The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Nov 2009 16:29

This was the man that defended Bharat Shah over mafia allegations

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3152662.stm

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 18 Nov 2009 16:31

SSridhar wrote:
shravan wrote:Rahul Bhatt introduced Headley to 15 film personalities
Obviously, Rahul Bhatt's association with Mr. Headley was more than mere acquaintance, as Mr. Mahesh Bhatt would tell us to believe, going by all these snippets that are appearing out of the woodworks one after another.

That is why the "I-met-him-at-a-gym" story seems such a fabrication. Seriously, how many LeT operatives do you meet in a gym? Many people on this board have gone to a gym, how many have LeT have they met? Also, even if you meet them, do you start introducing them all to all your and daddy's friends? And how convenient that daddy makes films supportive of the terrorist view point?

This whole story is fishy from the start, despite Mahesh Bhatt's spin that it was his son that put the investigative agencies on the right track. Its likely there are more serious going ons here, and Rahul decided to come clean in advance. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bhatt family has done this on lawyers advice. More likely, Rahul could have provided Headley with access to the circle of elite, which allowed the latter to scope out what the likely hangouts of the elite are, what to attack, when, floor plans etc. Rahul may not be aware of Headley's true intentions, but then again, he may be, we never know.

Expect more spin on the line of "Rahul is such an innocent babe" "Rahul baba was led astray" in the future by the Bollywood spin machine. And similar to what happened in Sanjay Dutt's case, expect Rahul to discover Gandhi ... reports of how he reads Gandhian philosophy at this house will be splashed by the mercenary media.

Further expect candle light vigils by the likes of Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar, Anupam Kher etc. with full non stop coverage by the media and a hyper ventilating Burkha Dutt on the gross injustice meted out to him.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 18 Nov 2009 16:34

I think Vilas the gym trainer outed Rahul, and then he had no option but to fess up.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Nov 2009 16:37

Tanaji wrote:
expect Rahul to discover Gandhi ...

or..taking a cue from Mandakini, discover Buddha.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Nov 2009 17:23

Tanaji wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Its likely there are more serious going ons here, and Rahul decided to come clean in advance.

As soon as the Rahul Bhatt name came out in the open, the very next day or so, Times Now showed a ticker wherein Emraan Hashmi sympathised with Rahul etc. He didn't say anything then about him also knowing Headley.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Nov 2009 18:31

Rana's visa was issued after scrutiny : Indian Consulate at Chicago

The Chicago Consulate has violated service conditions by choosing to explain something that is still under GoI's scrutiny. More than that, the more embarrassing and worrying aspect is that the SoP is either not known to the Chicago Consulate or the Home Ministry is toiling under the impression that all Indian consuls are dutifully getting its permission before clearing visas for Pakistani-born applicants. If that is not the case, which it appears to be, we have a colossal problem on hand now.

"The Consulate General of India, Chicago issued visas to Rana and his spouse as per the established procedure for issuance of visas to persons of Pakistani origin.

As per the procedure, no prior clearance from the ministry of home affairs was required in such cases," Consul Vishvas Sapkal at the Chicago Consulate said in an e-mail response to PTI.

Both the visas were issued "under the discretion of the consul general" with the home ministry maintaining that it was in violation of rules under which its clearance is required for any person born in Pakistan.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 18 Nov 2009 18:38

Headley stayed in Pune hotel: Police

STAFF WRITER 18:0 HRS IST

Pune, Nov 18 (PTI) During his visit to Pune this year, American terror suspect David Headley had stayed at a hotel near Osho Ashram on March 16, police said today.

The hotel 'Surya Villa' is located near the commune in Koregaon park area and frequented by foreigners coming to the Ashram for 'meditation'.

Police questioned the manager of the hotel who has furnished details of Headley's stay in Room No 202 along with a copy of the passport given by him while booking the accommodation. Headley had visited the Osho Ashram for 'meditation' during his visits to the city.

"We are scrutinising the documents submitted by Headley, a US citizen, to hotel manager to confirm whether they are genuine," Deputy Commissioner of Police Ravindra Sengaonkar, told PTI.

Headley who paid two visits to Pune in 2008-2009 had not registered himself with Foreigners Registration Office (FRO) here on his arrival as required under the law.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Nov 2009 19:00

Raju wrote:I think Vilas the gym trainer outed Rahul, and then he had no option but to fess up.

Poor guy ( Vilas) has now been chucked out of his job and looking like a walking zombie due to the mental pressure.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Nov 2009 19:28

shravan wrote:Headley-Rahul link: Mahesh Bhatt knocks PM's door for help

In his letter to Prime Minister, Bhatt has sought help saying that he and his family has become victim of terrorism.

"We always stand firmly with the country against terror but at present we are victim of global menace in our own country."

Wow! This scum oozes sympathy for Pakis and Paki terrorist scums and takes movies supporting their claims. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Indians, police men, army men were killed by this heinous Paki terrorists. Many families lost their parents, kids, brothers and sisters. For this SOB, they are not victims. He claims his family is a victim because his son's name was in the newspaper and he is knocking on the door of PM.

This scum's son was introducing a terrorist to the whole industry and who know what else they were doing.
Look at the lies the whole family was dishing out.

First, he just met him at Gym as instructor. He was just an insrtuctor. The he was a white American. It just happened once or twice.

One by one, the facts are coming out. He introduced him to 15 bollywood actors. He is arranging his dates with them. He takes him to his home. His mother meets him.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Nov 2009 20:32

http://dailypioneer.com/216631/Headley- ... sters.html
Headley used satphone to contact Pak masters

Sources said that during his visit to the Capital, Headley had used a satellite phone to contact his masters in Pakistan. “During the course of the investigation, it was found that Headley used a sophisticated satellite phone. We are now trying to ascertain whether Headley had smuggled in the satphone or it was provided to him by his local contacts,” said a senior investigating official. Investigators are trying to unearth local contacts of Headley. Use of satphones by terror groups is not a new phenomenon. The Mumbai attackers were also equipped with satphones.

Latest reports suggest that Headley was in contact with Zarar Shah, a Pakistan-based LeT commando, over phone during the Mumbai carnage. Investigators suspect that Headley was the link between the Mumbai attackers and their handlers in Karachi.

According to the official, Headley may have procured the satphone allegedly with the help of a Pakistani contact in India. “We are examining whether Headley had come in contact with Pakistan High Commission officials. We are also looking at the possibility of somebody from a Lashkar sleeper cell providing Headley the phone smuggled into the country,” said the official.

Meanwhile, Delhi Police late on Monday evening zeroed in on two cyber cafes in Paharganj, whose services were taken by Headley during his visit to the Capital between March 7 and 10 this year. Headley reportedly had used cyber cafes to send emails to Rana and other accomplices. The local police have intensified their verification drive at cyber cafes in central Delhi on Tuesday. However senior police officials played down the searches saying that they were “routine searches”.

http://dailypioneer.com/216634/Rahul-Bh ... olice.html
Rahul Bhatt a witness in case against Headley: Police

Meanwhile, gymn instructor Vilas Warak, through whom Rahul had come in contact with Headley, said, "I have done a great service to the nation by going to Maria and telling him everything that I knew about Headley. He was a nice guy and now I find that he was not a genuine friend....I never went to meet Headley, he came to me".

Warak, who has now lost his job at the gym, said that when he reported for work, the gym's manager told me to go away and lie low till the matter is sorted out. "I have lost everything".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 21:27

sum wrote:
Raju wrote:I think Vilas the gym trainer outed Rahul, and then he had no option but to fess up.
Poor guy ( Vilas) has now been chucked out of his job and looking like a walking zombie due to the mental pressure.

I think the Vilas guy realised how they contributed to the Mumbai terrorist attack unwittingly. He is the hero of this episode - someone who realised he had dealt with evil and came forward.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 18 Nov 2009 21:34

Is the Pritish Nandy quoted in the above report the same bald guy that appears in the media? i.e. this guy:

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... naryissue/

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 18 Nov 2009 21:36

Hmm, it appears so

http://bollywood.buzzine.com/2009/11/vi ... chimes-in/

Ignore the usual jholawala clap trap from the lady

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Nov 2009 22:29

What I am thinking is, if the FBI indicts these two guys in chicago in 26/11 these guys will not get extradited to India.
There were US nationals killed in 26/11 too, and the FBI is on that case too.

So if they are quiet on the link to 26/11, these guys get to come to visit India one final time on sarkari kharch and enjoy some real hospitality here. The reason they get to visit India is that they were planning to wage war on India by indulging or supporting terrorism. These would be grounds for India to seek extradition provided there is no serious case pending against them in the US.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 18 Nov 2009 22:51

a prison in Chicago is already ready . thanks to Mr Gandhi of 2010

Jitendra · Post by **Jitendra** » 18 Nov 2009 22:57

wow! what a story - you can't make this stuff up.

A paki ******** who looks non-desi, with an American passport, deeply ensconced inside India, making all kinds of deals with the bollywood and others...what a nightmare.

All I can say is we must be on the rights side which is why the Gods saved us from another massive attack and brought these ******** to light.

I can put myself into each of the parties involved in the story - and see how a smart talker with Gilani's appearance, passport and background can make the cover plausible, even convincing.

This is a close one,

If the Americans released x to India, they probably have 10X.

We've got to stop spending on free tv sets and start accelerated 'real' intelligence ops

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 18 Nov 2009 22:57

i think we should have a separate thread on sat phone. give the technology today how difficult is this to snoop in on a sat phone and given that thease are all Dubai based fim .

i would do his.

1. get a memebership with the dubai firm and get the phone.
2. Identify the frequency
3. Put a micro satellite which snoops in that frequency and around a 2K kms radius.

Is this difficult and i trust NIA has better qualified people than me

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 22:58

Well said. And welcome to BRF.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Nov 2009 22:59

Tanaji wrote:Hmm, it appears so

http://bollywood.buzzine.com/2009/11/vi ... chimes-in/

Ignore the usual jholawala clap trap from the lady

Here are two kids who should be applauded for having had the courage to approach authorities on their own and for having provided the agencies information about the white man Headly which they otherwise would never have got; two kids led by the advise of a man like Mahesh Bhatt, his daughter Pooja and the rest of the family to fearlessly inform the caretakers of our system about what they had encountered during their association with a man who they had no idea was a mastermind of devious plans; two kids who should be promoted to India as an example for others to follow so we are able to collectively eradicate the menace; two kids who should certainly not be viewed as a confirmation to people that they are right when they know of serious matters and deliberately turn their backs on them, or right when they see others writhing in pain in a road accident and walk away from it instead of helping them to the nearest emergency.

Mahesh Bhatt — who is outspoken and straightforward, who is righteous and stands by his words, a man of integrity and a man who has done all he can to further inclusion as a policy, as well as tried in the best way he can to support Indo Pak relations culturally through his films and the music in his films; a man whose family is quietly proud of following the religion of their choice because they firmly believe that all religions are various paths that lead you to the same God — cannot be suspect.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 23:03

Despite all those sterling qualties it was his off-spring that were in contact with terrorists and fell for the gora skin.

Jitendra · Post by **Jitendra** » 18 Nov 2009 23:03

boss, you may be able to record the data stream on sat phone calls even without a microsat - issue is the encryption. It helps that the US agencies have the keys from the manufacturers

Jitendra · Post by **Jitendra** » 18 Nov 2009 23:07

ramana wrote:Well said. And welcome to BRF.

thank you (if you meant me).

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 18 Nov 2009 23:25

ramana wrote:Despite all those sterling qualties it was his off-spring that were in contact with terrorists and fell for the gora skin.

Ramana, hi!

Two questions:

1* Has anybody seen a photo of David Coleman Headly urf Dawood Gilani? The only pic that I came across was this terrible B&W scan of his mug from his passport.

2* I hear talk about his "gora skin" all the time. Are we talking about a caucausian who was born with the original name of Dawood Gilani and later changed his name to David Coleman Headley
(or)
a very fair skinned paki who could have been mistaken for a caucasian?

It seems there is a bit of confusion on this issue.

Best Regards
Fred

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 23:28

Its getting murkier. GOI should appoint an official spokeperson for this investigation. Its death by rumor.

Google Cache of the news so far.

Fred, all we have is the mug shot from the xerox of his passport and sketches from US trial court. The rumor is he has caucasian mother accounting for his 'fair skin"

I think all those B'wood stars thought he was financier or a film distributor from abroad.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Nov 2009 23:29

^^^
Seems to be the latter case - a Paki who looks white.
Remember he had to be successful in impressing Indians. Can't do that unless you understand cultural ethos and language very well indeed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 23:34

DNA piece Headley hunting in Bollywood

The involvement of the Bhatt family and the celebrities with a terrorist is causing a falling out of the psec crowd. I had remarked on this in the psy ops thread.

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 18 Nov 2009 23:37

ramana wrote:Its getting murkier. GOI should appoint an official spokeperson for this investigation. Its death by rumor.

Google Cache of the news so far.

Fred, all we have is the mug shot from the xerox of his passport and sketches from US trial court. The rumor is he has caucasian mother accounting for his 'fair skin"

I think all those B'wood stars thought he was financier or a film distributor from abroad.

Ah! That explains it a bit.

Another thing I have been wondering about is his accent. If he has a "pucca" American accent (pucca enough for a Bollywood bozo at least) it kind of adds to his aura that he is a real gora from massaland.

Do we know anything about his upbringing?

*Was he born in Pakiland?
*How long did he stay in Pakiland before moving to US?
*At what age did he move to US? If he did before 9 years old, getting an accentless american english wouldn't be a problem.

Best Regards
Fred

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2009 23:56

Fred, Please read form page one of this thread. He is a TSP RAPE who went to a military school and was pals with Rana his fellow terrorist and the Pak counsel in Chicago. He changed his name in 2006. All that is interesting.

The bigger picture is how many of these are being sheltered in the West? And how many in India are alienated to consort with terrorists? Shoba De calls the Bhatt family 'dysfunctional' in her blog. Its more than that. I really dont think that the B'wood innocents were so innocent, that they didnt know what the chap was doing. Right after 26/11 atleast by the 11/30th one would have put two and two together. All the places hit were those scouted by the chaps. Yet thay all stood quiet for a year and started spilling once they figured FBI might make the duo talk in US and figured better confess and claim innocence then be found by out the Indian police. The good thing is the case is under NIA and not Mumbai police which now has RR Patil back in power. Wonder if ATS could have used its resources better in monitoring TSP scouts.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 19 Nov 2009 00:08

ramana wrote:DNA piece Headley hunting in Bollywood

The involvement of the Bhatt family and the celebrities with a terrorist is causing a falling out of the psec crowd. I had remarked on this in the psy ops thread.

Needless to say, Mahesh isn't taking anything lying down. "What's worse is that people like Shobhaa, a thinking individual, can write that our family is dysfunctional. It clearly sends out a signal that she too feels that since Rahul knew David, he must have been up to something. This is worse than any political party's reaction to us as it shows that even urban, educated people can believe things without finding out whether accusations are true or not. It is a lynch mob reaction. Celebrities bring in the media spotlight and this case shows how news is being trivialised."

In the end, both Pritish and Mahesh feel that the media is using the celeb angle to the Headley case as a TRP grabber -- to the detriment of a more serious look into the security breach.

This Butthead and Bollywood crowd has no problem with the media when they were doing the same to any one opposed to CON party. Now that they are doing to them, they have an issue.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Nov 2009 00:17

Vinta Nanda chimes in wrote:Mahesh Bhatt — who is outspoken and straightforward, who is righteous and stands by his words, a man of integrity and a man who has done all he can to further inclusion as a policy, as well as tried in the best way he can to support Indo Pak relations culturally through his films and the music in his films; a man whose family is quietly proud of following the religion of their choice because they firmly believe that all religions are various paths that lead you to the same God — cannot be suspect.

I want to know what she is smoking.... no really.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 19 Nov 2009 01:25

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_me ... me_1313519
MEA bypassed us in granting visa to Headley, Rana: Home

The grant of visa to David Coleman Headley and his Pakistan-born Canadian associate Tahawwur Hussain Rana is threatening to snowball into a major controversy between the home and external affairs ministries. The former is of the view that it was kept out of the loop while clearing the visa applications.

A home ministry source said a 2004 circular makes it imperative to consult them before granting visa to people of particular countries or born there. The country-specific notification lists half a dozen nations, including Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.

It is perceived that the Indian counsul general in Chicago used his discretion to issue visas to Headley, Rana and a woman, Samraz Rana Akhtar. The last two are Canadian citizens born in Punjab (Pakistan) and were residing in Chicago. "The counsul general can use his discretion to clear visas. But, why was the 2004 order overlooked in these cases," a source asked.

The National Investigating Agency (NIA) and other intelligence wings are trying to figure out the impact of the trio's visit to Agra, Ahmedabad, Kochi and Delhi. "We are not interested so much in the role they played in executing the 26/11 plot. Our prime interest is to figure out whether they have created a terror network at these places. We are proceeding in that direction to prevent any terrorist act in future," the source said.
The FBI informed India about Headley and Rana's terror plans and their possible future targets. It seemed that they were looking for high-profile targets like the Taj Mahal, nuclear establishments, vital institutions such as the NDA and two leading public schools.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 19 Nov 2009 01:42

Ananya wrote:i think we should have a separate thread on sat phone. give the technology today how difficult is this to snoop in on a sat phone and given that thease are all Dubai based fim .

i would do his.

1. get a memebership with the dubai firm and get the phone.
2. Identify the frequency
3. Put a micro satellite which snoops in that frequency and around a 2K kms radius.

Is this difficult and i trust NIA has better qualified people than me

There are a lot of questions that are unanswered from the Mumbai attacks with sat phones being one of them. We have complete transcripts of the conversations between the attackers and their handlers. WE probably got those from the Americans... however the frequencies at which these phones operate is not a secret. Globalstar used to operate at 1610.73 to 1625.49 MHz and 2484.39 to 2490.15 MHz . If you know the frequency, you can jam it. Why this was not done for Mumbai is yet unanswered.

If sat phones are to be banned, period, it is possible for the govt to listen on this band exclusively... in fact it can be done quite cheaply by using the hundreds of cell phone towers around and putting scanners in that band.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 19 Nov 2009 01:47

Another thing that should be explored in the Rahul Bhatt affair is the question of money... There were reports that Headley used his international credit cards for his transactions. What should be explored is when Rahul Bhatt was gallivating with Headley, who paid the bills? Was it Headley? Did Headley pay for any material goods that ended up with Rahul Bhatt or did Headley wine and dine Bhatt repeatedly?

All the above raise serious questions of about the nature of the relationship... I have a sneaking suspicion that it was not at all as innocent as papa Bhatt makes it out to be.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Nov 2009 01:49

Guys,
CNN is about show a small clip of the Bombay tragedy tape with Paki handler talking to the QASAB brothers. Is massa sending somekind of message to Munna ? Tomorrow night, FZ will be narrating the whole Incident in documentary made by HBO.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 01:51

Who cares?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Nov 2009 02:00

Don't click on this link as the site is infested with malware and pop ups, but:
Mumbai attack: Headley, Rana, Kasab all together

American terror suspect David Headley, his Canadian associate Tahawwur Hussain Rana and 26/11 Mumbai attack perpetrators had the same handlers in Pakistan, in a fresh pointer to the links between the duo and the incident.

Investigations indicate Headley and Rana were part of a larger conspiracy behind 2008's mayhem in the country's financial capital, a top government source said.

"Evidence is slowly getting established that Headley and Rana were part of the larger conspiracy behind the Mumbai attack. They were in touch with same people who were giving directions to Azmal Amir Kasab (the lone surviving terrorist in Mumbai attack) and other terrorists," the source said.

(With PTI inputs)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Nov 2009 02:06

Don't click on this link as the site is infested with malware and pop us:

NIA registers case against Headley, Rana

New Delhi, November 12: The National Investigating Agency (NIA) has registered a case against suspected terrorist David Headley and his accomplice Tahawwur Hussain Rana to probe their role in various terror strikes in the country including the 26/11 Mumbai attack.

Giving details, Home Minister P Chidambaram said that this was the fourth case registered by NIA in 2009 in connection with the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

...

Maintaining that Headley had visited India ‘several times before 26/11 and once after’ the Mumbai terror strikes which left about 180 people dead, Chidambaram said, "we are conducting investigations in the cities he visited to find out whom he met and what he did."

The Home Minister sought the allay fears about a possible terror strike and asked media to desist from raising an alarm.

...

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 19 Nov 2009 02:20

Do we know for how long the FBI has been watching this Daood piglet, it is quite possible that they provided some information about this piglet to the Indian agencies and that set off a series of investigations and discreet enquiries. It is also possible that information leaked about these discreet enquiries set off the alarm bells in B-town and may even have hastened the arrest of the Piglet.
Thackeray's reaction is puzzling, he was quick to pounce on an inocuous statement by SRT but has remained strangely silent in the Rah -ul and Mah-e-sh Butt case. Knowingly or unknowingly these Butts have helped the perpetrators of 26/11, the bare minimum the investigating agencies should do is to seize their passports.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 02:21

Net widens to Hyd now!

LINK

The headley guy is now the trnasprotation cooridinator for IM. And btw the linkages to the 2002 Kolkota Consulate shooting.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Nov 2009 02:27

OK now this is getting funny.

I don't think one david headless idiot can be so omnipresent.

This is 'THE' crackdown we were all suspecting will happen. All the piglets in mufti hiding in India are being taken out.

Just like India was innoculusly testing "Prithvi" missile again and again for ages, I think the media is being fed with news of one David's visit to every nook and corner of the country.