does it mean that 7 hostages were killed?

It is now 25 hostages freed & three killed

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 11 Oct 2009 07:28

Kerry-Lugar and the critics

Hit and run

Sunday, October 11, 2009
Shakir Husain

It's Bakra Eid and your neighbour sends you some meat from their goat which they have just slaughtered. You open the door and take the bloody tray. But then you send it right back saying that you didn't like the cut which was sent over and that the tray was also not acceptable, and the neighbours should have put a better cloth to cover the meat. If you think this is bizarre then think again. This is exactly the discourse (if you can call it that) which is happening all over Pakistan today. If you think it's ridiculous then think again because this is the stuff of late night television where political "analysts" are saying exactly this. If you think its rude then this is the stuff which Opposition politicians are using to hammer the government from all sides without mentioning that they loved Uncle Sam's dollars when they were in power. Welcome to the Bakra Mandi where "analysis" occurs without even reading the content of this bill which is supposed to "erode" Pakistan's sovereignty.

Let's put some facts down first. The Kerry-Lugar Bill is a piece of legislation which has been introduced in Congress so that elected members of the United States legislature can debate it, make amendments if necessary, and then pass it onto the president of the United States for his signature so that it can become actual legislation. President Obama's strategy for Pakistan is to engage with the people of Pakistan and ensure that money meant for Pakistanis is actually spent on them, and the infrastructure they need. This is a break from previous US governments who have engaged with the Pakistani military and establishment rather than the 180 million people of Pakistan. "Analysts" and critics are weighing in on the bill without even having read the text of it. One of the criticisms of the KL Bill is that it erodes the sovereignty of the Pakistani state. How? The bill stipulates that Pakistani state needs to fight the Taliban and not give them sanctuary. The brave Pakistani armed forces are already doing this and civilian leadership; both in government and the opposition (with the exception of Nawaz Sharif) have openly condemned the Taliban and their vision for Pakistan. The KL Bill states that the Pakistani military will be the guardians of the borders and guard the people of Pakistan from internal and external threats.

Again this is something which is part of the Pakistani constitution and a clause meant to ensure that democratic governments are not derailed by military adventurers as has been the case in the past. All political parties are more or less in agreement on this clause, and even the military has recently publically stated that it has no intentions of getting involved in civilian affairs. The KL Bill states that we Pakistanis will never again allow the proliferation of nuclear weapons as we did under our very own Dr A Q Khan aka Dr Strangelove. I think all Pakistanis agree that selling state nuclear secrets for personal gain is not a good thing and there is no dispute on this account either – ghairatmand Pakistanis agree that theft, lying, and scamming is not so ghairatmand at all.

The bill also has a clause which states that Pakistan will not harbour, train, or otherwise let terrorist groups use its territory to launch attacks in or out of the country. The Pakistani state has denied this allegation and has taken action against the identified camps with huge losses in terms of military and civilian personnel in order for this cleansing to happen. In fact the Pakistani people, state, and the establishment all agree that terrorist training facilities on their soil is not a good idea. We have lost more civilians in suicide attacks and military operations than any other country has to date; and the whole "strategic depth" argument has lost the public opinion it might have once had. So there's nothing really wrong with this one either. So where exactly is the problem? When debating the Kerry-Lugar Bill why are our anchors, analysts, and politicians not willing to talk about the facts rather than invoke jingoistic conspiracy theories? This is not a piece of Pakistani legislation; rather an American legislation which allows for a package to help Pakistani people who have been under-served by successive governments. If you don't like it, don't accept it. No one is forcing the money on you. If you don't like the fact that the money will not be spent through the government, then don't take the cash. The first and foremost duty of any government is to ensure that the people of the country are taken care of. If the country does not have the money to provide basic services for its people and someone is willing to give you that cash then it is almost suicidal not to take it.

The nay-sayers fall into distinct categories. The Opposition are particularly amusing. The PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif flew to Washington after Kargil to get Bill Clinton to intervene. We all know how that ended up for him. The Sharifs still take diktat from the Saudi king who brokered the "deal" on their behalf. The Jamaat was fine with US money, material, and training being imparted to the Mujahideen when they were fighting the Soviets and when their spiritual father General Ziaul-Haq was propped up by US aid, but now all of a sudden they have moral qualms about US Aid. The PML-Q are the most opportunistic of the lot after having lived off US aid for almost a decade which was given to their spiritual father, General Pervez Musharraf. This was a time when Pakistani sovereignty was seriously violated with US bases and personnel were based on Pakistani soil. If someone is to be accused by the establishment of confirming American fears about aid to Pakistan, then it should be Pervez Musharraf who admitted to misusing US funds to Pakistan while he was president.

The establishment doesn't like the fact that they can't directly play with the 1.5 billion dollars which is being committed. The army doesn't like several clauses in the KL Bill. The Opposition doesn't like the fact that they aren't part of the party which is going to come in; while the government doesn't like the fact that they won't be able to use the funds to finance their joyrides and fancy Range Rovers with green plates on them. In all of this no one has bothered to ask the average Pakistani whether he/she would like to see schools and hospitals built, access to clean drinking water, and better food security for themselves and future generations no matter where the money is coming from. The conditionalities make no direct impact on their lives but the funds actually can.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 07:33

Pindi atack, a bit to shatter Army's Confidence
Excerpts

But the attack on the GHQ, as one senior Pakistani journalist observed, has a symbolism as powerful as the attack on the Twin Towers in the U.S. The GHQ, located in Rawalpindi, is the most important power-centre in Pakistan, much more so than any other civilian institution.

It is here that the all powerful Army chief and other senior Army officials have their offices. It is at the GHQ that Pakistan’s most important decisions are taken and conveyed to the civilian leadership, when there is one

The Awami National Party, which ruled the North-West Frontier Province, however, warned that an operation in the tribal areas was no longer sufficient.

Mian Ifthikar, NWFP Information Minister, warned that militancy and terrorism could not be controlled unless the Army closed down the “nurseries” of the militants in the Punjab province. At a press conference earlier on Saturday, he mentioned Muridke, where the Jamat-ud-dawa, a front of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, has its headquarters, as one such place.{Fantastic. The minister is actually implicating the Army in JuD's nurseries}

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 11 Oct 2009 07:39

Paul wrote:Atlantic Council: Pakistan report

Authored by Chuck Hagel/John Kerry

Interesting set of characters brought together to justify increased funding for terrorism. And I suppose the name 'Atlantic Council' implies keeping Pakistan around is a key Atlanticist goal.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 08:37

Madrassa Math

He said that five of the 6 to 7 terrorists who attacked the headquarters were killed in retaliatory fire of the security forces. “Five terrorists, one of whom was a suicide bomber, were killed in the ensuing gunbattle. Three to four accomplices of the terrorists, however, managed to cross over the grassy grounds unnoticed during the shootout,” Gen Abbas said.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Oct 2009 08:40

^^^
Looks like TSP knows diddly squat about attackers. ISI has some serious inter office communication issues.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Oct 2009 08:59

^^^
Either that or they know entirely too well and have no idea what information they can give out without completely implicating themselves. So they're blowing as hard as they can with obfuscations, including Madrassa math.

I mean, odd isn't it that the fellows made straight for the "military intelligence building" to play out the "hostage" drama? If they'd gone to a catering corps building or bean-counting department someone might have actually shot at them. The ISI building must be as familiar to the "hostage takers" as the campus of one's alma mater... especially if these guys, as Sridhar garu tells us, are HuA alumni (I wonder where Omar Saeed Sheikh is tonight?)

For all we know, even as this "hostage" line was fed to the media, maybe there was nothing more going on than that an extra pot of biryani was ordered from the mess to feed 3-4 last-minute honoured mehmaans.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 09:03

Attacking Army's Centre of Gravity

The army has 1 divisional headquarters, one brigade and 11 infantry battalions deployed to South Waziristan. This number is excluding 7 wings of Frontier Corps in the area and deployments in North Waziristan.

1 Division = 9000 soldiers
1 Brigade = 3000 soldiers
11 Infantry Battalions = 11000 soldiers
7 wings of FC = 14000 soldiers

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Oct 2009 09:09

SSridhar saar I have a n00b question....would it matter if TSPA claims the dead terrorists are Pakjabi??

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 09:12

Rudradev wrote:^^^
Either that or they know entirely too well and have no idea what information they can give out without completely implicating themselves.

There is a very controlled leak of information. First they ordered GEO not to telecast anything. They then said everything was under control by noon time and then released some more info late in the evening about hostage situation. In the morning they suddenly said all was over and 25 hostages released. Their numbers about the gang that attacked are also varying with time and doesn't add up. First they said that 4 came and all were killed. But, even as I was watching, I heard gun shots and one explosion in the background. At that time, the reporters were asked to leave and we didn't have any coverage after that. Then, they said two escaped and were being combed for. Then, later the number of 'escaped' attackers became five. All the nine heavily armed terrorists could not have come in that small Suzuki van. They continue to talk about 4 killed terrorists. What happened to the five who were holding hostages then? Why should they peacefully release the hostages if they were cornered by the SSG ? Were these five killed or captured ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 09:21

More confusing info

The commando raid at GHQ Building, where the five terrorists taking hostage of 30 security men had holed up, was announced formally completed with the last injured terrorist Aqeel’s arrest, taking the total terrorists killed to five {Four were killed yesterday. That means one was killed today out of the five holding hostages. One injured terrorist was arrested. What about the other three then ?} , loss of the lives of two commandos and three hostages, while thirty hostages freed in the process, said the Army spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas here this morning.

DAWN gives a different version

Three captives and four hostage-takers were killed, while one militant was believed to be on the run.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 11 Oct 2009 09:24

My usual paki media watering hole is down and so I am blacked out on the latest and greatest.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 11 Oct 2009 09:29

Hostage drama ends at Pakistan army HQ, 25 freed

Commandos on Sunday stormed a building near Pakistan’s army General Headquarters, where a group of terrorists were holed up, freeing 25 hostages and killing four terrorists, the Chief Military Spokesperson said.

Nearly 20 hours after the terrorists launched an attack on the army's General Headquarters in Rawalpindi and took several security personnel hostages, the commandos launched an operation to eliminate the attackers.

Military Spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said the commandos have freed 25 hostages and killed four terrorists, including some who were wearing suicide jackets.

He said three of the hostages also died during the operation.

Troops were conducting mopping up operations to check the presence of other terrorists in the area

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Oct 2009 09:30

Pak Army interrogation video: (WARNING: GRAPHIC!)

I'd hate to see what would have happened if he was a kaffir.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 11 Oct 2009 09:44

one way to look at Pak situation (though I myself don't subscribe to this view because this rests on assumption that Pak has independent policy outside of what US dictates - just not possible IMO):

a) India says Pak MUST give up terrorism as state policy
b) US incentivizes Pak to make amends to terror policy with monitoring clauses
c) Kiyani responds: "Kiyani reiterated that Pakistan is a sovereign state and has all the rights to analyse and respond to the threat in accordance with her own national" My take on this is that Kiyani is basically saying that Pak will keep the terrorism as state policy as it is in their national interest.

It makes every sense now for Pakistan to be given back in its preferred way in addition to our usual way. IF some forces (per this view: US) is indeed behind this attack, then US is conveying to Pak that you will get more of these if you don't agree.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2009 09:50

er - is it possible that the Pindi HQ attackers were in army uniform because they were army men?

But this is a real ROTFL story for me and I would love to make a suitable YouTube video story out of it.

I mean - its the goddam Army HQ and 9 men entered and held the place for nearly 24 hours. BENIS where are you?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2009 09:53

Couple of hundred millons $ yearly investment in PAk-Pak can teach Kiyani, Gilani combo good lesson. How long can they keep " sovereign independent terrorism" policy , not that long. Either way , with or without US KL act , Pakis will be Ashfaqued. Right now they have more enemies than they can handle.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Oct 2009 09:53

loss of the lives of two commandos and three hostages, while thirty hostages freed in the process,

So, the super duper SSG also looses two of its men trying to get at just one freedom fighter?

Btw, i disagree that the attack on GHQ means nothing.....when India was attacked (repeatedly last year), we were saying that for every strike here, GHQ or ISI HQ should feel the heat( even if symbolic). Why should we then dismiss such a massive attack on GHQ twice in two years as "nothing special"?

The expendable officers whom we talked about might have been involved in anti-Indian ops for all we know..all in all, im not disappointed though a IED mubarak inside would have been the icing on the cake..

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Oct 2009 10:03

Snap ties with Pakistan: BJP

Now they have to say something....aajkal no news==good news from the BJP.

Anyways, snapping any back-channel BS is a good thing, IMHO. Downgrading current diplomatic ties (reduce their embassy staff here and ours there), dumping the samjhota and other people-to-people exchange tamasha etc is not exactly a bad idea, IMHO.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 10:20

how many mid level officers were killed in this episode ? even if its a nautanki , should send a
chill up most mid level officer spines knowing they will be ruthlessly used as pawns in the game
played by the big boys.

about the video - vintage PA, terrorising and beating up old men with belts.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 10:24

Interview with Khalid Aziz, former Chief Secretary of NWFP

Question: We all know how much Musharraf hated the bureaucracy. Do you think he brought in local government system to cut the bureaucracy to its size?

Khalid Aziz: I think you have to look at Musharraf’s psychology. He was not the brightest in his family. His elder brother Javed, who was my class fellow, was much brighter.. . . I don’t think Musharraf had a balanced personality, may be better parenting could have saved Pakistan a lot of pain caused by his vindictive pettiness.

Another relevant point

Question: How best can we use tribal dynamics against international terrorism in the tribal areas?

Khalid Aziz: Tribal dynamics are now much weaker. The tribal system of balances has been fractured; the system is almost dead now. What are its driving agents? The main drivers of the insurgency are poverty and unemployment; with mass unemployment and the democratisation of violence, it is no longer possible to ignore the link of poverty with misgovernance.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2009 10:32

SSridhar wrote:Interview with Khalid Aziz, former Chief Secretary of NWFP
Khalid Aziz: Tribal dynamics are now much weaker. The tribal system of balances has been fractured; the system is almost dead now. What are its driving agents? The main drivers of the insurgency are poverty and unemployment; with mass unemployment and the democratisation of violence, it is no longer possible to ignore the link of poverty with misgovernance.

Also of note: "democratization of violence"

Like in one man one vote, you have one man one gun. Where is Rahul Mehta?

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 11 Oct 2009 10:40

For any country it would have been shameful that 25 army men allowed themselves to be hostages inside their own GHQ. Not Pakis, b'cos they acted as per their training, i.e., surrender at first opportunity.

btw, my opinion is that it is not a planned event.
The Paki Army is all about H&D. They wouldn't have planned an attack on their GHQ.
This is a H&D shattering event for Pakis. Y'day on NewX channel, there was a abdul stating 'if army is busy defending themselves, who will defend the common man'...

but then again, Pakis are known to be supreme tacticians

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 11 Oct 2009 10:45

I'm impressed by Indian media.
They are busy showing the new 7 series BMW, 'Couch with Koel' , 'maharastra election' and of course the 'market and sensex analysis'.
Might be causing a lot of heart burn to Pakis who watch Indian channels.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 11 Oct 2009 10:50

So it was 10 hostages y'day.
15 2 hours later
25 in the morning
now, headline news reporting 42 hostages

Of course, the idea is that the brave SSG did a great operation, but the clowns don't explain how did 42 Paki army men let themselves be held hostages. Welcome to Paki stage play

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Oct 2009 10:55

X Posted.

Pakistan continues to wield the stick for which our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh in a serious lapse of judgment donated the spikes with which to stud the stick at Sharm El Sheikh:

India supporting Baloch insurgents: FC IG

*Maj Gen Salim Nawaz says proof of Indian involvement has been provided

*Taliban leaders not in Quetta

QUETTA: India and Afghanistan are supporting an insurgency in Balochistan, trying to bolster the leadership of separatists fighting the government, chief of the Frontier Corps (FC) paramilitary force in Balochistan said on Saturday.

“A lot of evidence of Indian involvement through Afghanistan is there, supporting the separatist movement,” Major General Salim Nawaz, inspector general of the FC in Balochistan, said.

General Nawaz said the separatists were not very strong as they did not have enough foot soldiers or a proper command-and-control structure.

“The foreign element, especially the element there in Afghanistan, is trying hard to create more leadership,” he said.

Proof: The FC chief said proof of Indian involvement had been provided. “The proof has been given at various levels ... Photographs have been provided,” he said, but did not elaborate. ………………

Daily Times

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 11 Oct 2009 12:07

milindc wrote: Of course, the idea is that the brave SSG did a great operation, but the clowns don't explain how did 42 Paki army men let themselves be held hostages. Welcome to Paki stage play

Not too long ago (around Manawan "incident"), some were gloating that while it took India days to flush out the terrorists, the great SSG cleared Manawan in 7 hours.. forget that the two are not even close.

Well.. even Rawalpindi is miles from the Mumbai attack, but to see 42 trained officers surrender for 24 hours should blow up any pretense of H&D. Or maybe its all ok because Major Abbas called it a "highly successful" operation.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 11 Oct 2009 12:47

Satya_anveshi wrote:one way to look at Pak situation (though I myself don't subscribe to this view because this rests on assumption that Pak has independent policy outside of what US dictates - just not possible IMO):

a) India says Pak MUST give up terrorism as state policy
b) US incentivizes Pak to make amends to terror policy with monitoring clauses
c) Kiyani responds: "Kiyani reiterated that Pakistan is a sovereign state and has all the rights to analyse and respond to the threat in accordance with her own national" My take on this is that Kiyani is basically saying that Pak will keep the terrorism as state policy as it is in their national interest.

It makes every sense now for Pakistan to be given back in its preferred way in addition to our usual way. IF some forces (per this view: US) is indeed behind this attack, then US is conveying to Pak that you will get more of these if you don't agree.

This is the start of the end-game in Pakistan. Finally, the main perpetrator, financier, instigator, and source of terrorism (i.e the Pak Army) has been targeted by the very terrorists they once controlled and nurtured. Once the Generals in Pakistan and their families start feeling personally threatened by such attacks, rest assured, they will have deep soul searching second thoughts on their use of terrorism as a state policy.

It all started when USSR first invaded Afghanistan and USA with the help of Saudi's decided to shower money into Pakistan to create and fund religious extremist for fighting the soviet troops. No doubt, Pakistan used much of that money and attention against India. But after this attack, there is no doubt that the tables have been turned. US has had some limited success in forcing Pakistani establishment to deal with terrorists that the establishment once sponsored and controlled and hence these terrorists now train their guns against the establishment as an act of defiance. Nature has a way of balancing things out, and Pakistani Army's time has come.

It took over 2 decades and billions of dollars to create this menace and it is probably going to take another 2 decades and billions more to get rid of this menace again. At the end we will have a Pakistan that is still popularly anti-India, but without the terrorist factor.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2009 12:55

Dhiman wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:one way to look at Pak situation (though I myself don't subscribe to this view because this rests on assumption that Pak has independent policy outside of what US dictates - just not possible IMO):

a) India says Pak MUST give up terrorism as state policy
b) US incentivizes Pak to make amends to terror policy with monitoring clauses
c) Kiyani responds: "Kiyani reiterated that Pakistan is a sovereign state and has all the rights to analyse and respond to the threat in accordance with her own national" My take on this is that Kiyani is basically saying that Pak will keep the terrorism as state policy as it is in their national interest.

It makes every sense now for Pakistan to be given back in its preferred way in addition to our usual way. IF some forces (per this view: US) is indeed behind this attack, then US is conveying to Pak that you will get more of these if you don't agree.
This is the start of the end-game in Pakistan. Finally, the main perpetrator, financier, instigator, and source of terrorism (i.e the Pak Army) has been targeted by the very terrorists they once controlled and nurtured. Once the Generals in Pakistan and their families start feeling personally threatened by such attacks, rest assured, they will have deep soul searching second thoughts on their use of terrorism as a state policy.

US has had some limited success in forcing Pakistani establishment to deal with terrorists that the establishment once sponsored and controlled and hence these terrorists now train their guns against the establishment. Nature has a way of balancing things out, and Pakistani Army's time has come.

No I doubt it. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, this was not such a large scale attack that would have forced TSPA to re-think their Jihadi strategy to achieve their objectives. Like many have said, expect a ferocious attack on India, most likely in J&K to re-inforce equal equal, and calling for talks to resolve all outstanding issues. TSP still belives, and rightly so, given that a hefty price has not been extracted either from India or US, only rewarded by way of respectability and aid; that enough jihadi attacks on India will force India to the negotiating table on its terms, and it would be downhill for India thereafter.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 11 Oct 2009 13:30

Dhiman wrote: It all started when USSR first invaded Afghanistan and USA with the help of Saudi's decided to shower money into Pakistan to create and fund religious extremist for fighting the soviet troops.

Actually, it started soon after 1947.. USSR was just part of the pattern of extracting more aid.

With US receding and Saud likely to loose its Oil money in few decades, one would think Pakistan will soon be forced into learning some lessons. However, China is doing well and may replace Uncle/Saud as main prop.

Either way, I don't see any way of Pakistan changing its strips unless the rich sugar daddy's loose interest.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 15:23

geo tv.

Aqeel was mastermind of Sri Lankan cricket team attack
Updated at: 1317 PST, Sunday, October 11, 2009

RAWALPINDI: Muhammad Aqeel alias Dr. Usman, heading the gang of terrorists attacking GHQ, is also involved in several heinous incidents, who is now finally caught in the clutches of the heavy hands of law.

Coming from Tehsil Kahota of Rawalpindi, Muhammad Aqeel alias Dr. Usman is the former sepoy of Army Medical Store. He was the mastermind and leader of the gang of terrorists, who had attacked the Sri Lankan cricket team and, thereafter, Aqeel alias Usman along with the accomplices avoiding arrest had fled to Waziristan. Aqeel accused of planning attack on the former President Pervez Musharraf was also wanted in the case.

Lahore police said that Aqeel alias Dr. Usman belonged to Punjabi Tahrik-e-Taliban, which was set up three/four years ago and it had close ties with Baitullah Mehsud. The police had arrested a member of Punjabi Tahrik-e-Taliban, Zubair alias Nek Muhammad involved in June 18 attack on Sri Lankan cricket team, who had made starling disclosures about Aqeel alias Dr. Usman.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 11 Oct 2009 15:27

shiv wrote:I mean - its the goddam Army HQ and 9 men entered and held the place for nearly 24 hours. BENIS where are you?

They are not an army...just a bunch of inbred yahoos who got a country...
An army whose core business is Fauji Foundation selling cereals (http://www.fauji.org.pk/Webforms/Cereal ... =159&p=104).

BTW the dead ones can be recycled by the Fauji Fertilizer (http://www.fauji.org.pk/Webforms/FFComp ... 2=139&p=97)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 15:35

X-post

hk_sharma wrote:Pakistan and China: A Fraying Friendship?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 89,00.html

From the above (which is dated by about 8 months)

"India has emerged as a much more powerful force in the region and Pakistan has not succeeded in the way that hopeful and loyal supporters had once imagined." {Very clear acceptance of truth. It should actually be guilt. The 'hopeful and loyal supporters' have created a monster and they continue to feed it.}

"An unstable Pakistan will lead to an unstable China," says Ejaz. "They know this so they will never leave us alone." {It is this arrogance and fear-mongering, from day one, that has sustained Pakistan. It is indeed well past time to destroy that notion. So long as it is allowed to exercise this fear freely and blackmail everyone, there will be no peace. Attacking Iraq was the biggest mistake made by the US and that also helped Pakistan escape. History has been witness to so many similar fortuitous escapes and turn of events favouring Pakistan. The Law of Averages should catch up with it sooner than later.}

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 11 Oct 2009 15:46

The mother of all Frankensteins, UK, is using its media to salvage some H&D of its monster child.

Beeb: Pakistani security forces have freed about 40 hostages who were being held by militants at an army base in Rawalpindi, near the capital Islamabad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8301175.stm

FT: Pakistani commandos stormed a building at the army headquarters compound on Sunday, rescuing at least 30 hostages and capturing the leader of the militant band which had penetrated the security hub.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8e6f54b0-b599 ... ab49a.html

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 11 Oct 2009 16:00

Milli-pede and Madame Kilton certifying that an army that takes 24 hours to clean a bunch of miscreants within its own HQ, is fully able to secure the nuclear weapons.

LONDON: British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton say Pakistan faces a serious threat from terrorism, but the country's nuclear arsenal is not at risk.

Taliban militants have launched a series of increasingly audacious attacks on military and political targets on Pakistan. On Saturday militants attacked the army headquarters, taking dozens of hostages.

At a news conference Sunday, Miliband said Pakistan faced a ``mortal threat,'' but there was not a risk of Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into terrorist hands.

Clinton said the U.S. had confidence in Pakistani authorities. She said terrorists were ``increasingly threatening the authority of the state, but we see no evidence they are going to take over the state.''

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=88829

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2009 17:01

The one thing holding back India is not improving the relationship with Pakistan

He believes that India-Pakistan tension is the root cause of all problems the region is facing today, including Middle East. What a pathetic assessment. That leaves one stunned & speechless at the ignorance of an ex American President. He should know the reasons why it has not happened. Or, he is trying to push an American agenda assuming the Indian listeners were fools.

"...if that one thing (improving ties with Pakistan) could be done by India, it would revolutionise the 21st century in ways no one can imagine," Clinton said at the PAN- IIT conference here.

"Try to find a way to keep making progress with the Pakistanis," Clinton said.

"I know that especially after what happened in Mumbai. I watched the hotel room I always stay in burning, I know that but if that one thing could be done by India it would revolutionise the 21st century in ways no one can imagine."

Clinton argued that this would help reduce the nuclear threat the world faces as also the rush in all these countries to produce atomic weapons and it would indirectly reduce tensions in the Middle East. The same thing is true in Afghanistan, he noted.

"I just think that if India and Pakistan can work together then they {why 'they'} can even overtake China in the 21st century," Clinton argued.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 11 Oct 2009 17:30

Aqeel was mastermind of Sri Lankan cricket team attack

Coming from Tehsil Kahota of Rawalpindi, Muhammad Aqeel alias Dr. Usman is the former sepoy of Army Medical Store. He was the mastermind and leader of the gang of terrorists, who had attacked the Sri Lankan cricket team and, thereafter, Aqeel alias Usman along with the accomplices avoiding arrest had fled to Waziristan. Aqeel accused of planning attack on the former President Pervez Musharraf was also wanted in the case.

Lahore police said that Aqeel alias Dr. Usman belonged to Punjabi Tahrik-e-Taliban, which was set up three/four years ago and it had close ties with Baitullah Mehsud.