Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 28 Oct 2009 14:06

one more revision: 43 dead

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bomb- ... an/534369/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 14:08

Doubts abound among S. Waziristanis - Washington Post

Several whispered that there was no graver offense than speaking against the Taliban and seemed fearful that breaching that rule would cost them once the offensive -- which several referred to as an artificial "drama" cooked up to satisfy the United States -- was over.

"The operation is a joke just to please the foreign masters," said Saidalam Mehsud, 59, a burly driver. "Whenever the dollars are floating into Pakistan, such operations are carried out."

In the past week, refugees said, their doubts about the offensive have intensified because they have seen little evidence of the ground operation that Pakistan's military says has killed nearly 200 insurgents. Although many said shells and bombs had been raining on the hilly terrain all week, some hitting houses of civilians, none said they had seen government soldiers in the area.

Instead, masked and armed militants were roaming with ease and digging trenches, the refugees said.

santoshriyer · Post by **santoshriyer** » 28 Oct 2009 14:26

Nitesh wrote:one more revision: 43 dead

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bomb- ... an/534369/

Score risesto 57 and counting

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 14:32

PA now says no 'timeframe' can be given for S.Waziristan operations
Earlier, everyone was talking about 4 to 6 to 8 weeks maximum.

Gen Kayani, however, said that unlike operation Rah-i-Rast no timeframe could be given for overpowering militants in the Waziristan.

This confirms the stiff resistance that the PA is expectedly facing in SWA. Coupled with the Washington Post report posted in the previous page, it doesn't look too god for the PA.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Oct 2009 14:35

2 divisions is a small force for such a large area. fighters can hide and seep into soft areas and
cause plenty of headache.

does anyone know what is this org - picked up chatter from a certain place...wiki claims they
are student wing of J-I-islami. not mentioned in what 'course' these students specialize in - ak47 or grenades.

Last three incidents in Islamabad were carried out by activists of the Jamiat e Tulaba Pakistan as reported by ISI. The killing of Brig Moin, IIU Bombing and the recent firing. These are locally based Boys operating from the G and I sectors along with the Rawalpindi locality.
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faraz · Post by **faraz** » 28 Oct 2009 14:44

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... bomb-blast

Yes. It is 57 now. Still counting. By the look of it, the toll can go higher.

Why are the Talibans killing their own Pakhtoon brothers ? Or is it the handiwork of Paki Army to gain sympathy among the Pakhtoons ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Oct 2009 15:06

reports say a mosque was also taken down. maybe the shops targeted belonged to sarkari musalman's or traders who were friendly with the pa/sarkar.

nobody knows who or why in such a fluid situation.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 15:22

Singha wrote:Last three incidents in Islamabad were carried out by activists of the Jamiat e Tulaba Pakistan as reported by ISI. The killing of Brig Moin, IIU Bombing and the recent firing. These are locally based Boys operating from the G and I sectors along with the Rawalpindi locality.

IJT (Islami-Jamia'at-e-Tulaba) is the militant student wing of Jama'at-e-Islami. The ideological connection between the JI and the PA is legendary. More so is the physical connection between the IJT and the PA. The IJT took part in East Pakistan genocide and the J&K terrorism under the direct control of the PA. If IJT has turned against the PA or a section of the PA, it will be at the behest of JI. The IJT/JI is indulging in targetted killing of PA Officers for their actions against AQAM. If JI gets involved at this level, it will be civil war. HuJI also has a large following within the PA. Ilyas Kashmiri, once a leading player within HuJI, was an SSG commando. The Brigade 313 which he now heads has a large number of ex-PA personnel as members. So is Tanzeem-ul-Ikhwan.

The travel advisory by India makes a lot of sense now.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 15:40

It is now jihad against the jihadis

Information Minister NWFP, Mian Iftikhar Hussain stressed that Jihad against terrorism will continue and we must eliminate the terrorists even at the cost of our lives.

Peshawar death toll mounts to 87

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Oct 2009 15:54

Meena Bazaar? Isn't that something like a market for ladies? Heard some reports that it is a Shia area.

This is getting to be as bad as Baghdad.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Oct 2009 15:55

SSridhar wrote:Today, Baghdad Bob might have found a successor in the form of Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Public Relations, which handles media relations for the Pakistani armed forces.

Baghdad Bob, meet Rawal (pindi) Rob!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Oct 2009 15:58

SSridhar wrote: Peshawar death toll mounts to 87

That's a biggie!

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 28 Oct 2009 16:02

Move over Bagdhad Bob, here comes Ra(walpi)ndi - Randi Abbas.

On this peshawar pataka: Anything smaller than 2611 in pak can not be considered biggie.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Oct 2009 16:07

It appears that the Peshawar mosque IS a shia mosque.

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2009 16:17

SSridhar wrote:Look at the posh house of the Brigadier, who just escaped the Talibani death warrant.
That is the result of the 'culture of entitlement' that PA officers enjoy, a legacy from the British amplified many times over in the Land of the Pure that defends the 'Frontiers of Islam'. My cousin, who holds a similar position in the kufr Army, is left with a decrepit 2 BHK apartment.

Now the question is would these fat cat Paki Brigadiers and other top affisers who are used to their lavish life style be able to slog it out in a battle leading their troops? I'm sure you're cousin and his fellow officers would string these TFTA Brigadiers up the nearest tree in five minutes.

Maybe that's real reason we've not had a frontal war since '71, apart from the Downhill skiing expedition in Kargil?

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2009 16:22

shiv wrote:It appears that the Peshawar mosque IS a shia mosque.

There's a video here

The BBC report has this very important quote:

The blast comes as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton begins a visit to the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2009 16:27

Bomb kills dozens in Pakistan as Hillary Clinton arrives

A senior government official in the city, Azam Khan, told Reuters. "It was a car bomb. The car was parked outside a market frequented mostly by women," he said.

The brave Momin do not discriminate against women. All are equal in the eyes of the Almighty.

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2009 16:30

The blast in Peshawar was the deadliest in Pakistan for two years. The country has been on high alert amid fears of retaliatory strikes by Taliban militants as the army attacks their strongholds in South Waziristan on the Afghan border.

Link

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Oct 2009 16:51

So twas a shia mosque that got bombed.

Terrible, I tell ya...

How can Iran sit silent and watch its Shia brethren get massacred like sitting chicken? Has the great ancient persian civilization lost its balls? Has the great farsi bloodline reduced to becoming mute spectators, impotents to the swatting of shias like mosque-itoes in holy shia mosques?!

This demands an immediate and doubly deadly response - soosai bumming in a packed packee place. Like NOW. Lets set a countdown here to the next revenge bumming, shall we?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 16:57

Some more info on that Brigadier incident

Meanwhile, security sources told this scribe that more such attacks were expected in the coming days. There were a number of groups in Islamabad which were targeting senior army officers and they were getting complete support from inside the capital, they added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 17:02

IMF Review Delegation refuses to visit TSP due to security concerns

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has once again refused to conduct the review of the economy under the Standby Arrangement (SBA) in Pakistan due to security concerns. In this connection, Ministry of Finance Secretary Salman Siddiqi has moved a summary to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani seeking approval of expenditures for the visit abroad by Finance Minister, Secretary Finance, FBR Chairman and Governor of the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP). {Another junket}

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 28 Oct 2009 17:05

Over 400,000 Pak troops needed to take on mighty Taliban in Waziristan: Expert
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While the Pakistani officials have been claiming huge success in the so called ‘epic battle’, researchers say a massive number of troops amounting to anything between 370,000 and 430,000 would be needed to take on the might of the extremists and carry out an effective counterinsurgency operation in the tribal region.

According to Sameer Lalwani, author of a new report for the New America Foundation, there are not enough Pakistani troops to challenge the extremists and building up such a strong force would require huge efforts.

“The most Pakistan could free up from its border with India would be 152,000 more. Cobbling together a force of the needed size would take two to five years,” The Christian Science Monitor quoted Lalwani, as saying.

Some 28,000 troops are currently facing off against a force of Uzbeks and Taliban numbering at least 12,000 fighters.

“That is going to be a really bloody fight.They’ve had higher force ratios before and it’s been pretty bloody for them,” Lalwani pointed out.

Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sou ... z0VEKcZJkb

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2009 17:39

Hari Seldon wrote:Has the great ancient persian civilization lost its balls? Has the great farsi bloodline reduced to becoming mute spectators, impotents to the swatting of shias like mosque-itoes in holy shia mosques?!

A bit OT here but only 51 per cent of Iranians are of Persian descent.

The main ethnic groups are Persians (51%), Azeris (24%), Gilaki and Mazandarani (7%), Kurds (7%), Arabs (3%), Baluchi (2%), Lurs (2%), Turkmens (2%), Laks, Qashqai, Armenians, Persian Jews, Georgians, Assyrians, Circassians, Tats, Mandaeans, Gypsies, Brahuis, Hazara, Kazakhs and others (1%).

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Oct 2009 17:47

Score is 91 as per Stalinist yellow daily...never too late to celebrate IED in Pakbarian land..IED mubarak ho!

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 28 Oct 2009 17:52

quetta shura. tspa is not going after it. i have kufr question. so why dont ameerkhan's bredators do it? bcoz it is in balochistan and not in fata & nwfp? its kind of artificial isnt it? somehow protecting balochistan as a mark of sovirginity makes no sense at all.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 17:57

Rangudu wrote:Dr. Tim recently wrote an article...

By Timothy D. Hoyt

. . .

The fact that Pakistan pressed its nuclear development to the point that an American president could not ignore

Big BS.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Oct 2009 17:58

Living hell of trapped bodies after Pakistan bomb
LEHAZ ALI | PESHAWAR, PAKISTAN - Oct 28 2009 14:19

As the wounded tried to flee, they were engulfed in flames and buried alive by falling masonry.

With one deafening boom, a congested Pakistan street full of women and children was transformed into hell.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-10-28- ... istan-bomb

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Oct 2009 18:04

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Peshawar death toll mounts to 87
That's a biggie!

As demonstrations of the IEDology of Pakistan go, it certainly is.

AP is reporting the death toll has now mounted to 91:

Car bomb kills 91 in Pakistani city of Peshawar

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 18:07

csharma wrote: http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/ ... r-zone.htm

Inside Pakistan's war zone

from the above,

This scribe also had a chance to meet Madhu Mehsud alias 'Fani', the deputy of Qari Husain at Shakatoi. The strongly-built Madhu, who is in his late twenties, is assigned the task of making arrangements for suicide bombers while moving around the country.

Madhu told rediff.com, "We have our suicide bombers in each and every part of the country but we are not going to use these valuable assets at once. We will use them according to the situation, as it is a decisive battle, wining is must for the survival of the whole Taliban in the region."

"All suicide bombings in Pakistan are not organised by the Taliban; there are some secret agencies that target the innocent public with suicide bombers and malign the Taliban," he said.

What a kufr name !

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Oct 2009 18:19

Time Magazine in its latest edition is carrying an article on slavery in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Excerpt:

Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2009

Pakistan's Forgotten Plight: Modern-Day Slavery

By E. Benjamin Skinner

As Hillary Clinton pays her first visit to Pakistan as Secretary of State, an unfolding hostage crisis will test the Obama Administration's rhetoric on human rights in the region. Officials at the U.S. embassy in Islamabad say at least three landlords have held as many as 170 bonded farmworkers at gunpoint on their estates in the country's southeast Sindh province since late September. With U.S. attention focused on getting Pakistan to deal with huge security issues to Washington's satisfaction, will Clinton be able to press Islamabad's rulers to address a controversy involving rural poverty and modern-day slavery?

The crisis began after the workers' advocates successfully petitioned three district courts to declare as illegal the debts that the landlords were using to compel the workers into indentured servitude. Those debts average around 1,000 Pakistani rupees — roughly $12. The hostages, a third of whom are children, some as young as 4 months old, are landless peasants, known as haari in Urdu. According to Ghulam Hyder, a spokesman for Pakistan's Green Rural Development Organization, the landlords have killed one hostage already and are threatening to kill the others unless they drop the cases and return to work. The landlords also abducted Amarchand Bheel, an advocate for the laborers, as he traveled to court to plead their cause.

A 2004 study by the International Labour Office (ILO) estimated that there are up to a million haari families in Sindh alone, the majority living in conditions of debt bondage, which the U.N. defines as modern-day slavery. Last fall, Pakistan's Daily Times newspaper quoted the labor minister of neighboring Punjab province as saying that landlords hold millions of forced laborers in "private prisons" across the country. ............................

Time Magazine

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 28 Oct 2009 18:38

Call it lack of balls or a smart decision, but not attacking those camps in Pok after 26/11 has rpoved to be a master stroke. Had we gone after those camps, we would not have achieved much militarily as the pigs would have long gone, it would have galvanized the entire TSP population against kufr Bharat and we would not have been witness to this relentless show of IED mubaraks in "land of the pure".

Over the past year 417 blasts have taken place in TSP causing immense damage to the country as a hole. India could never have accomplished that.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Oct 2009 18:47

Taliban is holding its ground in "Whateverstan" against the Paki army. It is taking hits here and there, and then hits back at the civilians & cities. It will be interesting to watch the aam abdul's reaction if this goes on for months. Paki army has to declare "Mission Accomplished" at some point in time.

Years back Paki army/GoP would unglify India if things were going bad in Pakistan; it would unit the abduls against the common enemy Bharat. I think we are going through a phase of history where that tactic is not gaining any value. Abduls can not look to their East and rejoice dhammakkas in Desh, while they are being IEDified from their West. It does not mean Paki army/GoP will not try their old dirty tricks. Rehman accusing Desh of aiding Talibunnies is one such dirty trick. Desh has to keep talking "peace and brotherly love" and keep extending helping hands. There will come a time when abduls will stop believing their army and trusting Talibunnies more.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2009 18:47

Explosives & suicide vests seized from Karachi College

Toll mounts to 95 in Peshawar

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Oct 2009 18:50

Horrific video of the latest "mind blasting" incident (from yahoo.com)
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... 0&src=news

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Oct 2009 18:55

Lack of will to counterattack at least diplomatically was a major blunder as Pak has stolen our thunder with their concerted references to Baluchistan and Kashmir post 26/11.Their legalistic fillibustering and obfuscation of the case in court against one of the masterminds of 26/11 has weakened and watered down India's stand on the matter.Which international nation is now bothered about its citizens murdered thanks to the events of 26/11? Every day another terrorist attack fills the media and Pak has played this card very well,to simply delay taking any action because it knows that GOI at heart is mostly run by babus,who love red tape,protocol,legalistic complex committee run decision making,that in the end produces as the bard said "is full of sound and fury signifying nothing".We missed the opportunity to hit them in the ghoolies diplomatically,where we could've branded them as a rogue state by suspending diplomatic relations,banning Paki overflights and all visits by Pakis,until they handed over the criminals behind 26/11 and Dawood for the earlier Bombay blasts.If the poor unfortunate Libyan, Megrahi,who was controversially convicted of the Lockerbie aircraft bombing (new case review to take place) could be imprisoned years ago,what is the sanctity for the Pakis involved to be thus spared by the international community,only because they were mostly poor Indian citizens? Pakistan is an international pariah state and India cannot allow it to claim any respectability.Sadly,that is what our good doctor has rewarded it with,which is why Obama has further rewarded it for its terror with aid of $7.5 billion,including about 40 more F-16s to come shortly.MMS was personally insulted by the Chinese ,who brazenly demanded that he desist from visiting AP,which is why he has suddenly found his "shockings"!

It's simply dreadful,the collossal toll of the innocents in the Peshawar blast.It's 90+ now.The Paki state is in a clear state of self-destruction,civil war,what have you,with all the symptoms of a failed state.I posted a day ago a Paki scribe's comment upon the reputation of the Paki army,far different from a US commentator who fondly imagines that the Paki army is held in high esteem by its people! It is now in the pits after successive defeats against India from without and impotent to tackle the forces of fundamentalism from within.The heady lifestyle of the "crore commanders" is now coming home to roost as more high ranking officers get "roasted".I wonder how popular joining the Paki army or armed forces as a career will now be,especially as strong evidence suggests that elements within the ISI who have nurtured the very forces of destabilisation of the state are supporting them with inside info.

AS for the good doctor Tim's statement that the US pres. couldn't but sympathetically understand Pak's need for nukes,it makes a complete mockery of Obama's desire for total nuclear disarmamenr by 2030.The only remedy for Pak is a taste of "bitter medicine".No aid,as even economic aid is just adjusted to buy arms and fund jihadis for use against India ,and a plan for a future international/US led military operation to defang Pak's of its nukes.The way Pak is going,it will soon be a terrorist ruled entity or at the very least an ISI ruled state,backed to the hilt by the Saudis,China and NoKo possessing 90+ nuclear weapons,capable of blackmailing the entire globe!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Oct 2009 19:07

'Attacking our way of Life'
http://blog.dawn.com:91/dblog/2009/10/2 ... ment-29617

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 28 Oct 2009 19:07

Eight-nine people have been reported killed and 213 have been wounded, but the numbers are expected to rise with victims still trapped in the rubble and dozens of wounded have been reported to be in critical condition.

There have been 16 major attacks throughout Pakistan in 18 days (see list below).

89 killed in car bomb attack in Peshawar

Pakistan Bombing Index (PBI) = 16/18 = 0.88 for October...any bets for November?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 28 Oct 2009 19:51

IOL confirms that there has been a border war going on between Pak and Iran. The attack on Oct 19th was the latest in the battle.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 28 Oct 2009 20:07

Nihat wrote:Call it lack of balls or a smart decision, but not attacking those camps in Pok after 26/11 has rpoved to be a master stroke. Had we gone after those camps, we would not have achieved much militarily as the pigs would have long gone, it would have galvanized the entire TSP population against kufr Bharat and we would not have been witness to this relentless show of IED mubaraks in "land of the pure".

Over the past year 417 blasts have taken place in TSP causing immense damage to the country as a hole. India could never have accomplished that.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Oct 2009 20:20

Nihat-> totally agree, whether careful planning or sheer coincidence, MMS not attack PAK has been a great accomplisment..