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Singha wrote:
1. sometime ago, during caste wars in undivided-bihar, the upper and lower castes had their own 'senas' supplied by indigenous gun factories and stolen weapons.

2. it seems the lower caste segment of these have blended with the broad maoist pantheon now ?
1. Yes.

2. Yes

The higher caste senas went out of circulation, as police/judiciary openly sided with uppers and so there was no need for a sena. This made lower caste sena flee to forests . And there, they started getting money from Christianists/MNCs, and now they are several times stronger.
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sanjaychoudhry wrote:
Second thing is to dry out all funding sources that enable payment of salaries to foot-soldiers -- stop giving government contracts in Naxal affected areas, have strict control on tendu leave sales (burn the trees if need be) and stop the church "charity" money coming in from America to tribal areas. Stopping the latter is the most important as this Maoist insurgency is an American creation.
The bolded parts do not make any sense. For any GoI machinery to work, there has to be some amount of infrastructure. Can counter-insurgency operations be done without having any roads for example? A friend of mine works for RITES India that concentrates on development of highways. Can the GoI just stop development of highways just because it goes through the Naxal dominated area? It is easier said than done.

Secondly, do you realize that the amount of media and human rights traitor hysteria (again funded extrenally) that would be caused by burning off trees etc.? Would you like to create a famine like situation in those areas where the only source of livelihood are the natural resources of the forest? The retreating brits had the priviledge to pursue a scorched earth policy and create a famine in which millions perished; they were the colonizers, at worst (from a colonizers' perspective) they would have ejected if Japan was to conquer India. Indians were sub-humans for them. We do not have such priviledges. That is why in other counter insurgency operations, the IA has to think many times before taking any drastic action. Methods matter. The lost ground has to be captured, there is absolutely no other way.
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Can counter-insurgency operations be done without having any roads for example?


I said stop giving government infrastructure contracts to private contractors (who pass on the cut to Maoists), not stop building roads or bridges.

Border Road Organisation or CPWD or even the army can be tasked to build the crucial infrastructure in Naxal areas to stop the Maoists from taking commission on every contract given by government to small-time contractors.

All infrastructure should be build directly by government agencies until peace is established. Cuts from government contracts are a big source of funding for Maoists, and this move will eliminate the gravy train for them.
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Rahul Mehta wrote:
Singha wrote:
1. sometime ago, during caste wars in undivided-bihar, the upper and lower castes had their own 'senas' supplied by indigenous gun factories and stolen weapons.

2. it seems the lower caste segment of these have blended with the broad maoist pantheon now ?
1. Yes.

2. Yes

The higher caste senas went out of circulation, as police/judiciary openly sided with uppers and so there was no need for a sena. This made lower caste sena flee to forests . And there, they started getting money from Christianists/MNCs, and now they are several times stronger.
I am sure that everyone knows this already, but if some one did not and since its thought that that a untruth replied to becomes the truth, let me say to the Rahul Mehta is totally ignorant about Bihar.
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A humiliation for the government ... hope this doesn't turn into a Rubaiyya Saeed style fiasco. Why can't this Kishanji be squashed?
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West Bengal: Journos brokered cop's release
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 151181.cms
TNN 23 October 2009, 04:21am IST

KOLKATA: It was a nerve-wracking 48 hours for a group of senior government officials and police officers, who remained cooped up in their Writers' Buildings chambers, desperately searching for ways to secure Sankrail OC Atindranath Dutta's release.

With Maoist leader Kishanji refusing to interact with officials directly, the government was initially at a loss. Two senior BBC journalists came to their aid — helping strike a deal through a prolonged negotiation that lasted more than 24 hours. They acted as facilitators and served as a bridge between the rebels and the government.

The drama started soon after Dutta's abduction on Tuesday afternoon. Even before the government could react, Maoists had placed a tough demand - the release of 25 tribals arrested from Jangalmahal for being suspected Maoist collaborators. "Initially, the government was a bit confused. On Wednesday morning, they sought our help. Having worked in the North-East for several years, I have been involved in facilitating several such hostage negotiations.

We wanted to start a dialogue immediately but couldn't since we needed at least one government official to participate but there was none," said senior BBC journalist Subir Bhaumik, who initiated the dialogue.

Most government officials were hesitant to join the negotiation and time was running out. Finally, an officer was assigned and Kishanji was contacted immediately. "The conversation started off very amicably and Kishanji seemed to appreciate that we were sincere about the release of the prisoners. We told him that it was not possible for the government to release them officially. But their bail plea would not be contested when the case came up for hearing on Thursday.

We also agreed to stop the police operation. Kishanji was satisfied and then we talked about the modalities of Dutta's release. The Maoist leader made it clear that he would release Dutta in front of the media and make a political statement after he had been set free. By 4.30pm on Wednesday, the deal appeared to be well on course," said Bhaumik.

But a communication gap between the negotiators and the West Midnapore district administration threatened to derail the agreement. Barring a small group of senior police and government officers, no one knew about the deal.
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Banks in Red Corridor face Maoist threat: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ba ... at/531988/
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Fellows like Kishanji communicate with the media on mobile phones ... in the forests the mobile towers are sparsely distributed, thus preventing precise location of the signal source. Isn't there readily available equipment to locate signals by triangulation? If necessary such equipment could be installed on balloons.
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Singha: 1. sometime ago, during caste wars in undivided-bihar, the upper and lower castes had their own 'senas' supplied by indigenous gun factories and stolen weapons. 2. it seems the lower caste segment of these have blended with the broad maoist pantheon now ?

Rahul Mehta: 1. Yes. 2. Yes
The higher caste senas went out of circulation, as police/judiciary openly sided with uppers and so there was no need for a sena. This made lower caste sena flee to forests . And there, they started getting money from Christianists/MNCs, and now they are several times stronger.

Sanku: I am sure that everyone knows this already, but if some one did not and since its thought that that a untruth replied to becomes the truth, let me say to the Rahul Mehta is totally ignorant about Bihar.
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If I reply, this will be the counter-reply
Surya wrote:Admins, Can we do something about this?

Must we have this nonsense [from RM] in every thread?
So I wont reply in detail. But it is fact that IPS, HCjs and SCjs (mostly upper) in Bihar and rest of India openly support landlords etc (who too are mostly upper) in beating lowers black and blue. And so most dalits have lost faith in police/judges and feel like joining Naxals. And this does give strength to Naxals.
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Sri Rahul mehta ji,

the heart bleeds to even fathom the depth of grievious injury and the unconstitutional muzzling of your right to free expression within the realm of yindia.

Kindly open a blog where none may question your right to speech, thought, expression and conclusions.

TIA.
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Pranav wrote: It is not difficult to infiltrate them or track them down. They have to make contact with people for food and extortion. IMHO they could be liquidated in a few months if the powers that be really wanted to do it. The question is of political will.
Pranav-ji, you are right. And I fear that before our eyes, the political will which appeared to be there about 10 days ago has evaporated like acetone. What happened to all the determination Chidambaram displayed in his press conferences last week? What happened to all the preparations being made for a massive onslaught by security forces, that our media was covering so breathlessly?

Since that time, we've seen Maoists carry out a rash of daring attacks against infrastructural targets, railway tracks and so on. We've seen them expand their operations dramatically in the WB theatre with the kidnapping of OC Dutta. Somehow the media seems to be on hand to cover every one of the Maoists' offensives with a spin of triumphalism. Given that some BBC reporters are apparently acting as negotiators on the terrorists' behalf, the complicity of the media in advancing Maoist propaganda should perhaps come as no surprise.

Meanwhile the chorus of bleeding hearts calling for clemency to terrorist mastermind Khobad Ghandy grows deafening.

From the security forces, and those in charge of them, we've heard nothing. Just an irresponsible report in some DDM rag describing the alleged strategy behind their deployment.

From Chidu, the source of the brave words that gave us all hope, we're now hearing only silence regarding Maoists... but his recent pronouncements on J&K smell very rotten indeed. Was he just blowing smoke with his big talk about controlling the Maoist menace with the "full force of the state", as a screen for yet another sellout by the GOI(taly) he works for?
SRoy wrote:Infiltration? What infiltration? The Jharkhand cop, Francis Induwar was a special branch officer and he prolly never wore an uniform in last many years. Yet, he was tracked, located, hounded out and beheaded in a gruesome manner.
One man risked his life and got killed, therefore infiltration itself must be a hopeless tactic? I fail to see the logic behind that argument.
sinha wrote:Rudradev, this naxal-friendly entry needs your artwork in comments section. Swept everything under broad brush strokes. http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/the-s ... criminals/
Sinha saar, sorry I didn't see that before.

I agree, weighing in against Maoist propaganda set-pieces with our opinions and comments is generally a very good idea. In fact we must take back control of the debate by making our presence felt. Right now the argument is being monopolized by the commie sympathizers, conveying a false impression that a majority of educated Indians actually sympathize with the Maoists.

If each one of us made *one* comment on *one* news-website *every day* regarding our point of view.. it would take only 5 minutes of our time. But it would convey the message that those who stand for safeguarding the state against Maoist terror are very much the mainstream. Not a "lunatic fringe of Hindoo Fascist bourgeoisie" as the Commie sympathizers would portray us.
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Pranav wrote:Fellows like Kishanji communicate with the media on mobile phones ... in the forests the mobile towers are sparsely distributed, thus preventing precise location of the signal source.
When mobile towers are sparse, I feel it is easy to track the mobile phones. One thing the user of the mobile phone have only a limited area to loiter around (or else he would go out of coverage area). Secondly, with lesser number of towers easier to monitor them. We do not need triangulation to track a mobile phone. Phones are always in touch with the towers, and there have been previous instances when criminals were caught based on the information cell phone towers provided. Triangulation is only required in case of wireless sets.
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Pranav wrote:Banks in Red Corridor face Maoist threat: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ba ... at/531988/
United Bank of India’s chairman and managing director S C Gupta, who is also the chairman of the State Level Bankers’ Committee, said, “There might be a security concern among the staff temporarily. But things will return to normalcy soon.”

But Shakti Haldar, senior VP of SBI’s officers’ federation said, “Since staffs are not willing to attend branches in Maoist areas, the financial inclusion programme of the Reserve Bank of India may get affected.” On Tuesday, Maoists looted Rs 9 lakh from an SBI branch at Sankrail.
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I do not think we are giving clear orders to the security agencies to hunt and kill these people. Once we made out mind to eliminate these people there shall not be any turining back. I do not foresee any problem if we want to locate and kill Kishanji alias Koteswar Rao
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guys, let's not get disheartened already. the campaign has just started and a proper COIN campaign is more about hearts and minds than a slam-bam show.
every action will have to be deliberated, options weighed and only then carried forward. the going will be slow and there will be inevitable ups and downs. in fact I'm optimistic about the current campaign precisely because they are not making too much noise at the moment.
those 'light and sound' kind of operations can't be sustained for too long.
at the end of the day, maoists would have to be defeated by sheer persistence.

coming to the recent incident of dropping cases against some, let's not forget this is the WB govt we are talking about. morale of the WB police, never too good would have simply nose-dived otherwise. as far as I could gather, the people released were not hard-boiled maoists. they people were probably picked up from villages suspected to be maoist strongholds as a collective punishment to build up pressure.
it's not ideal COIN tactics and let's not delude us that state police doesn't do this sort of thing. they do and it only strengthens the hands of the maoists.
I don't think this release hurts the campaign in any way.
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Narayana Rao wrote:I do not think we are giving clear orders to the security agencies to hunt and kill these people. Once we made out mind to eliminate these people there shall not be any turining back. I do not foresee any problem if we want to locate and kill Kishanji alias Koteswar Rao
This is exactly correct. In the states where this menace is controlled/eliminated the administration there is very focussed and clear instructions were given to security forces. The security forces earned money by eliminating these vermin. It was a incentive based cleaning operation that was successful.

The problem is with WB, Bihar, JHK and to a smaller extent in Orissa. They did not have a strategy. In WB these maoists and the Governement have some overlapping folks. Chattisgargh, Maha and AP are doing fine to a large extent.
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Red in the face-TS Sudhir
A month ago, I got a call from a man who identified himself as Pradeep. "Pehchana nahin kya Sir, main Pradeep bol raha hoon,'' he insisted with familiarity. Finally he said, "Main Kishenji bol raha hoon,'' and I exclaimed, "To aise boliye na.'' Post-Lalgarh, Kishenji alias Koteswara Rao was the name, voice and masked face of the Maoist movement.
After he had finished discussing what he had called me for, I asked, "When will you get in touch with me next?''

Kishenji's reply stumped me. "Just sms me on this number, whenever you want to.''
To engage in peace talks with the newly-elected Y S Rajasekhara Reddy government in 2004 wasn't a mistake. The Maoists had good reasons to do that. But to think they had brought the government on to its knees, was. The red carpet welcome YSR laid out for them was an intoxicating high, it almost lulled the Reds into thinking they had bearded the tiger from Kadapa in his own den.

What followed was massive collection of funds and recruitment of cadre, almost recklessly. The Maoists were in a hurry to rebuild their cadres, demonstrate that atleast in numbers, they were a force to reckon with. The then police chief Swaranjit Sen later claimed they had exploited this opportunity to send coverts and informers into the Maoist fold. And that they also managed to put a face in police records to many Maoist names who had hitherto been underground.
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These days politicians have become real estate agents, who use coercive instruments of state power, like the Land Acquisition Act, to dispossess small farmers and tribals, for the benefit of the big corporates and cronies, who then provide massive kickbacks to these politicians. Promises of resettlement and rehabilitation for project-displaced people are typically not worth the paper they are written on.

While Maoists need to be eliminated, the political class is much more oppressive.
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Pranav wrote:These days politicians have become real estate agents, who use coercive instruments of state power, like the Land Acquisition Act, to dispossess small farmers and tribals, for the benefit of the big corporates and cronies, who then provide massive kickbacks to these politicians. Promises of resettlement and rehabilitation for project-displaced people are typically not worth the paper they are written on.

While Maoists need to be eliminated, the political class is much more oppressive, and that's something that should not be lost sight of.
That smoke smells exactly like the one from the chillum that maoists pass around. Kind of ironic in this thread :D
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hnair wrote:
Pranav wrote:These days politicians have become real estate agents, who use coercive instruments of state power, like the Land Acquisition Act, to dispossess small farmers and tribals, for the benefit of the big corporates and cronies, who then provide massive kickbacks to these politicians. Promises of resettlement and rehabilitation for project-displaced people are typically not worth the paper they are written on.

While Maoists need to be eliminated, the political class is much more oppressive, and that's something that should not be lost sight of.
That smoke smells exactly like the one from the chillum that maoists pass around. Kind of ironic in this thread :D
But it's true ... politicians are putting up the whole country for sale ... look at the recent antics of Communications minister Raja. You should read and contribute to the corruption watch thread in the GD forum.

It may be off-topic for this thread, but the fight against the political culture is going to be much harder than the battle against the Maoists.

Anyway, lets get back to the main topic here.
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Given that petition is launched by confirmed scumbags, I dont want to sign it.

But if SAME demand that "Army/AF should be not used inside India (except for secessionists with cross border support) comes from a respected source such as BR, I would sign that petition.

I believe that only "brave" IPS should be deployed against naxals. Give them ALL the weapons, helicopters, gizmos they want, but pls confine it to IPS only. And if IPS cant solve the problem (which I know they cant), then matter should be handed over to people. But no soldiers, please.

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Muppalla wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:I do not think we are giving clear orders to the security agencies to hunt and kill these people. Once we made out mind to eliminate these people there shall not be any turining back. I do not foresee any problem if we want to locate and kill Kishanji alias Koteswar Rao
This is exactly correct. In the states where this menace is controlled/eliminated the administration there is very focussed and clear instructions were given to security forces. The security forces earned money by eliminating these vermin. It was a incentive based cleaning operation that was successful.

The problem is with WB, Bihar, JHK and to a smaller extent in Orissa. They did not have a strategy. In WB these maoists and the Governement have some overlapping folks. Chattisgargh, Maha and AP are doing fine to a large extent.
substantiation of the talk above on Police Furious over Kishanji near-miss
Acting on a tip off on Wednesday night, security forces had sneaked into the forests and trapped Kishanji in his Maoist hideout, say sources. The gunbattle started at the break of dawn and the forces were determined to fight to the last and get Kishanji dead or alive.

They had pinpointed Kishanji's location to within a few hundred metres.

The forces were not only confident of smashing the Maoist core team but also rescuing Dutta. So when negotiators from Writers' asked them to stop firing, the crack team was hardly pleased.

Even DGP Bhupinder Singh doesn't seem too happy with the government stand. The mood is palpable among senior police officers who do not buy the logic of senior IAS officers.
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Acting on a tip off on Wednesday night, security forces had sneaked into the forests and trapped Kishanji in his Maoist hideout, say sources. The gunbattle started at the break of dawn and the forces were determined to fight to the last and get Kishanji dead or alive. They had pinpointed Kishanji's location to within a few hundred metres. The forces were not only confident of smashing the Maoist core team but also rescuing Dutta. So when negotiators from Writers' asked them to stop firing, the crack team was hardly pleased.

Even DGP Bhupinder Singh doesn't seem too happy with the government stand. The mood is palpable among senior police officers who do not buy the logic of senior IAS officers.
This is really really sad :( . We should expel such inept and spineless CM, HomeMin who give such orders to stop firing right when Kishanji could have shot dead.
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This is a very good response to self-appointed intellectuals who support maoists. Must read for all those interested in combating the maoist war on democratic indian state.

If people like noam chomsky are so enamored by maoist tactics of cannibalism they should open a local chapter in their native land and practice what they preach. Let's see how far he goes before being shot dead like a mad dog in the streets.
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Rahul Mehta wrote:
Acting on a tip off on Wednesday night, security forces had sneaked into the forests and trapped Kishanji in his Maoist hideout, say sources. The gunbattle started at the break of dawn and the forces were determined to fight to the last and get Kishanji dead or alive. They had pinpointed Kishanji's location to within a few hundred metres. The forces were not only confident of smashing the Maoist core team but also rescuing Dutta. So when negotiators from Writers' asked them to stop firing, the crack team was hardly pleased.

Even DGP Bhupinder Singh doesn't seem too happy with the government stand. The mood is palpable among senior police officers who do not buy the logic of senior IAS officers.
This is really really sad :( . We should expel such inept and spineless CM, HomeMin who give such orders to stop firing right when Kishanji could have shot dead.
That is the problem. The enemy is not in the forests, he is within the government.

Similar to what happened a few years back in Andhra - a big Maoist leadership conference was surrounded and police were ordered to let them go.

This is tied in with the reports of western funding for the Maoists.
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Pranav wrote:But it's true ... politicians are putting up the whole country for sale ... look at the recent antics of Communications minister Raja. You should read and contribute to the corruption watch thread in the GD forum.
You make the mistake of viewing the corrupt actions of a few and painting the whole political class in the same negative light.

If all politicians were corrupt, then they would have struck a deal with maoists. The politicians would be able to rule in perpetuity by imposing emergency while the maoists could continue to earn money from their drug business and the labor camps manufacturing goods for the consumer market without fear of the security forces.

Why try to please a electorate when it's easy to use them as slaves in labor camps and profit from it?
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Avinash R wrote: If all politicians were corrupt, then they would have struck a deal with maoists ...
Looks like deals have already been struck, judging from the way anti-Maoist operations are being sabotaged.
Avinash R wrote: Why try to please a electorate when it's easy to use them as slaves in labor camps and profit from it?
That's where we might end up unless people wake up. Riggability of EVMs has been discussed on another thread.
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Pranav wrote:
Avinash R wrote:If all politicians were corrupt, then they would have struck a deal with maoists ...
Looks like deals have already been struck, judging from the way anti-Maoist operations are being sabotaged.
Dude, maoist are whining that chidu is sending forces against them and declaring "war". If a deal was struck, all would have been quiet with maoist busy expanding their drug business like in the days of shivraj patil, while central govt not bothering to strength and increase the number of central forces in maoist affected areas.
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Avinash R wrote:Why try to please a electorate when it's easy to use them as slaves in labor camps and profit from it?
That's where we might end up unless people wake up. Riggability of EVMs has been discussed on another thread.
:shock:
You are reading too many posts of a person whose first name starts with R and last name starts with M. He has his own political party which did badly in the LS election, so he tries to paint his failure as due to the "riggability" of EVM. If EVM could be rigged them manmohan would have contested a LS election rather than sit in the parliament on a RS seat.
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^ doesn't seem to fit, IMO. If EVMs can be/have been rigged, then where's the need for accommodating the maopests?

Why would the current netaship tolerate a parallel power center which is not in their control entirely and owns its own guns?

Ruling party winning MH, HRY and ARP polls is good. Less need for them to accommodate bit players with maoist sympathies punching way above their weight like happened under UPA-I.

Just moi 2 cents and other disclaimers.
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^^^ There are conflicting signals. Yes, some big guns have been arrested, and Chidambaram seems to be serious. But it is equally true that surrounded senior Maoists have been let off on two occasions.

In the latest incident, one policeman's life was at risk, but how many more people will this Kishenji go on to murder?

I am willing to give the benefit of doubt for now. Let's see how things go.
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who are the ruling parties in naxal affected states ? if their non-INC, I bet they will let things slide for a while until winning the next assembly elections.

the bodoland movement in Assam had the tacit support of dilli until the AGP was ruling.
there were even wild allegation of RAW facilitating some arms and training in north bengal for the cadres.
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am I getting definite signals of "toning down" on part of Maopests or what?

1. Acknowleding something was wrong in manner Indulwar has killed. Naxals to review Induwar beheading. The article is sickening. Talks about "review committees" giving impression of complete parallel legitimate government and suggesting reviews have found 85% executions to be just and fair.

2. Why Maoists got so little in return for the Kidnapped Police officer. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091024/j ... 652957.jsp . Seems to indicate that they got caught after stating "POW" which means you could not kill the guy, then found all escape route guarded on Chidu's behest and plans and agreed to get release of a few tribal women\

3. Blogsphere is abuzz with backlash against Maos. Potentially the bleeding hearts are impressing upon maos to tone down for some time, so that the state goes back as well, which should work just fine for Maoists. However, it seems that Maoists may fall again to overconfidence trap and refuse to buy the argument. If this happens, it will be best for India. Gives all the credibility to Govt to go after them and justify some collateral damage if encountered on the way.
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Re: The Red Menace

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Our weakness has already started showing. We have traded prisoner even before the battle for the freedom of these communist infested areas seriously started. Given freedom our police and paraforces could have free the policemen kidnapped.
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Re: The Red Menace

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Lifafas have started moving in editorial offices and Maoist-friendly plants have begun to appear, on the lines of "men are fighting police because their old women had their breasts cut off..."

The Maoist tag comes with the territory
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... eKn3LcnQ==

These kind of moves have become so predictable. The powers behind Maoists have the same modus operandi in every case, from Ghandi to Binayak Sen.
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Re: The Red Menace

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These kind of moves have become so predictable. The powers behind Maoists have the same modus operandi in every case, from Ghandi to Binayak Sen.
There's something called the "law of diminishing returns" in ekhanomics that works pretty well in the other social sciences too.

Now why are the overground gandus using old propagandu methods repeatedly? Is it because they couldn't find newer ones? (Lets hope so). These will become stale and will fade with time.

The Maopests no longer have the natural sympathy a David might assume in a afight against the Goliath. The maopests words and deeds have beome much more fully publicised and known only recently. After destroying public infra and attacking the state no holds barred, what were the maopests thinking? The state would continue to do nothing? After a certain stage the state would be compelled to act. And beware the reluctant actor, he will not be as prone to excesses and misdeeds as the overeager beaver (a tspa in FATA or PLA in uighuristan).

And as far as media fightback is concerned, the state has barely even begun. A few images of maoist executions - hands tied, throat slit off/shot through the head with bodies dumped in roads and bridges is all it takes to take wind off the sails of maoist sympathizers and pinkos.

Further demography is changing inexorably. Half the country's popn is now Urban. The regular to-and-fro migration between rurals and urbans further weakens the very divisions the maopests routinely exploit.

This is not to say INdia can't screw things up yet again. Just that it is too early to make that call. Our record on handling state-threatening internal threats has been fairly ok so far. PC is making the right soothing noises of 'talks if violence given up' etc while prepping the state armed response in parallel. More soothing talk will further blunt the edge the propagandus have.
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Maoist violence and Anti-Maoist operations

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I haven't found a thread to discuss incidents related to violence by Maoists, currently active operations against them, discussion regarding Maoism and so on.
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Re: Maoist violence and Anti-Maoist operations

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http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... eKn3LcnQ==

Incidents like above if true would turnout counter productive in the struggle against Maoism. Use of heavy force increases such incidents and increases longterm prospects of Maoism in our country.
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Re: The Red Menace

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Two Maoists arrested in Orissa
Rayagada (Orissa), Oct 25 (PTI) Two hardcore Maoists allegedly involved in killing of 10 CISF jawans at NALCO's plant in Damanjodi were arrested from Orissa's Rayagada district, police said today.

The ultras were picked up during combing operation by the elite anti-naxal force Special Operation Group (SOG) at Seriguda in Gudari area, about 70 km from here late last night, Rayagada Superintendent of Police A K Singh said.

The two, identified as Tuda Jagaranka and Gahi Jagaranka, aged between 25 and 30 years, were involved in over nine incidents including the attack on Nalco's bauxite mines at Damanjodi in Koraput district in April this year in which ten CISF jawans were killed, he said.

Besides involvement in crimes like murder, loot and extortion, the duo had also played an active role in the attack on police establishments and the armoury in Nayagarh in February last year, Singh said.
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