The Red Menace

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 10 Oct 2009 13:34

Can I request that this is not Nukkad and we could use normal English spellings!

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 Oct 2009 13:53

^
^Situation is not like that. check the chindu article, even the most optimistic communist mouthpiece is worried about maoist failing to increase their presence in other parts of the country despite "herculean efforts" or even maintain their hold in the captured region.
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The 63-year-old leader was in charge of the South Western Regional Bureau (SWRB) coordinating the naxalite activity in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala and Maharashtra, where rebel activity remained stagnant despite herculean efforts made by the Maoist party. Taking into consideration his ability to analyse the national and international developments, he was also entrusted with the job of building up the naxal movement in urban areas.

Ghandy is stated to have admitted that despite the rapid spread of the naxalite movement in Central and North India, it failed to strike roots in other states. Even in Orissa, Jharkhand, Bihar and Chhattisgarh, the rebel party failed to win over people in plain areas and in towns
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Though the naxalite movement began in Maharashtra in Gadchiroli division abutting Andhra Pradesh three decades ago, it had failed to spread to other areas. In Kerala also the naxalite party had failed to make much of an impact. Karnataka where the movement was relatively strong just a decade ago, had seen a split in the rank and file of Maoists after a section of leaders leaders questioned the very principle of area wise seizure of power starting from forest areas. Ever since the split, the Maoist party failed to strike roots in this state.

In Tamil Nadu, the Maoist think tank had been trying to get a foothold in districts abutting Andhra Pradesh and Kerala but instant response from the police agencies had halted the spread of the Maoist movement. The exchange of fire near Theni river in Tamil Nadu two years ago forced the Maoist party to slow down on its plans.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article23734.ece

The only thing that might give breathing space for the maoists is if the central home minister is replaced with another person who talks like former HM shivraj patil. "Naxals are my brothers", this is how the idiot was describing the maoists in lok sabha, there couldn't have been a better spokesman for the maoists. Due to this person's lethargic attitude towards the maoist threat today we are seeing the killings of policemen unprepared for anti-terror ops. The previous HM never bothered to provide better training and arms to police, afterall why would he? naxals are his brothers.

So till chidu is the HM, maoist are unlikely to gain an upperhand. So over-ground maoists are likely to start a campaign to get chidu out of that chair by any means possible including getting petitions signed by nobel prize winners. This is how they got the over ground maoist binayak sen out on bail. The judge in that case did not even bother to listen to prosecution's appeal. Just gave binayak bail. Hey afterall nobel prize winners wanted the swine freed, why would the macaluyite judge listen to what the lawyers representing indians citizens had to say. Now that the swine is out, he can have a BBQ of human flesh along with his maoist leaders.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Oct 2009 13:54

Things are finally heading towards endgame, seems like.

Seems like that...the elephant has been needled enough and is slowly getting irritated. Notice the constant anti-naxal outpouring on all channels. This was not the case even a year back.
A showdown is coming wherein we should see the state ruthlessly put down the movement like it did in Kerala and WB in the 70s...

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 10 Oct 2009 14:10

Maoists warn Sonia, PC

NCHI: Activists of the CPI (Maoist) on Friday pasted posters in Latehar district threatening to kill UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Union
home minister P Chidambaram.

The rebels said that they were quite agitated over Chidambaram's statement to respond to them militarily. The posters pasted on the Manika block office appealed villagers to chase away Sonia, PM Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram for inviting multinational companies in the country. Latehar SP Kuldeep Dwivedi said: The police have received information about the posters but they have not been able to locate them," he added.

The Maoists also set two tractors on fire near the Durua railway station, about 6 km from Latehar.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 Oct 2009 14:14

Search for cop killers in Maoist bastion - Video link
http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4329326.cms

Battle reaches Maoist terror heartland
http://www.timesnow.tv/Battle-reaches-M ... 329301.cms
10 Oct 2009, 0923 hrs IST
The Indian government began its first major offensive against CPI (Maoist) insurgents today (October 10), with the Centre dispatching 7,000 crack teams and 2 helicopter gunships to root out the Maoists who murdered 20 police officers in Gadchiroli in Maharashtra.

The battle is being fought along the borders of Naxal-infested states like Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand besides smaller, simultaneous operations through the vast swathe of dense jungles in Maharashtra, that the Maoists call the ‘Red Corridor’.

Currently in Gadchiroli there are 3,300 men of the Maharashtra anti-naxal force- the C-60 and the central paramilitary force. Added to this is an additional 3,700 BSF personnel - 35 companies – making it a total 7,000 forces deployed in the Naxal-infested district alone.

Meanwhile speaking exclusively to TIMES NOW's correspondent Megha Prasad, Maharashtra Chief Minister Ashok Chavan said his government will fight the Maoists tooth and nail and that such attacks would not be tolerated.

With Maharashtra Assembly polls just four days away, political leaders have been cautioned against flying over Naxal-affected Gadchiroli district with security personnel combing the dense forests in the hunt for the Maoists who gunned down 20 policemen.

Innocence lost: Naxals brainwash children - Video Link
http://www.timesnow.tv/Naxals-brainwash ... 329304.cms

Innocence lost: Naxals brainwash children
http://www.timesnow.tv/Innocence-lost-N ... 329309.cms
10 Oct 2009, 1031 hrs IST
The government may have tightened the screws against the Maoists, but in areas of Chhattisgarh the Red Army is a law unto themselves. TIMES NOW reports of how Maoists in the forests of Chhattisgarh are brainwashing children into joining the red fold.

Even as the sun beats down on the forests of Chhattisgarh, hidden in the midst of the dense foliage is something more ominous. Twelve-year-old children are being brainwashed and christened into the deadly Naxal fold. Innocence has been stolen by the barrel of a Naxal gun, leaving villagers with no choice but to give in.

TIMES NOW's camera's travelled into the dense Gangulur forests, around 785 kms south of Chhattisgarh’s capital of Raipur, only to fund a Naxal initiation ceremony or 'Bal Sangram'. The ceremony welcomes young blood to fight for the Naxal cause.

Those who refuse to budge, lose their livelihood or worse -- pay with their lives, with the surrounding mountainous terrain providing an apt camouflage for the red army to carry out their rein of terror. The Naxalites are forcing peace loving tribals to abandon their livelihood and take up the gun instead, a move which will surely raise some worry for the government.

Maoists unapologetic for beheading cop -Video Link
http://www.timesnow.tv/Maoists-unapolog ... 329308.cms

Speaking exclusively to TIMES NOW, the Maoist top boss has admitted that his operatives on the ground beheaded Jharkhand intelligence officer Francis Induwar adding that they would do the same for all their real enemies. In West Bengal though pressure seems to be telling on Naxals with its leaders saying they are ready for talks with the state government, Maoist leader Kishenji linked talks to a series of pre-conditions including release of Maoist prisoners, a ceasefire and exemption from laying down arms.

'We'll fight Naxals tooth and nail' - Video Link
http://www.timesnow.tv/Well-fight-Naxal ... 329303.cms

Even as the Government begins its major offensive against Maoists in various Naxal-infested states, speaking exclusivey to TIMES NOW's corrrespondent Megha Prasad, Maharashtra Chief Minister Ashok Chavan has said his government will fight the Maoists "tooth and nail" and such attacks won't be tolerated.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 Oct 2009 14:23

Maoists warn Sonia, PC
The Maoists also set two tractors on fire near the Durua railway station, about 6 km from Latehar.

Maoist right activists had made a lot of noise in the streets of kolkatta after chatradhar mahato was arrested by WB police.

They claimed maoist leader mahato was working for farmer's interests.

So now what do these activists have to say about maoists destroying farm equipment. Are they going to condemn this act or are they busy cooking human flesh and supplying it to kobad and mahato in their jail cells.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Oct 2009 17:38

This people are to be killed to the last man. But why are we not taking any action to this Jholawalas who are nothing but overt members of the naxals. Most of the media writes for naxals and no one is caring to ask the management of these papers and tv channels what the hell they are showing/printing. May be FICCI should take a view on these matters and stop advertising in those papers and tv channels who are openly help by pro naxal people.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Oct 2009 20:10

But why are we not taking any action to this Jholawalas who are nothing but overt members of the naxals. Most of the media writes for naxals and no one is caring to ask the management of these papers and tv channels what the hell they are showing/printing.

All in good time, NR bhai.

The state has gotten serious very recently only. Be sure the entire overground support infrastructure is under watch as we speak (or so I hope!) Taking down this hydra can't happen overnight.

Heck, I betcha multiple agencies have dossiers thick on the overgrounds already.

Right now, it is good to have these turds expose their true nature, helps making a stronger case against them in a court of law when the time does come to take them down.

May be FICCI should take a view on these matters and stop advertising in those papers and tv channels who are openly help by pro naxal people.

Useless, IMHO. These turds are able to squat on the borders of sedition precisely because their phoren funding makes them immune to pressures of this sort.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 10 Oct 2009 20:14

In the 70's there was strong international pressure to deal with Communist extermists. That meant human righst violations would not be used to pressurize the GOI. This time around the communists fit into the overall plan fo destabilization and pressurizing the GOI. There will be limitations.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Oct 2009 20:27

Narayana Rao wrote:This people are to be killed to the last man. But why are we not taking any action to this Jholawalas who are nothing but overt members of the naxals. Most of the media writes for naxals and no one is caring to ask the management of these papers and tv channels what the hell they are showing/printing. May be FICCI should take a view on these matters and stop advertising in those papers and tv channels who are openly help by pro naxal people.

To put it on record. Telugu news paper "Andhra Jyothy" is one of them.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Oct 2009 08:35

Some data points. Connect the dots to see some resolve on GOI part.

+ Times Now reporting a massing of forces in Gadchiroli.

+ ToI yesterday had a full page on 'India under attack'.

+ INC backs PC's hard stance against the maoists (TOI)

+ Home Secy GK Pillai calls for expediting arms and tech upgrades to forces, calls for both imports and jugaad to be brought into play (TOI)

+ MHA details plan to retake red zones, says forces will adopt a clear-and-hold approach. Forces won't leave a cleared area after the operation until a civil admin with sufficient security forces is instituted. Estimates this could start within 30 days of forces moving in and could take upto a few yrs. (TOI)

+ GoI is clear that unless local folk are convinced the forces will stay and not leave after an op, the tide cannot turn. So says an MHA source quoted in TOI. (Praise the law-d for such wisdom)

+ Force levels will spike after poll duty comes to a close. IAF has been given ok to proceed in ops against the reds. (TOI)

+ Talk abuzz about center-state forces coordination, formal mechanism to be instituted for this. Simultaneous ops against multiple targets in an area planned. (TOI)

So, seems apna lazy, corrupt slothful state has moved o to 60 in a week, eh? The speed, alacrity, deftness and purpose with which the yindian state can move when it needs to has amazed even seasoned observers, not to mention seasoned foes.

Am now hoping Sri Moily will say something. To the effect that special fast tribunals etc can be setup to try naxal cases and dispose them in a lawful by speedy manner. Any changes in law necessary can be put to parliament.

Jai Ho.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Oct 2009 08:51

^^^

All this means that the overground naxal machinery will go into overdrive, in an all-out effort to prevent the coming slaughter of their jackals. Suitcases full of money will be changing hands in short order. Promises and back-room deals will hit the cash-in point. Eminent persons, and perhaps even the representatives of foreign organizations and governments, will be seeking the audience of ministers and senior babus. And of course, certain people are going to say certain things in the media, perhaps with an added shrillness, even a little carelessness, as their hysteria mounts.

What this gives us Pee-Ar-Efites is a window on the stirred-up wasp's nest. I'd recommend watching the news as closely as we can and taking careful note of the scum that rises to the top of the boiling pot.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 10:25

imho some kind of covert , specific and very credible threat has been made to The Family, their financial interests and business associates & eminent political backers.

nothing else can explain the sudden flurry of activity and cutting of red tape.

as I have said before - 300 orphan blind starving schoolkids could be massacred and nobody gives a **** in lutyens delhi, now a wayward fly comes into the Family's backyard and bites the dog and immediate PMO level orders will go out to scramble Mig29s from Hindon.

anyway the next months will point the way to progression of events. there has been a BW article this week that $100b of investment is held up by land acquisition troubles in the naxalish areas.
@ 10% cut, thats $10b being kept from the pockets of our political and admin warlords. thats a lot of money.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 12:28

TOI - fair amt of effort to lift 2500 people and their personal gear

3 battalions in naxal-hit Gadchiroli
Yogesh Naik, TNN 11 October 2009, 04:00am IST

MUMBAI: The Centre, on Saturday, airlifted 18 companies (three battalions) of paramilitary forces from Jammu and Jalandhar to the naxal-hit Gadchiroli district in Maharashtra to assist in the peace-keeping operations on October 13, the day the state goes to vote.

Besides the local police, there are 35 companies of paramilitary forces in Gadchiroli. The recent Naxal encounter that saw the death of 17 policemen is the third big massacre in the district. And top police officials said the morale of the local police had gone down.

Chief Secretary Johny Joseph said the state government made an appeal to the Union home secretary and the defence secretary, following which they agreed to airlift the troops. He added that the men from the Central Reserve Police Force were airlifted from their bases at Jammu and Jalandhar by IAF planes and were taken to Nagpur. Two battalions arrived at Nagpur on Saturday evening; the third one is expected to land later in the night.

State chief electoral officer Debashish Chakrabarty, who has been updating Election Commission on all developments in the area, was also of the opinon that district needed more police force to ensure free, fair and above all safe elections.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 11 Oct 2009 17:56

Rudradev wrote:.......

plz check PM inbox.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 18:26

headlines today channel is shouting all day about the deployment and even has a reporter on the
roadside showing the convoys of buses loaded with security people. She claimed she will ride with
them. tickers were blaring "matter of hrs now for final crackdown/search n destroy" etc.

any naxal with half a brain will have decamped for other hideouts by now. there wont be anything but adandoned camps in those forests.

my theories
- GOI is still soft on naxals but wants to make show of doing something (with ample warning given to culprits to vacate the area)
- there really was a pir panjal sarp vinash kind of extreme concentration of naxals in the area and
they will be forced to leave now - this might ensure a safe(r) election in MH interior

else it makes no sense to beat the drum and then go in. you first do the job then beat the drum after producing bodies - there has hardly been a case where large body of naxals killed and bodies show. its always a successful or failed ambush by naxals after which they carry off their dead and wounded leaving a blood stains to theorize about.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 18:35

hindustan times:

Anti-Naxal offensive to begin in 11 places

First Published: 00:06 IST(10/10/2009)
Last Updated: 00:58 IST(10/10/2009)

India’s bloody battles against the Maoists will be fought in eleven theatres along borders of Naxal-infested states like Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand besides smaller, simultaneous operations through the vast swathe of dense jungles that the Maoists call the Red Corridor.

India has 2.5 million people living under the shadow of the about 5,600 well-trained and equally well armed Naxals. “This is their fighting core besides thousands of militia,” a senior security officer said.

The government expects to wipe out the military component of the Naxals between 12 to 36 months. Already, there are reports of the Maoists moving deeper into jungles — and their leaders into strongholds like the Ambujmarh jungles of Chhattisgarh — in anticipation of the onslaught.

The anti-naxal surge cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) on Thursday plans to clear the forests of the heavily armed naxal cadre and deliver a heavy dose of development that will bring schools, health services, police stations and road building exercises.

“We hope that literally within 30 days of security forces moving in and dominating the area, we should be able to restore civil administration there,” Home Secretary G K Pillai declared on Friday.

But this exercise could be painfully slow and cost hundreds of lives. India has 223 districts under naxal influence, only half of them witness naxal violence.

The government has a Rs 7,300 crore infrastructure development plan for naxal-affected areas under various schemes. Pillai expects to spend nearly Rs 1,000 crore on the naxal-infested regions this year.

Senior government sources told HT that the home ministry had received support from the CCS on taking the naxal battle to the next level, into naxal strongholds like the forests of Bastar where the naxal writ runs.

While state police forces assisted by the central forces would carry out operations in their respective areas, the home ministry has drawn up a heavy plans to dominate the eleven tri-junctions and bi-junctions - inter-state borders between two or three states like Chhattisgarh and Maharashtra.

To begin with, six districts of four states — Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and Maharashtra — have been selected to implement the action plan.

Over the next few weeks, the government hopes to raise the additional strength of central security forces to 35,000 personnel who would clear out territory and hand them back to a mix of paramilitary and state armed police personnel.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Oct 2009 18:36

Could it have a psy-ops angle to ensure that most of the Naxals( who anyways wont have a clue of what they are doing and blindly follow their "revolutionary" leaders) get the message that the big bad army is coming to annihilate them? This would ensure most of them get scared and surrender leading to lesser bloodshed and making it easier to wipe out the hardcore reds..

All this is IMHO, of course...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Oct 2009 18:53

also a message to those providing logistical stuff like food, fuel, clothing and medical aid to the camps that it wont be business as usual and that state will come down hard on them.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Oct 2009 19:05

my theories
- GOI is still soft on naxals but wants to make show of doing something (with ample warning given to culprits to vacate the area)
- there really was a pir panjal sarp vinash kind of extreme concentration of naxals in the area and
they will be forced to leave now - this might ensure a safe(r) election in MH interior

else it makes no sense to beat the drum and then go in. you first do the job then beat the drum after producing bodies - there has hardly been a case where large body of naxals killed and bodies show. its always a successful or failed ambush by naxals after which they carry off their dead and wounded leaving a blood stains to theorize about.

Sadly, moi must agree with this assessment.

However, the ever optimistic chankian in me sees a different spin..... Drum beating makes sense when you want to produce movement. Movement that will give away camp locations, routes used, sympathizer nests, arms dumps and hajaar other little stuff. Heck, even as we speak, every desi satellite and sat-light in the sky is focusing like a laser beam on
suspect sites like it were the next kahuta......

I know, wishful thinking but hey, a guy can dream can't he?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Oct 2009 19:28

What about movies. In Telugu Actors like Narayana Rao ( my name sake unfortunately) and Paracuri Brothers and many more regularly make pro naxal movies. In no telugu movie naxals are shown bad in spite of the fact large parts of Andhra are under naxal terror. In fact naxals are glorified time and again in Telugu movies.

I saw on Times now Tv that actor who acted as Poornayya in Tippu serial telling how he made a pro naxal hindi movie. He is not at all ready to accept what he did was wrong. Madhu Yaski was also speaking how naxals are representing poor people which is directly in contrast of what his own party PM and HM are saying. I don’t think Congress has taken any action against him

Even Indian Communists (ha ha ha) are not ready to accepts that naxals are simply terrorists. Mr Raja of CPI (or is it CPM) in fact was not ready to accept any criticism of Stalin ( God where is these peoples reasoning power and good sense) If the Indinan Communists think that they can capture power following naxals path they will also take up arms. Remember communists and naxals worship same gods like Stalin, Mao, (Pol Pot also.)

Force can make Naxals weak but as long as we do not destroy these overt naxals the movement (for want of better name only please) In India it is fashionable to be pro naxal and leftist activist and writer. Unless this kind of thing stops final victory is not going to come.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 11 Oct 2009 20:25

Okie to start off with I am not a Naxal sympathiser, but then,

1. Oppression in Villages by the wealthy: If you have seen the level of oppression in villages you would understand the amount of frustration that an oppressed individual endures day in and day out. Wages from the Govt are siphoned off by cronies of the ruling politician.Anyone who questions them ends up maimed if not dead. In cities we are almost always insulated from these happenings. Now can anyone prove that there is no oppression in the villages and what are the oppressed supposed to do, sit back and do nothing ? Naxalism is one of the ways they vent their anger.

2. High-handedness of the local police: I have come across this in cities, policemen frankly behave like they are mai-baaps and they can even slap you on a busy road and if you dont know anyone you cant cause even a crease on the policeman's forehead. IF this is the case in cities in villages it is worse. Arrogance and ill-treatment of the downtrodden by the local police is also one reason why their intelligence network tends to suck up money rather than breathing off goodwill.

3. Corruption in politics: IF you graph the assets of MLAs/MPs over their tenure only 0.1% would be in the static group, rest of them have their assets growing(multiplying increasing exponentially)

No person would like to spend their lives in jungles where there is no shred of comfort, but a socially conscious person who is powerless without taking up arms(dont tell me he has the power to vote, thats a joke), tends to rebel and that is what is showing up now as this menace and yeah to be socially conscious you dont need to hold advanced degrees. I feel lack of basic governance is the reason for all this and i do think there are a number of people who think like me. What seems to attract news is the number of policemen killed, what you dont see is the number of aam-aadmis killed/raped day in and day out.

All the things said above do not give the naxals license to do what they are doing. IF they were genuinely concerned with the well-being of the people they should have aided the government whenever developmental works were taken up. They shouldnt have blasted schools, they shouldnt have blasted train tracks/stations, they shouldnt have killed government officials, they shouldnt have scared NREGA officials.

We have to fix our governance at the earliest and there is no alternative to that.

Jai Hind

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 11 Oct 2009 21:04

Naxals great threat but they aren't terrorists: PM

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Oct 2009 21:14

Good points, suryag.

I doubt anyone here is saying that oppression doesn't exist in our rurals. Oppression has existed for as long as the power structure existed (which is like the whole of recorded history).

And unlike TFTA lands, rural oppression in Yindia produced relatively few revolutionary movements. So how did the naxal movement suddenly spring up and spread like the wildfire that it did? So rural discontent was channeled and used by outside powers for their own purposes. Does it not stand to reason then that closing these linkages with phoren arms and money for the naxals will weaken the naxals?

Don't get me wrong, I have no illusions that naxalism will be wiped out. Oh no, am too much of a realist to believe that.

There are horrendous disparities in almost all ex-colonies. The TSPian feudal elite probably behaves worse with its peasantry. Latin America, Indo-China, Africa - everywhere the same story of oppression only. At least in Yindia, in another 10-20 yrs, there is the real hope that once we hit the middle income per capita threshold, economic growth will be rapid enough to smooth over the worst of the disparities and provide a minimal safety net after which this medieval style and story of peasant oppression will truly become history in our land also.

Or so I hope.

Jai Ho.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 11 Oct 2009 21:44

AdityaM wrote:Naxals great threat but they aren't terrorists: PM

This delusional timid man will keep refusing to label naxals as terrorists as long as they are cutting the throats of BJP leaders and Hindu saints. The day they start killing Congressmen and missionaries, he will begin to lose his by-now-famous sleep.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 12 Oct 2009 03:16

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Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 12 Oct 2009 08:37

suryag wrote:Okie to start off with I am not a Naxal sympathiser, but then,

1. Oppression in Villages by the wealthy: If you have seen the level of oppression in villages you would understand the amount of frustration that an oppressed individual endures day in and day out. Wages from the Govt are siphoned off by cronies of the ruling politician.Anyone who questions them ends up maimed if not dead. In cities we are almost always insulated from these happenings. Now can anyone prove that there is no oppression in the villages and what are the oppressed supposed to do, sit back and do nothing ? Naxalism is one of the ways they vent their anger.

2. High-handedness of the local police: I have come across this in cities, policemen frankly behave like they are mai-baaps and they can even slap you on a busy road and if you dont know anyone you cant cause even a crease on the policeman's forehead. IF this is the case in cities in villages it is worse. Arrogance and ill-treatment of the downtrodden by the local police is also one reason why their intelligence network tends to suck up money rather than breathing off goodwill.

3. Corruption in politics: IF you graph the assets of MLAs/MPs over their tenure only 0.1% would be in the static group, rest of them have their assets growing(multiplying increasing exponentially)

In one word, the problems is : Nbjprie .

What solution do you propose?

No person would like to spend their lives in jungles where there is no shred of comfort, but a socially conscious person who is powerless without taking up arms(dont tell me he has the power to vote, thats a joke), tends to rebel and that is what is showing up now as this menace and yeah to be socially conscious you dont need to hold advanced degrees. I feel lack of basic governance is the reason for all this and i do think there are a number of people who think like me. What seems to attract news is the number of policemen killed, what you dont see is the number of aam-aadmis killed/raped day in and day out.

All the things said above do not give the naxals license to do what they are doing. IF they were genuinely concerned with the well-being of the people they should have aided the government whenever developmental works were taken up. { I agree} They shouldnt have blasted schools, they shouldnt have blasted train tracks/stations, they shouldnt have killed government officials, they shouldnt have scared NREGA officials.

We have to fix our governance at the earliest and there is no alternative to that. ...

Yes. But how?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 12 Oct 2009 09:54

x posted from Newbie thread:

Koti wrote:

If Army can be used against militants in Kashmir, some of whom constitute of Indian citizens, why can't it be used against Naxals who also receive help from external sources, go against the constitution, kill innocent people, and are now called after a foreign leader who was considered our biggest enemy.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Oct 2009 10:20

The external backers of the maoists want India to spend resources and get the Indian army bogged down in internal security issues. similarly they want all of India's resources away from strategic programmes. We should desist from using the Army but arm paramiltaries. We need to check the overground workers of the Maoists. without this the fight against them is useless.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 12 Oct 2009 10:31

How many areas will the IA be spread out to curb forces inimical to India?

Has it the manpower for being sent out elsewhere, more so, when things are hotting up at the frontiers?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Oct 2009 14:10

RayC wrote:x posted from Newbie thread:

Koti wrote:

If Army can be used against militants in Kashmir, some of whom constitute of Indian citizens, why can't it be used against Naxals who also receive help from external sources, go against the constitution, kill innocent people, and are now called after a foreign leader who was considered our biggest enemy.

1) There are No militants in Kashmir

2) There are only pan Islamic jihadis in Kashmir funneled in through west

3) There are some Indians who are sold who support the external influence -- i.e. traitors.

4) Look at the numbers as well -- a total of what 6000 Afghan/Pakistanis etc in whole of Kashmir? All hard core

This is different from fighting a battle where there are
1) Indian citizens in large number

2) Most of the Naxals are militarily -- soft core -- a mob attack pretty much with guns instead of lathis etc.

Those who are older would remember the dakus of Chambal ages back (still some survive) -- Maoists are essentially similar phenomena this time though with better guns, better funding and a ideological structure (yes the funding and ideology comes from outside and should be attacked with the same approach that Jihadists are attacked) however the people component needs a approach like handling Dakus, i.e.
1) Kill the main ones
2) Provide sustained pressure -- 1 to 2 years in a area to flush dakus out and build confidence in locals
3) Use a extensive local informer network -- basic police work -- to work out the hiding places etc.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Oct 2009 15:30

"Naxals/Maoists not terrorists" says PM.Well if they're not that Dr.Singh,then would you readily admit that at the very least they're cold-blooded murderers with the latest victims two coal executives,who deserve the ultimate punishment? In actual fact,the Naxals have declared war against the Indian state.It is therefore incumbent that the GOI of the day use every means to destroy them once and for all.They are agent-provocateurs of the PRC and their Quislings in India ,masquerading as members of the Left and benefactors the poor.We cannot deny that social injustice is the fertile ground from which the Naxals harvest their crop of young fighters.To win this war against the Naxals,we must use a two-pronged strategy,political action on the ground to alleviate the problems and suffering of the peasants and military action against those who will not surrrender their arms.

The Naxal problem is beginning to take shape just like the LTTE problem that afflicted Lanka for decades.The sooner the GOI takes the strongest military action,full use of air power,etc.,the sooner will be able to rstore peace in the tribals areas and begin development projects for their benefit.The Naxal "brush" has swept across half of the map of India, and if left to grow further will prevent us from defeating our enemeies from without,who are helping the enemy from within.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 12 Oct 2009 16:24

Ghandy tough-nut to crack, say police sources

New Delhi, Oct 11 (PTI) Arrested Maoist leader Kobad Ghandy appeared to have emerged as a "tough-nut to crack" for Delhi Police even as it came to light that Naxals were using technology to their advantage like operating "hard drive-less" laptops with the help of pen drives.

Ghandy, who is currently under the custody of Delhi Police's Special Cell, is understood to have not revealed much to his interrogators on the network of Maoists in the city as well as the banned outfit's future plans.

The 63-year-old Polit Bureau member of CPI (Maoist) was arrested by the Special Cell on September 21 from Bhikaji Kama Place acting on intelligence inputs.

However, Maoists claimed that he was picked up on September 17 by Intelligence Bureau after a "weak element" in the CPI (Maoist), who was acting as Ghandy's courier, "betrayed" him.

"He is one of the ideologues of the party.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 12 Oct 2009 16:33

PC becomes the flaming arrowhead Minister adds a sharp edge to Maoist fight

New Delhi, Oct. 11: As the security offensive against Naxalites gears up, it is increasingly apparent that the effort is being fuelled by the personal, and contentious, edge and urgency Union home minister P. Chidambaram has imparted it.

Depending on what side of the discordant debate the voices belong to, Chidambaram is being credited with — or blamed for — lending the offensive a flaming arrowhead.

“High time someone cut through the mumbo-jumbo and saw the Maoist threat for what it is,” says Ajai Sahni of the Institute of Crisis Management. “At least this home minister is beginning to speak the right language.”

Such lauding is anathema to the likes of human rights activist Gautam Navlakha. “Chidambaram has ended the hypocrisy of it all and put the blunt face of the state on display,” says Navlakha, “but he should have the guts to call this a war because deploying specially trained counter-insurgency forces is not kabaddi. He should also know he is fashioning a disastrous policy, he can start this war but he will have no control over ending it, he does not realise what he is getting the country into.”

Chidambaram’s elaborate bureaucracy is almost as unanimous about the booster-propeller role their relatively new boss has come to play on the Naxalite front.

As one top officer put it: “The Prime Minister flagged Naxalism as the main internal security threat several years ago, but it is only after Chidamabaram came to North Block that the ministry really began to respond to that warning from the top. We were in a prolonged state of reactive ambivalence, Chidambaram has radicalised it into a fairly provocative pro-activism. He has determined to take the battle to them, it’s his dare, not the Naxalites’ and that’s new.”

The most important thing Chidambaram has done, the officer said, was to send out an “unambiguous no-tolerance message to armed Naxalites”.

“It is critical to display determination at the top, and Chidambaram has done that,” the officer added. “This has achieved two things — it has told the Naxalites what they are up against, and it has told the bureaucracy and the forces that their boss means and expects business.”

The one thing that has clearly changed over the past few weeks is the level of orchestration among forces. “Call it propaganda, call it psychological warfare, but Chidambaram is making it seem like a gathering storm for the Naxalites, as if all the forces at the command of the government are in a new concert against them,” the official said.

“There has been a spate of anti-Naxalite advertising, the air force has been speaking of a role, various police and paramilitary wings have become more voluble, there is a visible build-up to something, almost a physically visible warning.”

A top Intelligence Bureau (IB) official indicated that Chidambaram has been tuning up the work ethic behind-the-scenes, too. “He has surely made accountability essential,” he said. “There is, for instance, a daily meeting now at the Multiple Agency Centre (MAC), where intelligence inputs from various agencies, including the paramilitary and police, are exchanged, analysed and sent up. With Chidambaram there is little scope for excuses.” (AoA! Finally!)

To a retired official with old familiarity with the home ministry, Chidambaram’s current posture has brought back memories of his first stint as junior minister for internal security under Rajiv Gandhi, particularly his role in Operation Black Thunder of 1988.

Sikh militants had regrouped in Amritsar’s Golden Temple after Bluestar’s bloody flush-out and were threatening to resume Khalistani insurgency from the holy fortress.

Worried about a repeat of the disastrous communal fallout of Bluestar, there were many in the Congress establishment who were against another security crackdown.

“But Chidambaram seemed to have no confusion the militants had to be evicted by force,” the official remembers. “He’s the man who marshalled Black Thunder, overriding political fears of a repeat of Bluestar and its consequences. Although Buta Singh was the home minister, it was Chidambaram who took Black Thunder from conception to the very end, clinically, almost coldly. He is a man who wants to achieve what he sets out to do.”

But equally strong, though not as vocal, are the notes of caution emerging from some of Chidambaram’s officials. They concern a whole range of issues from the tactical to the logistical.

“Launching a propaganda offensive against the Naxalites is new, but it could also backfire,” warns one senior officer. “The Naxalites are no spring chickens, they are hardened and committed, all this noise will not deter them. On the contrary, it puts a huge onus on the government and the forces now to succeed in this effort. Are we prepared?”

Independent security experts and officers alike have been pointing out grave deficiencies in the engagement-readiness of the forces. They lack for numbers, they are ill-equipped and poorly trained, they have little familiarity with their operating terrain and, probably most of all, they may suffer a huge commitment disadvantage to their Maoist adversaries.

As one CRPF officer who has done a stint in Chhattisgarh said: “The Maoists are in this fight for life, we are there just for our terms, and many of us are just waiting to get out, it’s not a battle that inspires the jawans or their officers. And Chidamabaram’s determination does not necessarily outweigh that.”

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 12 Oct 2009 20:19

^^As predicted, chidu is being targeted now. If over ground maoists masquerading as human rights activists are not successful in removing him from the post of HM then the armed maoists will try to assassinate him.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Oct 2009 20:40

We have many over ground people around openly supporting Naxals. can't we take any action on them. I am sure there are provisions in the law. We read how many bengali actors etc supported naxals by funding. Can't police do something about them. It is paramount to act against these traitors also.

People, we have to understand Naxals are not fighting for any cause. They want to come into power and estabilish a Communist state like Mao or Stalin. This great danger we have to understand. Some stupid people still thinking about the reasons for naxalisum and how to solve the problems of the poor and all that. It is not going to work.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Oct 2009 21:03

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Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Oct 2009 21:04

^ In good time, baba. The enemies of the state are wily. Networked. Fast. And amoral. But they are not so strong yet that are beyond fear. They can't see everywhere yet and have any GOI mantri removed at will. Yet. If reports of chidu organizing black thunder singlehandedly are true, he's no pushover. The enemy likely doesn't yet know what it has awoken. Like that wise saying goes (from Nietsche? Godfather?) "Don't wound what you cannot kill." And no, it ain't a Shivraj patil in MHA this time. Jai Ho.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 Oct 2009 22:54

RayC wrote:How many areas will the IA be spread out to curb forces inimical to India?

Has it the manpower for being sent out elsewhere, more so, when things are hotting up at the frontiers?

IA is not required to clear the Naxal threat. CRPF and Police forces are adequate, as AP Gray Hounds unit proved.

Parallelly the state govts must address the development issue and corruption issue in our forest regions.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 13 Oct 2009 07:58

no one is blaming "only" naxals. you made a promise that you'll confine your
particular POV to its own thread. kindly don't break it.
Rahul.