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per this link:-
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... er_Typhoon
Pakistan is supposed to be a potential customer!!
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... er_Typhoon
Pakistan is supposed to be a potential customer!!
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There is no authentic open source information available on what are the requirements asked for in RFP. All the offered aircrafts have technically qualified for the second round so the requirements have to be pretty generic for new gen aircrafts. In second round what vendors claimed would have to be demonstrated to IAF.
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haven't heard anything about stealth being a requirement..any source ? AFAIK, the testing did not involve any measurements of RCS at a range like Maharajapur AFB..Philip wrote:Stealth is one of the requirements,though the aircraft isn't intended to rival the F-22 or 5th-gen fighter.
and what about their cost since you mentioned cost in one of your posts earlier ? they're not cheap at all, going by UAE's very recent announcement of its 25 PC-21 buy for $490 million, even if it includes ground support, training and logistics support. if India wants 75 of those, it'll be more than a billion $s for a basic trainer..Incidentally,the decision to buy off the shelf 75 basic trainers iwhich include the Pilatus in the list,is a very wise one.Some of these aircraft are actually combat capable and will assist in COIN ops.
UAE PC-21 trainer deal
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It was UAE F16 Block 60 that did field trials right? Because it is the base for F-16IN.
Well in the latest aviationweek check 6 program they mention how the UAE is frustrated over many bugs and problems on the B60.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest
Well in the latest aviationweek check 6 program they mention how the UAE is frustrated over many bugs and problems on the B60.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest
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Same article - this is going to hurt Rafale fans:SaiK wrote:per this link:-
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... er_Typhoon
Pakistan is supposed to be a potential customer!!
1. The aviation magazine "Flug Revue" reports that in 2008 German Typhoons were pitted against French Rafales. The results are said to be "extremely gratifying" for the Typhoon based on the "much greater thrust of the EJ200 engine".
2. According to the RAF, the Eurofighter's RCS is better than RAF requirements. Comments from BAE SystemsBAE Systems
suggest the radar return is around one quarter of that of the Tornado it replaces. The Eurofighter is thought to have an RCS of less than one square metre in a clean configuration by author Doug Richardson, although no official value is available. This compares with the estimated RCS of the Rafale of 2 square metres,.....
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talking of which aircraft has smaller RCS compared to other aircraft is pointless,unless it is known that semi stealth is requirement.khukri wrote:2. According to the RAF, the Eurofighter's RCS is better than RAF requirements. Comments from BAE SystemsBAE Systems
suggest the radar return is around one quarter of that of the Tornado it replaces. The Eurofighter is thought to have an RCS of less than one square metre in a clean configuration by author Doug Richardson, although no official value is available. This compares with the estimated RCS of the Rafale of 2 square metres,.....
moreover typhoon,f18 don't have better RCS when compared to LCA.
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Don't go by the rubbish that the EF consortium has spewed re. EF2000 RCS over the years. Their pitch seems to be a clear reflection of employing an RCS reduction strategy late in the development of the a/c when they suddenly realized that the rafale has incorporated quite a few such measures. Suddenly you have quotes from PR men stating RCS as low as 0.02 sqm! Much later, they say it is 1/10th of the F-15 (making it about 1sqm), now they mention 25% of the tornado. Effectively putting the bird around 2 msq. Then they have the gall to say it is close to that of the Rafale! How do they know?khukri wrote: 2. According to the RAF, the Eurofighter's RCS is better than RAF requirements. Comments from BAE SystemsBAE Systems
suggest the radar return is around one quarter of that of the Tornado it replaces. The Eurofighter is thought to have an RCS of less than one square metre in a clean configuration by author Doug Richardson, although no official value is available. This compares with the estimated RCS of the Rafale of 2 square metres,.....
As early as 1997 Dassault estimated the RCS of the Rafale at 1/3 of the M2k, which in itself was around 2-3 msq. A cursory look at both the aircraft make it clear which bird has paid greater attention to RCS reduction, and the EF-2000 does not come out shining.
As far as the EF besting the Rafale, can we get some details? I remember similar cheap reports about how EF pilots had large grins on their faces after running the MKIs aground! As far as TWR is concerned, the Rafale is only fractionally lower than the EF, however, it probly turns and manouvers better at slow speed. Then there is the ability to fire the IIR mica at BVR ranges without ever turning on its radar.
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yeah he says that they've become risk averse after the Block 60 was bought, because they're still fixing some kinks in teh systems and subsystems on the electronic systems that the Block 60 has..they want something on the Erieye which is proven and demonstrated. I'm pretty sure that even the Gripen NG will have teething issues for the first couple of years. It doesn't say that they are not happy with the capabilities of the Block 60.dorai wrote:It was UAE F16 Block 60 that did field trials right? Because it is the base for F-16IN.
Well in the latest aviationweek check 6 program they mention how the UAE is frustrated over many bugs and problems on the B60.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest
interestingly, it seems that Saab is looking to remove all US content so that they don't have to go through the US ITAR clearances so as to make deliveries of the "interim" Erieyes on time.
most interestingly, the US apparently told the UAE that they could not have Pakistani pilots fly the Block 60, because the US was at that time not selling F-16s to Pakistanis and they had technology restrictions on them..and now they have 6-8 American pilots flying for them..i guess those rules don't apply now that they're selling F-16 Block 50s to the Pakis.
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Rafale publications
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/def ... s.html?L=1
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/def ... s.html?L=1
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And this is exactly why I think the SH is the best choice for India's situation.Kartik wrote:yeah he says that they've become risk averse after the Block 60 was bought, because they're still fixing some kinks in teh systems and subsystems on the electronic systems that the Block 60 has..they want something on the Erieye which is proven and demonstrated. I'm pretty sure that even the Gripen NG will have teething issues for the first couple of years. It doesn't say that they are not happy with the capabilities of the Block 60.
You need something that is available QUICKLY and works NOW.
India can't afford to spend another 10 years fiddling with the MRCA after it inducts it. It needs something that can hit the ground running.
You have all sorts of different future projects, but that only helps the future. In the present your squadron strength is decreasing dramatically while China is rapidly modernizing its forces.
Something that is credible, flexible and above all, working, is the way to go.
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SHs don't park in the garage, they park on the deck of aircraft carriers under the sweltering tropical sun.pandyan wrote:^^^ GW, My tea engineer told me that SH didnt perform upto mark during hot weather trials. So, according to him, even if SH is selected there would be considerable hardening effort involved to handle indian weather conditions and typical soaking in sun type conditions (like parking on the streets instead of garage).
I have no way of knowing if what you claim is true or not, but even if it didn't meet the 'mark', it couldn't have been that far off.
Even if there are physical modifications required (which I doubt), those are easier and less troublesome than system integration issues.
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I really hope IAF does not do this mistake of going with yankee crap that we will regret later. It would be safer to buy goods from the Chinese than go with the Americans. Call me old fashioned but the Mig-35 will always be an kick ass fighter and is our best bet with full TOT and if they allow us to manufacture those engines here that is. I dont want any strings attached or foreign policy blunders that we will regret later.
The Mig-35 with an E-scan radar sourced from the Israelis would definitely kick ass, atleast anything the Chinese or pakis could throw at us.
USA is an anti-democracy and pro puppet regime installer, our gov already has no guts to test our nukes becoz of the fabled nuke deal and imagine if these strings come attached, good by self-respect, i wont even watch the R-parade anymore.
The Mig-35 with an E-scan radar sourced from the Israelis would definitely kick ass, atleast anything the Chinese or pakis could throw at us.
USA is an anti-democracy and pro puppet regime installer, our gov already has no guts to test our nukes becoz of the fabled nuke deal and imagine if these strings come attached, good by self-respect, i wont even watch the R-parade anymore.
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Kartik wrote:yeah he says that they've become risk averse after the Block 60 was bought, because they're still fixing some kinks in teh systems and subsystems on the electronic systems that the Block 60 has..they want something on the Erieye which is proven and demonstrated. I'm pretty sure that even the Gripen NG will have teething issues for the first couple of years. It doesn't say that they are not happy with the capabilities of the Block 60.dorai wrote:It was UAE F16 Block 60 that did field trials right? Because it is the base for F-16IN.
Well in the latest aviationweek check 6 program they mention how the UAE is frustrated over many bugs and problems on the B60.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest
interestingly, it seems that Saab is looking to remove all US content so that they don't have to go through the US ITAR clearances so as to make deliveries of the "interim" Erieyes on time.
most interestingly, the US apparently told the UAE that they could not have Pakistani pilots fly the Block 60, because the US was at that time not selling F-16s to Pakistanis and they had technology restrictions on them..and now they have 6-8 American pilots flying for them..i guess those rules don't apply now that they're selling F-16 Block 50s to the Pakis.
The UAE’s F-16 Block 60 Desert Falcon Fleet
The other issue concerned the Black Shahine derivative of MBDA’s Storm Shadow stealth cruise missile. The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) defines 300 km as the current limit for cruise missiles, and the terms of the sale allow the United States to regulate which weapons the F-16s can carry. Since the Black Shahine was deemed to have a range of over 300km, the US State Department refused to let Lockheed Martin change the data bus to permit the F-16E/Fs to carry the missile. It is believed that the Mirage 2000v9 upgrades the UAE has purchased from France will address this issue, giving the UAE a platform capable of handling their new acquisition.
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The first time I heard that was from the Rafale team.pandyan wrote:^^^ GW, My tea engineer told me that SH didnt perform upto mark during hot weather trials. So, according to him, even if SH is selected there would be considerable hardening effort involved to handle indian weather conditions and typical soaking in sun type conditions (like parking on the streets instead of garage).
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One of the advantages Rafale has in the MRCA contest is that it can make a direct comparison with the Mirage-2000, which the IAF loves very much. You see these comparisons in the above publications. For example, when they mention that Rafale requires 30% less manning levels (supportability - reliability, maintenance, repair) compared to the Mirage 2000s, the IAF will immediately "get it" (and calculate the savings) based on their 25 years of experience with the Mirage 2000s.SaiK wrote:Rafale publications
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/def ... s.html?L=1
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This is on the 8th publication (Fox Three n°8) on page 8:SaiK wrote:Rafale publications
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/def ... s.html?L=1
It can climb to 40,000 feet in under two minutes and accelerate very rapidly to supersonic speed. More significantly, it can supercruise
in dry power, even with four missiles and a belly drop tank.
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daydreamingkarthik wrote:The Mig-35 with an E-scan radar sourced from the Israelis would definitely kick ass, atleast anything the Chinese or pakis could throw at us.

is el/m2052 totally israeli?
From a technical perspective, MIS is now the technology only in Russia and the United States. All the other participants of the tender do not have it in full (England), or at all. This will allow the U.S. to influence other players. So the U.S. has offered Israel a de facto ban on their tender MIS, created with the participation of American technologies. A strong and independent candidate in this regard may prove to be France, but there is work going slowly and also have a dependency on the U.S. technology IIA. In Sweden there are no proprietary technology or MIS, or MRP.
but US control is no more problem for israelis for their aesa
It is reported that the cost of manufacture with AFAR radar "Zhuk - AE "in the serial production of between 3,5 to 4,5 million. The developers estimate the cost of the entire cycle of creation AFAR very moderate - about 30 ... $ 40 million. As a comparison, the cost of the establishment of various western Afar, which will be offered for tender, are now (work not yet completed) from 250 to 700 million
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 2X7vM5l2VA
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Some interesting tit-bits on Rafale dogfights with F14/F15/F16/F18/Harrier/Mirage-2000 from Rafale > Publications' "FoxThree" magazine:
FoxThree n°10 on page 14:
FoxThree n°10 on page 14:
Fox Three n°4 on page 1:Obvious advantage
During their stay, each pilot flew several missions every day and, for all Mirage 2000 and F-16 aircrews involved, the exercise was their first encounter with the Rafale. Needless to say, they were all impressed by the latest Dassault fighter.
« In a dogfight, using only our guns and short range missiles, it is indeed very difficult for a Mirage 2000 pilot to win the day against a Rafale, admits Commandant Jean-Roch Piselli, the ‘Boss’ of EC 1/5 Detachment. Considering the imposed rules of engagement during the first phase of the exercise, our only real opportunity was to fire first, just after the crossover. Even though the Mirage 2000 is equipped with notoriously effective fly-bywire controls, it does not offer the same level of performance in terms of manoeuvrability and engine thrust and response. We have to select full afterburner as soon as the fight begins while the Rafale pilot can throttle back and even remain in full dry, military power: we burn more fuel and our infrared signature is significantly higher whereas he can reaccelerate very rapidly if needed. »
Flottille 12F was declared fully operational in June 2004, and the Rafale pilots now perfectly know how to handle their aircraft to quickly win the fight: « we always devise a ‘game plan’ to exploit both the Rafale’s fantastic acceleration and its outstanding agility, explains Lieutenant-Commander Pascal Cassan. Against a F-16, the Rafale is more powerful in the whole flight envelope, and is considerably more manoeuvrable below 300 knots. Ideally, after the crossover, I will climb into the sun to force him to slow down. I will constantly threaten him by pointing the
Rafale’s nose in his direction. That will force him to tighten his turn even more, and his speed will wash out very rapidly. On the contrary, the F-16 pilots will do what they can to keep their speed and energy up. » Numerous ‘beyond visual range’ (BVR) engagement were simulated during the week, and the Rafale proved as deadly in the long-range arena as in a dogfight: « I think that our RBE2 electronic scanning radar is very good, indicates Lieutenant Le Bars. Against a F-15 or a F-16, two aircraft types that have enormous radar cross-sections because of their massive airintakes, our detection ranges are excellent. In a BVR scenario, we always try to engage at high level and fire our lethal Mica missiles at high altitude to give them the longest possible range. Ideally, we will ‘loft’ the radar-guided Micas to boost their range before diving down to low level while simultaneously opening left or right. In doing so, we deny the opponent any opportunity to fire back. When in the ‘merge’, we quickly gain the upper hand against a F-16: with our large delta wing and our canard foreplanes, we have considerably more authority in pitch and we can turn more tightly, the Rafale offering better sustained turn rates than the F-16 at low, medium and high levels. Our Snecma M88-2 turbofans are so powerful that we often have to reduce power to avoid overtaking our prey.»
With only a couple of serviceable, outdated fighters, the Taliban Air Force was not a threat, and there was no need to engage air superiority assets over Afghanistan. As a result, the Rafales do not participate in full-scale operations over that country. They are nevertheless kept extremely busy, and they regularly practise dissimilar air-combat training against American fighters from USS Theodore Roosevelt and USS John C. Stennis and AV-8B+ Harrier IIs from Italian carrier Garibaldi. According to the pilots, the F-14 Tomcats, F-18 Hornets and AV-8B+ Harriers are no match for the Rafales: thanks to their high thrust-to-weight ratio, low wing loading, and extreme agility, the Rafales quickly gain the upper hand. On board the Charles de Gaulle, the pilots have a combat simulator at their disposal where they can train in a number of scenarios: catapult shots, carrier landings, navigation, and BVR combat.
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Nice titbits of Rafale vs the rest.Of the lot,only the Gripen,Rafale and Typhoon are contemporary $th-gen designs,while the other three are advanced versions of earlier '70s and '80s designs,bringing them upto 4th gen or at the most 4+.But at what price do these two worthies come,and what is their significant advantage over the much cheaper and more formidable SU-30MKI? If they are still inferior,then there is a huge Q mark whether they will be able to last out "40 yrs." as is wanted! Within a year,the 5th-gen fighter will appear to be ins ervice by around 2015,and with more use of UCAVs,within 5 years,with carrier UCAV ops beginning, there will be huge developments and rethinking in the world's major air forces.How the IAF/MOD is going to afford and juggle three major projects,the 5th-gen fighter,development of the LCA MK-2 (MCA too ?) and the MMRCA is a huge point in question.
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Here's a news item about huge Gulf def. sales ,with the Rafale on course for the UAE,along with Pilatus trainers and Swedeish AEW aircraft.If the Rafale deal is clinched as indicated,then the French could leverage that in both the Brazilian and IAF contests.
Gulf arms race triggered by Iranian aggression
Tensions over Iran's nuclear programme have spurred an arms race in the Gulf with record defence deals being negotiated.
By Richard Spencer in Dubai
Published: 6:04PM GMT 22 Nov 2009
Saudi Arabia, long the major arms-buyer in the region, is now being overtaken by relative minnows such as the United Arab Emirates as they share their neighbour's fear of the growing military strength of their Shia neighbour.
Iran yesterday began a week-long military exercise to test its readiness against missile attack. The exercise was overtly intended as a message to Israel that any attack on its nuclear programme would be met with strong resistance.
"If the enemy wants to test its bad luck and fire a missile into Iran, before the dust settles, Iran's ballistic missiles will target the heart of Tel Aviv," Mojtaba Zolnour, an aide to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said.
But Gulf states believe Iran's main strategic aim is to become the dominant power in the oil-rich region. As the West shows itself unable to prevent Iran developing its nuclear programme, they are determined to arm themselves.
The refusal by Iran to agree a deal to send most of its enriched uranium abroad would only spur arms sales further, said Theodore Karasik, director of research at the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis.
"The threat perception is definitely about Iran," he said.
Arms companies were in buoyant mood at last week's Dubai air show particularly in comparison to the civilian air industry, which is suffering from a credit crunch-induced slump in passenger numbers.
BAE Systems, Britain's biggest arms manufacturer, is currently delivering to Saudi Arabia an order for 72 Eurofighter Typhoon jets, which it makes as part of a European consortium.
Defence spending in the kingdom is projected to rise from $43.52 billion this year (pounds 26.17 billion) to $47.4 billion (pounds 28.5billion) in 2010.
But other Gulf states are catching up.
Eurofighter's chief executive, Enzo Casolini, told the show he thought the Middle East would buy half the 300 Eurofighters he has set as his target sales figure by 2020.
The United Arab Emirates is now the third largest arms importer in the world, after China and India, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
It confirmed it was in the final stages of negotiating a deal with France to replace 63 Mirage jets with Dassault Rafale fighters. It also agreed to buy two reconnaissance aircraft from the Swedish company Saab, whose biggest stake is held by BAE Systems, as well as 25 Swiss trainer aircraft.
It has also applied to the United States to buy a $7 billion Terminal High Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) anti-missile system.
Martin Bennett, BAE Systems' Middle East vice-president, said clients in the Gulf had "wobbled" as the oil price sank at the end of last year.
"When it went down to 40 dollars a barrel you heard some leaders say, let's hold on, push out orders to 2012," he said. "Then it went back up to 70 or 80 and now it's all coming forward again."
His American rival, Lockheed Martin, showed off its new F22 fighter, even though it is not licensed for sale outside the United States.
Analysts suggested the United States Air Force approved the 14-minute display, full of dramatic aerial stunts, to make a point about American military strength to Iran, just 100 miles across the Gulf.
George Standridge, vice president for business development for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said he could not comment on the politics of arms deals, but said American allies in the region needed to be confident of their defence abilities.
He added: "This is a prosperous region. What does it require to be prosperous? It requires stability."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ssion.html
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What if all the contenders scored equal points on the evaluations?
btw, never heard Indian pilots taking these a/cs. When is that?
btw, never heard Indian pilots taking these a/cs. When is that?
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there is need of question and answer thread,where one can ask any question regarding national or international military equipment.
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haha!.. missed this report totally, perhaps posted earlier here (appologies)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... n-bid.html
The yankees are really scared of Elta 2052!! wow!
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btw tons of info here:-- hope its not ddmite-centric.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=11934
SH vs. Rafale-M. for IN.. making the MMRCA to 200 a/cs.
so.. technically, the MMRCA order for India could be split between 125 for IAF and 75 for IN.
If IN takes SH, highly likely if JSF is a promise as next step for the possible queen liz class /hawa?.
SH may be too big.. but the reports has some boeing confirmations.
So, the khans will get either IAF or IN.. in all possibility, my hunch is :
125 EJs vs Rafale vs Gripen(if 2052)
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75 SH or perhaps JSF- vtol.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... n-bid.html
The yankees are really scared of Elta 2052!! wow!
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btw tons of info here:-- hope its not ddmite-centric.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=11934
SH vs. Rafale-M. for IN.. making the MMRCA to 200 a/cs.
so.. technically, the MMRCA order for India could be split between 125 for IAF and 75 for IN.
If IN takes SH, highly likely if JSF is a promise as next step for the possible queen liz class /hawa?.
SH may be too big.. but the reports has some boeing confirmations.
So, the khans will get either IAF or IN.. in all possibility, my hunch is :
125 EJs vs Rafale vs Gripen(if 2052)
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75 SH or perhaps JSF- vtol.
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That report has already been debunked. Saab was never going to use the Elta.SaiK wrote:haha!.. missed this report totally, perhaps posted earlier here (appologies)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... n-bid.html
The yankees are really scared of Elta 2052!! wow!
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this report about f18 or rafale on AC seems to be wrong ,only contender can be f35 by 2016-17,why navy will like to buy f18 or rafale for AC when rafale,f18,mig29k are of same leagueSaiK wrote:haha!.. missed this report totally, perhaps posted earlier here (appologies)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... n-bid.html
The yankees are really scared of Elta 2052!! wow!
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btw tons of info here:-- hope its not ddmite-centric.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=11934
SH vs. Rafale-M. for IN.. making the MMRCA to 200 a/cs.
so.. technically, the MMRCA order for India could be split between 125 for IAF and 75 for IN.
If IN takes SH, highly likely if JSF is a promise as next step for the possible queen liz class /hawa?.
SH may be too big.. but the reports has some boeing confirmations.
So, the khans will get either IAF or IN.. in all possibility, my hunch is :
125 EJs vs Rafale vs Gripen(if 2052)
and
75 SH or perhaps JSF- vtol.
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There is an article in Indian Daily today which says IN has settled for F18 Super shornets which will knock the bottoms of the Chinese. It could be assumed that IAF May follow suit to keep commonality in mind. I have posted the full article under MRCA thread which has accidentally 'opened a new thread' Request to Moderators: Please shift to MRCA News and discussion thread or whichever appropriate.
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What is the name of the daily. If true then:
MRCA winner is F/A-18. Is there a significance to MMS in US to discuss with Obama. Is this the penultimate step in finalizing the deal.
Will there be any changes to ASEA radar that raised enthusiasm in IAF pilots.
i wonder how long and how many more steps it will take to get approval of sale to India through US congress.
The following is also another support to wild guess that F/A-18 is the Winner of MRCA..
The following piece of news might have been discussed, if so then this is redundant piece of news - ignore.
Super Hornet favourite in Indian and Brazilian tenders:
The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is well placed to fulfil both the Indian and Brazilian fighter requirements, the company and its industry partners said on 28 October.
Boeing and its Team Super Hornet partners – Raytheon and General Electric (GE) – presented a broad-ranging review of the F/A-18E/F's position in both the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Medium-Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme for 163 aircraft plus 63 options and the Brazilian Air Force's F-X2 tender for the first 36 of what is projected to be a total of 120 fighters.
Boeing stated that two major factors make the Super Hornet competitive in both markets: the first one being that the economies of scale that result from both the aircraft and its major subsystems are still hot (active) production lines and hence have steadily reduced the unit cost of the aircraft; the other is that the modular nature of the aircraft's sensors and propulsion system permit technology insertion that dramatically increases performance at minimal expense.
"The history of the F/A-18E/F's development has now seen a negative slope in terms of cost and a positive slope in terms of capability. For this reason we feel for the first time we are competing on even terms with the [Lockheed Martin] F-16 in terms of price," stated Boeing Military Aircraft IDS President Chris Chadwick.
Raytheon representatives, who also briefed during the New Delhi conference, emphasised that "Raytheon provided the first AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar sets to both the USAF [US Air Force] and USN [US Navy]", and that the company continues to leverage technological improvements across its product lines in improving the Super Hornet's AN/APG-79 radar.
(Ref: JANES - http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/j ... _1_n.shtml)
MRCA winner is F/A-18. Is there a significance to MMS in US to discuss with Obama. Is this the penultimate step in finalizing the deal.
Will there be any changes to ASEA radar that raised enthusiasm in IAF pilots.
i wonder how long and how many more steps it will take to get approval of sale to India through US congress.
The following is also another support to wild guess that F/A-18 is the Winner of MRCA..
The following piece of news might have been discussed, if so then this is redundant piece of news - ignore.
Super Hornet favourite in Indian and Brazilian tenders:
The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is well placed to fulfil both the Indian and Brazilian fighter requirements, the company and its industry partners said on 28 October.
Boeing and its Team Super Hornet partners – Raytheon and General Electric (GE) – presented a broad-ranging review of the F/A-18E/F's position in both the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Medium-Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme for 163 aircraft plus 63 options and the Brazilian Air Force's F-X2 tender for the first 36 of what is projected to be a total of 120 fighters.
Boeing stated that two major factors make the Super Hornet competitive in both markets: the first one being that the economies of scale that result from both the aircraft and its major subsystems are still hot (active) production lines and hence have steadily reduced the unit cost of the aircraft; the other is that the modular nature of the aircraft's sensors and propulsion system permit technology insertion that dramatically increases performance at minimal expense.
"The history of the F/A-18E/F's development has now seen a negative slope in terms of cost and a positive slope in terms of capability. For this reason we feel for the first time we are competing on even terms with the [Lockheed Martin] F-16 in terms of price," stated Boeing Military Aircraft IDS President Chris Chadwick.
Raytheon representatives, who also briefed during the New Delhi conference, emphasised that "Raytheon provided the first AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar sets to both the USAF [US Air Force] and USN [US Navy]", and that the company continues to leverage technological improvements across its product lines in improving the Super Hornet's AN/APG-79 radar.
(Ref: JANES - http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/j ... _1_n.shtml)
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The Navy's order for F-18s for an aircraft carrier is NOT the MRCA.
This could also mean that the news about Indian possibly acquiring the Prince Of Wales from the UK could be true. The F-18 would be a perfect fit for the PoW.
The IN already has the airwing for the Gorshkov and the ADS worked out and aircraft ordered.
The Mig-29K and the NLCA are the planes.
This could also mean that the news about Indian possibly acquiring the Prince Of Wales from the UK could be true. The F-18 would be a perfect fit for the PoW.
The IN already has the airwing for the Gorshkov and the ADS worked out and aircraft ordered.
The Mig-29K and the NLCA are the planes.
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just wondering if it would be reasonable to buy the f-18 for just one carrier?Gagan wrote:The Navy's order for F-18s for an aircraft carrier is NOT the MRCA.
This could also mean that the news about Indian possibly acquiring the Prince Of Wales from the UK could be true. The F-18 would be a perfect fit for the PoW.
The IN already has the airwing for the Gorshkov and the ADS worked out and aircraft ordered.
The Mig-29K and the NLCA are the planes.
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The IN is going to get F-18s?? For which carrier? We have planes at the ready and no carrier in sight right now. Which carrier is the IN going to use the F-18s on? Link please!
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Can Gorshkov can handle it? No, what are we talking about??
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The name of the daily is 'India daily.com' MMS is unlikely to seal this deal on current visit. It seems logical enough that IAF will follow in the footsteps. Also the US dollar being weaker makes it attractive to buy from US.suraj p wrote:What is the name of the daily. If true then:
MRCA winner is F/A-18. Is there a significance to MMS in US to discuss with Obama. Is this the penultimate step in finalizing the deal.
Will there be any changes to ASEA radar that raised enthusiasm in IAF pilots.
i wonder how long and how many more steps it will take to get approval of sale to India through US congress.
The following is also another support to wild guess that F/A-18 is the Winner of MRCA..
The following piece of news might have been discussed, if so then this is redundant piece of news - ignore.
Super Hornet favourite in Indian and Brazilian tenders:
The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is well placed to fulfil both the Indian and Brazilian fighter requirements, the company and its industry partners said on 28 October.
Boeing and its Team Super Hornet partners – Raytheon and General Electric (GE) – presented a broad-ranging review of the F/A-18E/F's position in both the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Medium-Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme for 163 aircraft plus 63 options and the Brazilian Air Force's F-X2 tender for the first 36 of what is projected to be a total of 120 fighters.
Boeing stated that two major factors make the Super Hornet competitive in both markets: the first one being that the economies of scale that result from both the aircraft and its major subsystems are still hot (active) production lines and hence have steadily reduced the unit cost of the aircraft; the other is that the modular nature of the aircraft's sensors and propulsion system permit technology insertion that dramatically increases performance at minimal expense.
"The history of the F/A-18E/F's development has now seen a negative slope in terms of cost and a positive slope in terms of capability. For this reason we feel for the first time we are competing on even terms with the [Lockheed Martin] F-16 in terms of price," stated Boeing Military Aircraft IDS President Chris Chadwick.
Raytheon representatives, who also briefed during the New Delhi conference, emphasised that "Raytheon provided the first AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar sets to both the USAF [US Air Force] and USN [US Navy]", and that the company continues to leverage technological improvements across its product lines in improving the Super Hornet's AN/APG-79 radar.
(Ref: JANES - http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/j ... _1_n.shtml)
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Boeing claims the SH will work off the Gorshkov with a 'significant' payloadravi_ku wrote:Can Gorshkov can handle it? No, what are we talking about??
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if this is true then IN could be brasing for Nimitz-class as well.
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At this time, all talks of IN going in for SH is pure BS. In fact, according to some reports, they were looking at exercising the options for additional Mig-29Ks.
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The follow on order to the first 16 has been placed. Th new total is 45.RaviBg wrote:At this time, all talks of IN going in for SH is pure BS. In fact, according to some reports, they were looking at exercising the options for additional Mig-29Ks.
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yeah I heard that too, from another source who is pretty well connected. it seems that some electronics didn't particularly do well in the heat-soak tests. they actually got away easy. if they'd have done it in Nagpur's blistering heat in mid-summer (like they did for the IJT and LCA), they'd know what heat-soak in the Indian hinterland means. it gets close to 50 deg ambient on the tarmac. but the solution is simple. temporary shelters could do the trick.pandyan wrote:^^^ GW, My tea engineer told me that SH didnt perform upto mark during hot weather trials. So, according to him, even if SH is selected there would be considerable hardening effort involved to handle indian weather conditions and typical soaking in sun type conditions (like parking on the streets instead of garage).
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IAF currently just covers the canopies to prevent the electronics inside from getting fried. Did they do the same to the SH too? Because if it was just due to canopies not being covered, temporary shelters will do the trick as it is almost equivalent. Otherwise, they would require temperature controlled hangars.Kartik wrote: yeah I heard that too, from another source who is pretty well connected. it seems that some electronics didn't particularly do well in the heat-soak tests. they actually got away easy. if they'd have done it in Nagpur's blistering heat in mid-summer (like they did for the IJT and LCA), they'd know what heat-soak in the Indian hinterland means. it gets close to 50 deg ambient on the tarmac. but the solution is simple. temporary shelters could do the trick.
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SH? === Super Hornet????????
they did not perform well in heat-soak conditions and that too in Nagpur ............
thats silly...
F/A18 are tested in Mojhave and the temp. goes beyond 50c easily...
IAF personnel had little worries during RedFlag exercises due to excessive heat...
they did not perform well in heat-soak conditions and that too in Nagpur ............
thats silly...
F/A18 are tested in Mojhave and the temp. goes beyond 50c easily...
IAF personnel had little worries during RedFlag exercises due to excessive heat...
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Its hot and humid in India. Unlike Mojave.