Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Oct 2009 09:17

Mush, the stand-up comedian
Watch how the cronies laugh when Mushy cracks a few.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Oct 2009 09:19

'Challenge to world conscience'-yes they were but the world did not insist on war crimes trials.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Oct 2009 10:27

This is not complete but preliminary pic.
The point to note is that pakistan is now going into South Waziristan, where the TTP has its base. Pakistan has done nothing from the start (Right after 911) to ever target the 3 major groups who are aimed towards Afghanistan. The Haqqani group is the one responsible for the two bomb attacks on the Indian Embassy in Kabul

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 10:30

Taliban Vow to defeat PA in Waziristan

A Taliban spokesman vowed the Islamist militants would fight to “our last drop of blood” to defend their stronghold of South Waziristan, predicting the Army would fail in its latest attempt to gain control over it.

The Taliban claimed to have inflicted “heavy casualties” and pushed advancing soldiers back into their bases. It was not possible to independently verify the claims because the army is blocking access to the battlefield and surrounding towns.

“We know how to fight this war and defeat the enemy with the minimum loss of our men,” Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq told The Associated Press from an undisclosed location. “This is a war imposed on us, and we will defend our land until our last man and our last drop of blood. This is a war bound to end in the defeat of the Pakistan Army.”

Accounts from residents and those fleeing on Sunday suggested that the some 30,000 government troops pushing into the region from three directions were facing much tougher resistance than they saw in the Swat Valley, another northwestern region where the army defeated the insurgents earlier this year.

“Militants are offering very tough resistance to any movement of troops,” Ehsan Mahsud, a resident of Makeen, a town in the region, told the AP in the town of Mir Ali, close to the battle zone. He and a friend arrived there early Sunday after travelling through the night.

Mr. Mahsud said the Army appeared to be mostly relying on airstrikes and artillery against militants occupying high ground. He said the insurgents were firing heavy machine guns at helicopter gunships, forcing the air force to use higher-flying jets.

Maulvi Nazir group decided to stay neutral

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Oct 2009 11:15

60 Taliban leaders escaped to Mideast via Karachi?

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 009_pg1_11

James B · Post by **James B** » 19 Oct 2009 12:47

On whose side is US anyway? US vacates checkposts ahead of SWA operation

ISLAMABAD: The US-led Nato forces vacated more than half a dozen key security checkposts on the Afghan side of the Pak-Afghan border just ahead of the major Pakistan Army ground offensive (code named: Rahe Nijaat) against Taliban-led militants in the volatile tribal area of South Waziristan, it is learnt.

It is feared that the American decision will facilitate Afghan Taliban in crossing over to Pakistan and support militants in striking back at the Pakistani security forces in the troubled tribal area.

Sources close to the NWFP government and military strategists involved in the planning of S Waziristan operation told The News over the weekend that the Americans vacated eight security checkposts on the Afghan side of the border just five days before the Army operation. Four of these close to South Waziristan including one each at Zambali and at Nurkha, and four in the north in the area of Nuristan where American forces recently came under violent attacks by the militants.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Oct 2009 15:04

Uncle is being smart. If a few animals go back to TSp and kill a few ex-trainer Abduls instead of killing GI Joes, it suits both purposes, it means less body bags returning to heartland America and it also means asking the TSP establishment to deal with s..t they created...or may be this is their way of doing us an indirect favor because the trainer-trainee battle leaves us in a good position..

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Oct 2009 15:11

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... 0920091019

More interesting news from animal planet - Now TSP animals have to fight another species - Iranian Mullas army crossing into their territory to deal with 'terrorists'

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Oct 2009 15:35

Iran v/s TSP should be interesting...Not all countries are India and Iran will not take loss of so many high ranking army men lightly..

NWFP and Balochistan will surely have lots more IED mubarak occasions...Hope the Iranians go after the ISI ( and do the job which Indians should have done, assuming we are doing nothing)

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Oct 2009 15:46

Simply doing things in Baluchistan and NWFP is meaningless as these are write-offs anyway in global opinion. A few more dying there in a blast is like a few dying of rail crash or road accident in India. No one cares.

Pakjab should be the target of Iran, if it wants to send a real message. Same goes for GOI.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Oct 2009 16:00

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 16:05

Suppiah wrote:http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... 0920091019

More interesting news from animal planet - Now TSP animals have to fight another species - Iranian Mullas army crossing into their territory to deal with 'terrorists'

In late May, 2009, Jundullah bombed a mosque in Zahedan in the Sistan-Baluchistan province which angered Iran warning Pakistan that it had “the power and military means to trace and hunt down terrorist groups in Pakistan if such activity is not stopped by Pakistan.”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 16:09

Held by the Taliban: Inside the Islamic Emirate - Part II

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 16:37

By Air & Ground, Pakistani Army penetrates Militant Heartland - NY Times

The Pakistani military moved deeper into South Waziristan on Sunday, hitting Taliban targets with F-16 fighter jets, as troops supported by helicopter gunships climbed higher into the mountainous terrain, according to military personnel and a spokesman for the militants. . . .a senior military official said “the level of resistance from the militants is not very high.”

But the Taliban said part of their strategy was to encourage the military to progress deeper into the militant enclave in the center of South Waziristan, and then tie the soldiers down with hit-and-run tactics that would keep the soldiers in a protracted campaign in the inhospitable terrain over the winter.

The Americans have quietly provided the Pakistani Air Force with new imaging systems for the F-16s that the Pakistani military says will be crucial in South Waziristan, according to an American official

The government first announced its intention to attack South Waziristan in June, giving the Taliban plenty of lead time to lay mines and prepare other defenses and communications

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Oct 2009 18:16

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jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 19 Oct 2009 18:28

You can send a Paki woman to get degrees from MIT and Harvard, but you still cannot take the Paki out of her, and you certainly cannot take the terrorist-love out of her. Here is this woman, talking about a talk she recently gave at Berkeley:

Understanding anti-Americanism

Surprisingly, few (in my Berkeley audience) were interested in drawing connections between Indo-Pak relations and anti-Americanism. In my talk, I had argued that Pakistan’s concerns about America’s involvement in its internal affairs are compounded by the strengthening partnership between the US and India. After all, Pakistan is still sore about America’s decision to offer a civilian nuclear deal to India and facilitate a larger role for India in Afghanistan.

Some Pakistanis also believe that if the US were truly committed to eradicating militancy, it would try to resolve the Kashmir issue with the end goal of freeing up Pakistani troops currently deployed along the eastern border. There is also the suspicion that America’s calls to eradicate militancy are part of an initiative to deprive Pakistan of the ‘strategic assets’ it has long cultivated against India.

Note the casual acceptance that (i) Pakistani mass murderes like Ajmal Kasab are "strategic assets" that have been carefully "cultivated", and (ii) anything that the US does to "deprive" Pakistan of such assets would make the US even more unpopular in TSP.

This contemptible Dawn editor needs to have a strategic meeting with a IDE laden TaliPaki very soon.

Link

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Oct 2009 18:39

..and she was surprised that the people aren't interested in buying her argument?

pakis live in a different world or what.

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 19 Oct 2009 19:29

jrjrao wrote:You can send a Paki woman to get degrees from MIT and Harvard, but you still cannot take the Paki out of her, and you certainly cannot take the terrorist-love out of her. Here is this woman, talking about a talk she recently gave at Berkeley:

Link

As one old BRFite said long time back " Jo Islamabad mein G***u,wo MIT aur Harvard mein bhi G***u "

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Oct 2009 19:37

Musharraf backs Waziristan operation

NEW YORK, Oct 19 (APP): Former President Pervez Musharraf on Sunday night underscored the importance of Pakistan military’s operation in South Waziristan as part of the efforts to stamp out militants, saying it was “very much needed.”

“I support what the government and army is doing to eliminate the threat of terrorism and extremism,” he said at a dinner hosted for him by the Pakistani-American community at a hotel in Staten Island, a borough of New York City.

But what really got my attention was:

The former president said that the only way forward for Pakistan is to have a “real functional democracy, with good governance.”

Of all the people, he should say that. Very apt leader for the islamic republic of banana land indeed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 20:53

Dilbu wrote:
The former president said that the only way forward for Pakistan is to have a “real functional democracy, with good governance.”

That's really tongue in deep cheek.

khaushik · Post by **khaushik** » 19 Oct 2009 23:10

I thought it was a good read how the folks around globe respond for the current situation in TSP.

The link below is from HYS of BBC. do sort it by the "Readers Recommended"

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread. ... #paginator

Regards,

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 19 Oct 2009 23:53

This is a leaflet from the TSPA being dropped to the Mehsuds in South Waziristan.

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_lib/1 ... 610e1e.jpg

Since it is only in Urdu and Pushto, I have transcribed the Urdu version below.

Gayyoor (proud) mehsud qabail ke naam mera paiGam

main is baat ka iqraar karta hoon ke hamare jamah qabail bashamool Gaiyyoor mehsud qabail pakistan ke vafadaar hain aur hamesha difa-e-pakistan ke liye balatankhwah(free) fauj ka kaam karte rahe hain. pakistan faul ki taraf se jaari operation ka maqsad Gayyor aur mahabb-e-watan mehsud qabail ko nishana banana hargiz nahin hai, balke iska maqsad mehsud qabail ko in zaalim aur dahshatgard anasar ke chungal se azad karana hai jinki vajah se ilaqe ka aman-o-sukoon tabah ho chuka hai. is maqsad ke pesh-e-nazar operation ke ahdaaf baltarteeb uzbek dehshatgard tamam Gair-mulki anasar aur maqami (local) dehshatgard hain.

fauj ka maqsad har qeemat par mehsud qabail ko dobara apne ilaqe mein aman-o-sukoon se rehne ka mauqa faraham karna hai. mujhe bharpoor ummeed hai ke mehsud qabail pakistan fauj ka bharpoor saath denge aur ba-jamaat khaRe hokar un zallim anasar ke Khilaaf hatmi karravai karenge takeh Pakistan ka sabze-hilali parcham ek martaba aab-o-taam ke saath mahabb-o-tan mehsud qabail ki sarzameen par lehraaye.

rahulm · Post by **rahulm** » 20 Oct 2009 00:50

Part 2 of Matt Wade's article where he follows the money Militants hide fund-raising behind welfare

...55 and 65 per cent of funding is raised within Pakistan.

and from Gulf and Europe! The "discoveries" are coming fast and thick.

Foreign donations remain an important source of finances, despite international efforts to stop cross-border support of extremist groups. This money was sourced predominantly from Gulf states and Europe...

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 20 Oct 2009 01:40

Sridhar, thanks for the transcription.
My urdu is no good. Any chance of a translation?

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 20 Oct 2009 02:43

My message to the proud Mehsud tribes

I accept that our various tribes, including the Mehsud tribe have been faithful to TSP and have always acted as a voluntary army for the defence of the terrorist state. The current operation of the Terrorist Army is certainly not to target the proud and patriotic Mehsud tribe, but it is to free them from the the clutches of oppressive and terrorist elements, due to whom peace and security in the region has been destroyed. As a result of this objective, the targets of this operation include Uzbek terrorists, all foreign elements and local terrorists.

The aim of the TSPA is to give the opportunity to the Mehsud tribe to live in peace and security in its areas at all costs. I trust that the Mehsud tribe will wholeheartedly support the TSPA and in a non-partisan way will act against the oppressive forces, so that the Terrorist Crescent and Star flag flies with H&D over the lands of the Mehsud tribe once again.

Can't blame anybody for being confused by this message. One terrorist-in-chief sending a message to a horde of terrorists that he is sending his army of terrorists to free the terrorists from other terrorists!

James B · Post by **James B** » 20 Oct 2009 03:33

Pakistan cuts deal with anti-American militants

Pakistan's army, in the midst of a major new offensive against Taliban militants, has struck deals to keep two powerful, anti-U.S. tribal chiefs from joining the battle against the government, officials said Monday.

The deals increase the chances of an army victory against Pakistan's enemy No. 1, but indicate that the 3-day-old assault into the Taliban's strongholds in South Waziristan may have less effect than the U.S. wants on a spreading insurgency across the border in Afghanistan.

Under the terms agreed to about three weeks ago, Taliban renegades Maulvi Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur will stay out of the current fight in parts of South Waziristan controlled by the Pakistani Taliban. They will also allow the army to move through their own lands unimpeded, giving the military additional fronts from which to attack the Taliban.
In exchange, the army will ease patrols and bombings in the lands controlled by Nazir and Bahadur, two Pakistani intelligence officials based in the region told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because revealing their identities would compromise their work.

Yogeshwar · Post by **Yogeshwar** » 20 Oct 2009 04:03

The Quality of Life Standard of ALL from that excuse of a nation whose name I never mention......

Irrespective of the question always drag India into it.

Third Question - -What is the biggest misconception Americans have of Pakistan?

GOLA Replies - Blah blah blah at the end of a long gas filled answer - - ----We are fairly developed. People have a high impression of India; I've been to India. In comparison Pakistan is far more developed, far more developed than India.

Patricia Sheridan's Breakfast With . . . Pervez Musharraf
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09292/1006566-129.stm

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09292/10 ... z0UQN2dCWH

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09292/1006566-129.stm

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 20 Oct 2009 04:24

Yogeshwar wrote: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09292/1006566-129.stm

GOLA Replies - Blah blah blah at the end of a long gas filled answer - - ----We are fairly developed. People have a high impression of India; I've been to India. In comparison Pakistan is far more developed, far more developed than India.

Gola must be such a hit at the parties with his ability to drop such pearlers with a deadpan expression.

ppatil · Post by **ppatil** » 20 Oct 2009 05:06

raghunath wrote:Pakistan cuts deal with anti-American militants

Pakistan's army, in the midst of a major new offensive against Taliban militants, has struck deals to keep two powerful, anti-U.S. tribal chiefs from joining the battle against the government, officials said Monday.

The deals increase the chances of an army victory against Pakistan's enemy No. 1, but indicate that the 3-day-old assault into the Taliban's strongholds in South Waziristan may have less effect than the U.S. wants on a spreading insurgency across the border in Afghanistan.

Under the terms agreed to about three weeks ago, Taliban renegades Maulvi Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur will stay out of the current fight in parts of South Waziristan controlled by the Pakistani Taliban. They will also allow the army to move through their own lands unimpeded, giving the military additional fronts from which to attack the Taliban.
In exchange, the army will ease patrols and bombings in the lands controlled by Nazir and Bahadur, two Pakistani intelligence officials based in the region told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because revealing their identities would compromise their work.

Please stop spreading anti pakistan propoganda

. They are going after bad taliban onlee

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Oct 2009 06:28

^^Looks the operation is aptly named..Rahe-na-Ijjat.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2009 07:30

Pakistan's Big Battle - Editorial in The Hindu
Excerpts

In 2008, the Inter-Services Intelligence chief, Lt. Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, famously referred to the Taliban leader, Beithullah Mehsud, who was killed two months ago in a U.S. missile strike, as a “patriotic” Pakistani. . . .

Can the military offensive succeed? The Pakistan Army declared victory in Swat, but it is widely believed that the militants simply melted away into the mountains. Very few of the Swat Taliban leaders were caught. South Waziristan is a larger area with an estimated 10,000 battle-hardened militants and a terrain more treacherous. The other question is whether an operation in South Waziristan is sufficient in itself. In the last few terror attacks, the Taliban’s alliances with a number of militant groups based in South Punjab, including anti-India groups such as the Jaish-e-Mohammed, have emerged in clear light. Predictably, the Army has downplayed the significance of these linkages, emphasising that South Waziristan alone is the ‘centre of gravity of terrorism.’ It is quite conceivable that the country’s security establishment remains reluctant to root out the jihadist militants who have served as its allies against India. What it needs to realise is that it can no longer afford to overlook this threat to state and society.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2009 07:51

PA seeks Mehsud tribe's support

On the third day of the offensive, Army Chief Ashfaq Pervez Kayani made the extraordinary move of writing an open letter to the Mehsud tribes of South Waziristan, from whom most of the militants in the area are drawn, reassuring them that the operation was not aimed at them, but only against terrorists. He requested their support for the offensive.

In the open letter, publicised on the Inter-Services Public Relations website, General Kayani solicited the support of the Mehsud tribes for the ground offensive in South Waziristan, telling them that the purpose of the operation was “to liberate them from cruel terrorists”.

He laid out three objectives of the operation, presumably in order of importance: to eliminate Uzbek terrorists; to eliminate “foreign” terrorists, possibly a reference to Arab fighters; and to eliminate local terrorists.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 20 Oct 2009 08:53

In retaliation to the recent attack on the Iranian Revolutionary guards there isn't much Iran can do against Pakistan. There are no Hizbollah-like force handy in Pakistan to do their bidding. To be sure, ofcourse there are several Shia terrorist organizations but their power compared to Sunni terror gangs is much limited. If Iran decides to unleash these groups against either the PA, ISI or any other Sunni terror gangs the net result will be large scale massacre of Shias in Pakistan. The Shias are already under seige even without provocations from Iran. Their predicament will only increase if Iran decided to engage in covert warfare.

The Shias in Pakistan are an asset for the Iranians who are facing demographic decline in Iran. The increasing population in Pakistan (both Shia and Sunnis) is a source both the Wahabi power brokers and Persian power brokers hope to tap in the future. Iran cannot afford to expose this source to danger when the situaiton at home is already precarious.

However, Ahmadinejad must do something to keep the wolves around him satisfied. How would he re-act? What would he do? Interesting times indeed.
Avram

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 20 Oct 2009 09:18

godless against believers, this will be interesting:

If Taliban attack India, we’ll fight them: Maoist

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Oct 2009 09:29

Nitesh wrote:godless against believers, this will be interesting:

If Taliban attack India, we’ll fight them: Maoist

Soundbytes. Thats exactly what the "good tellibunnies" were saying to the porki establishment when it was thought that evil Yindia might attack pukistan. I am sure there is a link somewhere on this thread.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Oct 2009 09:35

Meeting Resistance, Pakistan Touts Progress in Offensive

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Oct 2009 09:35

Nitesh wrote:godless against believers, this will be interesting:

If Taliban attack India, we’ll fight them: Maoist

It is an attempt to gain popularity among the masses. Any one who rallies against India will be a friend in the minds of TSP aam abduls. Maoists are looking to exploit the same sentiments. It is an attempt to gain legitimacy also.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 20 Oct 2009 09:38

anupmisra wrote:
Nitesh wrote: Soundbytes. Thats exactly what the "good tellibunnies" were saying to the porki establishment when it was thought that evil Yindia might attack pukistan. I am sure there is a link somewhere on this thread.
Sound bytes are ok anup saar but what is alarming is this, they are already tied up kinda Paki and Chinese setup

Kishenji, however, has claimed that the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist) or CPI (Maoist) has strong ties with ultra-Left wing and alleged terrorist outfits, including Kashmiri separatists, from at least 36 countries. The beheading of Jharkhand special branch inspector Francis Induwar earlier this month has been seen as a Taliban-style execution.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2009 10:04

The Iran Trouble

Revolutionary Guards Corps chief General Muhammad Ali Jafari said on Monday an Iranian delegation would head to Pakistan to deliver “proof” that Islamabad is supporting Rigi. “The delegation will ask for him (Rigi) to be handed over,” Jafari was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2009 10:09

Sen. Kerry meets civilian and military leaders of TSP

“As of today, it seems to me that the Pakistani leadership, civil and military”, is on the same page, said Senator John Kerry in a select briefing in Islamabad with six senior journalists. He was asked whether the Kerry-Lugar Bill and its subsequent clarification had found acceptance in the power centres of Pakistan.

Senator Kerry was on a brief visit to Pakistan because he was “concerned that a straight forward effort has been misinterpreted”. He said that the US’ statement of clarification on the KLB “could not be clearer”. He cautioned that “we should not play to cheap galleries here”. He aslo said, “if you don’t want the money, say so. We’re not forcing you to take it”.

Senator Kerry said that his meetings with civilian and military leaders had been “very positive”.

The senator was returning to the US embassy from a “brief lunch” with Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Nawaz Sharif. Senator Kerry said that Mr Sharif had asked for “further clarification” on some points but that the senator did not see that as a problem and the meeting was “very positive”.

He used the same words for his meetings with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani and ISI Director General Gen Shuja Pasha.

One journalist referred to a lead story in a national daily according to which the US had pulled out its forces from Afghanistan border posts near South Waziristan, making it easy for Taliban to cross over into Afghanistan and thus subvert the Pakistan Army’s Operation Rah-e-Nijat. Senator Kerry said he had heard no such thing. When asked if Generals Kayani or Pasha had raised the presumed removal of US border forces as an issue, Senator Kerry categorically said “they had not”.

He further explained that he was a friend of Pakistan and that is why he had worked long and hard to put together this assistance for “the people of Pakistan”.

He said that this was a difficult time for the US economy and when allocating taxpayers’ money to foreign countries, lawmakers have to be satisfied about its usages. He said this was particularly true in the case of Pakistan where in the past American money had been allocated by Pakistani governments for purposes for which it was not meant.

He was asked questions to clarify the wording with regard to caveats associated with spending the KLB money on Pakistan’s nuclear programme. Senator Kerry said that those caveats were to make sure that Pakistan did not spend this money on purposes for which it is not intended, like arming to “fight wars with India”.

Senator Kerry’s body language was weary and disappointed, although he was careful not to use such negative words. He simply said that he was in Pakistan to clarify his intention to help Pakistanis and he was “concerned” that those not be misconstrued.

He finished on a light note by saying that he had “never had so much difficulty in trying to give away $ 7.5 billion”. The unsaid subtext of Senator Kerry’s presentation was: take it or leave it.

He said in these difficult times, Americans wanted to know why so much money was being given to Pakistan when “we need it badly in California or Oklahoma or other parts of the US”.