The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Nov 2009 22:48

When someone is on high octane outburst, it is expected that there is some rationale behind such an outburst. If he has one definitely he could have said something about that. He seems to be drama artist. He can only tell what he was taught or what he was prepared to talk over and over again. In that sense, it is a googly from PC, putting an end to his emotional gibberish. It is not that he is only one who was affected by the tragedy. It is more drama-ish to see the same person in every show featuring mumbai 26/11.

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Nov 2009 22:53

^ Kanson the said victim did ask a valid question at the end of the day which deserved a meaningful answer and probably would have been given had there been something 'good/positive' to tell. Asking a question like 'What would you have done had you been in my place' is the most stupid and kiddish way to abruptly end a meaningful discussion , hell I would say first let me be in your place and then I shall talk.

If snubbing people and winning arguments is what talk shows are about then yes HM did a wonderful job , but then I used to think a HM has more important things to do and he was there on the show to 'answer' questions.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Nov 2009 22:58

hell I would say first let me be in your place and then I shall talk

May be you can explain what will be an meaningful answer you can give if you are in his place.

If snubbing people and winning arguments is what talk shows

Think about it, it is what Burkha was doing right from the beginning na ?

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Nov 2009 23:01

I answered that already.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Nov 2009 23:07

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 26 Nov 2009 23:46

Why do people take seriously these talk shows hosted by unscrupulous people like burkha?

Most of the talking is done by her on the show instead of the usual method of allowing invited guests to present their views and the host keeping his/her mouth shut.

But kuch hatke burkha opens her big mouth and spits out whatever comes to her mind.

In one of her infamous video she calls gujarati's effette. Burkha had predicted the result of gujarat assembly elections but since it didnt turn out that way, she vented her fury on the whole gujarati community.

This is the level of her talk show, cheap and flithy.

And usually a few minders are placed in the audience who start clapping whenever burkha makes some point. The rest of the audience on cue starts clapping and burkha is happy that the studio audience supports her.

Chidu is too smart to be manipulated by people like these, i guess burkha wanted chidu to give some controversial statements so that she could create some tamasha and increase her channel's TRPs. Good to see her fail in a big way.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 26 Nov 2009 23:50

Avinash R wrote:Why do people take seriously these talk shows hosted by unscrupulous people like burkha?

Most of the talking is done by her on the show instead of the usual method of allowing invited guests to present their views and the host keeping his/her mouth shut.

But kuch hatke burkha opens her big mouth and spits out whatever comes to her mind.

In one of her infamous video she calls gujarati's effette. Burkha had predicted the result of gujarat assembly elections but since it didnt turn out that way, she vented her fury on the whole gujarati community.

This is the level of her talk show, cheap and flithy.

And usually a few minders are placed in the audience who start clapping whenever burkha makes some point. The rest of the audience on cue starts clapping and burkha is happy that the studio audience supports her.

Chidu is too smart to be manipulated by people like these, i guess burkha wanted chidu to give some controversial statements so that she could create some tamasha and increase her channel's TRPs. Good to see her fail in a big way.

She talks much less than Sagarika Ghosh though... Sagarika is Blah.... the woman is so harsh and simply won't shut the eff up and let the person talk..

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Nov 2009 02:37

This is interesting

Is Headley an American agent who turned rogue?

During his interactions in India, Headley frequently introduced himself as a CIA agent. But suspicions that he's a rogue agent stem more from the just-released information that Headley, a man with one green and one brown eye, could straddle America and Pakistan with ease despite a run-in with the law in the US.

A recent profile in the New York Times said that in 1998, Headley (then known as Daood Gilani) was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into US from Pakistan. ``Court records show that after his arrest, he provided so much information about his own involvement with drug trafficking which stretched back more than a decade and about his Pakistani suppliers that he was sentenced to less than two years in jail and later went to Pakistan to conduct undercover surveillance operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)," the NYT report said.

This suggests that Headley had a deal with authorities in the US who allowed him to get away with mild punishment in exchange for a promise of cooperation.

To many here, that also implies that he was a known entity to the counter-terror and drug enforcement authorities in the US. After 9/11, the walls between these agencies had come down because of the links between drugs and terrorism, particularly in the context of Pakistan-Afghanistan where there is a huge overlap between the functions of the DEA and CIA. Surprisingly, the FBI affidavit against Headley doesn't mention his tryst with the DEA.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Nov 2009 06:25

Headley chase: Hunt on for mystery woman
"The call records of Headley suggests he was in touch with a number of women in India. However, he was particularly contacted by this woman whenever he came to Delhi," said a source.

The woman is also reported to be active in arranging for hideouts in Bangladesh, Pakistan and a few other countries for Raza. "The woman is from Kolkata, but later shifted to New Delhi. This shows that along with Riyaz Bhatkal, Headley knew about each IM operative carrying out terror operations from Indian soil," a police source said.

According to NIA sources, Raza had formed the Asif Raza Commando Force (ARCF) that carried out the shooting outside the American Centre at Kolkata in 2002. After Kolkata Police arrested its local operatives, Asif Raza (Amir's brother) was killed in an encounter in Rajkot by the Gujarat police. Raza then fled to Dubai and is believed to be in constant touch with LeT bosses based in PoK and Karachi.

"The fact that Tahawwur Hussain Rana and his wife came to India from Dubai and interviewed 'candidates' at Ahmedabad and Kochi and again went back there on November 2008 shows that Headley and Rana used bases outside the subcontinent to stay in touch," added the source.

NIA sleuths will soon leave for Kolkata to pick up leads there. "A team might visit Dubai too," said the officer. "We have established that Headley and Tahawwur were in touch with the same Pakistani-based 'handlers' who gave directions to the 10 terrorists who attacked Mumbai on 26/11. We are now investigating how he had corresponded with Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and Zarar Shah (presently in Pakistan's custody) and other masterminds who carried out the audacious Mumbai attacks," said an investigating officer.

According to sources, Headley acted as the "interlocutor" between the "bosses" in Pakistan and their foot soldiers in India. "PoK-based Lashkar commander Abu Alkama told Amir Raja Khan to 'strengthen' the Indian Mujahideen. Amir was previously involved in the American Centre attack at Kolkata in 2002. Investigators believe that Raja, in turn, turned to his aide Riyaz Bhatkal to sponsor the terror chain," said the source.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 27 Nov 2009 19:37

Is Headley distantly related to Pak PM?

New Delhi, Nov 27 (PTI) As investigators dig deep into the antecedents of terror suspect David Headley alias Daood Gilani, indications have emerged that he may be distantly related to Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Sources close to the investigation said that Headley's father Sayed Salim Gilani, a Pakistani diplomat and former Director General of Radio Pakistan, traced his ancestry to the same Gilani family to which the prime minister belongs.

Daood Gilani, who changed his name to David Coleman Headley three years back, was arrested by FBI in Chicago last month for allegedly plotting terror attacks in India along with a Canadian-Pakistani Tahawwur Rana.

Headley's step brother Danyal Gilani was working in the office of Pakistan Prime Minister as his Public Relations Officer (PRO), the sources said.

IMHO It sounds a bit of an over reach!

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 27 Nov 2009 19:39

Headley struck rapport with businessmen, diplomats over golf

PTI
Mumbai, November 27, 2009
US terror suspect David Headley arrested by the FBI for allegedly plotting terror attacks in India used to visit a golf course here frequented by western diplomats and businessmen and is believed to have struck a rapport with them.

According to sources in Mumbai who are privy to the investigations, the 48-year-old American national arrested from Chicago airport and currently in FBI custody often spent hours with his new found friends at the Golf course.

Some of the witnesses, whose statements were recorded by National Investigating Agency probing the stay of Headley and his accomplice Tahawwur Rana in India, told investigators the US national had long chats in the club with Western diplomats. Headley also attempted to learn golf basics.

Headley had purchased a golf set ostensibly to pick up the elite sport but authorities now believe that this was perhaps a camouflage in an attempt to get to know diplomats and business personalities who frequented the club, the sources said.

Headley, earlier known as Daood Gilani and who changed his name in 2006 to avoid any suspicion, was sucessful in getting friendly with some of the diplomats, the sources added.

Pictures of him with some diplomats were also taken, the sources said, adding a copy of which has been kept by the investigators for further probe.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 27 Nov 2009 19:49

In reference to story about Headley hobnobbing with some diplomats at golf course! He got to be an undercover operative, if not continuing least in recent past ,to be able to mix with diplomats and using it to gain access which otherwise would be very hard to imagine.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Nov 2009 00:48

headley strikes me as one of those fixers and organisers that work for al-q, easily able to blend in to the 'international mileau'. they may have been watching him for a long time, the question is, why did they pull the plug now? and why this huge media frenzy in india to find a link? 'mein bhi headley' album coming out from baba sehgal soon?

Jitendra · Post by **Jitendra** » 28 Nov 2009 04:07

very well conducted interview. I have not watched Chidambaram speak before and am happy to see he is calm and well put together.

On the individual questions raised by the audience, they were all tough and difficult to answer with exactitudes or yes/no. Given that PC did a good job.

On the disturbed looking guy (who was a Taj attack victim) I actually couldn't figure out what his question was. He was making statements but there was no question I could discern.

Finally, the interviewer (Barkha) seemed to be trying to be tough which I think is ok - guys like Chidambaram should be able to handle toughness and fortunately he was able to with nary a wrinkle.

Some of the questions may have been planted, but so what.

Overall I was impressed an happy about the minister, the audience as well as the interviewer.

Interviews such as these are great tools of communication and not solutioning sessions.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Nov 2009 06:11

Is David Headley's brother Pak PM Gilani's PRO?

And Paki nuke keys have just been handed over to Headleys relative..not a murmer.

R Vaidya · Post by **R Vaidya** » 28 Nov 2009 12:41

I think the title of this thread can be changed from --Curious case of-- to --Serious case of-- the way things have developed--

R Vaidya

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Nov 2009 13:30

News channels reporting that American NSA has confirmed that India will not be given access to either Headley or Rana due to "legal hassles"

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Daal mein bahut kuch kaala hain.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 28 Nov 2009 19:28

PM Gilani's PRO acknowledges Headley is his half-brother

PTI 28 November 2009, 07:11pm IST

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's public relations officer has acknowledged that David Coleman Headley, a terror suspect detained in the US, is his half-brother but dismissed as incorrect reports that his family is related to the premier.
Public relations officer Danyal Gilani said in a statement that Indian media reports "trying to establish a relationship between Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and the family of detained US terror suspect and my half-brother, Daood Gilani alias David Coleman Headley, is "incorrect, misplaced and totally baseless".

The report is based on speculation and is intended to create "unnecessary hype", Danyal Gilani said.
He said his ancestors migrated to Pakistan from Jastarwal in India's Punjab state and Etawah in Uttar Pradesh while the premier's family has been living in Multan "for centuries" and the two families "have no relationship with each other".

Danyal Gilani also acknowledged that the Prime Minister had issued a condolence message on his father Syed Saleem Gilani's death in December last year and visited his house to offer condolences.

"This he did out of courtesy because I was working as his PRO and also because my father was a renowned broadcaster and a known personality of his time. At that time Daood (Gilani) was not in Pakistan," he said.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 28 Nov 2009 22:40

News channels reporting that American NSA has confirmed that India will not be given access to either Headley or Rana due to "legal hassles" .

Daal mein bahut kuch kaala hain.

My suspicion is that Headley is a double agent, working for both CIA and ISI.

By preventing India from accessing the man, US is unnecessarily creating doubt about its sincerity towards the intelligence partnership with India. We should end or suspend operations with them. Who knows how much information they share with the Pakis.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2009 00:11

abhischekcc wrote:
My suspicion is that Headley is a double agent, working for both CIA and ISI.

This may be right. Uncle agencies usually monitor all plots against other countries. They have a handle on most regions and Pak is a prime region. All Pak Americans are in some sort of watch and any contact to Pakistan especially to Pak military is a suspect.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 29 Nov 2009 00:47

I was initially suspicious about the lack of access but I'm not sure if there is a conspiracy here by Unkil.

Legally, until you are charged with an offence, any person held by law enforcement - US citizen or otherwise - cannot be interrogated by foreigners. That said, there are always loopholes, but what I'm hearing is that Indian officials are quite satisfied with the information access so far - after the initial hiccup.

I'm under no illusion that for Unkil, the priority has always been (1) Attacks on US homeland (2) Attacks on US facilities overseas (3) Attacks on Western nations and (4) Attacks on non-Western "allies", e.g. India

I'm also sure that pressure from top levels has caused FBI to withhold details of names of ISI/TSPA bigwigs involved with this LeT terror cell. Journalists and insiders I'm usually in touch with are saying that the TSPA involvement is so serious that even usual sources of "leaks" are afraid to name people or give details. This is quite similar to the secret nature of TSPA involvement with the Australia-Willie Brigitte case.

Just going by the writings of recently retired US FBI, CIA and military people dealing with counter terrorism - they are almost always virulently anti-TSP and really seething. Except for CIA types posted in Islamabad, US officialdom is slowly changing from its Cold War ideology.

As long as we handle our end of the investigations right, we can keep getting more benefit from Unkil's cooperation.

BTW, we cannot keep waiting for Unkil to call out TSPA/ISI. That's only going to happen if there is another 9/11 or a London type attack.

However, we need to keep the pressure by suspending this so called dialogue and keeping up the pressure. If and when another attack happens, we need to call TSPA's bluff and force Unkil to make that call.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 29 Nov 2009 00:53

BTW, I'd expect another facet of Headley/Rana and TSPA links to be revealed by the NY Times by tomorrow...

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2009 09:20

sum wrote:News channels reporting that American NSA has confirmed that India will not be given access to either Headley or Rana due to "legal hassles" .

Daal mein bahut kuch kaala hain.

The pronouncements of this American NSA of Obama's, General Jim "Kool Aid" Jones, need to be observed more carefully.

He is the Al-Quolin Bin Powell of today... along with Biden, he is the one arguing most fiercely for a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan and a "focus on Al-Qaeda alone" (i.e. paying out billions to the TSPA and outsourcing Afgh. to the ISI while happily accepting an endless succession of "#3 keedas" delivered by Slumbad as evidence of "Pakistani cooperation against terrorism").

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 29 Nov 2009 15:38

India to get details about of Headley-Rana fom FBI

STAFF WRITER 13:52 HRS IST

Ajay Kaul

On Board PM's Special Aircraft, Nov 29 (PTI) India is expected to get information about the plans and network of LeT operatives David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Rana next week when a high-level FBI team visits New Delhi with "all details" of their probe.

National Security Adviser M K Narayanan said US President Barack Obama has told Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that he was seized of the case related to Headley and Rana, who were arrested by the FBI on the charges of plotting attacks in India at the behest of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Obama told Singh during their meeting on Tuesday that he would be sending a high-level FBI team to India within a week with "all details", Narayanan told journalists accompanying the Prime Minister on return home from two-nation tour of US and Trinidad and Tobago.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 30 Nov 2009 02:21

Just thought that I will list out all the Businesses/Connections that I have managed to dig out over last few weeks on Tahawwur Rana and his various businesses In Chicago Area. Will also keep adding more information as they become available.

(1)

First World Immigration Services Inc.
70 W. Madison, Suite 650,
Chicago, IL 60602
Phone #: (773) 338-9934
Fax #: (773) 338-9931

Reference : Find Pakistani Businesses in Chicago
This is the only one reference I have managed to find on the address which is very posh high rise building with many law firms in it. The current occupant of the address, a divorce specialty law firm, seems not to have any paki connections. PASULKA & WHITE, LLC

PASULKA & WHITE, LLC, Three First National Plaza , 70 West Madison St. Suite. 650 , Chicago , IL 60602-4286

Google map location

(2)

Raymond J. Sanders & Associates
2809 W. Devon Avenue,
Chicago, IL 60659
Phone #: (773) 761-0090
Fax #: (773) 761-4842

Reference : Find Pakistani Businesses in Chicago
Is reported to be rana's partner/tenant at his office and runs his immigration law practice from same address as of rana's other businesses. He is the guy who provided reference letters for Rana's Indian visa application as reported earlier.
Raymond J Sanders Associates
Google Map showing the location

(3)

Chicago Grocers
2122 West Devon,
Chicago, IL 60659-2106
Contact No: (773) 338-9933

Reference : Chicago Grocers is a Zabiha Halal Meat grocery store.
Is rana's grocery store and shop front from where he must be selling Halal meat from the farm in countryside close to Chicago. It is clearly visible on google earth with street view.
Google map showing the location.

(4)

Pan American Physical Therapy Svcs Inc
2122 W Devon Ave
Chicago, IL 60659
773-338-9933

Referance: Pan American Physical Therapy Svcs Inc
Is also ran at same address as that halal Chicago grocers shop address and also have same PHONE number.
Google map location

(5)

First World Immigration Services
2809 W Devon Ave
Chicago, IL 60659-1501
Phone:(773) 761-0090
(773) 338-9930

Reference: First World Immigration Services Inc
His most widely reported company!
Google Map location

(6)

First World Management Services Inc, 2122 W Devon Ave, Chicago, IL. (773) 338-9931

Again another business but same address and phone number.
First World Immigration Services Inc
Google map location

(7)

First World Mgmt Service
6260 S Kinsman Rd, Kinsman, IL, 60437-4039
(815) 392-4259

Rana's Farm house in small rural town of Kinsman.
Referance: Business Listing in Kinsman
Google map location

Seems like Rana has 5 phone lines in sequence that he has on his names and are used in all his companies!
(773) 338-9930
(773) 338-9931
(773) 338-9932
(773) 338-9933
(773) 338-9934

Edited on 30/11/09 to add more details.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2009 07:13

Headley is the TSP's liaison with Indian Mujahdeen. All his locales and connections show this. If we ad drawn he network diagram as I suggested earlier it would have become obvious.

Also Patni, in your post about the Brits providing info about Headley and Jazi, isnt it odd that KS referred to both in one article. What that means is GOI is very well aware that its wasn't US vigilance that outed Headley. So that will have its own dynamic.

I think Headley got outed for his Denmark plot which would have international ramifications-Danish targets, Pak- American/Canadian individuals, now the connections to US agencies. It would be a sorry mess if the Danes had arrested the two miscreants.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 30 Nov 2009 08:41

Rana's case is more complicated! From the information received so far it seems that he, either has a very good cover and been hugely successful in hiding his link to terrorism, or he recently has been pulled into it by Headley to use his various businesses to get a good cover for all his travels to India. One of the report thats been posted on the thread earlier has one of the Indian family member of Rana stating that lately Rana seem to have fallen on to financial hardship. Also in one of the earlier reports when the story broke, Rana's family claimed that David Headley had kept his money with them and they used to give him his own money back time to time to explain the payments which I think has been traced by FBI. Curiously Mrs. Rana is projected to be the one handling the finance in the family.

On 3rd of Dec, Rana's case will come up for hearing and seeing that Indian media has so far ran with the story and generated lot of heat, we may get to know more details as it unravels.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 30 Nov 2009 08:43

Pakistani-Canadian denies involvement in Mumbai attacks

Bill Curry

Globe and Mail Update Published on Sunday, Nov. 29, 2009 9:08PM EST Last updated on Sunday, Nov. 29, 2009 9:09PM EST

Pakistani-Canadian Tahawwur Rana is denying any involvement in last year's Mumbai massacre and says he harbours no ill will toward India.

Mr. Rana, who has lived in Chicago for the past 10 years, was arrested last month on charges of assisting a plot to attack a Danish newspaper that published cartoons that upset many Muslims world-wide. Also arrested last month in connection to the alleged plot was Mr. Rana's long-time friend, David Headley, an American citizen.

Affidavits filed by the FBI in support of the charges allege that around September of this year, the Danish plot appeared to shift toward a new attack in India. Shortly after their arrests, there were reports that Indian security officials were investigating the possibility that the two men played a role in last November's deadly Mumbai terror attacks.

Mr. Rana had denied the charges against him related to the Danish plot, but had not commented on the allegations related to India until Sunday.

“Mr. Rana categorically denies involvement in the tragic events in Mumbai of November 26, 2008,” writes Mr. Rana's lawyer, Patrick Blegen, in a news release. “He harbours no ill will against the people of India and continues to have close family ties to the country.” In recent years, Mr. Rana's career has been geared toward assisting members of the Hindu and other communities to become legalized and established in the United States and Canada. Mr. Rana has worked hard and travelled extensively to attempt to build his business. The Indian communities in Chicago, New York and Toronto are a testament to his hard work.”

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 30 Nov 2009 08:44

I'm

at Rana's claims of being duped. At least three brothers in the family are current or retired TSPA officers. Multiple elements of his business footprint in the West appear to have been used in terror planning or execution.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 30 Nov 2009 11:53

ramana wrote:Headley is the TSP's liaison with Indian Mujahdeen. All his locales and connections show this. If we ad drawn he network diagram as I suggested earlier it would have become obvious.

Also Patni, in your post about the Brits providing info about Headley and Jazi, isnt it odd that KS referred to both in one article. What that means is GOI is very well aware that its wasn't US vigilance that outed Headley. So that will have its own dynamic.

I think Headley got outed for his Denmark plot which would have international ramifications-Danish targets, Pak- American/Canadian individuals, now the connections to US agencies. It would be a sorry mess if the Danes had arrested the two miscreants.

Yes! It is very obvious that even if Headley/Rana were on FBI/CIA or Brit's radar prior to Nov. 2008, they are hiding it and dont want to give India a very legitimate Smoking Gun proof of pakis double game! Its very interesting How it played out so far and there are obviously many wheels within wheels in motion in not just Washington and Delhi but also in London! I find it even more curious that The whole 70 some page charge sheet on Rana has no mention on, his Paki Military background, what so ever, even no mention of his Medical background! The bail plea and willingness to post a million dollor bail from rana's camp and postponement of his bail hearing is in itself curious, but even more curious is the postponement hearing and order was passed by the chief justice of the Chicago bench and not by Judge Nolan, under whose court the case is registered.

Overall IMHO India is holding its cards close and there is something up at very high level, which explains Obama sending a team of FBI agent to India and promising full briefing etc. IMHO India might be trying to work the situation in a way to strengthen itself against the Major threat from East. The thread title is surely proving itself to be very relevant indeed!

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 30 Nov 2009 12:02

India to question Headley, Rana soon

2009-11-30 11:35:47
Last Updated: 2009-11-30 11:43:57
New Delhi: India will be able to interrogate arrested Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) members David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Rana early next year, Union Home Secretary G K Pillai said here on Monday.
Indian investigators will be able to get access to the terror-duo only after US authorities formally indict them.

"India will question Headley, Rana soon ... most probably, early next year," Pillai said.

On Sunday, National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan said the US will hand over a comprehensive dossier to India on details relating to the country revealed during the Headley-Rana interrogation.

"The FBI director will be coming to India next week with the dossier," Narayanan said.

According to reports, the issue has been discussed between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President Barack Obama during their recent meeting in Washington and Obama has assured Singh that the US will not hold back any information pertaining to India.

Headley, a Pakistani-born American and Rana, a Canadian of Pakistani origin, were arrested from Chicago in October on charges of plotting attacks in India and Denmark.

Several arrests, including three in Bangladesh, have been made based on information revealed by their interrogation.

India suspects the duo had played a part in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks that killed more than 170 people last year.

IMHO India might have shown unwillingness to continue to be mollycoddled by CIA/ISI nexus and that might explain FBI been given the brief then CIA! Considering it involves a Canadian and plot is definitely International.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 30 Nov 2009 15:05

patni - MI5 have stated that they are actively tracking some 2000 people of interest in terrorism. Gordon Brown has stated that 75% of terror leads in the UK originate in Pakistan. that makes 1500 pakistani origin people being actively watched in the UK, plus i would imagine some 4500-6000 sporadically watched (which is a lot of people considering a total muslim population of ~1.5m). if headley and rana are controllers and handlers, it is not surprising that they have UK jehad links and that MI5 may have stumbled upon them.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 30 Nov 2009 23:10

Rana no terrorist, he helping Hindus in US: His lawyer

Chicago, November 30 :
Terror suspect Tahawwur Hussain Rana, under investigation for possible links to 26/11, has categorically denied any involvement in the Mumbai attacks, his lawyer said today and asserted that the Pakistani-Canadian "harbours no ill-will" against Indians.

The statement was the first response from Rana's side after suspicions arose that he and US citizen David Coleman Headley, arrested by the FBI for plotting attacks in India at the behest of Lashkar-e-Taiba, could have links to the Mumbai terror strikes.

"Mr Rana categorically denies involvement in the tragic events in Mumbai of November 26, 2008," Rana's lawyer Patrick Blegen said in a statement here.

"He harbours no ill-will against the people of India and continues to have close family ties to the country. In recent years, Mr Rana's career has been geared toward assisting members of the Hindu and other communities to become legalised and established in the United States and Canada," he said.

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_art ... id=6756517

Now expect SAJA to come out with a procession seeking his release.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2009 23:38

X-posted...

shyamd wrote:One year after the Mumbai attack, the tentacles of terror are spreading

DEBKAfile Special Report

November 25, 2009, 10:18 PM (GMT+02:00)
Beit Chabad where Laskhar-e-Taiba spy David Headley slept and plotted the murder of six Jews

Thursday, Nov. 26, marks the first anniversary of the Islamic terrorist siege of the Indian city of Mumbai, in which 170 people were shot and blown up and more than 300 wounded. Ten killers of the Pakistan-based al Qaeda offshoot, Lashkar-re-Taibe, shot up and invaded two hotels, a train station, a café and the city's Chabad hospitality center, holding them for three days against Indian police commandos.

The terrorists were instructed to make sure that no one was left alive at the Chabad center: One by one, they murdered the center's director, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, his pregnant wife Rivka, Rabbi Leibish Teitelbaum, Bentzion Chroman, Yocheved Orpaz and Norma Shwartzblatt Rabinovitch. The Holzbergs' two-year old son Moshe was the only survivor thanks to the staff member, Sandra Samuel, who ran out of the inferno carrying the child.

The Chabad Brooklyn Center has completed a Torah scroll dedicated to the six victims. It will be placed in the rebuilt Mumbai center.

DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources report that, while the attack was prepared operationally by Lashkar-e-Taiba branches in Pakistan, the planning, reconnaissance and selection of targets were orchestrated from a covert L-e-T cell in Chicago, USA, which the FBI broke up this month. They found its members of Pakistani origin had been functioning for three or four years at least to orchestrate terrorist attacks on behalf of al Qaeda's worldwide networks, the most spectacular of which was the Mumbai operation. But more were in the pipeline in India and Europe.

Federal agents are holding two key suspects David Headley (49), who was arrested on Oct. 10 at O’Hare International Airport before boarding a flight to Philadelphia, en route to Pakistan, and his aide Tahawar Hussain Rana (48), who was arrested on Oct. 18, 2009, at his home in Chicago. The many-tentacled network continued to unravel last week, when the Italian authorities in the northern town of Breschia detained two suspects of providing financial and logistic support to the L-e-T operation.

In his travels for scouting locations for targeting, Headley spent several nights at the targeted Mumbai hotels and the Chabad center, where he masqueraded as a religious Jew. At those sites, Headley marked out the rooms to be seized by the terrorists as assault positions and arranged for munitions to await them there.

This week, most ironically, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was visiting Washington and preparing to sign a pact for Washington and New Delhi to exchange intelligence and cooperate in the war on terror. While he has a long reckoning with Pakistan for harboring anti-Indian Muslim terrorists, the Indian prime minister had since learned that investigation of the Mumbai had led to a home-grown American cell.

Wednesday, Nov. 25, in Washington, the visiting prime minister paid homage to the Mumbai victims and vowed India would not rest until the perpetrators were brought to justice. In the past 24 hours, Pakistan has finally charged seven suspects formally with the attack, but Singh said a lot more needs to be done by Islamabad to fight terror. Indian sources suspect Pakistan timed the belated charges to win good media coverage for the Mumbai outrage's first anniversary.

What is left unsaid is that training in TSP and coordination form Chicago cell all can't happen without TSPA connivance.

Thanks Patni. I thought it was getting curiouser by the day. If we mere na cheezs can figure all this out am sure the babus have done more with their info.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Dec 2009 00:34

enqyoob wrote:
That Ilyas Kashmiri was always under 'detention' of the PA and was directing all the operations from a 'protective custody'.
Or that the person arrested is actually Sukhwinder Singh Ramaswamy Sangakkara Abdullah. Interesting comment from the Assistant Professor who turned down the job as "India Desk" at Foggy Bottom, after spending time in Balochistan etc. She said:

The Pakistanis lie all the time

A request please refrain from bringing Indian/Hindu/Buddhist sounding names into this. One can make the point without that I hope.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Dec 2009 01:04

Kati wrote:Just in case ..... Raman-ji's take on PM's visit

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3525.html

Relevant parts to this thread....

15. What has been our experience since Obama took over on January 20, 2009? One has not heard of any active US role in helping us in the investigation of the recent second explosion outside our Embassy in Kabul. Even though the FBI has reportedly already shared a lot of intelligence with our agencies in the Headley-Rana case, one has the impression that there has been some foot-dragging by the US authorities in respect of sharing with the Indian agencies information which could help them in identifying serving or retired Pakistani military and intelligence officials with whom Headley and Rana were in touch.

16. If we are given permission to interrogate them, our investigators will query them on the identities of the Pakistani officials. The officials of the Obama Administration are uncomfortable over the prospect of this.

17. There is an apparent strip-tease going on about Headley. There are wheels within wheels in the Headley case. Before he gravitated to the world of jihadi terrorism, he was in the world of narcotics smuggling. He was reportedly arrested once by US officials responsible for narcotics control.

18. Instead of being dealt with severely as one does normally with narcotics offenders, he seems to have been treated somewhat leniently. Did the narcotics control agency of the US recruit him as its agent in return for the lenient sentence? Was the FBI aware of this? We are all assuming that he was able to lead a high-profile life in India because of financial assistance from the LET and the Pakistani intelligence. Were payments from the US narcotics control agency also helping him lead a comfortable life in India and rub shoulders with film personalities and other high-flyers?

19. Will we get complete answers to these questions from the FBI ? The Obama Administration's counter-terrorism co-operation with India reminds one of the policy pursued by the Clinton Administration. Help India in preventing and investigating an act of terrorism originating from Pakistan, but avoid helping India in any matter which might prove detrimental to the State of Pakistan....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Dec 2009 08:07

Headley case postponed indefinitely in the US Court
This adds to the suspicion that the US is carefully calibrating the Headley/Rana case in order to extract concession from Pakistan. Obviously, Headley has a lot of sensitive details, being a double agent as well.

"The detention and preliminary hearing for David Coleman Headley that was scheduled for Friday in US District Court in Chicago is cancelled and will not be held (as scheduled). There is no new date and no further information available at this time," US Attorney's Office, Northern District of Illinois, announced here today.

The Attorney's office further said the detention hearing for Tahawwur Hussain Rana, also in custody on similar terror charges, would proceed as per schedule on December 2 before Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 01 Dec 2009 08:15

A request please refrain from bringing Indian/Hindu/Buddhist sounding names into this. One can make the point without that I hope.

A request please refrain from seeing monsters under the bed, and ease up. One can participate in a discussion without that I hope.
Cheers

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 01 Dec 2009 08:22

Bond hearing for Ill. terrorism suspect called off

Associated Press - November 30, 2009 1:44 PM ET

Not quoting the short report here due to possible copyright issues.

As on expected lines, US now postpones Bond hearing for David Headley (Daood Gilani) indefinitely! Confirms the perception that the forum has about lot of shadow boxing going on and possible Obama administration's wrangling over how best to control the fall out and prevent the case to publicly be heard on US mainland court which would if allowed its free course will end up having to name their munna state as epic center of Evil!

I believe some serious moves are afoot and all possible entities with finger in the paki pies are exerting and trying to influence things! It will be very interesting if Rana's hearing is not "postponed indefinitely" and he is allowed to go on bail by posting 1 million $! mmm anyone has any idea if K-L bill has a provision to help pakis to cover for expense in bailing out captured assets from US jails? If not well how mean of unkil!!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 01 Dec 2009 11:06

Clearly unkil is not very comfortable with the double agent Headley's hearing. He may spill a lot of beans. Hence the postponement.

Possibility: Did Headley retain his Paki citizenship (dual citizenship does exist between TSP and amirkhan)? If yes, then he may be sent to TSP to "stand trial" and save unkil all the discomfiture. Is this under works now between TSP and unkil as part of the larger strategy to get out of Afghanistan?