Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 Nov 2009 22:35

Brando wrote:They dont seem to have any other equipment other than their rifles! I thought that the state was going to fully equip them with all the equipment. I hope they are better equipped than what these pictures show.

Also, why are they wearing a maroon beret ? Isn't that exclusively for those who graduate the Indian Army's Commando school ? A police unit shouldn't sport that beret.

Maroon berets the world over, with few exceptions, is the symbol of a Paratrooper. Men who qualify as paratrooper are authorized to wear the maronn berets. Apart from Para and Para(SF), para qualified men in services also wear them. IIRC, men from Infantry Units/Combat Arms who are para qualified, wear their regimental beret but do sport the Para wings on their chest.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 24 Nov 2009 23:23

My building Gurkha wears a maroon beret and also carries a khukri

Damn silly fellow

no one told him that only certain fellows can wear the maroon beret.

Maybe he is marcos

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 24 Nov 2009 23:43

^^^ Havent seen any Gurkhas in IN - leave alone marcos

Ask him which unit he served in (if he did service in IA or AR).

rajeshks · Post by **rajeshks** » 24 Nov 2009 23:59

Avinash R wrote:Commandos of Maharashtra state's newly formed elite special commando force, "Force One" display their skills during their inauguration ceremony in Mumbai, India, Tuesday, Nov. 24, 2009.

The elite force was formed for the security of the state on the lines of National Security Guards in the wake of last year's terror attacks.

Good to see that mumbai police turnedaround in 1 year time after 26/11.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 25 Nov 2009 00:04

rajeshks wrote:Good to see that mumbai police turnedaround in 1 year time after 26/11.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.

What kind of refinement are you referring to? Is it equipment or tactics or both?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 00:05

rajeshks wrote:.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.

errr...in what way? And how could make out from just 5 pics?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 25 Nov 2009 00:06

Avinash R wrote:Commandos of Maharashtra state's newly formed elite special commando force, "Force One" display their skills during their inauguration ceremony in Mumbai, India, Tuesday, Nov. 24, 2009.

The elite force was formed for the security of the state on the lines of National Security Guards in the wake of last year's terror attacks.
...

The maharahstra police seem to have had fun shopping for weapons. I can see the MP-5N, MP-5K, MP-5SD and the M4. Probably the only force using M4s in India AFAIK. Nice to see that their BPJs cover the neck area as well. Now if they could only throw in a helmet...

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 00:53

^^ Aren't MP-5N and MP5K the same?

And they should also throw in some elbow, knee joint guards, gloves and a good communications set.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 25 Nov 2009 01:02

Dmurphy wrote:^^ Aren't MP-5N and MP5K the same?

And they should also throw in some elbow, knee joint guards, gloves and a good communications set.

Well it looks to me like they have knee guards though. Check the third from left in the first picture. His left knee is bent and you can see a flat oval profile at the knee. That looks like a knee guard to me.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 25 Nov 2009 01:24

shameekg wrote:
rajeshks wrote:Good to see that mumbai police turnedaround in 1 year time after 26/11.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.
What kind of refinement are you referring to?

I think he is referring to face paint..

Black stripes are so last fall! Why can't they just move to a "Yellow-Black Tiger Stripe" pattern and do some "Tiger Dance - southie shtyle" while at it!! Damn fools.

Check this special ops video to see what I mean
South Indian Special Weapons and Tactics

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Nov 2009 01:55

i would hope that the force one guys will be overkill for bhailoge, but with fidayeenloge they should act as the fixing force until NSG arrives and then hold the inner perimeter. outer perimeter mumbai polis, and media wallahs kept atleast 1km away. enough of satyameva jayate

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 25 Nov 2009 02:40

Dmurphy wrote:^^ Aren't MP-5N and MP5K the same?

MP-5N (originally developed for the US Navy (hence the "N")

MP-5A2...generally used by police forces around the world.

MP-5K

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 25 Nov 2009 02:55

the knee pads are built inside their clothes.. Finally something done the right way..
By the way from a post in the different section, there is an article that 4 "force one commandos" fainted after standing in for couple of hours.. Not sure someone can FAINT for standing for 2/4 hrs.. because a lot of people work 8-10 hrs on their feet.. I think it might due to heat exhaustion or probably something they all ate (food poisoning?)

karthik · Post by **karthik** » 25 Nov 2009 03:06

ssmitra wrote:http://i36.tinypic.com/35mmcuh.jpg

American Soldier: O look a burger!!

Indian Soldier: huhh?

lol..

rajeshks · Post by **rajeshks** » 25 Nov 2009 03:47

Dmurphy wrote:
rajeshks wrote:.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.
errr...in what way? And how could make out from just 5 pics?

They lack the sharpness or the killer looks of NSG/Marcos. Guys in NSG gain that through their tough training and the high standards they have to maintain to continue with the team. These guys looks more like ordinary policemen trained in special activites(which is true). Ofcourse are also well trained and will gain the sharpness in sometime thats why i said they need refinement. This is my personal opinion and i accept that looks may be deceiving.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 25 Nov 2009 04:53

rajeshks wrote:.. but the above photos shows that there is lot of room for refinement.

rajeshks wrote: They lack the sharpness or the killer looks of NSG/Marcos. Guys in NSG gain that through their tough training and the high standards they have to maintain to continue with the team. These guys looks more like ordinary policemen trained in special activites(which is true). Ofcourse are also well trained and will gain the sharpness in sometime thats why i said they need refinement. This is my personal opinion and i accept that looks may be deceiving.

Going by the report of fainting, one would begin to doubt their physical fitness.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 265693.cms
But your theory of "killer looks" is, well.....

.
If you are one to go by looks (whatever that may mean), I guess you would not have much opinion of IA PARA? I guess even they look like ordinary SDRE armymen trained in special activities? Yeah, we should all aim to be Chinese clowns on segways, shouldn't we.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Nov 2009 05:03

Lets not read too much into the fainting incident - it can happen to anybody regardless of fitness levels. Otherwise going by that statistic, most US soldiers (incld. some of their SF) who have been coming to India for training and jt. exercises would be classified as weaklings

The knee pads inside the pants - dunno if it is a hindrance to movement or not (plus it will chafe with the skin and sweat will cause even more discomfort). Force1 has been shopping though - lets hope this continues and is not just some babu-giri stunt which will last as long as the validity of the next Paki claim of "OBL is not in Pak".

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 25 Nov 2009 09:28

what prevents force1 from being tasked with VIP protection? that would be a waste.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 09:39

rajeshks wrote:They lack the sharpness or the killer looks of NSG/Marcos.

Rajeshbhai, with due respect to you and the NSGs, show me one pic where the NSGs look "smart" or atleast smarter and fitter than the Force 1 guys and I can show you 10 pics where they look over aged and out of shape. I've attracted many brick bats for that here on BRF for claiming this, but the fact remains.

nachiket wrote:MP-5N (originally developed for the US Navy (hence the "N")

You may right on that count, but AFAIK, the Force 1 was equipped with only 3 forms of MP5 - A2, K & SD4. And i think what you're referring to here as MP5N is infact MP5 SD4.
A simple google image search will yield this - identical to what these guys are holding here.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Nov 2009 10:10

DMurphy,
If you do have some pics which show NSG looking "un-sharp", please post them here (just curious, thats all

).

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 11:34

Raja Bose wrote:DMurphy,
If you do have some pics which show NSG looking "un-sharp", please post them here (just curious, thats all ).

Oh god, here it comes

OK...whats your email id...i'll mail you the same!

For starters: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 00#p772100

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Nov 2009 12:07

^^ No no..post them here - everybody must be able to share. And as for the pic you linked to above, who is looking 'unfit and old' (please also post your definition/standards for judging fitness, I am interested)?

anand_sankar · Post by **anand_sankar** » 25 Nov 2009 12:23

Some rare pics of Indian troops on UN duty. This is from MONUC in the DR Congo. This was on the BBC. The story says the UN mission to Congo has failed and has an accompanying slideshow. Link to the original slideshow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8353133.stm

koti · Post by **koti** » 25 Nov 2009 12:29

Though the Jawans have BPJs where are the backpacks or the ammo belts??
That is ridiculously low ammo being carried by each Jawan(apparently).

jahaju · Post by **jahaju** » 25 Nov 2009 12:33

ssmitra wrote:http://i36.tinypic.com/35mmcuh.jpg

What is the weapon being being used by IA Soldier. Is it a sniper rifle? The Magazine looks to be quite small.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 12:34

Raja Bose wrote:^^ No no..post them here - everybody must be able to share. And as for the pic you linked to above, who is looking 'unfit and old' (please also post your definition/standards for judging fitness, I am interested)?

OK. If you ask for it. In the above pic, the guy in the middle looks OLD. Lets accept it, he looks about 50.

Look sir, I have the deepest respect for NSG and all our armed forces. I consider their valour and sacrfice unmatched world over. But I just hate it when one simply refuses to see the obvious in the name of being patriotic and supportive of our troops.

Here's one :

^^
To me, he looks worn out and weak!

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr28 ... 779xk0.jpg

The second commando from the left looks overweight and definitely not sharp. Don't say the paunch is because of the BPJ. There are others around him, all wearing BPJs and yet not having a paunch.

I recall my rants as a reply to someone saying the Force one commandos not looking as sharp as the NSGs. Compare the above pics to the Force One pics and tell me where they look "sharper" than the Force One commandos.

You're free to hate me for saying all this. But it bothers me sir. Blame it on my lack of knowledge or my 'immaturity' as some would term it. But I'm entitled to my views.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 25 Nov 2009 12:49

jahaju,
The IA officer is using m4. The american soldier is using INSAS LMG.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 25 Nov 2009 12:56

Dmurphy,
And as for the para nsg you mention as old.
You are right. But did you consider that all jobs do not require youth.
Maybe he is used as a sniper.
Now don't say that he looks too old to do even that. Though he is aged, he looks remarkbly fit to me, don't you agree?
Anyway, I think this line of discussion will not end well. So may I suggest to end this here?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 13:28

^^
Assuming his vision hasn't caught up with his age and the MP5 hanging around his torso is for drill purposes only, he could be a sniper alright.

And yeah, I agree such discussions rarely end well. Hence I preferred sending RB the images, via email. I'm OK with being done with it.

My whines were always vis-a-vis Force One personnel being labelled as 'unsharp' and "un killer looks like" in pics posted earlier and never meant to denigrate NSGs.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 25 Nov 2009 18:02

Dmurphy... do you want all of them to look like van damme ?? !!

plus you have to consider this photo is most probably post ops... lack of sleep, stress all shows up. same chaps rested, shaved, uniformed will look much better

))...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Nov 2009 18:38

jahaju wrote:
ssmitra wrote:http://i36.tinypic.com/35mmcuh.jpg
What is the weapon being being used by IA Soldier. Is it a sniper rifle? The Magazine looks to be quite small.

not a case of small magazine. simply a case of no magazine.

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 25 Nov 2009 18:46

The pictures you are referring to are from the Taj post the completion of the operations. Sir Dmurphy with due respect will you be in any better shape after running a Urban Anti Terror Operation for 72+ Hours straight. My guess is that a average BRFite will not be able to sustain a continuous desk job for 48 hours without a break. Folks from Special forces are Humans at the end of the day and yes they also have to face fatigue.

For once can you post a photo of yours after staying awake for 72 Hours straight. No breaks allowed and be truthful to yourself, not us.

Admin: Apologies if I crossed any BRF boundaries of political correctness.

Dmurphy wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:^^ No no..post them here - everybody must be able to share. And as for the pic you linked to above, who is looking 'unfit and old' (please also post your definition/standards for judging fitness, I am interested)?
OK. If you ask for it. In the above pic, the guy in the middle looks OLD. Lets accept it, he looks about 50.

Look sir, I have the deepest respect for NSG and all our armed forces. I consider their valour and sacrfice unmatched world over. But I just hate it when one simply refuses to see the obvious in the name of being patriotic and supportive of our troops.

The second commando from the left looks overweight and definitely not sharp. Don't say the paunch is because of the BPJ. There are others around him, all wearing BPJs and yet not having a paunch.

I recall my rants as a reply to someone saying the Force one commandos not looking as sharp as the NSGs. Compare the above pics to the Force One pics and tell me where they look "sharper" than the Force One commandos.

You're free to hate me for saying all this. But it bothers me sir. Blame it on my lack of knowledge or my 'immaturity' as some would term it. But I'm entitled to my views.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Nov 2009 19:00

chill guys, this is no big deal. may be due to murphy sahab's crusade NSG will become more image conscious and will (finally) trade those scooter helmets for something more trendy !

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Nov 2009 20:02

Dmurphy wrote: http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr28 ... 779xk0.jpg

The second commando from the left looks overweight and definitely not sharp. Don't say the paunch is because of the BPJ. There are others around him, all wearing BPJs and yet not having a paunch.

Look carefully. He does not even have a thumb on his left hand. It is quite pathetic isn't it?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 20:52

Manjgu, Rahul: Alright, go ahead and make fun of me!

Pushkar: You're right about the 'fatigued' part. Though I don't quite think the NSGs didn't get a wink of sleep in 72 hours, they were stretched to their limits alright.

Shiv: Right you are as always. Why don't you use some of your surgical skills and fix him up with a prosthetic one?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Nov 2009 21:03

Dmurphy wrote: Shiv: Right you are as always. Why don't you use some of your surgical skills and fix him up with a prosthetic one?

Well I could use your help in seeing and measuring areas that are invisible as a first step.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 25 Nov 2009 21:05

Dmurphy wrote:Manjgu, Rahul: Alright, go ahead and make fun of me!

Pushkar: You're right about the 'fatigued' part. Though I don't quite think the NSGs didn't get a wink of sleep in 72 hours, they were stretched to their limits alright.

Shiv: Right you are as always. Why don't you use some of your surgical skills and fix him up with a prosthetic one?

Even if they has sone sleep like you say, I dont think anybody will be fresh even after 8 hours of work of that kind. we wont be fresh even after 8 hrs of paper work with break time.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Nov 2009 21:07

shiv wrote:
Dmurphy wrote: http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr28 ... 779xk0.jpg

The second commando from the left looks overweight and definitely not sharp. Don't say the paunch is because of the BPJ. There are others around him, all wearing BPJs and yet not having a paunch.
Look carefully. He does not even have a thumb on his left hand. It is quite pathetic isn't it?

tomorrow's headline in dawn : "Indian Army employs handicapped people"

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 25 Nov 2009 21:09

Kakarat, Shiv, chill man! Will this ever stop?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 25 Nov 2009 21:16

Guys, Anyone have any photos of the good old Shaktimaan trucks with you??? Its been a long time since i've seen them on the roads..