Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 16 Nov 2009 23:46

UK arrests five in anti-terror sweep
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1258393 ... ions_world

...But why so hush hush? .... not wanting to hurt TSP feelings? ......

saip · Post by **saip** » 16 Nov 2009 23:51

Another dead body of militant commander Ahmed Jan found in Matta

Link

Must be a trick headline. How many dead bodies does a militant commander have?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Nov 2009 00:04

saip wrote:Another dead body of militant commander Ahmed Jan found in Matta

Must be a trick headline. How many dead bodies does a militant commander have?

He was alive when they arrested this Guy in October.

TTP commander arrested
October 14, 2009

CID (Operations) SSP Fayyaz Khan said that the TTP Commander for Matta, Swat Ahmed Jan alias Ustad Jee was arrested when the CID team led by DSP Choudhry Safdar carried out a raid in Korangi Industrial Area. Illegal arms were also recovered from his possession.

James B · Post by **James B** » 17 Nov 2009 02:35

About 313 Brigade - B Raman

There are two jihadi terrorist organisations by the name the 313 Brigade. The first is Kashmir-centric and is associated with the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI) of Qari Saifullah Akhtar. It has been in existence since at least 1999 and is a member of the United Jihad Council, based in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir, which is headed by Syed Salahuddin of the Hizbul Mujahideen. It looks upon India as its main enemy and is not against the Government of Pakistan, its Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

and the other

The 313 Brigade of the IIF, which has been focussing on attacking Pakistani targets as distinguished from the 313 Brigade in J&K which attacks Indian targets, is a shadowy organisation. Media reports project Ilyas Kashmiri as the head of the 313 Brigade of the IIF. In a press interview, Ilyas himself has sought to give the impression that he heads it. He has been saying that unless the US and its collaborators in Pakistan are defeated, the so-called struggle against India in J&K will not progress. He thus now gives primacy to the jihadi campaign against the US and its alleged collaborators in Pakistan.

http://southasiaanalysis.org/papers36/paper3506.html

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 17 Nov 2009 03:23

About 313 Brigade - B Raman

Illyas Kashmiri in his Asia Times interview recently warned the world that Mumbai attacks were nothing and much more devastating attacks are already planned for India.

Inspite of him being busy with Afghan Operation, he has active anti India activities running along side (Dean Headley Case).

I cant forget the fact that he was arrested in 1990's and our pandu idiots coudnt keep him in jail. If ur not as efficient as western system then try atleast to go Arab/Paki way and terminate them in jail.

We cannot have Jihadis caught and lodged in lax Indian jails from which they safely run their Jihadi operations with collusion from our Pandus.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2009 04:46

ISI used CIA money to build new Islamabad headquarters : One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI

* LA Times quotes ex-officials as saying it is ‘money well-spent’ despite corruption fears
* ISI rewarded for capture or death of terror suspects
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: The CIA has funnelled hundreds of millions of dollars to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) since the 9/11 attacks, accounting for as much as one-third of the foreign spy agency’s annual budget – reported an American newspaper, citing current and former US officials.
The Los Angeles Times quoted officials as saying that the ISI had also “collected tens of millions of dollars through a classified CIA programme that pays for the capture or killing of wanted militants, a clandestine counterpart to the rewards publicly offered by the State Department”.
The officials said the payments have triggered intense debate within the US government, because of “long-standing suspicions that the ISI continues to help Taliban who undermine US efforts in Afghanistan and provide sanctuary to Al Qaeda members in Pakistan”.
But US officials have continued the funding because the ISI’s assistance is considered crucial: “almost every major terrorist plot this decade has originated in Pakistan’s tribal belt, where ISI informant networks are a primary source of intelligence”, said the newspaper.
The White House National Security Council has “this debate every year”, said a former high-ranking US intelligence official involved in the discussions. Despite deep misgivings about the ISI, the official said, “there was no other game in town”. The payments to Pakistan are authorised under a covert programme initially approved by former president George Bush and continued under President Barack Obama.
“The CIA payments are a hidden stream in a much broader financial flow... the US has given Pakistan more than $15 billion over the last eight years in military and civilian aid,” said the Los Angeles Times. “The ISI has used the covert CIA money for a variety of purposes, including the construction of a new headquarters in Islamabad... that project pleased CIA officials because it replaced a structure considered vulnerable to attack: it also eased fears that the US money would end up in the private bank accounts of ISI officials,” it said.

http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_d ... p?id=15113

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2009 04:51

The Difference between Indic and Islamist ( Then and Now )
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=208874

Peshawar is among the most ancient cities in Central, West and South Asia. The Kushan king Kanishka is believed to have founded it in second century AD. The Kanishka stupa on the outskirts of present-day Peshawar at almost 700 feet was said to be the tallest in the world at the time. Old Peshawar was known as Purushapura (city of men), a Sanskrit word in keeping with its Hindu and Buddhist past. If this is what it meant, those who gave the name excluded from their equation the entire female population of the town. Though times have changed and women are now active in many walks of life in Peshawar and the rest of the province, the conservative ethos of the place shows that the men here are still reluctant to allow the females some of the freedoms that they deserve. Or it is possible the term "city of men" meant a place inhabited by strong people ready to fight for their honour and independence?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Nov 2009 05:03

Prem wrote:The Difference between Indic and Islamist ( Then and Now )
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=208874

Old Peshawar was known as Purushapura (city of men)...Or it is possible the term "city of men" meant a place inhabited by strong people ready to fight for their honour and independence?

Brush-e-pura was named after famous dishwashers who used to use their implement (brush) and completely scour the pots and pans (poora safai) who lived there. The author's clan "You-Safai" consisted of people who washed their own dishes and did not give any to people of Brush-e-pura. Lord Kanishka had his kitchen pots and pans, which had accumulated grime and soot, cleaned by the dishwashers and in gratitude named the city after them.

The writer is an idiot. "Purusha" in Hindu/Dharmic mythology stands for the anthromorphic personification of the universe. We and all living beings are all part of the Universe and hence Part of Purusha. Purusha Sukhta from Rig veda is the authority on defining the characteristics of Purusha. Purusha is supposed to personify all creations animate and inanimate which has appeared in the past and will appear in the future. One quarter of Purusha is material, three quarters is immaterial. From purusha the limitless imperceptible universe was born and so was Brahma.

Quite difficult concepts to understand ... especially for someone who thinks that the ultimate reward of cosmic proportions is being served booze by peachy bottomed mujahids and getting to have sex with 72 virgins.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 17 Nov 2009 05:17

^^^
not to mention preoccupation with bodily fluids. only a #$@#$ would translate purushapura as city of men.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 17 Nov 2009 05:32

not to mention preoccupation with bodily fluids.

What is the psycosocial societal religioepestemological relevance to Islamic eschatology?

Are there emissions in the hentai heaven?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2009 05:34

shaardula wrote:^^^
not to mention preoccupation with bodily fluids. only a #$@#$ would translate purushapura as city of men.

Transformation from Purushpura, now inhabited by mutilated men , to Hijrabad is so epitomised. The city , where birds fly with one wing is such an apt example of Pakiaaslamic Najariya blooming in full like Peachy Paki Musharraf.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 17 Nov 2009 05:50

ISI used CIA money to build new Islamabad headquarters : One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI

Re the bolded part, IMHO it should mean "One third of CIA's Papistan budget goes to ISI", no?

Else, at 1/3rd of the CIA's overall budget, TSP would never have seen any ekhanomic woes only.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 17 Nov 2009 06:19

Hari Seldon wrote:
ISI used CIA money to build new Islamabad headquarters : One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI
Re the bolded part, IMHO it should mean "One third of CIA's Papistan budget goes to ISI", no?

Else, at 1/3rd of the CIA's overall budget, TSP would never have seen any ekhanomic woes only.

for paklurkers here: it means CIA spends 1/3rd of its budget on getting pap smears for pakistan. you know, just to make sure that the risk of "premalignant and malignant (cancerous) processes" in the "ectocervix" of the world aka pakistan is reduced.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2009 06:32

Shardulla sir ,
IOW, Uncle loves playing DR with Peachy Paki Puttars.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 17 Nov 2009 07:24

Interesting to note how the western sponsors of TSP have of late changed their tune from "carry on Pakistan" to "carrion Pakistan" only.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Nov 2009 07:31

Anujan wrote:Here is Madam hitting back. (Recall she is Editor of Nation these days)

Pakistani daily passes 'death sentence' on US journalist …………………….

Nandu wrote:^^^
Links relevant to above story(Nation's allegation against Rosenberg):

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... es-in-FATA

http://cpj.org/blog/The%20Nation%20Article.doc.pdf

Officials of 21 major international media institutions operating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan protest the irresponsible article that was put out by the Pakistani newspaper The Nation alleging that journalist Mathew Rosenberg of the Wall Street Journal worked for the CIA, Israeli Intelligence and Blackwater:

Letter of Protest

Editor of The Nation, Dr. Shireen Mazari has certainly fouled things up badly and that too so soon after taking charge as Editor at the Nation.

Is Dr. Shireen Mazari still one of the senior leaders of Imran Khan’s political party, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf or has he axed her to protect his moderate credentials?

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Nov 2009 07:45

:

Howard Schweber
Associate Professor of Political Science and Law at the University of Wisconsin-Madison

Posted: November 16, 2009 08:58 PM

"What you mean 'we,' kemosabe?"; Pakistani anti-American attitudes and their implications

In a classic Mad Magazine cartoon (that I dimly recall), the Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by a horde of hostile Indian warriors. The Lone Ranger says to Tonto "what do we do, now?," to which Tonto replies, "what you mean 'we,' kemosabe?"

One has the impression that the Obama administration feels like that is the response it has been getting from Pakistan, and indeed doubts about Pakistan's status as a U.S. ally are nothing new. .............................

Huffigton Post

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Nov 2009 07:58

A comment from the blog post Pakistan and Afghanistan: “the bad guys don’t stay in their lanes" by Myra McDonald http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/ ... eir-lanes/

Posted without kamments onlee.

Mr. Keith,

I am a Hindu married to my Pakistani husband. We live mostly in the UK and we are not very religious. Our religious affinities are mostly namesake. My husband’s family is from Lahore and they are wonderful. They are quite Westernized and are not fanatical. I am very happy that I married my husband and I love the land of my in laws. It pains me to see that Pakistan is being cornered the way it is everywhere. These wonderful people do not deserve their treatment. I do understand that a lot of mistakes have been made and the barrels are now pointing at Pakistan. If you see people like Mohammed Anjum voicing rhetoric here that makes no sense, understand the stress they are under. If people who once lived a wonderful life are now beaten up and cornered, their self defense begins to trigger. Under emotional stress, they start acting like children. And when everyone screams at them on top of that it makes things worse for them. They will not even admit the mistakes made by their leaders. And Mr. Anjum is only the tip of the iceberg. There are lot of highly social people in places like Lahore and Karachi who are beginning to fear the state of this nation. They are powerless and some are turning into Anjums because of what they are facing. They keep telling themselves that Pakistan is strong and will survive. But I can sense fear slowly emerging in their hearts.

I think the authors should write articles where people should discuss how to help Pakistanis come out of the current situation and be accepted as a nation with dignity and respect. I am sure there are lot of ideas from everyone who write here. I think all of you should exhibit some sympathy. Most Pakistanis who argue here, know in their hearts what exactly is wrong. They are unwilling to admit it openly due to pride. They are very proud people. Poking at that pride will make them only stubborn. All of you should try to turn them around without being harsh on them.

I do not post here at all. But I do read the comments in reuters and other sites with avid interest. To all my Indian brethren, Pakistanis in general are very cordial and wonderful people. I am trying to understand where exactly the wall emerges. We all must discuss how to bring this wall down, along with Pakistanis.

- Posted by Archana Khan

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 17 Nov 2009 08:04

Nothing new regarding the attitudes of Pakis or naive Western reporters, but the story was published recently, so:

"Pakistan's Enemy? Focus Remains On India"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =120448212

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Nov 2009 09:19

Terror does not happen in democracies: Nawaz Sharif

Nawaz is therefore demanding that military takeover in Pakistan must be banished for ever. Now two fallacies in this.

One is military takeover is already unconstitutional in Pakistan. But, the first thing any military coup leader does is to suspend the Constitution, get the concurrence of the Supreme Court, install judges who take an oath of allegiance to the new leader (more like a baiya't) and create a puppet Parliament and cabinet and everything looks democratic. No military ruler will ever get punished for this. Even political parties at times beg the Army to intervene. As recently as last month, Nawaz Sharif's brother had a few rounds of discussions with Kayani.

Second, while terrorism may not flourish in democracies, the same will not apply to Pakistan. For all intents and purposes, Pakistan is an abnormal state. Ms. BB was the biggest culprit in furthering terror, both by creating Taliban in the West and introducing foreign jihadi mercenaries into Kashmir in the East. While her father enabled fundamentalism by indulging every craving of mullahs, she went a step further and nurtured jihadis. Nawaz Sharif himself has been a worthy successor to Ms. BB in this respect. Eveybody knows he is a closet Taliban.

So, all this grandstanding by Nawaz is hogwash.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Nov 2009 09:41

Most Pakistanis who argue here, know in their hearts what exactly is wrong. They are unwilling to admit it openly due to pride. They are very proud people. Poking at that pride will make them only stubborn. All of you should try to turn them around without being harsh on them.

No one has to admit anything. Simply stop behaving in the offensive way. That is more sincere than any words.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 17 Nov 2009 10:36

India has been kicked around because it is a democracy. Even North Korea commands more respect.

The reason has partly to do with psychology-closed, illiberal societies such as Mao's workers' paradise, a starving NOKO. a totalitarian USSR generate a latent Stockholm syndrome where the potential victim feels an affinity for the tormentor. With the USSR's transition to a holiday destination the awe has been replaced by the banal.

A society like India which made a conscious choice to be open and to eschew militarism does not generate fear. Will Pakistanis who are used to feeling the power that comes with fear be able to live and work like Indians?

Islam's history will provide some clues.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 17 Nov 2009 10:52

Prem wrote:ISI used CIA money to build new Islamabad headquarters : One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI

No. 1/3rd of the ISI's budget comes from the CIA.

Anyone who thinks the CIA would send a third of it's budget to the ISI doesn't understand how things work in America...or, is a paki.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Nov 2009 10:53

IED Mubarak in Quetta, 2 Killed 8 hurt, including DIG of Quetta

bart · Post by **bart** » 17 Nov 2009 11:06

Vivek_A wrote:
Anyone who thinks the CIA would send a third of it's budget to the ISI doesn't understand how things work in America...or, is a paki.

Well said, anything is possible with Lahori logic.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 17 Nov 2009 11:44

Another one from LAT. Folks living there any reason for such hi frequency?

Pakistan Taliban taps Punjab heartland for recruits, By Alex Rodriguez, Los Angeles Times, November 16, 2009

Some excerpts -

"Someone recruits them, then someone else takes them to Miram Shah, and then someone in Miram Shah greets them and takes them in," said Sargodha Police Chief

Now, however, the missions of the Taliban and Punjabi militants seem to have merged

"At the moment, the government is bewildered. It doesn't know how to manage this challenge coming from Punjabi militants,"

The problem with battling militancy in Punjab is that the government cannot undertake a crackdown on the scale of the offensives against the Taliban in northwestern Pakistan's Swat Valley or in Waziristan, experts say. Punjab is too densely populated and many in the province still cling to the belief that Pakistan's next-door enemy, India, is behind much of the terrorism in Punjab.

Yes, all these in a mainstream US newspaper (yes? I've never been to LA!), not in an Indian publication!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Nov 2009 13:03

Malayappan wrote:Another one from LAT.
Pakistan Taliban taps Punjab heartland for recruits, By Alex Rodriguez, Los Angeles Times, November 16, 2009

. . . and many in the province still cling to the belief that Pakistan's next-door enemy, India, is behind much of the terrorism in Punjab.

Just many in the province ? That is what Gilani, Rehman Malik, Kiyani et al are propagating. That is what the entire Pakistan believes. That was why they sneaked in 'Balochistan and other areas' in the Sharam-el-Sheikh Joint Statement. The PA is fighting, at least seems to be fighting, only because the PA soldiers believe that the murtad 'bad Taliban' are Indian agents and hence kafir enough to be fought against. They would not have taken on even this pretence of fighting had it not been the case, especially after what happened in 2007 & 2008. Kiyani & Co feared the loyalty of PA in any operation against the more pious AQAM. Pakistan is, therefore, once again deliberately spreading falsehood among its people just to save itself from the 'bad apples' so that it can have a go at India later on when the 'good Taliban' regain the strategic depth.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 17 Nov 2009 13:10

sanjaykumar wrote:India has been kicked around because it is a democracy. Even North Korea commands more respect.

Nothing to do with being a democracy. Everything to do with being toothless and rudderless and visionless.
Even a toothless and rudderless dictatorship will get kicked around.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Nov 2009 15:53

We are taking the killing of DIG, BSF seriously: BSF DG

“We cannot say it was done by the Pakistani rangers or ISI. We cannot pin point who is directly responsible”. “They were sent back, but they left behind an IED which claimed the life of the DIG. They will keep making attempts. It is our job to see that their attempts do not succeed,”“It was a tragic incident. The incident has happened. We will have to check who did it. We have to find out and what we should do about it.”“We are taking it (killing of DIG BSF) very seriously. We will see that appropriate action is taken and appropriate responses are lodged (with Pakistan). We have already lodged a protest with Pakistan and, as usual, they said we do not know anything. A DIG-level meeting was held yesterday in which Brigadier Masood took part from Pakistan side.”

Why am I reminded of the recent article by Ex Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lieutenant General Harwant Singh ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Nov 2009 16:31

Does anybody know if Zahid Hussain's Newsline site has folded up ? I don't see any updates there beyond September. TIA

sreeji · Post by **sreeji** » 17 Nov 2009 17:20

sanjaykumar wrote:
A society like India which made a conscious choice to be open and to eschew militarism does not generate fear. Will Pakistanis who are used to feeling the power that comes with fear be able to live and work like Indians?

Islam's history will provide some clues.

The papis became papis due to the invasions and persecutions by islamic crusaders

. A few invasions(and persecutions by saas bahu serials) by India will return them to their normal state of mind and make them realise some home truths.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Nov 2009 17:51

it is too late. nothing short of national meltdown, possibly cultural breakdown will now return the inhabitants of the indus valley to their pre-islamo-fascist senses

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2009 20:16

SSridhar wrote: Just many in the province ? That is what Gilani, Rehman Malik, Kiyani et al are propagating. That is what the entire Pakistan believes. That was why they sneaked in 'Balochistan and other areas' in the Sharam-el-Sheikh Joint Statement. The PA is fighting, at least seems to be fighting, only because the PA soldiers believe that the murtad 'bad Taliban' are Indian agents and hence kafir enough to be fought against. They would not have taken on even this pretence of fighting had it not been the case, especially after what happened in 2007 & 2008. Kiyani & Co feared the loyalty of PA in any operation against the more pious AQAM. Pakistan is, therefore, once again deliberately spreading falsehood among its people just to save itself from the 'bad apples' so that it can have a go at India later on when the 'good Taliban' regain the strategic depth.

Sridhar I got yr email - but can't reply till tomorrow. (sorry OT)

You know it seems strange to me that Pakistan appears to be in chaos and the "savior of Packeestan" the army is not taking over. The reason of course is that Kiyanahi will have a mutiny on his hands if he pulls out more troops from the border with India.

Oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah. I hear people telling me that the Pakiland army is a disciplined force that will follow orders, and to these people I offer for sale my white domed marble building in Agra. Paki soldiers are happy to sit on their oh so quiet Eastern front and do nothing. If they are moved out to fight their Taliban brothers there will be mutiny.

The US is fooling itself thinking that Kayani can actually move troops out to fight the Taliban. He can't. Even if India empties out every single man from the India pak border

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 17 Nov 2009 20:28

Kyani is no fool, there would not be any mutiny, he is the one who is orchastrating this. He and his buddies would be attending night partys in Swazir..... Kind of winter excersice/vacation for his favoraite boys who need time off.

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Nov 2009 21:34

“We are taking it (killing of DIG BSF) very seriously. We will see that appropriate action is taken and appropriate responses are lodged (with Pakistan). We have already lodged a protest with Pakistan and, as usual, they said we do not know anything. A DIG-level meeting was held yesterday in which Brigadier Masood took part from Pakistan side.”

Not sure whether to laugh or cry after seeing the kind of weak kneed responses we give after every escalation by either the Pakis or the BDs or the Chinese...Wonder if even Timbuktu takes us seriously?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 17 Nov 2009 22:35

SSridhar wrote:“It was a tragic incident. The incident has happened. We will have to check who did it. We have to find out and what we should do about it.”

“We are taking it (killing of DIG BSF) very seriously.

We have already lodged a protest with Pakistan...A DIG-level meeting was held yesterday in which Brigadier Masood took part from Pakistan side.”

Wow, we really do suck.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 17 Nov 2009 23:01

SSridhar wrote: The PA is fighting, at least seems to be fighting, only because the PA soldiers believe that the murtad 'bad Taliban' are Indian agents and hence kafir enough to be fought against. They would not have taken on even this pretence of fighting had it not been the case, especially after what happened in 2007 & 2008. Kiyani & Co feared the loyalty of PA in any operation against the more pious AQAM.

Sridhar, this is an important point that is worth repeating.

Many people in India and around the world are often puzzled by the PA's sloppy, and seemingly futile efforts to implicate the GoI in the Pakiban's bloody rise. Why bother when everyone can see its complete nonsense?

The audience for these claims is not the external world - its internal propaganda that provides the only possible justification for PA soldiers to fight pious fellow Muslims and fellow Pakistanis risking not only this life, but the after-life itself. Far from being shaheed, they might be dying as munafiqeen!

In a country where mass education is terribly debased and critical thinking skills replaced by endless conspiracy theories, its got a better than even chance of being believed by enough Pakistanis to be worth the external ridicule.

It is however a line of insult that is going to gravely provoke the Pakiban.

I must say however that Pakistan has finally achieved its dream and become part of the Middle East, because that's where every rival radical faction routinely accuses each other of being in the service of the CIA and Mossad.

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 17 Nov 2009 23:28

Reincarnation of Maulana Fazlullah, he must be a Hindu RAW agent.

One of the most wanted Taliban leaders in Pakistan has escaped to Afghanistan and is planning new attacks on Pakistani forces, he has told the BBC.

Maulana Fazlullah founded the Swat Taliban to enforce a hardline version of Islamic law.

The government at first accepted his demands, but later accused the militants of reneging on a peace deal and sent troops into the valley.

Maulana Fazlullah was said by officials to have been wounded or killed in July.

Threats

"I have reached Afghanistan safely," Maulana Fazlullah told BBC Urdu.

"We are soon going to launch full-fledged punitive raids against the army in Swat."

The voice was recognisably Maulana Fazlullah's - he has a very distinct way of pronouncing words.

I have spoken to him on several occasions and met him twice.

Maulana Fazlullah was calling from an Afghan number and sounded in good spirits when he called on Monday.

He said that those claiming success for the Swat operation should try to prevent drone attacks and the US security firm Blackwater from operating in Pakistan.

He issued a warning to the North West Frontier Province's information minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain.

"The authorities should beware, especially Mian Iftikhar Hussain, whose fate will be like that of Najibullah," he warned, referring to Dr Najibullah who was Afghan president before the Taliban hanged him in 1996 when they took Kabul.

Talking about US President Barack Obama's Afghan policy, Maulana Fazlullah said there was no need for the US to send in more troops.

"Hundreds of thousands of Pakistani soldiers are already involved in furthering the US agenda in the region," he said.

'Boost for militants'

Maulana Fazlullah has been incommunicado for several months.

During this time a number of reports had circulated about his death or capture by the military.

These had gained credence after Pakistani authorities said he was fatally wounded in the army operation.

The Taliban denied reports that he had been injured or was close to death.

His return is likely to be a morale booster for the increasingly beleaguered Taliban in Pakistan.

But it appears unlikely that his militants will be able to take the fight to the army, so soon after being soundly defeated in Swat.

The Taliban are also on the run in their main stronghold in South Waziristan, where the Pakistani military recently launched a major offensive.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2009 23:35

Baj, There was movie "Mission Istanbul" from Bollywood which speculated that there were agencies/entities faking these terrorists voices. The hint was TSP was at the root of all these tapes and distributed through Al J.

So for all we know even if MF is dead it could be the TSP pulling a Lazarus on him.

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 18 Nov 2009 00:19

Ramana now that you have mentioned Lazarus….

In Gospel of John Lazarus is introduced as a follower of jesus
Taliban’s genesis is ISI and by extension Paki Fauj

Jesus intentionally remains where he is for two more days instead of immediately beginning his journey to Lazarus.
Paki Fauj (good Taliban) always gives that leeway to bad Taliban

When jesus arrives in Bethany, he finds that lazarus is dead and has been in his tomb for four days
When Paki Fauj arrived in Swat, world was led to believe for four months that MF was dead.

Jesus to lazarus’s sister "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die". And he brought Lazarus to life.

And so it is with Paki Fauj and Taliban