The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 02:29

What was the tipping point that broguht this headley case to light? Looks like a lot of unsolved issues in 26/11 attack are being resolved. When did this guy come under the radar?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 19 Nov 2009 02:30

ramana wrote:Net widens to Hyd now!

LINK

The headley guy is now the trnasprotation cooridinator for IM. And btw the linkages to the 2002 Kolkota Consulate shooting.

One thing that is disappointing is instead of quietly investigating and catching all the scums who worked with him, the NIA is leaking all next steps which might help the suspects to escape. We will never learn.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Nov 2009 02:31

it was not at all as innocent as papa Bhatt makes it out to be.

Papa nahi bol rahe hain. Unki buri tarah se phati hui hai aur awaz wahi se aa rahi hai.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Nov 2009 02:34

If you know the frequency, you can jam it. Why this was not done for Mumbai is yet unanswered.

How can you jam a signal coming out of directional antenna?.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 19 Nov 2009 02:38

vijayk wrote:
ramana wrote:Net widens to Hyd now!

LINK

The headley guy is now the trnasprotation cooridinator for IM. And btw the linkages to the 2002 Kolkota Consulate shooting.
One thing that is disappointing is instead of quietly investigating and catching all the scums who worked with him, the NIA is leaking all next steps which might help the suspects to escape. We will never learn.

This perhaps has a lot to do with Chidu's " there will be severe consequences" warning a few weeks ago, quite possible that a lot of the piglets are hanging up side down in some police station or the strike(s) was called off and the piglets made it safely across the border.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 02:41

Well the investigation instead of being quiet is now in public glare and and as developments surface its getting unravelled. Most likely some swine will fly away and can be spotted this way.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 19 Nov 2009 03:15

gandharva wrote:it was not at all as innocent as papa Bhatt makes it out to be.

papa kehte hai ke badaa naam karega beta hamara aisa kaam karega .. magar ye to koi na jaane...

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Nov 2009 03:19

This blogger sees a Dawood connection to 26/11
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/11/mum ... -on-2.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 03:27

Jarita wrote:This blogger sees a Dawood connection to 26/11
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/11/mum ... -on-2.html

Red herring. Its ISI covert operation all the way.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Nov 2009 03:45

[quote="Tanaji
There are a lot of questions that are unanswered from the Mumbai attacks with sat phones being one of them. We have complete transcripts of the conversations between the attackers and their handlers. WE probably got those from the Americans... however the frequencies at which these phones operate is not a secret. Globalstar used to operate at 1610.73 to 1625.49 MHz and 2484.39 to 2490.15 MHz . If you know the frequency, you can jam it. Why this was not done for Mumbai is yet unanswered.

If sat phones are to be banned, period, it is possible for the govt to listen on this band exclusively... in fact it can be done quite cheaply by using the hundreds of cell phone towers around and putting scanners in that band.[/quote]

1. this may be because you want to record the transactions so jamming would be of no use .
2. Take the information and point it to the handlers as leads.

that makes me wonder , if we were taping them then why not pose as the handler and ask them to come to a specified room and blow them off. rather than waiting for 3 days that beside , yes the cell phone towers can track them within the indian cities but how abt call that emanate from TSP to UMMA land and back.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Nov 2009 03:59

vijayk wrote:
ramana wrote:Net widens to Hyd now!

LINK

The headley guy is now the trnasprotation cooridinator for IM. And btw the linkages to the 2002 Kolkota Consulate shooting.
One thing that is disappointing is instead of quietly investigating and catching all the scums who worked with him, the NIA is leaking all next steps which might help the suspects to escape. We will never learn.

that might not be true, what we are getting is just the skim. the real issues would already have been known to NIA and FBI knows more.
all these links and dates that this guy has been having would have already come out of headley.

does everybody thing this guy would be treated with respect and all waterboading laws would apply.

in simple terms ' mutti ku mutti'

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Nov 2009 04:15

Satellote phones in this region have their satellite uplinking at Dubai.
Now the terrorists in AfPak including AlQaida have been using sat phones, Massa has specially been on the lookout for OBL's voice hoping to track him if he's alive with the sat phone he's speaking into.

There was a recent history where massa and India collobarated on the Indian embassy attack where massa's intel intercepts pointed the finger at the ISI and was released to the media and was favouring India. Pakistan's been very wary of the tie up between massa and India.

I don't think they will risk the satphone route that easily.
1. Satphones can be tracked to the person who purchased them with credit card details etc.
2. There is 400% possibility that massa is tapping every satphone in this region to sniff electronic intel.
3. The pakis thought that a few anonymous sim cards amongst the millions in india will not be noticed. Besides there was also the case of cheap chinese built phones which did not have IMEI numbers circulating in large numbers in the indian market.

Bottom line: the pakistanis thought they had anonymity and confidently walked into a trap, that has lead to so much embarrassment.

wrt. impersonating as a terrorist handler is concerned, who would have done that, and was India even prepared to do that?

The terrorists might been using a code to identify themselves before each conversation that we heard on the channel 4 program. We haven't heard the whole conversation from beginning to the end have we? If the terrorists had suspected that they were being eavesdropped they would have gotten rid of the phones and even that source of intel would have been gone.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Nov 2009 04:18

US piles 26/11 heat on Pak before PM visit

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091119/j ... 758878.jsp

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 04:27

OK now its getting serious! On that visit to Munnar.

Headley, Rana planned to blast Sabarimala & Guruvayur temples.

The terrorist duo David Colman Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana had planned to blast two major temples in Kerala -- the Sabarimala Ayyappa temple and Guruyaur Sreekrishna Swami temple -- to spread panic in the state and country, central intelligence sources told rediff.com.

This was reportedly revealed by terror suspects while they were questioned by the Intelligence Bureau in connection with the Headley-Rana case.

Deputy Superintendent of the National Investigative Agency Habeeb Rawuthar has also reportedly questioned several people in Kerala, who had earlier attended the Students Islamic Movement of India camp in Panayikkulam and Vagamon, in connection with this revelation.

Intelligence sources had earlier confirmed that the serial blasts in Jaipur , Bangalore, New Delhi and Hyderabad were earlier planned and plotted at these SIMI training camps.

The state police is also hunting for some men who had attended the camps, but have fled the state. It is searching for the files of those who attended the SIMI camps that may contain details about the plot.

Central intelligence agencies had earlier sent a letter to the chief secretaries of all states warning that the LeT had proposed to attack power installations.

Kerala was believed to be the prime target of the attack, as there are several major and minor hydroelectric power projects in the state.

The state government had also confirmed the threat and had provided security to the power projects, which are mostly located in remote areas.

The Kerala police has, meanwhile, reopened the Ernakulam collectorate blast case that occurred few months ago to ascertain whether Rana or Headley had played a role in it. The blast had been low-key and had been caused using Improvised Explosive Devices.

There are also unconfirmed reports that a group of Kerala-based men, who had received terror training from the LeT through the outlawed SIMI, have crossed over to Bangladesh and is active within the outfit Harkattul Mujahiddin

Good job NIA.

Now to find the Pune visit meaning.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 04:50

K Subramanyam garu weighs in on the Headley case

From Tribune, 19 Nov 2009

No dialogue at this stage
Pakistan must honour its word on terrorism
by K. Subrahmanyam

A debate is on in the country whether India should accede to the Pakistani demand and get into the composite dialogue that was suspended in the wake of the 26/11 terrorist attack on Mumbai. The Pakistanis maintain that without the resumption of the dialogue and reduction of Indian forces on their eastern borders they are unable to put in optimum military effort in their war against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. It is claimed that this view has the support of some American officials also.

Others argue that dialogue with a nuclear neighbour is not only desirable but also imperative, and communication interruption is not in our interest. Some Indian analysts expect that the Prime Minister will come under pressure during his summit meeting with President Obama on November 24 to yield to the Pakistan demand for the resumption of the composite dialogue process.

The Indian stand has been that Pakistan should show adequate seriousness in prosecuting the 26/11 case and there should be action against the Lashkar -e-Toiba chief, Hafiz Saeed. Since American, Israeli, British, French and Singapore nationals were killed in the 26/11 terrorist strike, the Government of India owes it to its people as well as to the people of those countries that justice is done. Pakistan is not only testing India’s tolerance in this case but also that of the Americans. The US has the recordings of the phone conversations between the terrorists and their handlers. Pakistan has refused US agencies access to the accused in its custody. The Pakistanis have problems in bringing the LeT accused to trial since that would expose the Pakistani Army’s sponsorship of the attack.

Some new information is emerging with the arrest of David Headley and Tahawwur Rana by the FBI in Chicago. It would appear that Headley and Rana may be connected with the 26/11 attack and this is being investigated by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in India. In the chargesheet filed in the US courts there are references to an unidentified person of the LeT and it is possible that it may be another Army officer whose identity is being shielded at present by the FBI.

If India’s NIA were to establish a connection between Headley and Rana and the 26/11 attack then the case in Chicago will take a different turn and those two will also be culpable for the killings on 26/11, including that of the Americans. Imagine the outrage in India, the US and elsewhere if the Government of India were to yield on the composite dialogue even as the Pakistanis dodge the 26/11 trial and the Hafiz Saeed case and Headley and Rana get involved in the case. After Pakistan received $13 billion from the US the Republicans, whose handling of General Musharraf during the last seven years, according to President Obama, only produced mixed results, will be able to criticise the President for being soft on those who killed six Americans on 26/11.

If Pakistan gets away with this dodging they will be emboldened to find new excuses not to commit themselves wholeheartedly to defeat the jihadis and dismantle their insfrastructure. They have already started complaining that while they push the Taliban into the Afghan territory in South Waziristan the US and NATO forces on the other side of the Durand Line are not playing their roles effectively. The Pakistan Army is looking for excuses not to carry out its campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and its associate organisations. They have excuses galore — that the US and NATO are not doing their job, the US is not making funds and equipment available for use or the Indian Army is on the eastern border.

The composite dialogue was agreed to by Prime Minister A. B. Vajpayee in January 2004 on General Musharraf’s assurance that no territory under Pakistani control would be allowed to be used to launch terrorist attacks on India. Not only 26/11 was launched from Pakistani soil but also the Pakistanis are making a mockery of the trial on the one side and arguing that Hafiz Saeed had been set free by the judiciary. It is obvious to both the Indian and US authorities that the Pakistani government is not interested in making out a case against Hafiz Saeed. Putting up a bad case and getting an accused acquitted is one of the oldest tricks of corrupt policemen.

President Obama has made it clear that Pakistan did not face any threat from India. He asserted, “So make no mistake, Al-Qaeda and its extremist allies are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within.” The Pakistani argument that they are unable to shift their troops to fight the Taliban without troop reduction by India amounts to taking a stand that they would rather die of terrorist cancer than look at India realistically and not through a hate prism. India had never started a war. All four wars between the two countries were started by Pakistan. Indian troops are on the border because of Pakistan waging a covert war against India since 1989.

By putting forward this excuse of composite dialogue, a solution to the Kashmir problem and not taking effective action against jihadis, Pakistan wants to preserve its terrorist instrumentalities not only against India but the US as well. Without the US being subjected to a terrorist threat, money will not flow from Washington. Therefore, the LeT has to operate in the US and threaten it with various terrorist acts from time to time. Consequently, we have Headleys, Ranas and Zazis (arrested in Denver), and there may be more we do not know about.

An uninterrupted dialogue with Pakistan is essential. But undertaking it at this stage will send a wrong message to them both from the Indian and US points of view. To initiate a dialogue when the Pakistanis are laughing at India and the US that they are able to get away with the terrorist murder without getting anybody even legally proceeded against seriously will be counterproductive.

Two steps are essential before any dialogue can be considered. We should wait till the Indian investigation of the Headley-Rana case is completed. Secondly, Pakistan should demonstrate seriousness in respect of its commitment to disrupt and dismantle the terrorist infrastructure and defeat the jihadis. That includes the 26/11 trial and action against Hafiz Saeed.

Pakistani Army officers are of the view they have been able to outsmart not only Indians but the Americans as well. They got their nuclear weapon, billions dollars producing “mixed results” in Mr Obama’s words, have sustained their jihadi organisations and have not been punished though Pakistanis shot CIA men in 1993, tried to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993, sent money to the lead hijacker of 9/11 and Pakistani Khalid Sheikh Mohammed plotted the operation.

They gave asylum and sustained Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, and allowed the Afghan Taliban to regroup and use their territory as safe haven. Yet they received massive aid from the US during this time. Let not the Pakistanis continue to feel that they can outsmart the US and India by getting the dialogue started without fulfilling their commitments.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 19 Nov 2009 05:07

vijayk wrote: One thing that is disappointing is instead of quietly investigating and catching all the scums who worked with him, the NIA is leaking all next steps which might help the suspects to escape. We will never learn.

There is useful leaking and there is harmful leaking. Can't say which one it is.

The key is to have firm control on release of information and preferrably one source for dissemenation. Hoping its all according to plan.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 19 Nov 2009 05:17

Amir Raza, whose girlfriend investigators believe was in touch with Headley, is wanted by Octopus, the AP anti-terror agency, for the Lumbini and Gokul blasts as well as in the case of an unexploded bomb in Dilsukhnagar.

From Deccan's link : Never heard of Octopus.. is it new?

They sure pick interesting names.. Greyhounds and now Octopus.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Nov 2009 05:46

KS said it how it is...But he isn't as agressive as he should be.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 19 Nov 2009 06:24

This is the image of David Coleman Headley. I remember seeing the same picture of Headley in TOI couple of weeks ago but I cant find it now. This picture thing is definitely a Black Hole in the Indian Media especially when the issue is Bhatt Camp being fooled by his American looks. His picture is conspicuous by its absence in the Indian Media. Some things wrong or the Whole of Indian media is taking an IQ break. In this image he doesnot look like a Caucasian male at any stretch of imagination or is this Rana's Image.

http://theyeshivaworld.com/news/General ... tacks.html

Also Read

Rahul Bhatt:Pictures don't resemble the Headley I met

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 19 Nov 2009 06:53

a_kumar wrote:
Amir Raza, whose girlfriend investigators believe was in touch with Headley, is wanted by Octopus, the AP anti-terror agency, for the Lumbini and Gokul blasts as well as in the case of an unexploded bomb in Dilsukhnagar.
From Deccan's link : Never heard of Octopus.. is it new?

They sure pick interesting names.. Greyhounds and now Octopus.

I used to live in Hyd. Some impressive data about Octopus(Organisation To Counter Terrorist Operations).

Source The Hindu:

""It will be headed by an Additional DGP
The total strength of the new outfit will be 1, 34,000

Nearly 4,000 candidates to be recruited in the first phase

HYDERABAD: The elite intelligence-cum-combat outfit, contemplated by the Government to fight terrorism, has been named “OCTOPUS” - Organisation to counter terrorist operations. Octopus is a sea animal with tentacles that alters its shape to suit changing situations.

OCTOPUS will be headed by an Additional DGP and will have various wings, including special (intelligence) branches at city, district and state levels.

According to a press release issued by Chief Minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy’s Office after he reviewed the law and order situation in the State here on Friday, the Octopus will have basically three wings.

They are Intelligence & Analysis Wing that would collect intelligence inputs at sub-divisional, district, city and state levels; Technical Intelligence Wing which would monitor communication, forensic and cyber-related activities and; Research & Analysis Wing that would undertake data interpretation, analysis, inter-agency co-ordination and planning.

Surveillance operations
The OCTOPUS would undertake surveillance operations by way of shadowing, recording, interceptions; field operations through assault teams and bomb disposal squads and rescue operations equipped with ambulances and para medical teams.

The note said the OCTOPUS would also function as investigation agency for collection of evidence, scientific deductions, prosecution of the accused etc.

It said the total strength of the new outfit would be of the order of 1,34,000 including deputations and transfers. Nearly 4,000 candidates would be recruited in the first phase.""

Hyd is hot bed for several ISI cells. Some of them are lodged up in Hyd jails, some escaped, some are active from behind the bars. A vast no. of them are still active in the old city area which is populated by minorities.

Octopus is still in its infant stage. They are still in the process of acquiring land to built their campus. Currently they have some 200 odd officers. It will be impossible to attain the 1,34,000 figure. I dont know who came up with such a figure. It is hard to imagine my telugu police brothers being professional even after Octopus training. Hyderabad terror is concentrated in the Old city, a small part of Hyd. The other cities in AP dont even have minor Muslim populations. All the AP Police had to do was monitor Hyd Old City area and the ***** dont even do that.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Nov 2009 07:01

The US will press Pakistan to arrest a couple of people involved with 26/11 a day before Manmohan meets Obama and Manmohan will be asked to do one more sharm el shaikh, which he will be forced to back out of when he returns to India.

..the cycle of life will continue

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 19 Nov 2009 07:10

Apparently the bearded, Osama lookalike Tahawwur-e-pig has another brother in Canada who is a journalist.

His name is Abbas Rana

Canadian media is just now picking up the threads of the story...

To date, Mr. Rana and his family have not spoken to the media. Mr. Rana, who was born and raised in Pakistan, immigrated to Canada in 1997 and obtained Canadian citizenship in June, 2001. He and his wife, Samraz Akhtar Rana, live in Chicago with their two daughters and a son.

Mr. Rana and his wife are two of five family members who co-own the house in Kanata. But only his father, his brother Abbas and Abbas's wife currently live there. When a Globe and Mail reporter rang the doorbell Wednesday evening, a woman peered out the window of an unlit second-storey room but did not answer the door.

Abbas has worked for The Hill Times newspaper since 2002. He writes the popular “Hill Climbers” column chronicling the latest parliamentary staff changes. He could not be reached for comment Wednesday, but Jim Creskey, the publisher of the newspaper, said Abbas and his family are devastated by the news.

“Abbas believes his brother is innocent, but he really has no idea,” Mr. Creskey said. “We were notified by Abbas, and this is some weeks ago, that his brother had been arrested in Chicago by the FBI and Abbas had told us that he had no idea really why he was arrested.”

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 19 Nov 2009 09:09

As we suspected - the truth comes out...

Headley & Rana's TSP handler is a "recently retired" TSPA Officer

November 19, 2009
Ex-Military Officer in Pakistan Is Linked to 2 Chicago Terrorism Suspects

By DAVID JOHNSTON and ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON — The arrests last month of two Chicago men accused of planning an attack on a Danish newspaper have widened into a global terrorism inquiry that has led to arrests in Pakistan and implicated a former Pakistani military officer as a co-conspirator, government officials said Wednesday.

In India, where the pair from Chicago are said to have wanted to attack the country’s national defense college, investigators are trying to determine whether the two men played a role in attacks a year ago in Mumbai in which more than 160 people were killed. Officials said they had not clearly established a connection.

The case is one of the first criminal cases in which the federal authorities seem to have directly linked terrorism suspects in the United States to a former Pakistani military officer, though they have long suspected connections between extremists and many members of the Pakistani military. Intelligence officials believe that some Pakistani military and intelligence officials even encourage terrorists to attack what they see as Pakistan’s enemies, including targets in India. no shit Sherlock!

The two men, David Coleman Headley, 49, and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, 48, were accused in complaints unsealed on Oct. 27 of plotting against the employees of a newspaper in Copenhagen that published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in 2005 that offended many Muslims.

The complaints suggested that Mr. Headley — who was accused of the most serious charges, attempting to murder and maim in a foreign country — had cooperated with the authorities after his arrest on Oct. 3 as he boarded a plane on the first leg of a trip to Pakistan. The officials, who asked not to be identified because they were discussing a continuing inquiry, now say that the investigation has widened further in part because of the wealth of information supplied by Mr. Headley.

John Theis, a lawyer for Mr. Headley, and Patrick W. Blegen, a lawyer for Mr. Rana, would not comment on who was suspected of being the co-conspirator or other matters in the case. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the United States attorney in Chicago, also declined to comment. Mr. Headley and Mr. Rana are in custody pending further proceedings. Each is scheduled to appear at a detention hearing in early December.

A spokesman for the Pakistani Embassy here also declined to comment, citing the continuing inquiry.

Mr. Headley, who changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006, is a United States citizen who lived in Pakistan but recently was mainly a resident of Chicago. Mr. Rana is a Canadian citizen who has lived legally in Chicago, where he operated a travel agency and other businesses.

Mr. Headley and Mr. Rana are graduates of a military academy in the town of Hasan Abdal in Pakistan, and they maintained e-mail contact with other former students, including officers in Pakistan’s military. They belonged to a group of the school’s graduates who referred to themselves as the “abdalians” in Internet postings, according to government affidavits.

Mr. Headley and Mr. Rana were accused in the complaints of reporting to Ilyas Kashmiri, a former Pakistani military officer who has become an Islamic militant commander associated with both Al Qaeda and Lashkar-e-Taiba. The latter is a Pakistan-based militant group suspected in the deadly attacks in Mumbai.

The officials declined to name the other former military officer in the case, who is suspected as a co-conspirator. He is said to have recently left the Pakistani Army and held the rank of colonel or brigadier general, higher ranks than Mr. Kashmiri held.

Prosecution documents in the case said that the officer was arrested earlier this past summer in Pakistan on unspecified charges and later released. However, another official said that the officer was discharged only after his associates pressured the Pakistani authorities to free him.

In the complaints against Mr. Headley and Mr. Rana, the officer is identified as an uncharged conspirator by the letters “A” and “B.” The complaints describe him as “associated with Kashmiri, as well as with Lashkar-e-Taiba.”

One official who has been briefed on the investigation said that Pakistani authorities had arrested as many as five other people in connection with the plot in recent weeks, including some former or current Pakistani military officials. Those people remain in custody, but it was unclear what role they played in the expanding plot.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 19 Nov 2009 09:17

The meticulus way FBI tracked Rana and Gilani's movements may indicate
that they were under watch well before the 26/11 incident. Only lately
amirkhan has decided to catch them, and then denying the indian team
to interrogate them, points to one thing - to pressurize TSP. may be this
is another ploy to act in FATA area, or get them find an exit strategy
for the west.Probably FBI watched Rana-Gilani closely to see who their
handlers are, etc. just to get a bigger picture for amirkhan to gain more
info about the spaghetti like jihadi network. Who knows/

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Nov 2009 09:31

Bollywood actress Aarti Chhabria dated LeT man Headley?
New Delhi, November 18:
Lashkar-e-Toiba mastermind David Coleman Headley’s link with Bollywood doesn’t seem to end only with Mahesh Bhatt’s son Rahul Bhatt.

According to a source at National Investigative Agency (NIA), Bollywood actor Aarti Chhabria was alleged to have an affair with Headley, reports Mid-Day. The source said that Chhabria was introduced to Headley by Rahul at a party.

It is also reported by Intelligence Bureau’s sources that the two met frequently and were also gym buddies.

However, when Aarti was contacted by Mid-Day, she denied having met Headley. "I stay a few blocks away from Shyam Nivas but I have never met this man (Headley). I didn't even know that Rahul Bhatt was working out in the same gymnasium with the man."

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_art ... id=6572210

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 19 Nov 2009 09:34

Charlie wrote:This is the image of David Coleman Headley. I remember seeing the same picture of Headley in TOI couple of weeks ago but I cant find it now. This picture thing is definitely a Black Hole in the Indian Media especially when the issue is Bhatt Camp being fooled by his American looks. His picture is conspicuous by its absence in the Indian Media. Some things wrong or the Whole of Indian media is taking an IQ break. In this image he doesnot look like a Caucasian male at any stretch of imagination or is this Rana's Image.

http://theyeshivaworld.com/news/General ... tacks.html

Also Read

Rahul Bhatt:Pictures don't resemble the Headley I met

Here is the link to the picture of David Headley/ Dawood Gilani

http://beta.thehindu.com/multimedia/dyn ... 12277f.jpg

This guy is a Paki turned US citizen. The media has succesfully made him into a Gora.
A paki changing into a christian name can still be identified in a crowd.

The Buttheads's goose is cooked. What is surprising is in spite of crowded Gyms, how well the chota butt picked up this guy for friendship and how easily his cousin-actor Imraan Hashmi and other Chamelis of Bolywood have involved themselves with this guy. Even the average Raju on the street would be very careful with foreigners (especially a Paki) having no foundations like family etc in India. It looks more and more like Imran Hashmi may have been paid tons of money for help in the 26/11 enterprise.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Nov 2009 09:40

Sounds like the bollywood *****, cocaine and terrorist wing was in action. This guy is one ugly mug. To get the Chamelis, Emraan Hashimi acted as pimp aside from acting as a middleman for various other endeavours. There is no way in hell this average joe could have got so much access if one of the powerful bollywood drohis (BWDs) was not in.
The other alternative is that these BWDs were told to help this guy by Dawood himself. Most cannot and will not refuse him. Like the Sanjay Dutt episode.

Umrao Das · Post by **Umrao Das** » 19 Nov 2009 09:47

Boss Indians are the best for incestious acts of terrorism directed by TSP. Every terrorist act in India is because of Indians collobrating . Thst is why no body in the world takes our

Appa amma uncle aunty patongo or dekho has no takers.....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Nov 2009 10:44

Rangudu wrote:As we suspected - the truth comes out...

Headley & Rana's TSP handler is a "recently retired" TSPA Officer

The officials declined to name the other former military officer in the case, who is suspected as a co-conspirator. He is said to have recently left the Pakistani Army and held the rank of colonel or brigadier general, higher ranks than Mr. Kashmiri held.

Kasab was frequently referring to a certain 'Major General sahib' who would visit them in the company of Hafeez Saeed and who even evaluated their competence etc. On Aug 4, DT carried this news item

Elements in the intelligence agencies who were sympathetic towards terrorists had resigned and had been arrested, a private TV channel quoted Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Monday, adding they were officers of the rank of major and wanted to target army generals. {probably Major General, not simply Major ?}

He said there have been some elements in the intelligence agencies who have had links with terrorists, including Baithullah Mehsud, Qari Ilyas and Qari Hussain and with banned organisations.

vina · Post by **vina** » 19 Nov 2009 11:26

Guys.. Wasnt the "Serial Kisser" the one who created that huge hoopla of "I was discriminated in housing because I am Muslim" and tried to ride the big media circus he tried creating.

Is that the same guy now under the scanner form Daood Gilani... Umm. Daood and Bollywood. Isn't there another Dawood (Ibrahim) who was traditionally a "Playa" ?. So is that how the connection runs , Daood--> Dawood --> Bollywood.

Surely there has to be some far better explanation about how Daood got such easy and high level access to the Bollywood circles than the "Oh, we met at gym and got friendly alibi" . Could Dawood have facilitated and "lubricated" access ?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 19 Nov 2009 11:30

ramana wrote:Its getting murkier. GOI should appoint an official spokeperson for this investigation. Its death by rumor.

Google Cache of the news so far.

Fred, all we have is the mug shot from the xerox of his passport and sketches from US trial court. The rumor is he has caucasian mother accounting for his 'fair skin"

I think all those B'wood stars thought he was financier or a film distributor from abroad.

Now that the pics show his mug, he doesn't look so european any more. Probably incorrect repeated DDM reporting will turn him into a martian next.

He doesn't even need to claim he's non-desi, in fact he could play up the Punjabi angle and claim he's Indian Punjabi instead of Pak Punjabi. I don't think it would be too difficult for the guy to patao B'wood stars claiming he's a Punjabi ancestry American chap who's looking at starting a distribution business for Bollywood movies or produce a film or some such excuse. Lots of desi shows in the US are put together by Punjabi origin chaps, so it wouldn't seem too out of place for him to hobnob with stars, would it?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2009 11:54

I thought this picture was Rana. If this is Headley, is there a picture of Rana anywhere? For Rana is said to be the linch pin.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 19 Nov 2009 12:11

Ramana,
If you are referring to anantha's post above, it has 2 images. One embedded and one within a link. Rana is the one with the beard (embedded image above). Headley is in the link with a bald head.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Nov 2009 12:18

To quote our Mr. Mahesh Bhattt 'anyone can bump into anyone..Rahul just happened to bump into him'...will someone please ask him, how many of those that 'bump into' his precious son get introduced to so many Bollywood bigwigs? And why is his 'nephew' Imran silent all this while?

The secu-liar brigade is caught with their pants down big time on this - if it gets proved then it confirms the story. If it gets quietly dropped it creates even more conspiracy theories...a perfect way to pay them back for all their slander lies and anti-hindu pogroms in their own ishtyle.

niran · Post by **niran** » 19 Nov 2009 12:42

vina wrote:Guys.. Wasnt the "Serial Kisser" the one who created that huge hoopla of "I was discriminated in housing because I am Muslim" and tried to ride the big media circus he tried creating.

Yes saar he is one and the same, The Hindi media clearly displays Rana as the bearded one
of Pak origin and the bald one as Mr. H with his varied aliases. They also say to be prepared
and not be surprised if at least 20 other Bollywoodies names are mentioned in coming days.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Nov 2009 14:22

Rahul Bhatt was to play suicide bomber in debut film

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Nov 2009 14:28

Rangudu wrote:As we suspected - the truth comes out...

Headley & Rana's TSP handler is a "recently retired" TSPA Officer

November 19, 2009
Ex-Military Officer in Pakistan Is Linked to 2 Chicago Terrorism Suspects
.......................

Was going to X Post the story.

Anyway the years of cohabiting with jihadi terrorists as a strategic card to play against India seems to be comming back to infect the armed forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with the jihadi virus.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Nov 2009 14:37

Pink Panther strikes

R Jagannathan
Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:01 IST

If there is any chance that terrorism will ultimately be defeated in India, we can safely rule out effective policing and good intelligence as being the reasons for it. Exhibit A is the incompetence with which the Headley-Rana investigations are being handled. It has all the hallmarks of Inspector Jacques Clouseau of Pink Panther fame. A bumbling, fictional French detective, Clouseau survives through sheer luck and incompetence even while his enemies trip.

This has been our story, too. The latest one began with a case being registered by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation in Chicago against David Coleman Headley (aka Daood Gilani) and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, who were apparently plotting incendiary stuff in India. A few strategic leaks later, India' s panthers are all over the place, looking under dungheaps and turning over anthills in the hope that something will turn up. .......................

There is only one reason for our failure to get anywhere with our terror investigations: we are taking short-cuts all the time. Whenever there is public pressure to deliver results, our politicians expect out sleuths to come up with answers instantly -- and they do. The answers are usually dubious, if not downright misleading, but our cops have learnt the hard way that shoddy work will be forgiven as public memory is short. But there is a heavy price to be paid for making politicians appear like they can't deliver.

The police deliver what the politicians want. If there is a public outcry against a terror act, they will generate arrests and float conspiracy theories. If the heat gets worse, they sometimes deliver dead bodies in encounters. What we don't ever seem to get is a professional investigation, with all the loose ends tied and resulting in convictions. One is hard put to find any success after the 1993 blasts which ended in lots of convictions almost 15 years after the event. We might also manage to convict Kasab, thanks to the individual heroism of a lathi-wielding Omble and the good fortune we had in capturing Kasab's antics on camera. ………………………

Read it all:

DNA

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 19 Nov 2009 14:47

gandharva wrote:
If you know the frequency, you can jam it. Why this was not done for Mumbai is yet unanswered.
How can you jam a signal coming out of directional antenna?.

A bit OT but, I was referring to jamming over a small area such as the Taj hotel. On the downlink, the signal is quite spreadout. You do know the range in which the device operates, even if it is using spread spectrum. Received power is usually in the mW range. A high powered jammer that outputs around a 100W should be enough to disrupt communications.

Ananya wrote: 1. this may be because you want to record the transactions so jamming would be of no use .
2. Take the information and point it to the handlers as leads.

There is a trade-off between having evidence and endangering lives. After 1-2 days, we would have had irrefutable recordings of the conversation. After this, I am curious what the need was to keep the lines open, especially when it was evident that the handlers were providing tactical advice and orders to kill hostages.

There may be a good reason this was done, it is just not clear yet. Perhaps we did not get the transcripts in real time from the Americans, only after everything was over. Still, all the more reason to do broad spectrum jamming.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Nov 2009 16:00

Terror suspect held in jail.Canadian’s bail hearing delayed

By COLIN PERKEL The Canadian Press
Thu. Nov 19 - 4:46 AM

TORONTO — A Canadian businessman who denies allegations he was involved in a murky international terrorism plot will remain behind bars in Chicago at least until Dec. 2.

It was not immediately clear why today’s scheduled bail hearing for Tahawwur Rana was delayed.

The prosecution did say Wednesday it planned to fight to keep Rana behind bars as authorities in the U.S., India and Pakistan build a case against him.

"The government is opposing his release on bail," a Department of Justice official said from Chicago on Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"We’ve asked for his pre-trial detention."

Rana, 48, has been held in custody since his arrest at home Oct. 18. He owns several businesses, including an immigration consultancy in Toronto.

The FBI complaint alleges that Rana and another Chicago resident, American David Headley, were part of a conspiracy to attack a Danish newspaper that drew the wrath of Muslims the world over in 2005 when it published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The Pakistan-born Rana, also known as Tahawar Rana, was charged with one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorism conspiracy that allegedly involved Headley and at least three other individuals in Pakistan.

Rana’s lawyer, Patrick Blegen, said in an interview Wednesday his client "adamantly denied" the allegations.

Rana’s friends and relatives in Canada and the United States had apparently been prepared to post bail worth US$1 million to secure his release at the hearing before Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan.

Blegen refused to name the supporters.

"Once they’re listed in court, then of course they’ll be public information but I don’t want to release them before that," he said.

Indian media this week quoted intelligence sources as alleging Rana and Headley were part of the terrorist team behind the horrific Mumbai attacks a year ago, and were part of a larger conspiracy that planned further attacks in the Asian country.

U.S. prosecutors have not laid any charges against Rana in connection with those allegations.