J & K news and discussion

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 23 Nov 2009 18:07

Kashmiris will never leave India: Farooq Abdullah

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 23 Nov 2009 18:35

is there anything to why only mirwaiz was invited?

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 23 Nov 2009 19:52

shaardula wrote:is there anything to why only mirwaiz was invited?

Because he is one of the very few "separatist" left in Kashmir.

China, which has successfully managed to stay away from Islamic fundamentalism or curb it, is venturing into the wrong territory. They don't realize what kind of a mess they are involving themselves into.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 23 Nov 2009 20:01

Avinash R wrote:Kashmiris will never leave India: Farooq Abdullah

Abdullah is not reliable; he was singing a different tune when the Amarnath controvery was raging.

satya · Post by **satya** » 23 Nov 2009 23:38

Mirwaiz is the official 'soft' face/picture boy of separatism in J&K. Abdul Ghani Bhatt is the radical face and already in TSPian pocket . Mirwaiz is US play besides these days its cool to be seen in talk with moderate muslims leaders 'publicly'. PRC can meet APHC's leadership covertly for that it doesn't need to bring him to Forbidden Palace overtly , in doing so publicly its wants to be seen as one of the stakeholders in J&K issue in sub-continent. Its about public perception about Brits passed J&K button to US and now US to PRC , its coming near desh after travelling 7 samundar .

Abdullahs are the first family of J&K , like it or not ,honesty, trustworthy & all such issues are for subjects/mango people not Kings and besides they don't make u a politician anywhere in world . They have survived all these years in J&K political waters so give them some credit for that . They have more supporters generation to generation in the state than any other leader can claim in J&K so its always good to have such person on your side ( likes of Prabhu Chawla who's allowed some space to ask his spicy questions allowing him to be seen as one of leading torch of free journalism that India Today so much professes ) . As for their statements during Amarnath shrine board land issue , you always need someone as your Trojan horse to cool thing down last thing we want is anti-nationals completely hijack the agenda and ultimately the political space.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Nov 2009 00:09

satya wrote:
Abdullahs are the first family of J&K , like it or not ,honesty, trustworthy & all such issues are for subjects/mango people not Kings and besides they don't make u a politician anywhere in world . They have survived all these years in J&K political waters so give them some credit for that .

The questions is not about current period but in the future.
How can the people be totally pro India. Abdullahs can get that done.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 24 Nov 2009 03:30

They recently renamed Anantnag as Islamabad

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Nov 2009 07:57

Anantnag was named Anantnag-Islamabad even in the '90s when I visited the Kashmir valley a couple of times.
Plenty of cricket bats on sale at roadside woodwork shops in the valley.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 25 Nov 2009 12:34

Srinagar: A European Union delegation, on a two-day visit to the valley, on Tuesday said Jammu and Kashmir is an integral and important part of India.

“Kashmir is an integral and important part of India,” Swedish Ambassador to India Lors Olof Lindgren, the head of the five-member EU delegation, said in Srinagar.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kashmir-an-i ... ml?from=tn

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 25 Nov 2009 18:58

The EU has no locus standi on J&K, whether they are pro- or against-"it belongs to Yindia" statement. The EU should take care of its backyard and not poke its nose in Indian matters, now or in the future, pro- or against-, period. That is the only way to have a constructive relationship with India, anything else and they are shooting themselves in their feet like they have been doing for the past 60+ years.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Nov 2009 19:32

^^^ Another reading is that of every visitor here reaffirm/pledge allegiance to the Yindia's core principles, stand and sensitivities - namely, territorial unity and integrity of Yindia is non-negotiable.

Also represents a slap on TSPian == face and base.

And not much different from PRC demanding of every fawner, flatterer and visitor coming to pay homage to reaffirm PRC stand on Tibet, Taiwan and Trade, and getting its way so far.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Nov 2009 21:44

Jarita wrote:They recently renamed Anantnag as Islamabad

Jarita, KM muslims always called/wanted to call Anantnag as Islamabad.
Too bad if KM's have been allowed to rename the ancient Kashmiri town. Few years down the line, every vestige of Hindu civilization
would have been erased if not done already. This really hurts.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 25 Nov 2009 21:58

Vikas I know that. problem is that they have formally changed the name.
Soon Hari Parbat will be takt e sharief or whatever

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Nov 2009 22:20

Jarita wrote:Vikas I know that. problem is that they have formally changed the name.
Soon Hari Parbat will be takt e sharief or whatever

When did they change it, I have tracked this issue and the last is, the bill has been deferred due to heavy opposition to the bill. So please substantiate if you have any further news with some link.

All it needs to restore the legacy of the valley is to remove that god damn article that gives them special privileges. But if things progress the way things are going now and porkistan breaks, any govt of india will eventually remove that article.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 26 Nov 2009 00:21

BTW, if you take a bus to Anantnag and tell the conductor you want to go to Anantnag, they will ignore you till you say Islamabad. Things are pretty bad

Official institutions are renaming it.
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/rkm/j- ... -islamabad

While the re-naming of Anantnag as Islamabad had generated enough heat
in the state forcing the government to defer the bill to rename
Anantnag as Islamabad, J&K Bank has joined the bandwagon of Kashmiri
newspapers in using Islamabad in its official calendar instead of
Anantnag.In its recent ‘Iftar and Sehri’ calendar for the benefit of Kashmiri
Muslims during the month of Holy Ramzan, J&K Bank has used the name
ISLAMABAD instead of Anantnag giving rise to a wave of resentment among
the Jammuites particularly Kashmiri Pandits.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Nov 2009 00:32

I think one of the title of Maharaja Hari Singh or his father was "Tibetdhiraj". Since he signed the accession documents to India,its makes Tibbet Indian terrirtory. His Holiness Dalai Lama and his Tiibetan council should make a public announcement that Tibbet belongs to India and demand plebicite so Mango Tibbetan can verify this accession so Tibbetan can live free to practice their culture and religion.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 26 Nov 2009 00:37

Jarita wrote:BTW, if you take a bus to Anantnag and tell the conductor you want to go to Anantnag, they will ignore you till you say Islamabad. Things are pretty bad

Official institutions are renaming it.
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/rkm/j- ... -islamabad

While the re-naming of Anantnag as Islamabad had generated enough heat
in the state forcing the government to defer the bill to rename
Anantnag as Islamabad, J&K Bank has joined the bandwagon of Kashmiri
newspapers in using Islamabad in its official calendar instead of
Anantnag.In its recent ‘Iftar and Sehri’ calendar for the benefit of Kashmiri
Muslims during the month of Holy Ramzan, J&K Bank has used the name
ISLAMABAD instead of Anantnag giving rise to a wave of resentment among
the Jammuites particularly Kashmiri Pandits.

Jarita saab,

I am not going to give this any weight, when did you go to anantnag in a bus (i assume that you live in the US since you are logging in around this time). So either you heard about the conductor from a sangh friend or a relative of yours who happens to be in kashmir now.

The para you have is not an official statement. I want an official document, not Sangh's breastbeating and crying.

I am willing to bet on this forum that officially that change can never me made. I dont want to go into details of what our army will do in such situation and all, but it wont and cant change from anatnag, just like ahmedabad will never become karnavati even under Modi except in the rona dhona of sangh outlets (who only cry but dont do a single thing, i am fed up with those lazy guys). period.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 26 Nov 2009 01:01

Yes it's from a relation who is a KP. I think that is credible enuff.
How official is official if the banks etc are changing the names?

BTW you'll see me posting are across the entire day. Don't go by timing to determine where someone might be

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 26 Nov 2009 01:18

Jarita wrote:Yes it's from a relation who is a KP. I think that is credible enuff.
How official is official if the banks etc are changing the names?

BTW you'll see me posting are across the entire day. Don't go by timing to determine where someone might be

What I mean by official is GOI or the State govt of J&K. Not papers and banks (that too located in 95% mullah valley). What I am trying to say is, problem does exist in the valley, but lets not make rants from sangh or venom from mullahs there as the norm.

So when you say "They recently named Anantnag as Islamabad", what matters is who you call as "They".

Organiser always call Ahmedabad as Karnavati, does it mean, the name has changed.

I think we can close the discussion unless you want to continue this, in that case please PM me.

Murali

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 01 Dec 2009 08:24

Lt Gen Marwah, a highly decorated officer of the Army, assumed the charge of the 15 Corps, also known as Chinar corps at a simple function at Badami Bagh Corp headquarters. An infantry officer of the Kumaon Regiment, Lt Gen Marwah has held various key positions in the Army. Before taking over as GoC 15 Corps, he was Additional Director General Military Operations prior to assuming command of Chinar Corps.

Daily Excelsior

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Dec 2009 19:48

China mum on reports that it stopped road construction in Jammu & Kashmir

BEIJING: The Chinese foreign ministry on Tuesday tried to avoid a direct reply on whether China had pressurized the state government of Jammu and Kashmir in India to stop construction of a road near the border area.

"China has a dispute with India on the border issue. The two sides should work together to ensure peace and stability in the border area until the pending dispute is resolved," Qin Gang, the foreign ministry spokesman said at the regular briefing.

J&K authorities recently said they had stopped construction of an eight-km road in the remote Demchok area of Buddhist-dominated Ladakh area near the Line of Actual Control after objections from the Chinese army.

The Chinese foreign ministry on Tuesday did not confirm or deny whether the Chinese army had raised objection.

The ministry had recently taken neutral approach to the dispute over Kashmir between India and Pakistan.
"The Kashmir issue is an issue between India and Pakistan left over by history. We hope the two sides could properly resolve the issue through dialogue and negotiations," Qin said on November 24 when he was asked to comment on a statement by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference, a major political group in India-controlled Kashmir.

Farooq had said that China has a stake in the region's peace soon after China and the United States
made a joint statement saying they supported efforts for improvement of relations between India and Pakistan.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Dec 2009 21:21

Seems our northerly brothers have issued a "normal" visa to prof Amitabh Matoo (former VC of Jammu Univ). Is this Dilli diplomacy of not accepting stapled visas paying off or is it that the Chinese MoFos are giving stapled visas to only people of a "certain religion" from J&K?

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Dec 2009 21:57

sum.. i will ask my good friend 'honest abdul' to visit china for 'jihadi conference' and we will know if indeed religion is the deciding factor !!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 Dec 2009 19:53

J&K autonomy dialog is happening.

People of Jammu and Ladakh need to speak up to protect their own autonomy.

It may be OK for the state to be given more autonomy provided that autonomy is devolved to the regions. Each region should have the option of becoming more integrated with the rest of India.

It may be good to have two regions in the Valley - North Kashmir Valley and South Kashmir Valley.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 03 Dec 2009 22:02

Why is GOI having dialogue now when it has maximum leverage

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Dec 2009 23:23

^^Sino-US pressure?

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 04 Dec 2009 18:05

Delhi treating APHC as London treated Muslim League

Hari Om
02 Dec 2009

The All-Party Hurriyat Conference (AHPC) of Mirwaiz Umar Farooq is no different from the Muslim League pre-1938. The only difference is that while the APHC has never contested polls fearing adverse results, the Muslim League did take the plunge, particularly in the 1937 provincial elections held under the Government of India Act, 1935, but only to suffer a humiliating defeat.

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New Delhi has now decided to allow him to go to China, despite the fact that Mirwaiz has publicly stated that Beijing has a stake in Jammu & Kashmir and that he would go to China to rake up the Kashmir issue and discuss the plight of Kashmiri Muslims. Foreign Secretary Nirupama Roy has said Mirwaiz would not be allowed to go to China in case the Chinese authorities give him a stapled visa, but that is neither here nor there.

The truth is New Delhi has adopted the unpopular Mirwaiz like London once adopted Jinnah, and given him full freedom to meet everyone who matters in the Delhi-based embassies, Washington, New York, London, Islamabad, to mention only a few places, and spoil the Indian pitch in Jammu & Kashmir. In other words, New Delhi has been desperately seeking to make common cause with the Mirwaiz, overlooking the fact that this helps the APHC chairman achieve his ultimate goal – another communal partition of India and emergence of Islamic State of Jammu & Kashmir.

New Delhi must recognize the grave implications of what it is doing, sooner rather than later. Not to revise its approach towards the Mirwaiz or to continue to flirt with him would not only provoke deadly explosions in Jammu & Kashmir, but would also ensure the country’s partition on communal lines – an eventuality which must be averted at any cost. Another partition would have disastrous results, such as riots across the country.

One hopes New Delhi will discard and neutralize the Jinnahs wherever they are and undertake definite measures to preserve the unity and integrity of India and promote democracy and secularism in the real sense of the terms.

http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayA ... spx?id=971

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Dec 2009 19:38

Top Hurriyat leader shot at in Srinagar

NDTV Correspondent, Friday December 4, 2009, Srinagar

A top leader of the moderate faction of the Hurriyat, Fazal Haq Qureshi, who's a key aide of Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, has been shot at in Srinagar. His condition is said to be critical.

Qureshi was the Hizbul Mujahideen's interlocutor who participated in the failed negotiations with New Delhi after the Hizbul ceasefire in 2000.

The attack comes days after reports of Mirwaiz holding talks with Centre.

Reacting to the attack on the Hurriyat leader, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has said that the attack is an attempt to derail peace process.

PTI adds:

Qureshi (65), considered as one of the moderate separatists, was shot in his head when he was coming out of the mosque in the downtown of the city, police said.

He was rushed to Soura Medical Institute where he was being operated upon, they said, adding his condition was stated by the doctors as "very very critical".

According to senior police officials, the attempt on the life of Qureshi was to "stall" the dialogue process between the Centre and the Hurriyat.

They said the separatist leader had refused security from the state government.

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/top_hurr ... inagar.php

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Dec 2009 11:17

Good info on the shot "leader/pig":

Link

NEW DELHI: Forty-five years ago, Fazal-ul-Haq Qureshi helped lay the foundations of the jihadist movement in Jammu and Kashmir.

In the years before an assassin’s bullet shattered his skull minutes after the secessionist politician left his local mosque on Friday— likely fired by a member of the Hizb ul-Mujahideen, which he helped found —Qureshi had transformed himself into a leading figure in the state’s search for peace.

Born in 1944 to a Srinagar cleric, Qureshi grew up in old-city Srinagar — the central site of the fierce contestation between Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah’s Left-influenced, pro-peasant National Conference and the Islamist-leaning urban petty-bourgeoisie which shaped post-independence Jammu and Kashmir politics.

Followers of Sheikh Abdullah — known as shers, or lions, after his favoured honorific, the Lion of Kashmir — often engaged in pitched street battles with supporters of the cleric Mirwaiz Mohammad Farooq.

Educated at Srinagar’s prestigious Amar Singh College, Qureshi was part of a generation for whom Sheikh Abdullah’s regime opened up access to education and economic opportunity. Qureshi was hired as a clerk by the Jammu and Kashmir Government, and later secured a job at the Secretariat. But, like many of his class, Qureshi felt politically disenfranchised by the new order.

In 1964, three members of the Students and Youth League laid the foundations of the jihadist movement in Jammu and Kashmir.

Mian Ghulam Sarwar’s organisation —which came to be known to Kashmir Police counter-intelligence detectives as the Master Cell — was primary intended to assist the insurgent groups who spearheaded Pakistan’s 1965 invasion of the state. During the war, its members threw grenades at police and burned down government buildings. In an interview to the author Pradeep Thakur, Qureshi said he raised funds “to support the mujahideen who had come from Pakistan”.

The Master Cell’s operatives were soon arrested. Then, in 1966, they were quietly released, in the first of a series of peace deals intended to bring about reconciliation with separatists.

Many did indeed make their peace with India —among them, Jammu and Kashmir’s former Deputy Chief Minister and People’s Democratic Party Muzaffar Beigh, former Inspector-General of Police Javed Mukhdoomi and the late National Conference patriarch Bashir Kitchloo.

But Qureshi’s time in jail did little to still his secessionist beliefs. In 1966, he joined a circle of secessionists who called themselves Students Revolutionary Council.

Led by the colourful Ghulam Rasool Zahgir — whose interrogation notes record that he was “carrying on with three different girls” at the time of the arrest — the group first drew attention in 1967 when it published a map of Jammu and Kashmir in red, proclaiming it an independent country.

That February, Zahgir’s group, calling itself al-Fatah, carried out the first of a series of armed operations — the murder of Border Security Force constable Charan Das on the Nawakadal Bridge in Srinagar.

“I travelled to every village and town in the valley”, Qureshi said, “recruiting boys to send them across the Line of Control for arms training”. By his account, more than 300 al-Fatah cadre received training in Pakistan.

Pir Ghulam Hassan Shah, the police officer who finally broke the al-Fatah network, was charged with rehabilitating its members. In 1975, most of its members were released from jail in return for supporting the peace deal between Sheikh Abdullah and Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.

Qureshi was part of a small group of al-Fatah operatives who rejected the deal. In 1980, though, he caved in and resigned his membership of the secessionist People’s League. Prosecutors dropped the criminal charges against him, and he was allowed to rejoin government service. “Long years of absence from employment,” he was later to explain, “had made a major detent on my financial status. With children to raise, I wanted to stay in the job”.

But in 1987, inflamed by electoral malpractices which denied the opposition Muslim United Front a share in power, Qureshi decided to form a new armed organisation. He was arrested in 1989, but his old friend Abdul Majid Dar went on to secure Pakistani support for the idea. Dar later co-founded the Tehrik-e-Jihad Islami, which in 1991 merged into the Hizb ul-Mujahideen.

Released from jail in 1992, Qureshi helped found the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, which started out as a 23-party alliance of secessionist groups.

By 1999, though, it was to clear to him —and other doves in the APHC, like Abdul Gani Lone — that the armed struggle had outlived its utility. In 2000, he played a key role in brokering a unilateral ceasefire by the Hizb ul-Mujahideen and the initiation of talks between Dar and representatives of the Government of India.

Pakistan, however, soon withdrew support from the ceasefire, fearing India would cut a deal with the Hizb ul-Mujahideen. Key APHC leaders had met with Dar, and agreed to endorse the ceasefire — but now refused to do so, fearful of reprisals from anti-ceasefire jihadists. Fifteen days after it went into force, Hizb ul-Mujahideen chief Mohammad Yusuf Shah withdrew the ceasefire.

In the years that followed, Qureshi watched as his allies in the peace effort were murdered one by one. Lone was shot dead in 2002, by a Lashkar-e-Taiba hit-squad. Dar was killed by Hizb ul-Mujahideen hardliners the following year; his wife is now confined to a wheelchair, as a consequence of a terrorist attack which left her crippled.

Notice the number of times we catch them and let them go..IIRC, this was a good metho to insert double agents

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 07 Dec 2009 04:27

J&K govt unveils plan to create half a million jobs

The Jammu and Kashmir government has unveiled a scheme, which envisages half a million jobs in the next five
years.

Called the Sher-e-Kashmir Employment and Welfare Programme for the Youth (Skewpy), it has several self-employment schemes, skill development/upgrading initiatives, state-sponsored schemes, filling up of vacancies in government and dole for educated unemployed.

“It is just a beginning,” chief minister Omar Abdullah said while announcing the scheme in Jammu. “It is open to suggestions and modifications that suit the youth.”

He said his government was considering levying a tax to fund the scheme that will require around Rs 300 crore a year.
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Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 07 Dec 2009 07:47

Kashmir coming out of conflict trauma Altaf Hussain, BBC News

Excerpts -

Psychiatrists in Indian-administered Kashmir say there has been a sharp decline in the number of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) cases, thanks to an improvement in the security situation.

According to official statistics, the annual number of violent incidents in the state went up to nearly 6,000 during the peak of insurgency. It is down to a mere 400 this year.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Dec 2009 10:31

Trying to think outside the box...
I wonder why can't we split up J&K into few of states for efficiency. To allay fear of certain sections of the polity about communal division,
Let the newly formed states retain Article-370 and we split all of them to be seem as fair. We can have 2 states of Kashmir, 2 states of Jammu's and One Ladakh as UT to start with.
What could be the downside of this proposal ?
I understand that maybe that would dilute our position on POK in someway but in any case PoK would not land up in our lap after discussions. It would be a bloody snatch from decaying Pakistan and then we can PoK can be integrated into the union first as UT and later as a separate state.

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Dec 2009 10:43

Appeasing APHC is a chanakian ploy as we have been told on this board , something on the lines of INC courting ML and Jinnah .

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 09 Dec 2009 21:04

J&K registers 34.73 per cent increase in VAT collections.

Jammu and Kashmir has registered a 34.73 per cent increase in Value Added Tax collections by the end of October, 2009, over the mop-up in the same period last year.

"The Value Added Tax (VAT) collections in Jammu division have registered a stupendous increase of 34.73 per cent by ending October 2009 over the VAT collections of the corresponding period of the previous year," finance minister AR Rather said here.

He said that General Sales Tax had grown by 26.59 per cent whereas the collections under Passenger Tax registered a rise of 21.57 per cent and Motor Spirit 19.71 per cent by October-end.

As against a cumulative tax collection of Rs 80394.75 lakh by October-end of 2008, the tax collections by the end of this October had gone up to Rs 95340.676 lakh, registering an overall growth of 18.59 per cent.

The minister reviewed the performance of the commercial taxes department and asked officials to put in extra efforts so that the revenue targets fixed for 2009-10 are not only achieved but surpassed.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 12 Dec 2009 22:51

I was framed by Hurriyat: Zamrooda

http://www.risingkashmir.com/?option=co ... w&id=19063

Rising Kashmir News
Srinagar, Dec 12: Alleging that her arrest was facilitated by Hurriyat Conference, chairperson of Muslim Khawateen Markaz, Zamrooda Habib Saturday said nobody came to her rescue when she was detained in Tihar jail.

Zamrooda was speaking after her book ‘Qaidi No. 100’ was released at a function in a local hotel here.
“My arrest in New Delhi was facilitated by Hurriyat Conference. I was left in the middle of nowhere,” she said.

Referring to the meetings of her family members with Hurriyat leadership, Zamrooda said, “My family approached the then Hurriyat chairman Prof Abdul Gani Bhat for help. Bhat avoided them by saying that I am a brave woman and will come out on my own after five years.”

My family members also met Abbas Ansari. “He had behaved as if I was involved in some sort of sex scandal,” she said.

Malik also praised the effort of Zamrooda for penning down the jail ordeal and added, “JKLF offered Zamrooda help when she was arrested.”
However, Zamrooda immediately retorted back saying, “Whatever Malik is saying is not right.”

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Dec 2009 08:56

A Press Trust report says that , " BSF foils infiltration bid along Indo-Pak border
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/
JAMMU: The Border Security Force today foiled an infiltration bid by suspected militants along Indo-Pak border in Samba district.

A group of suspected militants were seen moving near the International Border (IB) in Ballard border out post (BoP) area in Ramgarh sub-sector, 50 kms from here, around 1.30 am, police said.

As the BSF patrol party picked up the movement, they started firing at them, police said, adding the BSP fired in retaliation.

However, suspected militants managed to escape.

The troops of 59 BSF battalion have launched a search operation to track them, they said. (PTI)"

It appears that the Pak Army is not serious about any cease fire and is only exploring opportunities to push armed terror mongers next door

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 14 Dec 2009 09:03

i wonder if the term mannged to escape means they met their 72 or really escaped

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Dec 2009 09:15

Ananya wrote:i wonder if the term mannged to escape means they met their 72 or really escaped

very difficult to say. keep your fingers crossed for the next few days. last time they planted an ied that claimed the life of an unlucky DIG of the BSF. Once Some years ago the so called militants infiltrated and thereafter attacked the Kaluchak cantonment. the gist is one really is unsure of how successful has been the border security in repelling these pakis in the avatar of, "non state actors"

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 14 Dec 2009 18:09

CBI rules out rape, murder in Shopian case, files chargesheet against 13 Hindustan Times, Dec 14, 2010

CBI did not find anything to suggest that four police officials including the then Superintendent of Police Javed Iqbal Mattoo, Deputy Superintendent of Police Rohit Basgotra, SHO Shafiq Ahmed and Sub Inspector Gazi Karim were involved in the crime.

Widespread protests were held in Shopian district after recovery of two bodies of women -- 22-year-old Neelofar and her 17-year-old sister-in-law Asiya. The protestors were claiming rape and murder of the two women by securitymen.

The rape theory of the doctors was blown to pieces after the exhumation of the two bodies from the grave by the CBI and team of doctors from AIIMS, who had claimed during post-mortem that one of the victim – Asiya – was a virgin, they said.

From another report -
CBI's Shopian report not 'gospel truth': Court

The CBI has finally submitted its report on the Shopian rape and murder case, but a skeptical Jammu and Kashmir High court says it "cannot be taken as the gospel truth."

The on-the-spot examination was done by doctors from AIIMS, the results were shared with the Mushawarat Majlis-e-Committee, the group that had led the protests in Shopian after the bodies were discovered.

conclusion is based on a forensic report from the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS), which says that soil and water were found in the two women's lungs and other organs.
Doctors have reportedly concluded that if the women were murdered, and then thrown into the river, their bodies would have got airlocked, preventing soil and other river material from entering their organs.

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Dec 2009 22:21

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Several-m ... 86333.aspx
this news item was interesting and topical. what i do not understand is the cause of the fire.
was it accidental or set on purpose.
if the latter were the case could the enemy use it for infiltrating personnel trained to move in adverse weather conditions and who could cause trouble later