Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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My opinion on Jawed Naqvi's article about OCI being offered to all but Pakistani and Bangladeshi citizens. Please feel free to forward to Mr. Naqvi if you feel inclined to do so. I won't bother writing to him as he represents the usual closeted Pakistani mind and my words would be wasted on him and his ilk. My opinion written below is to counter Mr. Naqvi's lies and to address any such concerns in the lingering minds of WKKiitis infected Indians.

From Wiki: Overseas Citizenship of India
There now exists a provision for a new form of Indian nationality, the holders of which are to be known as Overseas Citizens of India. The Constitution of India does not permit dual citizenship or dual nationality, except for minors where the second nationality was involuntarily acquired. Indian authorities have interpreted the law to mean a person can't have a second country's passport simultaneously with an Indian one — even in the case of a child who is claimed by another country as a citizen of that country, and who may be required by the laws of the other country to use one of its passports for foreign travel (e.g., a child born in the United States to Indian parents) — and the Indian courts have given the executive branch wide discretion over this matter. Therefore, Overseas Citizenship of India is not a full citizenship of India and thus, does not amount to dual citizenship or dual nationality.

The Central Government may, on application, register any person as an Overseas Citizen of India if that Person is of Indian Origin and is from a country which allows dual citizenship in some form or the other. Broadly speaking, a "Person of Indian Origin" is a citizen of another country who:

was a citizen of India on 26 January 1950 or at any time thereafter; or
was eligible to become a citizen of India on 26 January 1950; or
belonged to a territory that became part of India after the 15th day of August, 1947; or
is the child or grandchild of a person described above; and
has never been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh.
Jawed Naqvi is wrong when he says India denied Pakistani and Bangladeshi citizens the option of acquring dual Indian citizenship. India does not offer dual citizenship to any person instead she has created a provision for a new form of Indian nationality know as Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI). An OCI is a person who is treated like an Indian Citizen but is not really an Indian Citizen. Jawed's primary complaint is that the OCI provision excludes two countries specifically and is a show of pettiness by the Government of India (GoI).

The explanation for this exclusion is very simple and quite obvious. Any person who was an Indian citizen or is the child or grandchild of an Indian citizen (i.e. works for 3 generations of Indian heritage) is eligible to become an OCI. Even after 62 years of Independence, almost all citizens of these 2 countries would be eligible for an OCI without the country exclusion clause and the 26 January 1950 date clause. Pakistan and Bangladesh were formed by breaking away from India. The people of these countries fought a blood battle to be recognized as a separate country from India and a separate people who were not Indian. They claimed of becoming victims to hegemony and unfair treatment by the majority of Indian citizens. If India offered Pakistani and Bangladeshi citizens an OCI status, then they would defacto become Indian citizens without the right to vote (an OCI does not have the right to vote). They would thus complain of their second class citizenship status and claim vindication of their worst fears of unfair treatment by the majority of Indian citizens. In this case there is no good outcome for India other than to let the country exclusion clause and the 26 January 1950 date clause work till such a time when the people of these 2 countries feel secure in their unique identity and shed their fears of unfair treatment by the majority of Indian citizens.

These clauses represent a sincere attempt by GoI to preserve the honor and dignity of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi citizens and tries to protect their unique identity which was separate from their Indian heritage.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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AoA AoA AoA
what is a muj to do? first the 100000000000000 bharatiya faujis in cashmere valley & now this....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 190873.cms
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Google earth time.

Site of today's attack, previous attack and GHQ are all in proximity. Looks like the faithfuls are repeatedly attacking the martial pak fauj.

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The blue swimming pool near today's attack is the Pearl Continental Hotel
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Mr.Murtaza Razvi, the editor, Magazines of Dawn of Pakistan says in his blog
The Terror Disconnect
There’s some mighty disconnect between what is happening in our cities today and what we are not doing to stop it, as one more landmark in what is now the blighted Rawalpindi Cantonment is targeted by terrorists.
...
link

I left the following comment
Mr.Murtaza Razvi says “There’s some mighty disconnect between what is happening in our cities today and what we are not doing to stop it”. Mighty disconnect indeed! But the disconnect lies elsewhere. Your army’s attempt to distinguish between ‘good Taliban’ and ‘bad Taliban’ and not realising that the ‘good guys are not very good after all and the bad guys are very very bad’ is at the heart of your problems. On top of it, your army is blaming India for the troubles!
(See the report ‘Proof of Indian involvement in Waziristan found: army’in the on-line version of your paper.)

One feels sorry for the plight of ordinary Pakistanis. The only way to overcome your problems is for your army to stop using terrorism as an instrument in its fight with your neighbours.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Anujan

Don't get sidetracked by the "Uzbek/Chechen" bakwas...

My reasonably educated take, based on Indian, TSPian and very well connected US-ian inputs, is as follows. The sequence of events is:


1. After Mushy's exit and Zardari taking power, there was hope within US of an externally based defanging of TSPA, based on some sort of "grand bargain" type arrangement with Unkil (and India)

2. Within TSPian establishment, an invigorated Zardari group, led by Husain Haqqani and co tried to dictate to Kayani and the GHQ establishment that they (Zardari/Haqqani) could get a grand bargain from Unkil, if only TSPA can show some "real results" i.e. something more than the quarterly "Al Qaeda" #3.141593 delivery

3. Kayani and co played along but their natural tendencies took over once they saw Zardari make statements like "India is not a threat", etc. They started making plans to scuttle the Zardari/Haqqani efforts.

4. As pressure was building last summer from a Bush admin looking for last minute action to cover for their years long neglect of Afghanistan, TSPA/ISI had to do something to divert focus. The embassy attack in Kabul did not yield an aggressive response from India. So they set upon Mumbai.

4. Just before 26/11, Kayani visited China, Saudi and Turkey and other Generals were sent to Saudi Arabia as well, presumably to get $$, supplies and war materiel. TSPA had laid a trap and had an Indian military already emaciated by years of modernization delays, responded conventionally, TSPA had hopes of "big blows" before US intervention and ceasefire wherein they would both regain H&D and avoid action on their FATA assets

5. Unfortunately for TSPA, after Mumbai, India did not respond as TSPA planned and they (TSPA) had no excuses to avoid action on their pets. Plus you must remember that Bush admin was already pissed at TSPA and there was intense pressure on TSPA from Unkil and they backed off and let the civilians (Zardari and his chela Rahman Malik) do some window dressing along with some moderately significant actions like getting China to okay a ban on Hafiz-e-Pig etc.

6. Obama coming to power in DC brought in some old school guys with some hawkish types (see Bruce Reidel), who again believed that TSPA could be coopted by offering some sort of a grand bargain, a.la Barnett Rubin/Ahmed Rashid's wet dreams.

7. Meanwhile, Obama people wanted to show aggressiveness that they promised in Afghanistan and started taking out TSPA assets willy nilly using drones. Another Mumbai was not possible in early 2009, so what is TSPA to do? They cannot hope for an Indian threat to materialize nor can they take "action" in Waziristan. Their brilliant answer was to "create" a "manageable" theater where they could show "results" and stave off Unkil's pressure. This is what led to the Swat situation

8. What happened in Swat? Malakand was actually a liberal-ish area within TSP with no history of Taliban/jihadi activity, but TSPA encouraged and facilitated the migration of jihadi/Taliban assets from Bajour in the north to the Waziristans in the South - into the Swat valley. They allowed TV coverage of the Talibunny activities and as expected, Unkil took the bait. All of a sudden, Waziristans were left alone and Unkil demanded action in Swat. Ergo - you had Operation Rah-e-Rast a.k.a. Operation "Mis-e-direction" :lol:

9. What TSPA did not realize was that Unkil was looking at the events more closely than before and they had to produce more than bodies (like they did in Bajour). As a result, TSPA did indeed have to sacrifice troops in town by town combat ops, where they also sacrificed some mid-level Talibunny assets. This led to Talibunnies retailating using their Deobandi buddies in Punjab from SeS/LeJ/JeM etc. However, TSPA "managed" the problem by making peace with higher level elements like Fazlullah and assuaging hard feelings. But the damage was done - TSPA was forced to act on some of its own assets.

10. After Swat, pro-TSP elements within Unkil started believing that they could bribe/coopt TSPA into killing some of their assets, but "we should not push too far". As a result, they gave TSPA more $$, weapons etc. but told Kayani - "If you don't want us to come after the Quetta Shura or Siraj Haqqani, you should clear Waziristan for us". As a result, TSPA was preparing for a Swat like drama in South Waziristan. Their hope was to dance around till winter and then use the snow as an excuse to push it off till next year, by which time Unkil would be preparing to leave Afghanistan.

11. But precisely because Unkil may be preparing to thin out in Afghanistan, they wanted some "results" immediately to validate their approach. As a result, there was intense pressure on Kayani and co since this summer. Just see the number of trips made by TSPA leadership to the US (Kayani, Pasha, CJCSC chief, DGMO etc.). I'm told that they were given maps of camps, locations etc. with an ultimatum - you take them out or we will.

12. As a result, TSPA had to start moving into South Waziristan before dramas could be set up. Meanwhile, Unkil increased drone attacks. Naturally, the jihadi assets in Waziristan likely began feeling that they too might be bali ka bakra and began pre-emptively attacking TSPA where it hurts, just to show that they will not go down quietly.

13. TSPA's nuts are really in a vice now. They have to show results or risk Unkil's wrath not just in South Waziristan but with their core assets like the Haqqanis or in Quetta. But they cannot back off without reason or risk both aid cutoff and loss of H&D inside TSP.

What is the only logical way out of this from a TSPA standpoint?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Insn't this latest dhamaka's 560m closer to Kiya-nahi's quarters! :eek:
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derkonig wrote:AoA AoA AoA
what is a muj to do? first the 100000000000000 bharatiya faujis in cashmere valley & now this....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 190873.cms
yeevil yindoo bear onlee
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Rangudu wrote: What is the only logical way out of this from a TSPA standpoint?
Instigate a massive terrorist attack in India that the GoI cannot ignore, and pray for a Parakram like response. It will unite all pakis and take pressure off from TSPA, while US will push India to "tolerate" the terrorist attack so that TSPA can take action against talibunnies. TSPA will have to divert troops to its eastern borders to "safeguard its territory" while US and India will talk for a couple of months to cool down tempers.

Only thing is that it should be more adventurous than 26/11, something similar to the parliament attack, or an attack on one of the major UPA member ( modi, advani etc may not count as there will be enough wkk types in media and elsewhere to celebrate and not "provocate" the GoI to retaliate against pakis).

No wonder GoI is warning of major attacks!
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:rotfl:
The bear doesn't want kashmir to go to pakistan. Now there's someone who's already voted in the plebiscite. :rotfl:
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AnantD wrote:Insn't this latest dhamaka's 560m closer to Kiya-nahi's quarters! :eek:
Keep them fingers crossed. One step at a time.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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derkonig wrote:AoA AoA AoA
what is a muj to do? first the 100000000000000 bharatiya faujis in cashmere valley & now this....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 190873.cms
Hope to read about this encounter in the latest edition of Karadi Tales :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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What is the only logical way out of this from a TSPA standpoint?
Somehow get India to join the party and retailate. It would be best if India does what it has been doing since 1971 and take preventative action ONLY.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Rangudu,

Excellent summary - that is pretty much how things have worked out, and the PA's direction is predictable.

Only one important disagreement however - Malakand was not a diversion set up by the PA.

For several years Malakand's role was much like Bahwalpur and Multan today - the FATA jihad's rear area where training, rest, recuperation, planning, procurement and storage could safely take place, with local jihadi organisations providing security. A number of people trained for terrorist attacks in the West had connections to guesthouses and 'micro-camps' in Malakand.

The problem for the PA was that the local jihadis were the TNSM, which is very ambitious.
The TNSM's high profile takeover of civil authority was just what the US and UK needed to force Pakistan to demonstrate serious intent.

the TNSM done the same thing in the 1990s, taking over areas in the division, and after 9/11 had recruited tribesmen for jihad against the US in Afghanistan. They were a lose cannon that forced in to an operation it did not want.
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This month Pragati's article on dealing with TSP.

Kind words and guns.
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Proof of Indian involvement in Waziristan found: army
ISLAMABAD: The security forces have found substantial evidence of Indian involvement for assisting terrorists in South Waziristan Agency, Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abbas said.

Indian literature :roll: and weapons under the use of terrorists have been recovered from South Waziristan and more evidence is being gathered,’ he said addressing a joint media briefing on Operation Rah-e-Nijat here Monday.

Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira, Secretary Information Suhail Mansoor and Principal Information Officer Ch Rashid Ahmed were also present.

‘We have sent all the proofs of Indian involvement to the Foreign Office for their onward presentation at the appropriate forum,’ he said.—APP
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Must be Bollywood song books in local language.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Johann

Thank you. Regarding Malakand, I did miss mentioning the TNSM angle. Yes, TSPA did seek to defang TNSM for a long time, but one of their vehicles for that was to use what they believed to be more pliant Deobandi jihadi elements including Fazlullah.

The reason I said Rah-e-Rast was a drama was that by the time TSPA went to Swat, Fazlullah's neo-Taliban had already replaced TNSM elements in the region and TSPA did NOT want to kill the new people there. But eventually, they were forced to kill some of these people by US pressure and ended up pissing off some people they did not want to mess with.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Rangudu,

The whole Swat affair is the perfect example of the PA's deteriorating ability to stage manage affairs.

Forced to admit the jihadi infrastructure of an area they had previously declared peaceful, embarrassed by defiance of the PA's authority, and then finally forced to fight for real.

When, where and how intensely they fight is no longer really up to them.

The question is can the PA be deterred by India from conducting a terrorist attack if a crisis is exactly what the PA wants?

The only people who have the leverage to deter an attack are the Americans or the Chinese.

In that sense Chidambaram's warning is much more likely to have an effect on the USG than the PA. The Americans can not afford to allow Pakistani attacks to succeed and provide the diversion the PA and the Taliban want.

Let us all hope the Americans get it right, because the only winner from an attack that gets through will be the PA and the Taliban.
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Sorry guys if I am violating any 'copyright' by being the second person to notice this, but how appropriate is it that jehadi pigs are targeting folks drawing out money from BANK - because it is Pakistan drawing dividend and interest for all its barbaric investments all these years :lol: :lol:

However, I strongly condemn the attack on pensioners. These folks are a burden on TSP society and should be allowed to remain so. Their years of fanatic barbarianism and reproduction like pigs to produce jehadi piglets is over, why kill them?
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Johann wrote: In that sense Chidambaram's warning is much more likely to have an effect on the USG than the PA. The Americans can not afford to allow Pakistani attacks to succeed and provide the diversion the PA and the Taliban want.

Let us all hope the Americans get it right, because the only winner from an attack that gets through will be the PA and the Taliban.
Is Chidambaram and India counting on Indian public to mount pressure? The public pressure then can be cited to Unkil.
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Please read the entire transcript. It is entertaining and informative.
US State Gov transcript:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/10/131103.htm

QUESTION: But you see, many Pakistanis believe that India is doing some mischief in Balochistan, and there are so many conflicts in Afghanistan and NATO forces are there, your forces are there, and their (inaudible) because some people (inaudible) are encouraging India to do some mischief in Balochistan. And President Musharraf (inaudible) I believe 200 percent {only 200% :oops: ?} it is true that India is doing mischief in Balochistan. And now (inaudible) our interior ministry is repeatedly (inaudible) like that. We want to know what’s the reality, and why it’s not being contradicted by you and scoffed by you.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, first of all, we have no evidence of that. I mean, we just have no evidence of that. So from our perspective, we believe that anything like that, any charge that might be made like that – and Balochistan, as you know, is very – is a very volatile region....Now, India has had its embassy bombed twice in Kabul, and they believe that Pakistani elements were involved in bombing their embassies. I don’t know if that’s true, but certainly the Pakistani Government should say, look, no, that’s not true, we had nothing to do with that.

QUESTION: But the Government of Pakistan has not provided you any information or any evidence about the years of activity in Afghanistan or Balochistan?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Not that I’ve seen. Others in my government may have. I have not seen it. I have not seen anything like that. So I can’t agree with you because I personally don’t have any information. And I know what Prime Minister Singh said and I know what he said when he met with your leadership.
QUESTION: The trade. And the perception in the security apparatus here is that the government is soft on India, the government is soft on the United States, and the government is not looking after the security interests of this country properly, which is why the Foreign Office then comes under pressure. Which is where this questions from, is there a quid pro quo?...And as far as we can tell, in all honesty, India is putting forward conditions which are not going to be easy to meet in terms of the ground situation over here. Maybe in three or four or five years’ time, some action can be taken to dismantle certain groups and things like that. But right now, the government is certainly not in a position to do that. And the establishment – the security establishment is not interested in doing that. {The jihadi is clearly admitting complicity in terrorism}
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Guys, don't read too much into PC remarks. It was in Tamil, in Madurai. When you speak in Tamil, you tend to engage in cinema-dialogue to keep up with the *MK Jones'. Must be a case of literal translation without discounting the tollywood factor.

On another note, to folks breaking their heads trying to explain the recent vispots, it could go back to the Lal Masjid incident which killed a lot of young girls from provinces. You dont antagonise a fanatic barbarian animal armed to the teeth (by yourself in the first place) and not have him use one or two of those against yourself.
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Suppiah wrote:On another note, to folks breaking their heads trying to explain the recent vispots, it could go back to the Lal Masjid incident which killed a lot of young girls from provinces.
And rumor has it that Mushy's hand on the Lal Masjid issue was forced by the tallel than mountain fliends because the employees of red lips massage parlor were undergoing much takleef. Never has a massage proved so costly in the history of humanity :lol:
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French doubt Islamist role in Pakistan bomb-source

French secret service documents have cast doubt on a theory that Islamist militants were responsible for a 2002 bomb attack in Karachi that killed 11 French nationals, a source close to the case said on Monday..."The documents, which are all top secret, show strong scepticism of the al Qaeda theory," the source said.
Now before anyone jumps into the YYY Kanspeerajy theory...
The documents were declassified in October at the request of magistrates who will investigate the possibility that the attack was ordered by Pakistani soldiers angry with France over the non-payment of bribes tied to a defence deal...The French judges are studying the theory that the Pakistani soldiers ordered the attack after a dispute on the payment of commissions in Pakistan linked to the building of the submarine.
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Apparently a Paki admiral had his knee caps knocked out in Paris on a vijit later on. :eek: :twisted:
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Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure took-out some of the Paksitani Navy's brass responsible for the bombing. An admiral had his knees broken inside his own house...

Justice was served by the French way back! Ze matter is settled onlee.
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Chidambaram's retaliation threat needs further analysis. I will not take it lightly as usual hot air. It got to be either psy-ops ( may be he is challenging someone to do something immediately to catch them pants down ) or a real blunt warning. He speaking in Tamil in TN is actually more serious than rhetoric. I believe terror threat to Chennai ( that came out earlier ) may be real and he may have more accurate intel.
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ramana wrote:Must be Bollywood song books in local language.
Literature! Ha! Old dog-eared copies of Cine Blitz and Filmfares, and creased posters of Bollywood heroines (and heroes?) probably.
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Is there any country the spookies have not asked to mediate?
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Muppalla wrote:Chidambaram's retaliation threat needs further analysis. I will not take it lightly as usual hot air. It got to be either psy-ops ( may be he is challenging someone to do something immediately to catch them pants down ) or a real blunt warning. He speaking in Tamil in TN is actually more serious than rhetoric. I believe terror threat to Chennai ( that came out earlier ) may be real and he may have more accurate intel.
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Lets visit the various "major incidents" for the past 3 years

Feb 2007 - Samjhauta bombing
May 2007 - Mecca Masjid bombing
Aug 2007 - Lumbini park bombing
Nov 2007 - Court bombing in Lucknow, Faizabad and Varanasi
May 2008 - 9 bombs in Jaipur
July 2008 - Bangalore blasts
July 2008 - 17 bombs in Ahmedabad
Sep 2008 - 5 bombs in delhi
Sep 2008 - Malegaon, Gujrat blast
Nov 2008 - Mumbai

Nothing so far -- a hiatus of a year (not counting ULFA, Naxalites)

The quiet after Mumbai is not by accident, coincidence or good luck. Someone drew a line in the sand.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Irani-pooki bhai bhai

Iran apprehends eight Pakistanis from Jiwani
QUETTA: In an apparent reaction to the recent arrest of 10 Iranian Revolutionary Guards personnel by the Frontier Corps (FC) last week, the Iranian Marine Security Agency on Sunday arrested eight officials of the Fisheries Department in the Jiwani coastal area.
The Pakistani officials have been charged with illegally crossing into the Iranian territorial waters.
It is the first time that the Iranian officials have arrested such a large number of Pakistani government officials on charges of illegally crossing the border.
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S-e-S is important in this context. india is now enabled to launch surgical strikes at non-state actors and avoid full-scale war with TSPA. TSP will have to swallow it as well without retaliating as they have mentioned that india should join them in fighting terror by non-state actors from their soil.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Rangudu , one basic question. What are US motivations for seeking defanging of Pakistan? Is the desire for such an outcome shared by the Obama administration?
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SSridhar wrote:
Headlines Today claims that several PA personnel are killed in Pindi.
Sridhar,

The Daily Times is similarly reporting that most of those killed in yesterday’s demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan were either “military personnel or employees of the Ministry of Defence”.

This was not a random strike targeting civilians by the Mujaheedin :
Tuesday, November 03, 2009

Most victims defence officials

RAWALPINDI: Majority of those killed in suicide bomb blast near National Bank of Pakistan (NBP) branch at Shalimar Plaza are military personnel or employees of the Ministry for Defence. Most victims are either retired or in service employees of the army and the ministry who came to the bank to draw their salaries or pensions. ............................

Daily Times
The contrast between this carefully targeted strike by the Mujaheedin and the randomness of last weeks strike at Peshawar, leaves me suspecting that the source of the Peshawar strike was not the Mujaheedin but rather the Punjabi dominated Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seeking to punish the Pashtuns / Pathans..
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Zardari faces another debacle - Nirupama Subramanian in The Hindu
The situation today is somewhat similar to the one the government faced in March this year, over the restoration of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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SSridhar wrote:Zardari faces another debacle - Nirupama Subramanian in The Hindu
The situation today is somewhat similar to the one the government faced in March this year, over the restoration of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary.
Well there has been a rapid downhill skiing
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -05-sal-01

Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar announced late in the night that following a meeting of the parliamentary party of the ruling coalition, it was decided not to present the controversial NRO bill before the parliament. He did not say what might become of the NRO, and the cases withdrawn under the controversial ordinance, if it was not passed and turned into an act by the parliament.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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what is the editor doing in TSP when there is a travel advisory to TSP....
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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whats wrong with abdul? No IEDtechology for TSPA today? gotta keep diwali phataka going
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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anupmisra wrote:
ramana wrote:Must be Bollywood song books in local language.
Literature! Ha! Old dog-eared copies of Cine Blitz and Filmfares, and creased posters of Bollywood heroines (and heroes?) probably.
Nah...They're just upset since the copies of Filmfare & Cine Blitz had sticky pages! :twisted:
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