Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

All threads that are locked or marked for deletion will be moved to this forum. The topics will be cleared from this archive on the 1st and 16th of each month.
Locked
Hari Seldon
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9374
Joined: 27 Jul 2009 12:47
Location: University of Trantor

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Hari Seldon »

Malayappan wrote:The now deleted Islamism thread would have been more appropriate as Ashok Malik covers more than just Pakistan here. Anyone read the book he is referring to?

A possible alternative, Ashok Malik The Pioneer, Saturday, November 14, 2009
http://www.dailypioneer.com/215632/A-po ... ative.html
Brilliant, bloody brilliant. Must read indeed.

Indonesia's loss still rankles. The steady growth of Arabic cultural imperialism cannot buit be divorced from the tons upon tons of petrodollahs drilled out of Arabic soil. KSA realizes it has a limited window of opportunity to consolidate its empire. Once the oil runs out, so will its influence. And it has made up for lost time of the pre-oil era by accelarating its mosque-building activity in practically every country on Earth. We have to watch for mosque funding sources currently flowing into places ranging from Kerala to kashmir, from Gorakhpur along the Nepal border to Asom.

Can only hope the intell agencies are alive to the threat. Gross negligence on their part, otherwise.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25382
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by SSridhar »

Malayappan wrote:A possible alternative, Ashok Malik The Pioneer, Saturday, November 14, 2009
http://www.dailypioneer.com/215632/A-po ... ative.html
Reality may not be so black and white. It is more likely the Islamisation of Pakistan’s polity and society — the tussle between an upper crust that is half embarrassed, half in denial and, at the back of its mind, very, very afraid, and the mullah-jihadi duumvirate — will be a gradual one.

For security reasons, external powers will shore up the nominally secular or moderate elite. The debate between local traditions and mono-cultural, Arab interpretations of Islam will be long drawn, and while headed in one direction will not end in one day, perhaps not even in one century. What it will do, however, is paralyse a society and not let it achieve its potential.
Ashok Malik has written a wonderful peace and the book by Dhume must be a very interesting read indeed.

However, I have some differences with the above analysis. We cannot extrapolate Indonesia to Pakistan. Pakistan is an incomparable class act by itself.

The upper crust, otherwise known as RAPE here in BRf, know fully well that their goose is cooked. They are only trying to delay the inevitable as much as possible. Like in Indonesia, the fundamentalist and extremist attitudes are pervading the society and have been so in Pakistan for a long time. The similarity between Indonesia and Pakistan will end there. Pakistan is by an order of magnitude more dangerous than Indonesia due to many reasons. The strongest reason is the support of the state for these efforts unlike Indonesia. Besides, the geographical location of Pakistan, adjacent to Afghanistan and Iran have had their influences as well. Such influences are absent in a far away island nation of Indonesia. Again, the clever Pakistani mullahs had taken efforts immediately after Independence to erase the calming Hindu influences which the Indonesian clergy didn't do.

When the collapse comes, it will be quick because the stilts on which TSP is standing have already been corroded beyond repair. The vast majority of Pakistanis have a certain worldview that coincides largely with the Islamist jihadi ideas as well. Ultimately, those who profess a purer variety of religion, always at sword or gun point, will win as the others will acquiesce in the act by simply choosing not to protest. We see that in Pakistan every day. No political party condemned strongly the tactics of the AQAM (Al Qaeda and Allied Movements) such as bomb blasts or suicide bombing etc. On the contrary, people look in awe at these new messiahs. The huge mass of foot soldiers in the Af-Pak region will ensure that the jihadi Islamists shall win and such a situation does not exist in Indonesia. The Pakistani society and government have been paralyzed for the last six years. But for the US support, the state would have keeled over. However, all this support is still not stopping the corrossion that goes on unhindered.

Let us not forget that Indonesia looks up to Pakistani mentors and madrasseh for their jihadi Islamism. Pakistani terror organizations have established close operational contacts with Jemmah Islamia of Indonesia. LeT trained Jemmah Islamiya foot soldiers in camps in Pakistan and Kashmir. On Sep. 20, 2003, Rusman Gunawan, the brother of the Indonesian terror chief, Hambali, was arrested from a madrassah in Karachi. He had already stayed there for four years collecting funds and directing operatives and operations. Afghanistan and Kashmir have acted as places for baptising by fire these foot soldiers. Bereft of all these, Indonesia is a laggard.
James B
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2249
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 21:23
Location: Samjhautha Express with an IED

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by James B »

Watch this video to see what RAPEs feel about Taliban

Gerard
Forum Moderator
Posts: 8012
Joined: 15 Nov 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Gerard »

CIA winked at Pak Army training camps for LT
PARIS: Pakistan’s army once ran training camps for the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LT) militant group with the apparent knowledge of the CIA, an example of complicity that raises questions about the current state of the nuclear-armed nation.

So says former French investigating magistrate Jean-Louis Bruguiere, author of a new book that provides rare insight both into alleged past army support for the defunct Lashkar-e-Taiba and to the group’s connections to a global network linked to al-Qaeda.
shravan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2212
Joined: 03 Apr 2009 00:08

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by shravan »

Blast in Peshawar

Seven Police Personnel Killed.

Added Later
---
Seven killed in Peshawar car bomb blast

Peshawar, Nov. 14 (ANI): At least seven persons, including a policeman were killed in a car bomb blast outside a police station here on Saturday.

Saturday’s blast came a day after another blast had claimed at least eight lives on Friday.
Last edited by shravan on 14 Nov 2009 17:04, edited 1 time in total.
Hari Seldon
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9374
Joined: 27 Jul 2009 12:47
Location: University of Trantor

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Hari Seldon »

shravan wrote:Blast in Peshawar

Seven Police Personnel Killed.
Wow.

Just wondering if anyone has a map of peshawar at all. The bums going off when plotted on it would like a traditional rangoli design. And the Talib influence areas would look like the henna or mehndi designs only.

H S
anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9203
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by anupmisra »

They (the free thinking world) should rename the Indus River as River Nile.
Thus, the pukistan can be henceforth correctly renamed "Land of The Nile" (Land of Denial).
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25382
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by SSridhar »

Hillary's new blank page
Unlike one of her distinguished predecessors who, on her first visit to Pakistan in the late 90s as secretary of state came wearing a shorter skirt than she normally wore only to signal her distaste for Pakistani culture, in her public appearances, Ms Clinton remained fully conscious of local sensitivities . . .
This is Shamshad Ahmed, ex Foreign Secretary of TSP. His tenure coincided with Madelline Albright's tenure. So, he is talking from first hand knowledge.
On a lighter side, Ms Clinton perhaps didn't notice that her visit to Lahore did bring an instant change. Governor Salman Taseer while receiving her took off his dark glasses only to show her that he too has blue eyes.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13533
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by A_Gupta »

From http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/11/cubas_soft_powe/
To make a long and very fascinating story short, Fidel Castro organized a team of 1,500 doctors into the "Henry Reeves Brigade" and offered them to the US to provide support for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Predictably, the US declined the gesture. Shortly after, a major earthquake hit the heavily Islamic fundamentalist region along the border of Pakistan and Kashmir.

Castro sent the brigade to Pakistan to help earthquake survivors and those suffering long-term shock and other problems related to the earthquake in the months after.

The current Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez -- who was then a deputy foreign minister -- was dispatched along with the Reeves Brigade to oversee the medical operations in the mountainous, difficultly accessed earthquake zone.

Americans and Europeans also sent medical teams -- one major base camp each that stayed about a month each. The Cubans sent seven major base camps and thirty field hospitals, remaining for a year.

Reportedly, the Cubans, American and European medical personnel coordinated well in the field and worked together without incident. In one case, a Cuban doctor had to dress in a full hijab as a female doctor in order to deliver the baby of a local woman -- who would have been subjected to harsh punishment if known that a male doctor did this. But the Cubans did send many female doctors and health professionals as well.

At the time this all occurred, Pakistan and Cuba did not have diplomatic relations -- and today they do. And their are Cuban doctors doing work in Pakistan today -- and Pakistani students studying at the Latin American School of Medicine.
Suppiah
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2569
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 11:31
Location: -
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Suppiah »

The Pioneer article is well written but has flaws.

The author is right in stating that Islamic societies have an inbuilt risk of radicalisation and fanaticism. They are, in other words, constantly standing on a slippery slope, that is a gentle gradient at times and sometimes a fairly steep one. This is true just as some races are more prone to diabetes or have trouble digesting milk etc..The evidence in this direction is strong. Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia the three biggest and most modern, moderate of the Islamic states are all suffering from this Arab disease in various degrees.

I had posted this in many threads many times in the past in many words. Remember the story of KL airport announcing all flights in Arabic though hardly a small minority of travelers are Arabs who in any case understand English? Many more passing through that airport speak Tamil, Hindi and Cantonese among others.

Having said that, Indonesia is likely to be successful in preventing political Islam of the Arab kind take over a bunch of moderate, humble, nice people. Even in Malaysia where the disease has reached a much more virulent stage, the result is by no means certain. I would be happy to bet that the cultural wealth accumulated for thousands of years, primarily through contact with India, would keep them in good health.

TSP is very very different. It does not need others to know how to become fanatic barbarians. It is a society and a nation founded on the principles of fanatic barbarianism and an inability to live peacefully with other religions or be governed by laws that have humanity and civil values as foundation. Remember, 100m Muslims decided to stay in India, live in a secular state as friends with Hindus and Christians and participate in its far from perfect democracy.

TSP was the choice for those who did not have such beliefs or ideas.

For that very simple reason it already suffers from a incurable mutation of the disease.
Suppiah
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2569
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 11:31
Location: -
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Suppiah »

Hasan had links with TSP

A snippet from that article..quote from a Republican Senator whose compass is pointing in the exact direction...
But if he is wiring money to Pakistan, that could be terrorist financing. If he was receiving money from Pakistan, that is more significant
That kind of logic is very simple..and very accurate. If you are wiring money to TSP, it can only be to finance terrorism. If you are getting it then it is 300% sure case of terrorism being financed..
Avinash R
BRFite
Posts: 1973
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 19:59

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Avinash R »

A_Gupta wrote:From http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/11/cubas_soft_powe/

At the time this all occurred, Pakistan and Cuba did not have diplomatic relations -- and today they do. And their are Cuban doctors doing work in Pakistan today -- and Pakistani students studying at the Latin American School of Medicine.
Now cubans too will get a taste of pakistani way of saying thanks,
like the french engineers who were blown to pieces by the suicide bomber in karachi as a sign of gratitude for the french submarines,
like americans who are being attacked after they pay pakistan $10billion every year,
like himalayan friend china which gives fighter planes and gets pakistani freedom fighters for free in xinjiang,
like FOP donor iran which promised to help shore up pakistan's deteriorating economy and was promptly thanked by pakistan with suicide bombers who killed iranian military commanders.
Kati
BRFite
Posts: 1909
Joined: 27 Jun 1999 11:31
Location: The planet Earth

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Kati »

Some soul searching .....

The Convenient Curtain of Myth
http://blog.dawn.com/2009/11/14/the-con ... n-of-myth/
Johann
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2075
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Johann »

Indonesia can not be compared to Pakistan.

- The military dictatorship in Indonesia *ruthlessly* suppressed Islamists, while the military dictatorships of Pakistan have encouraged it and depended on it since the mid 1960s.

The Islamist growth since 1998 has come from the general relaxation of political control since the decline of the dictatorship

- Indonesia's jihadis were not trained at home - they trained in places like the secessionist Muslim southern Philippines, Pakistan, while their leadership was in exile in Malaysia.

- Parliament voted down the 'anti-p0rn0graphy' law that tried to Islamise culture after a massive civil society campaign against the bill. The majority of Indonesian Muslims in both the elite and the masses seem unwilling to accept Islamism, although there are some areas like Aceh that have always been more orthodox than the rest.

- Indonesia's government has never reject its pre-Islamic heritage, or its heritage. Its state airline is still Garuda. It still regards itself as secular state that serves all of its citizens, regardless of religion. Indonesia's religious minorities (with the exception of the Chinese) have not been driven out despite some communal problems.

- It is its local culture, the experience of resisting colonialism, and commitment to development for all that Indonesia relies on for its political glue, not Islam
Rupesh
BRFite
Posts: 979
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 19:14
Location: Somewhere in South Central India

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Rupesh »

shravan wrote:Blast in Peshawar

Seven Police Personnel Killed.
AoA...toll now at 10
PESHAWAR: In continuing wave of violence in Pakistan's northwest, a suicide car bomber blew himself up at a police check post on Peshawar's

Pakistani policemen examine the site of a suicide car bomb blast on the outskirts of Peshawar. (AFP Photo)
More Pictures
outskirts on Saturday, killing 10 people, including women and children, and injuring over 25 others. (
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Gagan »

I was wondering why are the french coming out now with revelations that, the pakistan army trained muslim terrorists until recently. And why blame poor old CIA? They are just an intel agency, the decision to wink are done by higher ups.

I suspect the reasons are:
1. This acceptance of pakistan's guilt first, to be followed soon by saying that India is doing the same and BOTH should stop.
2. The GWOT is going awry, and India is needed to step in. I don't know how India conducts its diplomacy, but the going impression in the media at least is that India's netas (mostly) and diplomats are suckers for flattery and some quick and dirty ego massaging yields good results.

Ultimately one aspect is to direct the jihadi force on to pakistan's eastern borders. The anti india ground is being prepared by the likes of Jahil Hamid as it is. There is concertation in the massa camp that the US is polling as the enemy no 1 in pakistan, beating the spot held by India. There will be attempts to replace India back to the most hated status in pakistan, and become the main attention focus of the Jihadi groups / AQAM etc. This will happen as soon as the US departs Af-Pak. (This will however mean that the decades of investment into Afghanistan and the route to CAR will have to be given up - Most unlikely I would say)
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Gagan »

Two excellent pages on Wikipedia:

List of terrorist incidents, 2009. This lists the worldwide terrorist incidents.

Chronology of terrorist incidents in Pakistan. This serially lists the terrorist incidents in pakistan.

The pakistan page is maintained by a guy called Saquib Quayam, from pakistan. He also contributes to the world wide terrorist incidents page, more so lately.
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Gagan »

Seriously.
Now either google chacha is wrong or the signboard on this picture is wrong. google chacha says this is the "Gunner road" The Artillery road is the next one in piss-a-war.
Or as is likely in Pakistan, the signboard is wrong.
Image

The ISI local HQ is identifiable on google chacha very clearly indeed.
Image
rajsunder
BRFite
Posts: 873
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 02:38
Location: MASA Land

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by rajsunder »

A_Gupta wrote:From http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/11/cubas_soft_powe/
To make a long and very fascinating story short, Fidel Castro organized a team of 1,500 doctors into the "Henry Reeves Brigade" and offered them to the US to provide support for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Predictably, the US declined the gesture. Shortly after, a major earthquake hit the heavily Islamic fundamentalist region along the border of Pakistan and Kashmir.

Castro sent the brigade to Pakistan to help earthquake survivors and those suffering long-term shock and other problems related to the earthquake in the months after.

The current Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez -- who was then a deputy foreign minister -- was dispatched along with the Reeves Brigade to oversee the medical operations in the mountainous, difficultly accessed earthquake zone.

Americans and Europeans also sent medical teams -- one major base camp each that stayed about a month each. The Cubans sent seven major base camps and thirty field hospitals, remaining for a year.

Reportedly, the Cubans, American and European medical personnel coordinated well in the field and worked together without incident. In one case, a Cuban doctor had to dress in a full hijab as a female doctor in order to deliver the baby of a local woman -- who would have been subjected to harsh punishment if known that a male doctor did this. But the Cubans did send many female doctors and health professionals as well.

At the time this all occurred, Pakistan and Cuba did not have diplomatic relations -- and today they do. And their are Cuban doctors doing work in Pakistan today -- and Pakistani students studying at the Latin American School of Medicine.
I think this is a way for cuba to get to to China. I am not sure about the current political relations of China and Cuba, but i can bet that this whole thing is to get more close to china.
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Gagan »

Rahul Bhatt:
Image
Umrao Das
BRFite
Posts: 332
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 20:26

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Umrao Das »

I had said on numerous occasion when it comes to Indian security

"Unkil is a part of the problem not a solution"

TS Pakistan and PRC have uncle dangling by balls all the way
The US is loath to call both Pakistan and China to account, because it is indebted to both countries – literally so to China because of the nearly trillion dollar Chinese credit that keeps America spending, and to
Pakistan for its supply route to Afghanistan. So anxious is Washington not to offend Pakistan that successive US administrations have not made any attempt to question A.Q.Khan on proliferation even though he has been spilling his guts out to a western journalist now.
Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 7900
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Anujan »

Shekhar gupta's latest column argues that Indians should not be smug and "a stable Pakistan is in India's interest" and India should work towards Pakistani stability.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/our-f ... cy/541281/

I agree with him 400%, and I am all for good neighborly relationship.

Let us examine what happened the last time we did it. IG in 1972 averted cataclysm in Pakistan by signing a treaty very favorable to it and leaving most issues unresolved, thinking that the gesture will transform India-Pak relationship. What did we get in return ? 4 decades of terrorism, one more war (Kargil), radicalization of our own population, a nuclear headache, a de-stabilized Afghanistan, and a terrorism export factory.

What has changed between 72 and now ? As in, is there a critical mass of people and thinkers who are willing to take Pakistan in a new direction or is it just a thug squealing for help when a bigger thug starts beating the daylight out of him ?

To demonstrate Pakistani commitment towards good neighborliness, Pakistan should dismantle *all* terror camps, give up all claims for cashmere, appoint a truth and reconciliation committee to go into all terror killings, arrest and extradition of all terror collaborators, purge of all jihadi elements from the armed forces and the government.

After that happens, I agree 200,000% that we should help them out.
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6591
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by sanjaykumar »

Karan Dixit
BRFite
Posts: 1102
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 02:43
Location: Calcutta

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Karan Dixit »

FORT HOOD, Texas -- The Army psychiatrist charged with killing 13 people in a shooting spree at Fort Hood made or accepted wire transfers with Pakistan, a country wracked by Muslim extremist violence, a Republican congressman said Friday.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/188 ... 14.article
Suppiah
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2569
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 11:31
Location: -
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Suppiah »

http://blog.dawn.com/2009/11/14/the-con ... n-of-myth/

This guy is putting his Musharraf at serious risk by repeatedly using the word 'mythology' to describe certain things..
BajKhedawal
BRFite
Posts: 1205
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 10:08
Location: Is it ethical? No! Is it Pakistani? Yes!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by BajKhedawal »

Musharaff has 200,000% proof of RAW’s involvement in IED mubaraks in Pakistan
Image

Edited once to note that Bhallu is a honorary Northern Command Captain.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25382
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by SSridhar »

Gilani issues one more threat to India
. . . “enemies could gain advantage in case dialogue fails to take place.”
Now, we were warning in BRf of immediate terror attack a few months back after a series of threats following Sharam-el-Sheikh. It is now clear that we were right as the arrests of Daood Gilani, Rana, HuJI terrorist in BD & terrorists in TSP confirm. India should not therefore take Gilani's threat above lightly. First of all, it has to be recognized as a threat because it is couched in innocuous sounding words.
Patni
BRFite
Posts: 886
Joined: 10 Jun 2008 10:32
Location: Researching sub-humans to our west!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Patni »

It seems Pakis sure wants to pull off an anniversary attack as 26/11 approaches! That clearly comes out in all those FBI recorded conversations between paki pigs that they were planning something, near end of current month and somewhere close to Mumba too. They sure desperately want to stop in-house fighting between to terror brothers and unite against who else but India next door as soon as they can!

I am really not very sure if India is trying to dismantle slipper cells which by all accounts seems to be wide spread! took them a more then a month after getting detail intel to even get around to rounding up people with curious acquaintances let alone tracking more connections!
Muppalla
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7115
Joined: 12 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Muppalla »

From Stratfor:
http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/148 ... geting_isi

Summary

The Taliban’s suicide-bombing attack on the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate’s headquarters in Peshawar Nov. 13 was intended to send a clear message: that a government offensive against the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in South Waziristan is having little effect on the TTP’s ability to wage war. For now, even if the TTP is limited to operating only within the North-West Frontier Province, the group continues to have the upper hand in the insurgency.

Analysis

The vehicle-borne suicide bombing of the headquarters of Pakistan’s premier spy service in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) Nov. 13 killed relatively few people (16 at last count). However, the blast was so powerful that a significant portion of the provincial headquarters of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) directorate in Peshawar was demolished. This is the second time an ISI provincial headquarters has been targeted by Taliban rebels since the much larger May 27 attack on the intelligence agency’s Punjab headquarters in Lahore.

The Nov. 13 attack was against a major ISI facility focused on fighting the jihadist insurgency in the region at a time when Pakistani troops are trying to dismantle the headquarters of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in South Waziristan. The attack is intended to send a clear message: that the government offensive is not having much of an effect on the TTP’s ability to operate. There is also much PR mileage to be gained from striking a facility of the country’s most powerful security organization. Yet another message the jihadists are trying to send — this time to an already rattled Pakistani public — is that the state is unable to protect itself, let alone its citizens.

But a careful examination of the series of Taliban attacks since the beginning of the ground offensive in South Waziristan on Oct. 17 shows that the TTP has not been able to pull off any major attacks beyond the NWFP. The last major attack was on Oct. 10, when militants were able to penetrate the main headquarters of the military in Rawalpindi (the twin city of the capital, Islamabad) and take control of the Military Intelligence directorate building along with 30 hostages. Since then, however, the attacks that have taken place in Lahore and Islamabad have proved to be relatively small-scale strikes.

For the time being, law enforcement and intelligence operations in Punjab and Karachi, coupled with the offensive in South Waziristan and operations elsewhere in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, appear to have limited the effective radius of TTP attacks to the NWFP. And there has been a sustained focus on Peshawar, with several large-scale bombings in the NWFP provincial capital. There have also been attacks that have targeted civilians, for which TTP and al Qaeda leaders have denied responsibility. One of these attacks, on Oct. 28, killed more than150 people — mostly women and children.

In fact, TTP chief Hakeemullah Mehsud and al Qaeda prime leader for Afghanistan/Pakistan, Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, have said the bombings targeting civilians were the work of the U.S. private security contractor Blackwater (which has been renamed Xe). By accusing the security firm, the jihadists are trying to exploit perceptions in Pakistan that the firm is engaged in suspicious activity in the country and may be trying to destabilize it or even remove or dismantle its nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, attacking the ISI headquarters in Peshawar is a way for the TTP to conduct damage control in the wake of the civilian bombings. Even if the TTP is limited, at least for now, to a meaningful striking capability only within NWFP, the group continues to have the upper hand in the insurgency. The question is whether the government’s Waziristan offensive can put a significant dent in its overall war-making capability.
Suppiah
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2569
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 11:31
Location: -
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Suppiah »

How dare this Stratfor guy insult the TTP by suggesting that they are incapable of attacking Lawhore and Is-slum-bad? TTP should now set this guy right and prove his slander wrong.
Muppalla
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7115
Joined: 12 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Muppalla »

Militants attack anti-Taliban mayor in Pakistan

(AP) – 18 minutes ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A police official says more than a dozen militants opened fire on the house of an anti-Taliban mayor in northwestern Pakistan. Security guards repelled the attack, killing three assailants.

Nabi Shah says some of the militants disguised themselves by wearing burqas, the all-encompassing garment traditionally worn by Muslim women. The militants who were not killed managed to escape.{this increases the work of investigative NSN journalists :) }

Mayor Mohammad Fahim Khan says Sunday's attack was one of several made on his life. Khan has organized a militia to fight the Taliban in his town of Bazid Khel, some 10 miles (15 kilometers) south of the main northwestern city of Peshawar.

Another anti-Taliban mayor was killed earlier this month in a bomb attack outside Peshawar.
Nayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2552
Joined: 11 Jun 2006 03:48
Location: Vote for Savita Bhabhi as the next BRF admin.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Nayak »

Why Pakistan is winning ITS war against the Taliban

By David Rose

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... liban.html
In Mingora, the city of 250,000 people that was until recently the headquarters of Pakistan’s Swat valley Taliban, the shopping centre is heaving.

‘Bloody Chowk’, the crossroads where the militants used to leave the butchered bodies of their victims every night, is once again merely a mini-roundabout, surrounded by camera and shoe shops.

Further up the valley, a scenically idyllic 100-mile seam of fertility dividing the Northwest Frontier mountains, the girls’ schools that were blown up by the Taliban are reopening, with lessons taking place in tents.

The barbers ordered to stop shaving beards on pain of death are back in business, and Mullah FM, the radio station used by the Taliban leader Maulana Fazlullah to broadcast his extremist sermons, is off the air.

Moreover, one of the Pakistanis’ evident strengths – a clear strategic focus with operations of limited scope that tackle the enemy one area at a time – is woefully lacking in Afghanistan.

When I last visited Pakistan in June, at the height of the Swat campaign, there were more than two million internally displaced persons (IDPs) living on the scorching plains in camps and relatives’ spare rooms.

But a remarkably efficient army-led transport and reconstruction effort has meant more than 95 per cent of them have been back home for weeks.

More impressive is the fact that despite having been IDPs, and in many cases having once been in favour of the Taliban, few Swat people appear to want them back.
The entire article is :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34981
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by shiv »

Nayak wrote:Why Pakistan is winning ITS war against the Taliban

By David Rose
Probably Daood Razak

Mingora is now the safest place in the universe. Imaging being able to do thisi n any other city in the world?
As I walked unmolested through the alleys of Mingora’s bazaar
:shock:
Nayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2552
Joined: 11 Jun 2006 03:48
Location: Vote for Savita Bhabhi as the next BRF admin.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Nayak »

The author seems to imply that PA should be allowed to take over Afghan since NATO has failed so far. Waiting for other Pak presses to pick up this (s)hit piece and quoting verbatim.
Malayappan
BRFite
Posts: 462
Joined: 18 Jul 2005 00:11

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Malayappan »

Although slightly OT, request Mods' indulgence (two reasons - Islamism thread is shaheedised, this is still 'somewhat' about Pakistan!)

Sridhar Sir, Suppiah, Johann,

Your comments on Ashok Malik's piece are quire correct, but I see no fundamental difference between the two views.

I would articulate it this way.

- In a society where Islam is a religion, it remains an arrangement between Man and God, with no impact on other things of secular nature

- In a society where Islam has become political (what we had referred to in that thread as Islamism), then the slide to Mullahcracy starts. The time span may be different but the destination is one dimensional. Demand for purity, conformation to things which are rooted essentially in Arabic tribal memes all push the believer gradually into a spiral whose ultimate result is Mullahcracy

- Of course Indonesia is not Pakistan and a lot, lot more needs to happen for it to become one. But prevention / change of direction can happen only if there is a conscious turn-back and Islam becomes just a religion again. Culturaly, Linguistically, and Politically, these nations need to go local, retaining just the religious bit. In Indonesia, surely there are arguments towards this (I have read articles / letters in their newspapers protesting against creeping Arabisation in their society), but the process is not yet strong enough to beat back! Recognition and pride in their pre-islamic past is not as strong as in the past and things like naming their airlines indicate. The naming example in the book actually is quite indicative. I have personally met people with names like Lakshmi, Abhimanyu, Winawati, Megawati, Mahendro - all Muslims. But practically all of these have named their children with Arabic names.

- On that scale, I would put Pakistan as having virtually arrived. Malaysia quite a bit down the road and Indonesia is way behind.

- (BTW Anyone not visited these lands I recommend Naipaul's two books - Among Believers and Beyond Belief- if not read already!)
Airavat
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2326
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 11:31
Location: dishum-bishum
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Airavat »

Nayak wrote:The author seems to imply that PA should be allowed to take over Afghan since NATO has failed so far. Waiting for other Pak presses to pick up this (s)hit piece and quoting verbatim.
Image

Shri Rose predicted the "fall of the Taliban" in a June 2009 article in that same paper:
However, the very scale of the threat appears to be responsible for the stiffening of resistance and the change of mood. The Taliban, it seems, have overreached - and perhaps brought about their downfall.

It is no secret that in the early Nineties, the Taliban were sponsored by Pakistan's military intelligence service, the ISI - a fact that fatally hampered Pakistan's efforts to curb them until recently.

But this, said General Masood, had nothing to do with any inherent desire by the ISI to create an extremist Islamic state - it was simply a product of the chaos in Afghanistan.

'They wanted a sympathetic group in power in Afghanistan,' Masood told me. 'They did it for expedient, not ideological reasons.'
And he also wrote:
Pakistan, a vast, disparate and in places highly-developed country of 173million people, is not some banana republic, whose capital could be seized by a few hundred truckloads of rebels.
David Rose also wrote an article a week earlier with references to Churchill's experiences in NWFP:
Just as in 2009, the 1897-8 campaign began in Swat, when thousands of tribesmen attacked British forts at Malakand and Chakdara less than 20 miles from Kumbar Bazaar.

And just as the 2009 conflict shows every sign of doing, it went on to involve operations the length and breadth of the frontier, from Buner, 40 miles to the north of what is now Islamabad, through the Dir, Bajaur, Mohmand and Khyber areas all the way to Waziristan. The Empire had to mobilise 75,000 troops.

After Churchill's time, the British learned important lessons. The region still saw frequent rebellions, but they managed to avoid another frontier-wide conflagration with a combination of threats and bribery, and by founding and paying native militias: a textbook example of 'divide and rule'.
Charlie
BRFite
Posts: 318
Joined: 12 Nov 2009 05:49

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by Charlie »

David Rose belongs to those kind of British who believe in Paki multiculturalism in UK. And these people desperately search for the human side in these animals when there is none. David Rose will learn his lesson when his children will live under Sharia Law after 25 years.
arun
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10248
Joined: 28 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Post by arun »

Sanjay M wrote:Sounds very Ceaucescu.

Meanwhile, Pakistani music popstars write songs condemning West and not Taliban:

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/ ... istan-pop/

Be sure to watch the video embedded in the article.
RAPEtte Hajrah Mumtaz after viewing the video embedded in the article you posted back on page 8 of this thread, with a mea culpa for earlier being laudatory of Pakistani pop stars.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s strategy of promoting a “soft image” is rapidly heading to the graveyard to eternally rest with other grand Pakistani strategies like “the Defence of the East lies in the West” and “Strategic Depth” :rotfl: :
The ‘It-is-not-us’ syndrome

By Hajrah Mumtaz
Sunday, 15 Nov, 2009

A couple of months ago, I wrote a column in praise of certain Pakistani pop stars and bands, arguing that there are a fair number of songs that display political consciousness and a related sense of responsibility. I referred to such songs as Junoon’s ‘Talaash’, Shahzad Roy’s ‘Lagay Raho’ and ‘Kismet Apnay Haath Main’, Noori’s ‘Merey Log’ and Laal’s rendition of Habib Jalib’s ‘Main Nay Uss Say Yeh Kaha.’

I find now that that argument was all very well – as far as it went. Such is the manner in which we are bound by our long-cherished prejudices and mental chains that it took a report by the New York Times’ Adam B. Ellick to show me what I had completely failed to notice: the music acts’ total refusal to either touch upon the topic of the Taliban, or to even acknowledge them as a concern. ………………………
Here, verbatim, is what Ali Noor of Noori has to say:

‘We are not going to get up and say that we want to talk against the Taliban – simply because they are probably one of the smallest problems this country has. [...] It’s the West. It’s the West that is against the Taliban, because they are very heavily affected by it. We’re not.’

And here is what Ali Azmat – the man who once sang about ‘zehni ghulami’ – has to say: ‘We know for a fact that all this turbulence in Pakistan ... it’s not us. It’s the outside hands.’

What, really, can one say? The Taliban are one of the smallest problems this country has? When we’re having a bombing virtually every day, when parts of the south-west of the country were until very recently in serious danger of falling to the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan and its associated gang of goons?
Ellick puts the question to Ali Azmat. Off-camera, he asks, ‘Would you ever sing a song about how two hundred girls’ schools were blown up?’ Azmat’s reply? ‘Well you know, you cannot blame the Taliban for that. Where do you think those fundings are coming from? It’s the agenda of the neo-cons to de-Islamise Pakistan... religion must be killed.’
Pakistan is a nation in denial, unwilling to mature and accept responsibility for mistakes past and future – unwilling to shoulder the weight of responsibility for improving its own future.
Read it all:

Dawn
Locked