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Activists target PC for ‘war on Maoists’
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New Delhi, Oct. 19: A group of activists has cautioned the government against launching a “war on Maoists” and alleged that the security offensive was being mounted to favour Indian and multinational corporate interests keen to exploit the natural resources of Naxalite-held areas.

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan, who was among many who addressed a protest gathering today, made a pointed conflict-of-interest allegation against Union home minister P. Chidambaram.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091020/j ... 633116.jsp

These champagne Maoists have ceased to be funny. It is time this Bhushan chap landed in jail where he can give his speeches to mosquitoes in the night. I fail to understand why the Indian government does not pass an "Overground supporters of Maoists Suppression Act" and arrest these people for openly siding with rebels waging war against India? Why this softness? Does speaking English give some kind of immunity to anti-nationals in India from government action? "Hey, don't arrrest me because I speak English and appear in NDTV studios!"
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sanjaychoudhry wrote:
Activists target PC for ‘war on Maoists’
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, Oct. 19: A group of activists has cautioned the government against launching a “war on Maoists” and alleged that the security offensive was being mounted to favour Indian and multinational corporate interests keen to exploit the natural resources of Naxalite-held areas.

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan, who was among many who addressed a protest gathering today, made a pointed conflict-of-interest allegation against Union home minister P. Chidambaram.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091020/j ... 633116.jsp

These champagne Maoists have ceased to be funny. It is time this Bhushan chap landed in jail where he can give his speeches to mosquitoes in the night. I fail to understand why the Indian government does not pass an "Overground supporters of Maoists Suppression Act" and arrest these people for openly siding with rebels waging war against India? Why this softness? Does speaking English give some kind of immunity to anti-nationals in India from government action? "Hey, don't arrrest me because I speak English and appear in NDTV studios!"
I support your suggestion and if the govt cant bring in such a legislation then at least ask the police not to register cases if people start lining up at such jholawalla's house with sharpened sickles and hammer for a lively chat. Let them too feel the pain that people under maoist occupation are feeling right now.
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sanjaychoudhry wrote:
Activists target PC for ‘war on Maoists’
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, Oct. 19: A group of activists has cautioned the government against launching a “war on Maoists” and alleged that the security offensive was being mounted to favour Indian and multinational corporate interests keen to exploit the natural resources of Naxalite-held areas.

Lawyer Prashant Bhushan, who was among many who addressed a protest gathering today, made a pointed conflict-of-interest allegation against Union home minister P. Chidambaram.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091020/j ... 633116.jsp

These champagne Maoists have ceased to be funny. It is time this Bhushan chap landed in jail where he can give his speeches to mosquitoes in the night. I fail to understand why the Indian government does not pass an "Overground supporters of Maoists Suppression Act" and arrest these people for openly siding with rebels waging war against India? Why this softness? Does speaking English give some kind of immunity to anti-nationals in India from government action? "Hey, don't arrrest me because I speak English and appear in NDTV studios!"
Pretty close. The "champagne Maoists" (love that phrase) have close ties to the power elites, and in turn everyone has ties with western influenciati. So, they enjoy immunity.
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Since when did protecting the indigenous religious traditions if Indian tribals (rather than harvesting their souls) become a priority of the Church?

Church of England official to visit Orissa mining site: http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/c ... e/4640.htm
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 137342.cms

Foreigners visiting terror zone identified
TNN 19 October 2009, 06:44am IST

KOLKATA: Intelligence officers have reportedly identified the two English-speaking foreigners who had sneaked into the Maoist-dominated forested
terrains of Jharkhand and Lalgarh in April this year. During grilling, two top Maoist leaders reportedly revealed the names of the foreigner duo Allen Durand and Tim Smith.

According to intelligence sources, the duo arrived in India on April 22, introducing themselves as liaison officers of a foreign NGO interested to work in the tribal belts of India. The sources claimed that they reached the Maoist camp with Amitava Bagchi, a politburo member of CPI (Maoist). Bagchi was arrested by Jharkhand police around a month ago.

During interrogation, the top Maoist leader reportedly told the investigators that he used to liaise between the Indian Maoists and their overseas sympathizers.

"Bagchi used to collect funds from the Western countries. And recently, the Maoists have taken a new strategy to collect funds. They have been approaching several Western NGOs, highlighting the poverty and distressed condition of the tribals and collecting money for tribal welfare," said a senior intelligence officer. The two foreigners might have got in touch with Bagchi who posed as a rights and social activist responding to one such appeal, said sources.

The agencies, however, are still in the dark about the identity of the visitors, as both the foreigners had reportedly spent a few weeks in Jangalmahal deep into the forested terrain of Jharkhand and met the rebel leaders active in the area. They collected documents, photographs and video clippings of the tribal upsurge in Lalgarh.

"We have reasons to believe that the duo had sneaked into the area in the guise of NGO workers with some specific assignment. Their movements suggest that they had come for first-hand experience and were looking for information about the tribal movement," said an investigator. The probe suggests that after spending a few weeks in Jharkhand, the duo had entered Lalgarh. "During interrogation of some arrested rebel leaders in Jharkhand, it was learnt that they had left duo near Purulia border," said another investigator.

Senior officers of different intelligence agencies are worried and suspect that the Maoists have already managed to extract funds from some foreign NGOs. They are not even ruling out the possibility of foreign intelligence agents taking this opportunity and sneaking into the Maoist-dominated areas.

The intelligence agencies are now scanning the activities of some Western NGOs working here. "Till date, some Indian mass organisations and NGOs had been under our scanner, who were believed to be working as frontal wings of the red rebels. Now the NGOs with foreign connection who are working at different pockets of Maoist-dominated states like Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and West Bengal will also be under vigil," said a senior officer.
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Singha wrote:
During interrogation, the top Maoist leader reportedly told the investigators that he used to liaise between the Indian Maoists and their overseas sympathizers.

"Bagchi used to collect funds from the Western countries. And recently, the Maoists have taken a new strategy to collect funds. They have been approaching several Western NGOs, highlighting the poverty and distressed condition of the tribals and collecting money for tribal welfare," said a senior intelligence officer.

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Senior officers of different intelligence agencies are worried and suspect that the Maoists have already managed to extract funds from some foreign NGOs. They are not even ruling out the possibility of foreign intelligence agents taking this opportunity and sneaking into the Maoist-dominated areas.

The intelligence agencies are now scanning the activities of some Western NGOs working here. "Till date, some Indian mass organisations and NGOs had been under our scanner, who were believed to be working as frontal wings of the red rebels. Now the NGOs with foreign connection who are working at different pockets of Maoist-dominated states like Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and West Bengal will also be under vigil," said a senior officer.
So, what has been suspected for a long time on BRF appears to be true.

Now let's see how far Chidambaram is able to take this (or how far he's allowed to take it). IMHO, he'd better be ultra-careful about his security.
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typically european/australian/NZ NGOs and fake fronts are used as a smoke screen/addl layer of indirection to protect the root nodes.
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Some Newslink: During interrogation, the top Maoist leader reportedly told the investigators that he used to liaise between the Indian Maoists and their overseas sympathizers. "Bagchi used to collect funds from the Western countries. And recently, the Maoists have taken a new strategy to collect funds. They have been approaching several Western NGOs, highlighting the poverty and distressed condition of the tribals and collecting money for tribal welfare," said a senior intelligence officer.


Pranav: So, what has been suspected for a long time on BRF appears to be true.
Some 2.5 years ago, I had started a thread titled as "Christianist menace in India and World". Many BRites made allegations that I am anti-Christian, this thread is anti-Christian etc, got that thread deleted and also got me banned !! IMO, it is time we start thread with SAME heading. I wont dare take chances, and so I would request someone else to do it.

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As per Chiddu, he is a pawn of US. So he will only kill those Naxals who are anti-Christianist and let the pro-Christianist naxals thrive. If anyone has hopes that Chiddu/MMS are anti-Naxals, they are fooling themselves. For a person to be anti-Naxal, he has to be pro-India first. MMS/Chiddu are so anti-India that even Paki will be left behind.

Any hopes that Chiddu/MMS will kill pro-Christianist naxals is a pipe dream.
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The intelligence agencies are now scanning the activities of some Western NGOs working here. "Till date, some Indian mass organisations and NGOs had been under our scanner, who were believed to be working as frontal wings of the red rebels. Now the NGOs with foreign connection who are working at different pockets of Maoist-dominated states like Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and West Bengal will also be under vigil," said a senior officer.
Whats significant here isn't the fact that these NGO fronts exist to funnel arms, money, intell and other help to the maopests but the fact that the desi agencies are openly talking about it in our own media - i.e. publicly committing to tabs and curbs on the overground gandus.

I suspect significant pressure behind the scenes to delay, divert or otherwise derail the coming offensive. Such public commitments on parts of the yindian state (not the elected netaship which says thing s with only an eye on the next polls) are a hopeful sign, IMVHO.
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So now they are ready to fight the Taliban. ha ha ha. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The same Koteswar Rao telling on TV ( I think it is Times Now) some days back the our Jihadi brothers are his comrades as they are fighting US imperialist forces. I am sorry I do not remember his words exactly because you can not remember the rubbish talk in toto.

Now our Jholawalas (leftist gang like A Roy and others) have started attacking PC alleging that he is doing this for the mininng interests. The same can also be said about these Jholawalas that they are for China and that is why they are trying to undermine every (half hearted) action of Indian Governament to crush this Pro China terrorists.

We have to see if the exiting laws are not sufficient to act on these people who openly support banned terror organisations. I think no one has seen the law books carefully. Governament is naturally not interested to act on these people.

I am now starting an effort to see what the present laws on terror funding and supporting activities these people are doing. Is there any one willing to join my effort. In case any one is interested you can join me. We can do something instead of just posting things online. email me at [email protected]
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http://www.dailypioneer.com/210074/Maoi ... -bank.html
In a first such operation in West Bengal, Maoists on Tuesday raided a police station, shot dead two police officers and kidnapped the officer-in-charge in West Midnapore district, where they also looted a bank.

The Maoists numbering around 50, including women, arrived in two groups on motorcycles and headed for the police station and the State Bank of India branch nearby, police said.

At the police station, they opened fire killing the second officer Dibakar Bhattacharya and kidnapped officer-in-charge Atindranath Dutta and an assistant sub-inspector Swapan Roy, sources said.
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What has our dear Maheswati Devi and Aparna Sen, these so called intellectuals, have to say of it?

Why are these cute women silent now?

Fearing arrest?

Brave under favourable weather and cowards otherwise, which they are!

Using everything to be in the limelight and then running scared!

Typical Indian core mentality. Pontificate. And then be afraid to face reality!
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Bihar wants 20 extra battalions for anti-Naxal operations
Why Bihar won’t be easy


• For Bihar and Jharkhand, Naxals have two special area committees — Eastern Central Regional Bureau and Northern Regional Bureau. These committees apart from the Uttar Pradesh, Uttar Bihar and Uttaranchal special area committees control Bihar ops.

• The Bihar-Jharkhand area is divided into zones — Magadh, Central, Sone Ganga-Vindhyachal, Jamui, Bhagalpur, Banka, Munger and Lakhisarai zone, and Koel-Sangh zone.

• Parallel to these administrative zones, a central military commission, special area military commission and regional military commission, zonal command, sub-zonal command and area command look after military planning and strategies at respective levels. Besides, there is People’s Liberation Guerilla Army working as a specialised force.

• If at main levels, Naxals have special zonal/state military commissions, at secondary levels, they have zonal, divisional, district forces. Their base force are village defence squads.

• Pramod Mishra alias Banbiharji, now in Ranchi jail, and Jagdish Master, both from Bihar, are the top leaders. They call themselves members and do not bear any designations.

• The other senior leader is Central Committee secretary Ganpati from Andhra. The committee has 18 members, two of them from Bihar.

• The arrested Naxal leaders include Rampravesh Baitha, Jehanabad jailbreak mastermind Ajay Kanu, Lalbabu Saini alias Bhaskarji and his brother Devendra Saini.
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RayC wrote:What has our dear Maheswati Devi and Aparna Sen, these so called intellectuals, have to say of it?

Why are these cute women silent now?

Fearing arrest?

Brave under favourable weather and cowards otherwise, which they are!

Using everything to be in the limelight and then running scared!

Typical Indian core mentality. Pontificate. And then be afraid to face reality!
Ouch. :rotfl: well said. 8)
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RayC wrote:What has our dear Maheswati Devi and Aparna Sen, these so called intellectuals, have to say of it?

Why are these cute women silent now?

Fearing arrest?

Brave under favourable weather and cowards otherwise, which they are!

Using everything to be in the limelight and then running scared!

Typical Indian core mentality. Pontificate. And then be afraid to face reality!
Typical leftist mentality.
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It is going to be impossible to curb the Maoists without infiltrating their ranks very, very thoroughly.

Moles are the Achilles' heels of such organizations.

Think about it... to raid a small police station, 50-plus of them come together. That means at least 50 know about the plan (quite unlike, for instance, jihadi cells where even ten is a large number to be involved in an operation). Many times we hear of Maoists attacking by the hundreds!

Infiltrating Maoist cadres at the rate of even 2% will not only yield invaluable intel... it will also have a devastating psychological effect. These people are motivated by what they believe to be a "cause", to live far from civilization's amenities and wage war against the state. The presence of moles permeating their organization will crush their morale... especially after some of their large raids meet with spectacular reversals, and some of their HQs are compromised.

I'd say this is as important as sending in combat units... and it is especially important for the protection of combat units themselves.

So far, available evidence indicates that it is not an aspect the GOI has been paying attention to. If we had sufficient moles gathering intel, would the Maoists be able to ambush our men as often as they have?
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Had a talk with a top shot in one of the central para-military forces. Some data points regarding the Maoists/Naxalites.

1. Evolved org structure, similar to the Army. Organized "zones" like Army's commands across geographical areas.

2. Every zone has a budget, recruitment quota. Money comes from external funding and local exhortation channels.

3. A killed Maoist/Naxalite is always replaced with someone from another zone. Succession plans / command chain is only known to the central committee.

4. Zonal leadership/command structure is rotated periodically.

5. Police/CPMF are not able to eliminate command chains due to #3 and #4.

6. Very dedicated cadre, intelligence cannot be "bought" as key people are paid well and they are not susceptible to bribery/buy-outs by intelligence outfits.

7. Detected infiltration attempts in CPMFs. This has made intel sharing very difficult.

8. Police station raids are mainly for comm equipment (also sometime armoury)

9. Police arms is sought for lowly cadre. Your quality of issued weaponry improves as you go up the ranks. Light firearms are specially issued to women cadre

10. Police communication is regularly intercepted (via stolen/looted WL sets of course) for ambush

11. Never fight face-to-face. They avoid own casualties. This will explain (along with #10) high police casualties and almost negligible Maoist casualties.
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^^ How has it been possible for such a thing to evolve under the GOI's very noses? I've been watching the Red Menace ever since I started the first incarnation of this thread, but if the above post is accurate, I'm taken aback by the extent of organization, C&C and especially money that these Maoists have acquired. How the hell did this happen, and where did they get it from?
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Here is a blog I picked up from Vikram Sood's twitter page.
http://naveenjames.blogspot.com/?spref=tw
They had a very organised way of working as they moved in groups called Dalam.Each of these dalams had a chief who decided on the agenda of his designated areas.I can hardly recall any presence of police or the Govt machinery in these places.One of my friends uncles was the head master of a upper primary school in a place called Addatheegala in Rampachodavaram.He used to tell us stories of how young boys and girls were given training in shooting rifles by the Annalu by force and they were helpless as no govt machinery would come to their rescue.The Annalu also ensured that no devolopment happend and the population would stay cut off from the rest of the world.
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Maoists may be organized however they are extremely neutralized/controlled in AP (perceptionally AP is the capital of naxalites) while they are carrying their acts at will in states like Bihar and WB. Irrespective of their organizational skills their backs are broken where there is will.

It is important to neutralize their frontal organizations and personalities. Example:
1) Civil liberties organizations
2) Folks like Gaddhar, Vara Vara Rao who are open supporters of Naxalites and they were arrested several times and now they even come on TV interviews. The states have encounter speceialists and these types of folks should have been eliminated long time back.

Many folks inside the Left parties should have been neutralized. There was an AP CM named Jalagam Vengal Rao who did exactly what is needed to neutralize red menace.
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Rebels kill cops in police station, kidnap OC and loot bank
Sankrail (West Midnapore), Oct. 20: Maoists led by a young woman today launched their most audacious strike in Bengal in years, riding bikes to a police station, killing two officers and taking the officer-in-charge hostage while robbing a nearby bank.

The 40-minute afternoon attack in West Midnapore’s Sankrail, just 70km from Midnapore town where state police chief Bhupinder Singh was camping, was marked by careful planning but capricious killings.

The rebels shot two sub-inspectors dead with their automatic weapons but spared a third who fell at their feet, letting him go after making him do squats holding his ears. At the bank where they met no resistance, they fired at the unarmed cashier, who somehow ducked and saved himself.
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Muppalla wrote:Maoists may be organized however they are extremely neutralized/controlled in AP (perceptionally AP is the capital of naxalites) while they are carrying their acts at will in states like Bihar and WB. Irrespective of their organizational skills their backs are broken where there is will.
Rudradev wrote:^^ How has it been possible for such a thing to evolve under the GOI's very noses? I've been watching the Red Menace ever since I started the first incarnation of this thread, but if the above post is accurate, I'm taken aback by the extent of organization, C&C and especially money that these Maoists have acquired.

How the hell did this happen, and where did they get [money, weapons] from?
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Rudradev, this naxal-friendly entry needs your artwork in comments section. Swept everything under broad brush strokes.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/the-s ... criminals/
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CNN-IBN: One violence does not justify the other.
Arundhati Roy: It does not. But you are making an equivalent of somebody who has air power and nuclear power and armies against poor people.

Do our maoists know that our bums fizzled while they sizzled?
Govt at war with Naxals to aid MNCs: Arundhati
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Maopests have a weak link, seems like. If their phoren funding, orders, sources, arms etc are cutoff - then its is doubtful they can sustain themselves for long. Quite unlike the nepali maopests, I must add. Its critical they not reach a level of self-sustenance only.

Why ARoy getting any PR at all, I have to wonder? Tell me that entire segment on yankee stooge cnn-ibn is not paid propagandu..... Anyway, good to see ARoy associate herself with maopest-defence. Whatever cause she takes up flops miserbaly, going by track record.
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Rudradev wrote:It is going to be impossible to curb the Maoists without infiltrating their ranks very, very thoroughly.
This worked quite well in Kerala, and the then CB CID DIG joking that at the end of it 50% of the naxalites were actually CID policemen. I have heard that the TN Police also used the same tactic to get hold of Veerappan. It took around 2 years effort, with no obvious police action but a planned introduction of police informers in Veerappan territory. Slow and steady intelligence gathering picked up the momentum. Slowly the net was tightened and then poor Veeru met his death in an ambulance :lol:.

If not already done the agencies should now have their people placed in the naxalite infested areas in some pretext or other.
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Is it really possible to have such a wide spread as the Naxalites do purely on money from extortion? If not, who else are the funders? The numbers quoted earlier are mind boggling in terms of the arms they possess.
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Sachin wrote:
Rudradev wrote:It is going to be impossible to curb the Maoists without infiltrating their ranks very, very thoroughly.
This worked quite well in Kerala, and the then CB CID DIG joking that at the end of it 50% of the naxalites were actually CID policemen. I have heard that the TN Police also used the same tactic to get hold of Veerappan. It took around 2 years effort, with no obvious police action but a planned introduction of police informers in Veerappan territory. Slow and steady intelligence gathering picked up the momentum. Slowly the net was tightened and then poor Veeru met his death in an ambulance :lol:.

If not already done the agencies should now have their people placed in the naxalite infested areas in some pretext or other.
Not sure about Kerala, how it was tackled. But...

Will the scorched earth policy applied in Bengal in 60s-70s be possible to applied now under full media (domestic and international) glare?

Secondly, the current day Maoists are a different breed than the Naxalites of the original movement.

Infiltration? What infiltration? :x The Jharkhand cop, Francis Induwar was a special branch officer and he prolly never wore an uniform in last many years. Yet, he was tracked, located, hounded out and beheaded in a gruesome manner.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Maopests have a weak link, seems like. If their phoren funding, orders, sources, arms etc are cutoff - then its is doubtful they can sustain themselves for long. Quite unlike the nepali maopests, I must add. Its critical they not reach a level of self-sustenance only.
they are self-sufficient already. even if foreign funding is cut-off that will not dry up the funds.
they will raise funds the same way the NE terror groups do, extortion and loot.

even now they raise lot of money from road and other infrastructure contractors and mine operators. add the recent bank robbery in WB. the modus operandi is clear.
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they are self-sufficient already. even if foreign funding is cut-off that will not dry up the funds.
they will raise funds the same way the NE terror groups do, extortion and loot.

even now they raise lot of money from road and other infrastructure contractors and mine operators. add the recent bank robbery in WB. the modus operandi is clear.
Then its a lost cause. The best the state can then hope for is to fight a holding op and prevent the maoists spreading their influence outside their current red zones. Dilli can not, will not (and perhaps should not) do whatever it takes to crush the Maoist menace. We can't prolly do it without losing our dharmic soul. Lets do the next best thing then.

And yup, at least scrap these phoren visitors visas. Cut back on unkilian consulates (should be possible within a coupla yrs w/o much aam aadmi pain as khanate khanomy continues to tank).
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Hari Seldon wrote:Dilli can not, will not (and perhaps should not) do whatever it takes to crush the Maoist menace.
Please request the admins make this quote a sticky. Seriously...
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Ok guru log for the uninitiated do we have relevant links or pics that illustrate the states which have been affected by this menace , the new regions which are at risk of being affected.And lastly is there a political angle to this ? I mean are there certain political parties which have been known to support or sympathize with these groups ?

In the mean time I shall trawl this thread for info. :)
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Ghandy denied bail, to undergo medical test

A Delhi court on Thursday rejected the bail petition of top Maoist leader Kobad Ghandy and directed the All India Institute of Medical Sciences to find out whether he is medically fit to undergo a narco-analysis test as requested by the police.

Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Kaveri Baweja directed the Medical Superintendent of the premier institute to constitute a medical board to ascertain the health condition of Ghandy and asked him to file a report in the court in this regard by October 29.

The court passed the order after Ghandy's lawyer strongly opposed the plea of the Delhi Police for conducting narco-analysis test on him on the ground that he was suffering from heart disease and cannot withstand such a test.

Delhi Police had on Wednesday moved the application for conduct of narco-analysis test on Ghandy arguing that they could not extract "all useful" information due to his non-cooperation despite using all scientific methods during the interrogation.

Rebecca M John, the counsel for the accused, also contended that consent of the accused in conducting such tests should be mandatory and said that the issue of whether consent of the accused was necessary for such a test is still pending in the Supreme Court.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/ ... l-test.htm
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SRoy wrote:Not sure about Kerala, how it was tackled. But...
There was a strong political will and this did help tackling the menace in an efficient and ruthless manner. The media in Kerala did many a hatchet job on the police force and their ways of dealing with the naxalites. But with a strong political will all that was clearly kept aside. The police officers (and even politicians) continued to be in service and no one was unduly penalised, just to make the human rights champions and traitors happy. Today 30 years down the line the only sour losers are the naxalites themselves. We find a some of them now in the garb of a Sai Baba devotee, Pastor etc. :).
Yet, he was tracked, located, hounded out and beheaded in a gruesome manner.
Even in Kerala, there have been cases in which police stations were attacked, policemen killed and maimed. It is brutal and my sympathies are with the police. But this is going to be a long-haul job.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Maopests have a weak link, seems like. If their phoren funding, orders, sources, arms etc are cutoff - then its is doubtful they can sustain themselves for long. Quite unlike the nepali maopests, I must add. Its critical they not reach a level of self-sustenance only.

Why ARoy getting any PR at all, I have to wonder? Tell me that entire segment on yankee stooge cnn-ibn is not paid propagandu..... Anyway, good to see ARoy associate herself with maopest-defence. Whatever cause she takes up flops miserbaly, going by track record.
Cutting of money-link is impossible, money flows like winds and no customs check posts can stop them. And given that our PM/HomeMins have history of giving pardons to those who drop arms via planes, no one is scared of dropping arms inside India. And borders between Nepal/India are also porous enough that weapons can be shipped thru, as long as they have money. So only way to cut money coming from MNCs/Christianists is to beg before MNCs/Christianists, beg them not to send money to Naxals and accept their conditions. This is a worse option, though Mahatma MMS and Chhote Mahatma Chiddu would gladly agree with this option.

In addition, naxals also make money from MNCs in mining. The MNCs in mining use Naxals to kill rival mining contractors so that the royalty bids remain low. It is a win-win situation for MNCs as well as Naxals, not extortion as many believeand Neta-babu dont care as they too get hefty bribes from MNCs to keep the royalty low.
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Hari Seldon wrote: Then its a lost cause. The best the state can then hope for is to fight a holding op and prevent the maoists spreading their influence outside their current red zones. Dilli can not, will not (and perhaps should not) do whatever it takes to crush the Maoist menace. We can't prolly do it without losing our dharmic soul. Lets do the next best thing then.

And yup, at least scrap these phoren visitors visas. Cut back on unkilian consulates (should be possible within a coupla yrs w/o much aam aadmi pain as khanate khanomy continues to tank).
It is not difficult to infiltrate them or track them down. They have to make contact with people for food and extortion. IMHO they could be liquidated in a few months if the powers that be really wanted to do it. The question is of political will.
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Agreed money flow can not be stopped fully. But it can be cut drastically by resolute action. Running a war even a gorrilla war is a costly one. It will deminish their power and may give some opening to the Intel people to infilitrate etc. Every bit of action in every possible area which is helpful has to be done and cutting money and publicity is the main thing which can be done with very little loss to life of the forces. Only resolve is needed. Remember in war every effort is to be made to win and nothing shall be left unattended. Strong economic set up is needed for any force to fight a long battle

On brother has responded to join me in finding what we can do under the law to cut down the funds is there any one else out there my email id is [email protected].
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sometime ago, during caste wars in undivided-bihar, the upper and lower castes had their own 'senas' supplied by indigenous gun factories and stolen weapons.

it seems the lower caste segment of these have blended with the broad maoist pantheon now ?
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Agreed money flow can not be stopped fully. But it can be cut drastically by resolute action
All insurgencies which are run by a heirarchical leadership can be tackled by cutting off the fund supply and targetting the top leaders. (It is usually futile to focus on foot-soldiers who can be easily replaced.)

Each state police in India should have a dedicated group with only one full-time purpose -- trace and hit the Maoists at the top. Currently, the police is too focused on tackling the illiterate foot-soldiers. That is why they are finding it difficult to eradicate the menace. Killing foot-soldiers is useless and takes too much resources and manpower. Focussing fully on bumping off top leaders is the key. I am glad police has begun to realise this now, as arrest of Ghandi (who drinks mineral water only) shows.

Second thing is to dry out all funding sources that enable payment of salaries to foot-soldiers -- stop giving government contracts in Naxal affected areas, have strict control on tendu leave sales (burn the trees if need be) and stop the church "charity" money coming in from America to tribal areas. Stopping the latter is the most important as this Maoist insurgency is an American creation.
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