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negi wrote:Ray sir

I don't think this is the time for us to split hairs over internal vs external threat . We all know that GOI and even various STATE govts for all these years turned a blind eye to the problem and over such a long period Naxalites have spread their network across a vast geographical area.
They unlike petty goons or criminals are motivated,trained in guerrilla warfare, well funded and equipped .

If involvement of IA can resolve this mess effectively in relatively less time and keep civilian casualties low , something which it has done in the past in J&K ,NE and even on UN peace keeping missions then why waste precious time ?
No one is splitting hair, if you don't mind my saying so.

The Army is stretched thin.

If it is deployed, it will have to do so. There can be no two ways about it.

But then the tasks at the frontier will be diluted. The choice is yours! Deepak has said so!

Please check how many paramilitary organisations have been raised and what is their strength i.e. numbers? Why were they raised? What is their duty? if everything boils down to rescue by the Army, then let them become the Army and maybe like RR and quell the issues.One control, one training and one ethos!
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Sir

Its all about how serious the people at the helm are about the Naxalite problem. My only point is if this is not dealt with quickly I am pretty sure it will take more men and material to have the mess cleared with every passing month/year . If GOI thinks IPS and paramilitary can handle this (don't know what they were doing all this time :roll: ) then we better see some results else :(( and yapping about "Naxalism is the greatest threat to the Nation" does not mean anything.
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Negi,

I will only say this with all regards. The paramilitary etc can solve it.

Political hacks should be out, but then they (the heads of these organisation or so it appears to me) are but political animals!
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Raising more central paramilitary battalions is the right thing to do. Providing them with specialised training, gear, arms, intell. inputs, legal protections, political backing, higher pay, prestige and perks etc (like CB Naidu did with the Grey hounds) is the right way to go.

RR style setup, wherein IA people come over on deputation to do internal security work, keeps the regular IA as an institution walled off from the corrosive effects of internal security duties - fighting terrorists among one's own citizens without the laws of war to provide guidance.

JMTs of course.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Raising more central paramilitary battalions is the right thing to do. Providing them with specialised training, gear, arms, intell. inputs, legal protections, political backing, higher pay, prestige and perks etc (like CB Naidu did with the Grey hounds) is the right way to go.

RR style setup, wherein IA people come over on deputation to do internal security work, keeps the regular IA as an institution walled off from the corrosive effects of internal security duties - fighting terrorists among one's own citizens without the laws of war to provide guidance.

JMTs of course.
Laws of war and Human Rights govern all Army actions against terrorists and insurgents!!

It is time the para military get their act together and the politicians off their back!
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^^

One has to agree with Brig. Ray C here.

Armies are trained to fight external armies (of adversary nations). There will be a damaging psychological impact among the soldiers and also among the affected civilians if ever the Army were to be used.

Armies do turn against their citizen, our neighbours next door for example. Or in full fledged civil wars, where they fight civilians as well as former comrades that have turned against the government. If someone wishes to send out such a picture to the international community (that of a failed state) then the fight is already lost.

The role of half of dozen para-militaries is interesting. Their combined strength will go beyond that of the Army. They are like well trained and well armed infantries. They are kept in barracks. And they match the IA in numbers.

Are they maintained for fighting internal disturbances?
Or they are insurance against imagined threat to political sissies from the IA (I don't like CT, but the picture I get is not a pretty one)?
Or there is a leadership issue in the CPMFs?

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the army should not be used, period ! the SF may be used from time to time, it will also serve as on the job training for them.

COIN is more or less a policing and intel job, that is how naxals can be broken and have been broken in the past. I'm reasonably confident with the way PC is moving.
the civilian authorities will also have to step up developmental work in spite of the threat and the govt should ensure enough protection for them.
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Rahul M wrote:the army should not be used, period ! the SF may be used from time to time, it will also serve as on the job training for them.
AWMTA :) .

I support

1. Army specialists giving training to policemen
2. Giving best weapons, helicopters to policemen
3. But no use of IA, IF .

Why cant policemen buy and use the helicopters, they way policemen in US do? And if IPS and IAS/Ministers in Home Ministry are no capable of taking these two bit naxals, citizens should expel all these incompetent morons and get better ones in their place.

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Rahul Mehta wrote:Why cant policemen buy and use the helicopters, they way policemen in US do?
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Police in Megacities to get Helicopters -but doesnt look likely in Maoist infested area
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there's no reason why CPO's like the CRPF and the COBRA can't get helos, the BSF already does.
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I think it is because in India Airforce normally not being used for COIN oparations. I dont remember hearing use of airforce. Correct me if I am wrong. But we should use them. Why not have some Druvs for COBRA's and etc.
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I wasn't talking of the air force. major metropolitan police forces and central police forces should have access to helo's. that has nothing to do with IAF.

BSF already operates helos and embraer EMB 135, those are not IAF birds.
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West Bengal: Maoists kill four jawans
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/nov/ ... jawans.htm

November 08, 2009 20:34 IST

In a surprise attack by the Maoists, four security personnel were killed and their arms looted in Jhargram sub-division of Naxal affected West Midnapore district on Sunday.

Kuldip Singh, IG (Western Range), said the jawans of the Eastern Frontier Rifles were attacked when they were patrolling near a police camp close to a school in Gidhni Bazaar area under Jamboni police station.

The bodies of all the four jawans were lying at the bazaar area. The Maoists escaped with arms looted from the slain jawans. :x

The incident took place at around 5.30 pm after the Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee [ Images ] and senior state government officials left West Midnapore district for Kolkata [ Images ] after a two-day visit, police said.
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Pranav wrote:The bodies of all the four jawans were lying at the bazaar area. The Maoists escaped with arms looted from the slain jawans.
Even in areas like J&K where terrorism is much more extreme, it is very rare that we hear of security personnel being killed in the day light, and their weapons stolen. This is the case with Army or CPO personnel. These four jawans, are they from the armed police battalions of West Bengal state police? How adequately are these "Armed" police battalion personnel trained to do combing operations etc.?
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* 4 jawans killed, Maoist leader claims responsibility


STAFF WRITER 0:8 HRS IST

Midnapore (WB), Nov 8 (PTI) Claiming responsibility for the gunning down of four Eastern Frontier Rifle jawans, the CPI (Maoists) tonight dared the West Bengal and Central governments to deploy as much forces as they wanted in the trouble-torn West Midnapore district.

"We have killed the four jawans as they tortured innocent school children who had taken out a rally in the area yesterday demanding the educational institutions be vacated by joint security forces and their classes resume at the earliest," Maoist leader Koteshar Rao alias Kishanji told PTI from an undisclosed destination.

"We will win the war. Let the Centre deploy as much forces as they want," the top Maoist leader shot back
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From wikipedia purana:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Benga ... ier_Rifles
Eastern Frontier Rifles

The Eastern Frontier Rifles are a paramilitary force of the WBP, the purpose of which is to control major law & order problems, communal riots and terrorist attacks. Many contingents of EFR are kept deployed in various disturbed areas of the State. However, in recent years the effectiveness of this force has been weakened by overuse and prolonged deployment at Police Stations for day-to-day law & order duties.
So I would not assume their effectiveness to be any more than the cops who got caught in the US Consulate shootout in Calcutta some years back.
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Rahul Mehta wrote:
Rahul M wrote:the army should not be used, period ! the SF may be used from time to time, it will also serve as on the job training for them.
AWMTA :) .

I support

1. Army specialists giving training to policemen
2. Giving best weapons, helicopters to policemen
3. But no use of IA, IF .

Why cant policemen buy and use the helicopters, they way policemen in US do? And if IPS and IAS/Ministers in Home Ministry are no capable of taking these two bit naxals, citizens should expel all these incompetent morons and get better ones in their place.

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Finally Mehta ji speaks of something I agree with him 400% So sometimes AWM do TA :wink:
Army is NOT the panacea for every internal law-and-order situation just like raising "commando" units with fancy names is not the solution for every urban terrorist strike. IA is already doing way above and beyond its original mandate without any complaints. Our basic police force has to pull up its socks (or rather the netas who play musical chairs with them have to get this hammered into their heads). Our netas are too interested in just undertaking symbolic gestures without solving the key problems on the ground. Calling for more central police battalions is also not going to solve it, if the local police is only made capable of wielding rusty .303s and chewing paan.

Pranav wrote:The bodies of all the four jawans were lying at the bazaar area. The Maoists escaped with arms looted from the slain jawans.
4 jawans are shot and their dead bodies are left lying there without a single local daring to move them or take care of them. Hardly think the babus in Writers building whining for more CPO companies and claiming it is the "Centre's Problem" is going to make a difference. :evil:
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What is AWMTA?
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All Wise Men Think Alike - a phrase introduced by Rahul Mehta some years back. You might want to browse the authentic B-R dictionary (created by ArmenT): http://sites.google.com/site/brfdictionary/. For example, http://sites.google.com/site/brfdiction ... /a-1/awmta.
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Raja Bose wrote:So I would not assume their effectiveness to be any more than the cops who got caught in the US Consulate shootout in Calcutta some years back.
Okay, so looks like the West Bengal police establishment is not at all geared for dealing with any CI operations. No wonder they expect the CPOs to do the dirty job :(. "Eastern Frontier Rifles", "Bihar Military Police" all seems to be some fanciful names for "Armed Reserve Police" (which is the nomenclature used in other states). More than being a readily available armed reserve cadre, more often these policemen are a kind of force used as an additional police personnel for doing normal law and order policing.
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figures on the fitness level and how many days of firing drills they get every year will be telling. I have heard tales like getting to fire a few rounds per annum from certain quarters...many a time their rifles wont work when needed.

the naxals may not all have sophisticated arms but they one thing they
do train hard at mass firing on target and roaming in the jungles they
are anyway pretty fit.

atleast our avg armed police must match that level of fitness and
drills if the tide is to be turned.
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Seeing the currrent and upcoming threats to internal security, the training of Indian police should be oriented towards armed combat. Each cop should be able to engage the enemy in a firefight. The days of lathi-weilding "law and order" cops experts in crowd control are getting over. It is time write new training manuals for police schools.
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The November Offensive
* The offensive will be spread over the next five years
* A special forces school, a special forces unit and an army brigade HQ will be set up near Bilaspur. The Bde HQ will participate in anti-Maoist ops in the future. The army is looking for 1,800 acres of land to set up the infrastructure.
* The IAF is looking for 300 acres for its base
* MHA is sitting on a plan to redeploy the Rashtriya Rifles
* For now, 27 battalions of the Border Security Force and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police will be moved into Chhattisgarh, Orissa and Maharashtra
* The paramilitary forces will be supported by six Mi-17 IAF choppers
* The helicopters will have on board the IAF's special force, the GARUDS, to secure the chopper and conduct combat search and rescue operations
* The offensive will be in seven phases. Each phase has been marked areawise as Operating Areas (OAs).
* OA-1 involves moving along a north-south axis from Kanker, Chhattisgarh, and on an east-west axis from Gadchiroli in Maharashtra and span the Abuj Marh forests used by the Maoists as a training centre and logistics base


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The deep scars on constable Anup Sethi (name changed) are still visible to those who care to see. A year ago, while on an undercover mission in Dantewada, one of the worst-affected districts of Chhattisgarh, Sethi was caught by the Maoists, his AK-47 snatched away and his face and arms slashed with knives. He was allowed to live, since he was once a Naxalite. Back in uniform now, Sethi regrets the loss of his AK-47, but has now opted for something the Indian army discarded a decade ago: the older 7.62 mm Self-Loading Rifle (SLR). “It shoots straighter and kills better,” he says, patrolling deep in the jungles of Dantewada on a sunny afternoon.

For years, the ragged security infrastructures in the Naxal-affected states of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have worked in isolation, pitting their motley crew of state police and central paramilitary forces againstMaoists—the whole thing was marked by an absence of strategy. The wheels might now begin to turn. Come November, and the Centre will mark the beginning of a coordinated, seven-phase offensive to take on Maoists in their core areas. For the first time, the ground is being laid for involving the Indian army and air force should the need arise, and strengthening existing state and paramilitary forces.




For the first time ever in chhattisgarh, the army is setting up a brigade headquarters.



With each part of the operation designated areawise as OAs or Operating Areas, the November Offensive will mark the first phase. A two-pronged attack, it will begin simultaneously in the Kanker district of Chhattisgarh and Gadchiroli in Maharashtra, together characterised as OA1. The objective is to proceed on a north-to-south axis from Kanker and a west-to-east axis from Gadchiroli, and meet at the 6,000 sq km swathe of forest called the Abuj Marh, which is “unknown jungle” in the local Gondi dialect of the tribals (see map). Indeed, the Marh is an impenetrable forest that has not even been mapped for revenue records and has therefore served as a major training and logistics base for the Maoists for years. The strategy now is to push ahead, hit Abuj Marh and then hold ground.


Red hood: Locals pledge support to Maoists in the jungles of Bastar

OA1 secured, it’ll serve as a logistics base for the next phase of operations—OA2—to be conducted in the Maoist-affected districts of Dantewada, Narayanpur, Bijapur and Bastar. Orissa’s bordering districts won’t conduct any offensive operations, with troops being deployed only in a defensive posture to hold ground and prevent Maoists fleeing Chhattisgarh from entering the forests there.

Preparations have been under way for a while. As a major step, however, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) cleared a pending proposal of the army headquarters to set up a special forces school, a special forces unit and a brigade HQ in Chhattisgarh. “The army wanted 1,800 acres of land, and we identified Bilaspur as the area for setting up the brigade headquarters,” Vishwa Ranjan, the director-general of police, Chhattisgarh, told Outlook. “As of now, Indian army officials are scouting around for contiguous land and the district collector has been instructed to help them set up the headquarters.” Bilaspur is Chhattisgarh’s third-largest city, and also the headquarters of the South Central Railway. With this, the army will be set to play a role beyond its present responsibility of training paramilitary forces like the Border Security Force (BSF) and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP).

The Indian air force too will, for the first time, have a task cut out for it in anti-Maoist operations. Six Russian Mi-17 helicopters have been earmarked to aid the paramilitary forces on ground. Two each will be placed in Nagpur in Maharashtra, Orissa and Jagdalpur, the district headquarters of Bastar, to aid troops in conducting operations in inaccessible areas as well as casualty evacuation. The choppers will also carry the IAF’s special forces—the Garuds—to secure the aircraft and conduct combat search and rescue operations. According to sources in the air headquarters, the CCS also agreed that the air force choppers will have the permission to fire back in self-defence.


Dantewada a house is checked for a suspected Maoist

Besides, the Centre and states are planning to send in nearly 27 battalions (of 800 to 1,000 men each) of the BSF and ITBP into Chhattisgarh, Orissa and Maharashtra to augment existing troops. The MHA is also sitting on a plan to redeploy the elite Rashtriya Rifles in the area once the brigade HQ is set up. A specialised force raised by the army to combat insurgency in Kashmir, RR will be diverted from Jammu & Kashmir “once the situation is more stable in Kashmir”, a senior official of the Union ministry of home affairs told Outlook. The BSF and RR, unlike other paramilitary forces, have heavy weaponry like medium-range machine guns, mortars and rocket launchers. This will take the new offensive to an altogether different level.

And Chhattisgarh is slated to be a major theatre of action in the November offensive. DGP Vishwa Ranjan was a former Madhya Pradesh cadre police officer who spent the better part of his professional life in the Intelligence Bureau studying the Maoists, their tactics and strategies and gathering intelligence on their activities and sudden growth in the last several years. He was chosen by the central and state government to head back to Chhattisgarh to train and deploy a police force that seemed to be losing its way against the Maoists. “The Maoist literature available with us clearly states that they are preparing for a war with the Indian army,” says Ranjan. “They have trained and equipped themselves for such a war. But come November and we will be launching a fresh new offensive against them.”




The idea is that if J&K stabilises, rashtriya rifles can be freed for deployment in the areas held by maoists.



After Ranjan took over, training methods were changed, fresh forces raised and new equipment brought in. Serving and retired Indian army personnel were brought in to train the Chhattisgarh police and reorient them in jungle strategy and warfare, battlecraft and special operations. The idea was to give the men the confidence to take on the Maoists and raise a force like Andhra’s Greyhounds, a specialised police force that operated in the jungles bordering Chhattisgarh and Orissa tracking Maoists. Earlier, the state had set up a counter-terrorism and jungle warfare school in Kanker district in 2005, and put it under the charge of Brig B.K. Ponwar, a retired commandant of the army’s jungle warfare school. Serving jcos from the army now impart training to all Chhattisgarh police personnel at the school. “Training in the school is now mandatory for all officers and men of the Chhattisgarh police,” says DGP Ranjan. The Chhattisgarh police in turn has set up a new school to train the men and officers of the Special Task Force men under a former Special Forces officer, Col R. Sharma.


Training Day: Army SF instructor Col Sharma at the STF school

The infusion of the army’s platoon- and company-level tactics has already begun to pay dividends. The police now conduct surgical operations, living off the land in dense forest for weeks chasing Maoist ‘dalams’ and local guerrilla squads who have their own doctrines, strategies and training (see box).

Will this strategy work? Hitherto, the government had neither any strategy nor the will to counter the problem. The MHA, the nodal agency for all internal security issues, did have a Maoist management division, but it was staffed with bureaucrats who had never served in Maoist-affected states or had any experience in counter-insurgency. The police bore the brunt of the Maoist attacks, yet weren’t included at the policymaking level to be able to make a meaningful contribution.

With things drifting thus, police casualties had begun to mount in the recent past, compounded as their woes were by lack of adequate training and equipment. The deployment of the Central Reserve Police Force proved to be another disaster. Ill-equipped and ill-trained for the job, many of its personnel lost their lives in mines and IEDs laid on village roads by the Maoists. Understandably, the CRPF panicked and restricted its men from operating beyond a radius of 5 km beyond their camps, which has now been revised to a radius of 8 km.

Things began to change and an anti-Maoist strategy began to take shape once P. Chidambaram took charge as the new minister of home affairs post-26/11. To begin with, a serving brigadier of the Indian army was brought into the MHA to formulate strategies, while a police officer was posted as a joint secretary in the anti-Maoist division. Serious deliberations thereon have culminated in the November offensive.

The MHA intends to start development works in areas that are cleared and secured. But as the build-up for the offensive begins, police in the area is getting rapidly militarised and the scars of a protracted conflict have begun to appear on civil society. Are Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Maharashtra headed the Manipur or Kashmir way? Will the recent spate of violence by the Maoists evoke a more lethal response from a state digging in its heels for a long war? Many more shades of grey might invade the frame gradually as the battle for the soul and the very idea of India enters a decisive phase.

By Saikat Datta in Dantewada, Bastar and Kanker, Chhattisgarh Photographs by Tribhuvan Tiwari
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As people in Germany are celebrating the fall of Berlin wall, the Stalinist rapist goons propaganda yellow daily is making a pathetic attempt to p.ss on the parade..

BTW it is time to have a dedicated thread of yellow propaganda menace which is somewhat separate from Red menace..
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sanjaychoudhry wrote:Seeing the currrent and upcoming threats to internal security, the training of Indian police should be oriented towards armed combat. Each cop should be able to engage the enemy in a firefight. The days of lathi-weilding "law and order" cops experts in crowd control are getting over. It is time write new training manuals for police schools.
I agree

Each cop should have a .45, and one AK47 . No sarcasm, I am serious.

And we should recrtuit 15,00,000 more cops nation wide.

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Here I do not agree. Most of the naxal and other insurgent activities are criminal in nature. We need to find out who is providing them money, aid and things like that. We can not do that by arming the police. We need to have more people in inteligence, investegation areas. By cutting funding and by catching the leadership which is actually living in cities and their other over gound supporters and front organisations people we can weaken them substancially and we may need very few forces to finish the remaining armed gangs.

How many armed people are there even today ??? 25,000 ??? what is their training levels, weapons ? leadership ?? organisation ? logistics ? and to fight them we need 15,00,000 people ??? Most of the people are to paid by the leadership. Do you really believe that these people are comming in because they love Mao and China ??? No most of them are there for money even small amounts. I hear leaders are paid quite well by the movement. So how much it costs to continue the movement at this scale. Remember these are not just few people who are involved in hit and run tactics. They want to have their own libarated zones. So they need funds etc to run their activities. Hit them by stopping funds flow, eliminate their leadership by one way or another and cut moral support from jholawalas then they will be more easy to finish off.
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Quite frankly if you eliminate the overground 10-15 overground foreign funded types, the naxal menace will be delt a severe blow
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headlines today was showing some maoist training manuals which were copied from
IA field manuals. shows diagramatically and in simple language how to tackle various targets like patrol - it showed one group to engage from the front, one grp to outflank from the right. for static targets it asked to gherao in concentric rings.
video showed maoists with rifles jumping over rows of low hurdles much as a soldier would do.
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Left humiliated in West Bengal, Kerala citadels, Mamata also settles a personal score with Cong

Wed, Nov 11 05:56 AM

The Left's miserable electoral run continued as the Trinamool Congress, surging ahead with a vote-share larger than it had in the Lok Sabha polls, handed another humiliating defeat to Left Front major CPM which drew a blank in the bypolls in West Bengal. In Kerala, the other Left citadel, the Congress won all three seats, defeating the Communists.

Of the ten seats where bypolls where held in West Bengal, the Trinamool Congress, which fielded candidates in seven, made a clean sweep, winning all. Ally Congress, which contested three, won only one when it retained the Sujapur seat in Malda.

The Forward Bloc was the only Left Front outfit to win a seat. A stunning outcome was the Gorkha Janamukti Morcha-backed Independent's victory in Kalchini in Jalpaiguri district. The RSP was the loser there. The CPM drew a blank in all the six seats it contested.

Jubilant, Trinamool Congress chief Mamata Banerjee told reporters in Delhi: "The CPM should give up now and take rest. They are paying for the sins they committed in the last 32 years."

In 2006, seven of the ten seats went to the Trinamool Congress and Congress while the remaining three were held by the Left Front two by the CPM and one by RSP.

The West Bengal results, while reflecting the trend of growing support for the Trinamool Congress, also sent out some hard messages.

For one, Mamata Banerjee exacted sweet revenge for the hurt the Congress caused the Trinamool earlier in Siliguri this time, the Congress was defeated by the Forward Bloc in Goalpokhor, a seat in Uttar Dinajpur which had been vacated by Banerjee's adversary within the alliance, Deepa Dasmunsi, wife of Priya Ranjan Dasmunsi.

During the formation of the Siliguri municipal board, Deepa Dasmunsi played a key role in mustering Left support in favour of a Congress chairman, much to the annoyance of Banerjee.

Banerjee settled scores in Goalpokhor, ensuring it went out of Dasmunsi's control. Not only did the Forward Bloc candidate bridge the 2006 deficit of 8,000 plus votes but surged ahead with a margin of over 14,000 votes over the Congress candidate. In short, some 22,000 voters switched allegiance this time a large section of the Congress-TMC support base voted for the Forward Bloc.

Banerjee rubbed it in, telling reporters that "Congress lost one seat but altogether the alliance performed well".

An upset Deepa Dasmunsi said: "This result is unexpected. We are analysing how it happened. We have been able to partly identify the reasons. The facts will be placed before the right persons at the right moment." State Congress leaders too said an inquiry would be held into the Goalpokhor defeat.

For the stunned CPM, the worst shock was in Belgachia East where the late Subhas Chakraborty's wife Ramola Chakraborty lost to Trinamool's Sujit Bose by a margin of over 28,000 votes. CPM state secretary and politburo member Biman Bose admitted "people have voted against us, we will have to analyse the results."

In Kerala, the LDF suffered a blow in politically sensitive Kannur where Congress candidate and former CPM MP Abdullakutty emerged victorious by 12,000 votes over M V Jayarajan of CPM. Abdullakutty, who represented Kannur twice in the Lok Sabha on a CPM ticket, was expelled from the party a few months ago following serious differences with the Left leadership. He then joined the Congress.

Congress candidates Dominic Presentation trounced CPM's P N Sinulal in Ernakulam by over 8,000 votes while his colleague A A Shukur retained Alappuzha seat by defeating G Krishaparasad of CPI by 4,000 votes.

The results showed that UDF had been able to repeat its Lok Sabha performance when it bagged 16 of the 20 seats in the state. The current round of elections were seen as a dress rehearsal for the 2011 Assembly polls to be preceded by civic elections in Kerala next year.
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Mass murderer, rapist goon propaganda yellow daily has, as expected, not mentioned anything about the defeat of the traitor gangs. One can expect them as well as other yellow media puppets, including fake NGO's, fake-human rights sympathisers to ratchet up the noise level on 'Hindutva' and Modi and all the other usual noises. Just to turn the focus away from the defeat of their masters. Strangely, they are also turning against the dynasty, making a big issue by raking up 1984....

I think Beijing is going to order a purge now.
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Suppiah wrote:as expected, not mentioned anything about the defeat of the traitor gangs.
In the socialist republic of Kerala another dirty tactic was employed this time. Kannur District (Northern Kerala) is pretty much like the "Gaulish village" in Asterix comics. This place is like a mini-commie dictatorship with commie mafiosi pretty much running its hukkummat. Rival political parties (the Romans) cannot do much here.

In here, commies brought large number of its supporters from other parts of the district/state and settled them in the election constituency area with fake residency certificates etc. Media and rival parties how ever exposed this scam with evidence. The election commission (Caesar) this time sent in more central police troops, and observers (legionaries) to the "Gaulish village". But unlike in Asterix comics, the legionaries this time did a good job, and it was time for the "Gauls" to run for cover. The fakes were all clearly identified. No attack took place any where in the district and all was peaceful. The CPI reminded us of the "Pirates" who any way lose their ship. CPI lost out in one of their constituencies this time as well.

The UDF candidate who won at Kannur was Abdullahkutty, who was an ex-commie himself. He had openly praised Narendra Modi for his devolopment schemes in Gujarath. This had irked "Vitalstatistix & Co" who threw him out.
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Let us not use nice comic book characters to compare with mass murderers and traitors :lol: perhaps you can compare with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and other 'socialists'
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Aditya_V wrote:Quite frankly if you eliminate the overground 10-15 overground foreign funded types, the naxal menace will be delt a severe blow
This is what I mean. The worst kind of Cummie are the jholawala's, Writers (What????) intelectual ( :rotfl: ) and media people. If we deal some good blows to these people them 90% of the probelm is solved. Rest can be sloved by giving some good administration in the rural areas particularly in forest and tribal areas. Delivory system will solve lot of problems. But as long as these naxals are there they will not allow anything positive to happen
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I do hope people are using the word eliminate as in "eliminating their influence" and not something else.
Delivory system will solve lot of problems.
that is unfortunately easier said than done. the performances of the govt's hasn't inspired too much confidence in their ability to achieve this in the short term.
one way would be to ensure that at least one development parameter, education reaches these people so that they feel confident of solving their own problems rather than having to depend on shady intermediaries like the mafiawadi's.
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Nandigram rapist goons' propaganda yellow rag has come out with a disgusting 'analysis' of the recent electoral debacle. The only good thing you can say about that is that far from learning lessons the Stalinist brigade is trying to drown in its own propaganda vomit and lies. Which is not unusual. There is a pathetic attempt to equate Mamata and Maoists when it is left cabal that worships the same mass murderers and rapist goons and shares the same 'intellectual' infrastructure. There is also a too clever by half attempt, a pathetically camoflauged one, to create split between dynasty and MB.

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Someone: Delivory system will solve lot of problems.

Rahul M:

1. that is unfortunately easier said than done. the performances of the govt's hasn't inspired too much confidence in their ability to achieve this in the short term.

2. one way would be to ensure that at least one development parameter, education reaches these people so that they feel confident of solving their own problems rather than having to depend on shady intermediaries like the mafiawadi's.
1. True and AWMTA :) . Blocking funding is impossible, period. And as long as funding comes and naxals keep getting raw man-power, the weapons' supply chain will continue.

2. "bhuke pet bhajan na hoi" i.e. "one cant pray with empty stomach" i.e. education is pipe dream as long as raw hunger is not solved. And even when speaking about education, as long as there is rampant corruption in offices of CM, Education Minister and District Education Officer, no education will reach to kids of commons. Forget Naxal areas, even in Ahmedabad, the municipal schools have deteriorated to a point that the students who study there for class I-VII do not pass Xth class board exam. The system can be fixed by OST means discussed in other thread. But till those OST means are adopted, education will never reach kids of commons.

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Rahul M wrote:I do hope people are using the word eliminate as in "eliminating their influence" and not something else.
I think that those who want to "eliminate" want to physically eliminate them - make them disappear or encountered. If not I would request the pro-elimination people to clarify. So let me ask the elimination-waadies : when you talk about elimination of overground naxal sympathizers like A Roy etc, you mean reducing influence in citizens or do you mean their arrest, imprisonment, encounter or "disappearing"?
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Rahul Mehta wrote:I think that those who want to "eliminate" want to physically eliminate them - make them disappear or encountered. If not I would request the pro-elimination people to clarify. So let me ask the elimination-waadies : when you talk about elimination of overground naxal sympathizers like A Roy etc, you mean reducing influence in citizens or do you mean their arrest, imprisonment, encounter or "disappearing"?
These questions should not be asked or replied in an open forum. Nobody can write/suggest openly to encounter or kill so and so if not from TSP. You are un-necessarily putting folks into discomfort. It is for the reader to interpret whatever he/she wants. Why should we define. Whether they are physically eleminated or their existance is as good as dead it is all same result. What is the pont in asking such questions?
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Systematic elimination is going to cause havoc , it might seem inviting prospect in the short run but will surely be a disaster for India's image projection. The only way to counter the intellectuals pro-maoist propaganda is through anti-maoist propaganda , jholawalas try to influence the urbane community towards sympathizing with the naxals , the govt. (and the media) can very well counter this and show the naxals for what they actually are (terrorists). Anti-naxal sentiment can spread like wild fire and drown out intellectual voices in civil society.
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