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magnetised detector weighing 50,000 tonnes...
*** Edited *** I posted that 50,000 tons for detector looked large but it turns out that I stand corrected **I have edited the post to remove the confusion.

ICAL (magnetized iron calorimeter detector ) actually will consist of three modules of 16 kton each!

More of it is here: http://www.imsc.res.in/~ino/Faq/inoinfo.pdf

Thanks to Mav's Blog and Prof Tripathi for noticing it. BTW, I am told that this is phase 1, phase 2 it is 150,000 tons.

Wow!

Also Added later:

If interested, one can check out the type of detectors one is talking about: One can check out CERN's site or TIFR/INO site see the link, say for :
Calorimeter
and
Utube vedio of RCP

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“Let there be no apprehensions; no clearance of forests, no roads will be laid. A cavern will be dug in the mountain where a gigantic magnetised detector weighing 50,000 tonnes will be used to detect and study the neutrinos.” {How will it reach there ? Airlifted ?}
It is not a single piece, but sheets of metal. All large detectors are modular in design.
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Sanatanan wrote:I think this article from DNA (November 27, 2009) has not been posted before:

A deal gone sour
Brahma Chellaney

Singh went to Washington after getting his Cabinet to approve a nuclear-accident liability bill, which seeks to cap liability at a mere $537 million (Rs2,500 crore) and makes the Indian state-run operator, rather than the foreign supplier, liable for compensation payment. Parliament must seize the opportunity when this bill is tabled to examine in full the nuclear deal, which thus far has escaped legislative scrutiny in India.
That's not what this Rediff report states. The liability (as per Rediff) is on the manufacturer.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/nov/ ... y-bill.htm
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NRao wrote: This is really funny:
The amendment to give India its rightful place in the global security framework does not even require changing a word, but merely two digits.

Article IX (3) of the NPT currently reads: “For the purposes of this Treaty, a nuclear-weapon State is one which has manufactured and exploded a nuclear weapon or other nuclear explosive device prior to 1 January 1967.”

If the last two digits of this sentence are changed from 67 to 75, history would have been revisited and India would become a legally recognised nuclear weapons state.
We can save even more ink.. by just making it 1977 :D
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Shouldn't the liability be both on the manufacturer or the maintainer depending on who's at fault?
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US has an old law called Anderson Act which limited the liability to $500M in the 70s to the mfg in case of accident. Dont know if it went up. The mfg is the primary and the operator is secy.
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Why can't India announce that it had conducted cold N bum tests in 1966 hain ji?
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More the liability costilier the power gets, if there is no limit on liability you are eliminating all private players from the competition. Would Russia pay billions of dollars in criminal penality? Can Indians sue them for criminal penality in Russian courts? Do they have such provisions in their laws/constitution? So limiting liability is a way of creating level playing field. Unless govt requires all of the companies to submit third party $5 to 50 billion (choose your number) insurance ploicy with each reactor. No one (including Russians, French and even Indian companies) will come forward to put a plant. Indian approach is to ensure limited role for the private sector and trust state owned company and regulator with the safety and running of the plant and handling of the radioactive material.
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Katare,

There are something called sovereign guarentees. So yes, technically they(french and russia) have unlimited guarentees.

Even after the bhopal experience, why are we still arguing about this? Arent 15,000 dead not enough to learn the lessons? If the company makes such a "mistake", yes their maai baap should be bankrupt and every penny should go to the affected.

If you are not willing to give the guarentee that your plant is safe and that it might kill 15000 people because of any reason, you have no business to be in that particular business.
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Agreed that Russia can't be sued. But the Russians run those same plants in their own country, they off set this by broad nuclear cooperation that is not susceptible to whims and fancies and sanctions as seen from other sources.

A sanctions free N cooperation is the equivalent to a broader strategic alliance, it is not possible to equate that in monetary terms with a purely commercial N cooperation that the western companies plan on having with India at present. There have been losses to the nation as a result of past sanctions by the west, and there are no guarantees that should India proceed to enhance its nuclear security, that it would not face the same sanctions in the future.

Moreover nothing in the west's behavior suggests that they view nuclear co-operation with India as anything more than commercial, even the 123 agreement is more attuned to allow commercial N sales from the west rather than any broad based cooperation in the areas where India wants to develop. Here the west seems to be dragging its feet.
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ravi_ku wrote:Katare,

There are something called sovereign guarentees. So yes, technically they(french and russia) have unlimited guarentees.

Even after the bhopal experience, why are we still arguing about this? Arent 15,000 dead not enough to learn the lessons? If the company makes such a "mistake", yes their maai baap should be bankrupt and every penny should go to the affected.

If you are not willing to give the guarentee that your plant is safe and that it might kill 15000 people because of any reason, you have no business to be in that particular business.
What Sovereign guarantee? How much is it worth? When would it be invoked for what incidents? How would you enforce it? Any proof for such an agreement?

There are no sovereign guarantees from any country for any liability. You buy a product and you pay for it that's about it. Only in US you have legally enforceable ways of recovering damages (actual/criminal/civil) from private companies using domestic US laws. That's why no one's built a nuclear power plant in US for decades. Those liabilities laws were used for specific purpose of making construction of new nuclear plants in USA unaffordable.

Bhopal teaches us that unlimited liability doesn't help in preventing catastrophic accidents but stringent regulations do. We sued UC for every last penny they had, did the outcome satisfy you?
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Gagan wrote:Why can't India announce that it had conducted cold N bum tests in 1966 hain ji?
cold tests are not 'explosions' under the NPT
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

TREATY TO NOWHERE
- The present NPT now belongs to the dustbin of history
AMITABH MATTOO

The NPT, as it stands today, is an illegitimate entity born of a secret liaison between Moscow and Washington. The NPT is out of tune with world realities and has failed its own charter, and any attempt to resuscitate it will only further erode the objectives of nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. It is time to think of a new nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament architecture and it is critical that India takes the lead in this venture.

The NPT was, in essence, created in a rare moment during the Cold War when the Soviet Union and the US got together to prevent those outside the N-5 from acquiring nuclear weapons. They presented a fait accompli to the Eighteen Nation Committee on Disarmament (the designated multilateral negotiating forum on arms control, and a precursor to the Conference on Disarmament) and put into force a treaty that reflected their interests and their view of global stability. The NPT divided the world, almost permanently, between nuclear ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’.

The NPT rested on three pillars, and all three are on the point of collapsing
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Bhopal teaches us that unlimited liability doesn't help in preventing catastrophic accidents but stringent regulations do. We sued UC for every last penny they had, did the outcome satisfy you?
The US changed their laws such that victims of disasters caused by their companies cannot be sued on US soil. What was given was a small settlement and US made India agree to take responsibility for the site thereafter (environmental mess, victims and all).

Now DOW is back in India wheeling and dealing even while the victims go on protesting.

But you are right. No country gurantees are worth squat. US gurantees might at least have some standing. Don't know about French but Russian gurantees are definately worthless. They can't even stick to an agreed upon price of an arms contract, what makes you think they will pay billions if a fault in their reactor creates a Chernobyl type situation in India. They will just tell India to take a hike.

Aside from that, nuclear energy is damn expensive.

I don't think nuclear energy should be a major source of energy for India unless its Indian built reactors that are being put up with fuel made in India. Hydroelectric is still India's best bet for energy. It has the added benefit of creating a route for agriculture, flood control and transportation of ships behind the dam. Solar too might be a good idea if cells are manufactured in India and people get a chance to produce their own energy and sell it to a power distributor, cost per kw permitting.
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Prem,

IF you are posting from an article please place the content within "quote"s. Simply click on the "quote" button and paste that content.

Else the content looks like your post - your comment/thinking.

TIA.
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X-posting from International Nuke thread. India should use this as one more stick to point out how ridiculous NPT is.

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Lovely read. Khan's hypocrisy as usual:

Europe's Secret Nuclear Weapons: What Should NATO Do?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091202/w ... 9194379900

Lahori logic alert below
As recently as December 2008, the Secretary of Defense Task Force on Nuclear Weapons Management, chaired by former U.S. Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger, said the weapons were an important guarantee of NATO security and also supported nonproliferation efforts by preventing allied states from developing their own weapons programs.
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Neshant wrote:
Bhopal teaches us that unlimited liability doesn't help in preventing catastrophic accidents but stringent regulations do. We sued UC for every last penny they had, did the outcome satisfy you?
US gurantees might at least have some standing. Don't know about French but Russian gurantees are definately worthless.
Actually its the other way around, Russians sign the most open ended contracts with Indians in which they can get by with anything and India side can also ask for the moon.

India and Russia still manage to use such a open ended contract to work out delivers of products in time scales which would be simply impossible elsewhere, both products and timescales.

It is a reflection of measure of trust that we have with Russians that we can get into open ended contracts with them and yet things can be expected to work out.

With the US even after iron clad contracts and statements we continuously worry on how and when US of A will pull a stunt and try and under deliver after over payment.

Such is life.
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Worst industrial disaster still haunts India

Reading about the Bhopal gas leak all over again makes me wonder why a similar situation cannot occur with a nuclear station with the Indian government shirking its assumed liability. Hopefully NGOs and local citizens will tie up the nuclear power expansion in courts so that the possibility of a repeat is avoided.
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Kaiga incident: Wake up call or tempest in teapot?December 3rd, 2009 - 12:37 pm ICT by IANS
By K.S. Jayaraman
Bangalore, Dec 3 (IANS) Whoever spiked the water cooler in the Kaiga atomic plant with radioactive tritium on Nov 24 has not been original.

A simple Google search will reveal that the incident is a replay of what happened in 1990 at the Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station in Canada.{I had pointed out this incident in my post of 29 Nov 2009 (at page 17) in this thread. I would imagine that DAE/AERB/NPCIL, as members of various international fora of operators of nuclear power plants, may have information on non-normal incidents occuring in any of the nuclear power plants in the world.}

Reports then said that an employee at the Canadian station obtained about “half a cup” of heavy water from the primary heat transport loop of the nuclear reactor and loaded it into a drink dispenser in the employee canteen.

Eight workers drank some of the contaminated water. The incident was discovered when they began leaving bioassay urine samples with elevated tritium levels.

The media then reported that the episode was intended to be a “practical joke” whereby the affected employees would be required to give urine samples daily for several days!

The Canadian incident was dismissed as a prank and forgotten because it happened prior to 9/11 and 26/11.

Only an ongoing enquiry will tell if the Kaiga incident is the handiwork of a prankster or a “malevolent” act as described by Indian science minister Prithviraj Chavan — or just a plain mistake that has been blown out of proportion.

Nataraja Sarma, retired nuclear physicist and author of the book “Nuclear Power in India” says it could be just a human error - not uncommon at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC). He points out that in the 1980s a vast area in the BARC campus got contaminated by radioactive effluents accidentally discharged from the plutonium plant and the soil had to be decontaminated.

In another incident, scrap metal in Mumbai’s “chor” (thieves) bazaar that was found radioactive was traced to the plutonium plant at BARC. A worker had sold some discarded plant parts. K.S. Parthasarathy, former secretary of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board told IANS he is aware of a case when a worker actually drank some heavy water containing tritium, in the hope he would get a few days off from work. “He was crazy.”

Tritium is the radioactive isotope of hydrogen but the beta radiation emitted by it is of such low energy it cannot even penetrate the human skin. In other words tritium can cause harm only if it enters the body through food or water but its intake must be in large amounts to pose a significant health risk.

Though tritium has a long a radiological half-life (12.3 years) its biological half life — time it takes for half of the activity to be physically removed from the body — is about 10 days which can be shortened to 2-3 days by drinking a lot of fluid.

Some tritium is naturally formed in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays. The air also contains tritium left behind by atmospheric weapons testing between 1954 and 1962. But most tritium in the environment today is discharged from Kaiga-type reactors that use heavy water as moderator and coolant.

Heavy water is chemically the same as regular (light) water, but with the two hydrogen atoms replaced with atoms of deuterium — another isotope of hydrogen.

During reactor operation, deuterium in heavy water is activated by fission neutrons to form tritium. It is an important material in nuclear weapon design for boosted fission weapons and also has civilian applications - for instance in watch dials that glow in the dark. If not recovered from the used heavy water, tritium is discharged from reactors in its elemental form as a gas through stacks or in the form of tritiated water into the lakes and the sea.

Irrespective of how tritium entered the Kaiga water cooler, the incident highlights the need for vigilance in nuclear plants, says Parthasarathy. “Traditionally we have been thinking of securing nuclear plants from earthquakes and tsunami but the Kaiga incident has added another dimension to it.”

A retired director of one of the nuclear stations, who does not want to be named, agrees.

“Security today means checking handbags and inspecting vehicles and vigilance is all about who takes bribe,” he said. “Our security at this level is good but is unprepared to deal with potential threats from scientific staff.” A nuclear reactor has several hotspots and tampering with any of these can cause a radioactive accident a lot more severe than the trivial incident at the water cooler, he said.

“Scrutiny of staff is totally missing in our power stations,” he warned, adding that this calls for urgent attention considering that hundreds of new jobs will be created in the coming years with the projected expansion of India’s nuclear programme.

“At present our plants are guarded by persons supplied by the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) and they take orders from their own boss in Hyderabad or Delhi and not from the station director,” he said. “The nuclear plants should have their own security staff with some training in reactor operation.”
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Security cameras are a dime a dozen in this day and age. It should be no big deal to install and use them. I get a daily dose of so-called entertainment on local TV showing security camera images of women in sari shops suddenly lifting their own saris to stick a sari between their thighs and walk out of the shop. News reports say that India has among the highest rates of retail theft in the world and security cameras are showing that up. What Mumbai taught us is a lesson that can be learned by a lot more organizations.
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In some cases even a fake (a real CCTV with power but no other connectivity) one will do the job too.
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high terrabyte storage devices, backup devices, high compression technologies also help in preserving such data for nailing the culprits.

some highly advanced CCTVs have motion sensor recordings too.. in the sense, if some one/movement is in the vicinity of certain distance, it starts recording.

our drdo should come up deshi ones that is more robust and cheap.

-- this is all that is no use to the victims.. the only way to prevent is online senors and analyzers.

the water coolers and edible sources and other areas must have an online monitoring and testing that sets off an alarm within a second of contamination.
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NFC dispatches fuel bundles to newly-built RAPS unit 6
Nuclear Fuel Complex (NFC) has made history by supplying 11,016 fuel rods from the imported natural Uranium to the Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) in a record time of six months for three reactors.
In 2008, NFC was operating below 50 per cent capacity as there was acute shortage of indigenous fuel. Therefore, NPCIL was running all its 17 plants at 40 to 50 per cent capacity.
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Contamination at Indian nuclear plant not a leak
As an independent journalist who has been taken on tours of some of India’s nuclear power stations, this writer can tell you that there are no coolers in the reactor building of a nuclear plant, nor for that matter are any eatables allowed there.

However, coolers are present in the service building, which is distinct from the reactor building and houses apparel-changing areas and restrooms. It was a cooler in the service building that was found to have been contaminated by someone who had poured tritiated water into the cooler through its overflow pipe, since the lid of the cooler itself was screwed shut.
This is not the first incident of this sort. In 1990 the Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station in New Brunswick, Canada was witness to a similar perfidy. That time as well, a disgruntled employee had poured the contents of tritium sampling vials into a water cooler, leading to several employees falling ill.
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The Tritium did come out of the Reactor building into the Service building didn't it? This must be past security checkpoints?
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Gagan wrote:The Tritium did come out of the Reactor building into the Service building didn't it? This must be past security checkpoints?

Sometimes the most mundane of explanations exist.

Four samples of tritiated water @ 80 ml per sample are drawn every shift from four different points in the tritiated water line for chemical analysis. This constant sampling is to ensure that the sample is pure enough and still retains all the required nuclear parameters. If the percentage of purity reduces or there is some degradation in some nuclear properties then the reactor load increases.

That's 12 samples @ 80 ml per sample per three shifts per day, everyday. Routinely done for years and done openly. Familiarity breeds contempt.

This is generally low level work and some technician carries the samples of to the chemical lab. After due analyses the contents of the four vials are generally emptied into a larger container of tritiated water which when it fills up in due course is sent off for up gradation and then reintroduced back into the tritiated water system.

If some result of an unsuccessful abortion draws an additional vial or does not deliver the complete quantity of samples drawn to the chem lab or the chem lab guys themselves keep back a vial or two then said someone has some tritiated water to play around with.

There is very fierce and militant union rivalry at Kaiga. The recently introduced performance related incentive scheme in payment is a major bone of contention with one union strongly supporting and the other union equally strongly against. It's the oldies who generally have a heart burn because the younger and more energetic employees often get three or more increments while the oldie gets only one.

This was basically an attention seeking mechanism and a pretty ham handed effort at that. The GOI has come down like a ton of bricks and everything (related and unrelated) is being probed at Kaiga as well as other establishments and the GOI is going to do some pretty thorough and heavy house cleaning.

You can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of expensive surveillance cameras have been ordered and biometric systems are being installed in every nuke establishment depriving many poor buggers of much needed secret sleeping places and resting nooks.

Revised procedures hopefully include frequent and regular cavity searches necessary to set right some union types. :)
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A shrill and prejudiced article:
Kaiga: Question mark over nuclear safety
December 04, 2009 18:31 IST
To investigate the Kaiga episode, we need an independent committee, composed of external experts, radiation biologists, safety specialists and representatives of workers. We cannot afford to be cavalier about nuclear safety, writes Praful Bidwai.
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Sanatanan wrote:A shrill and prejudiced article:
. . . writes Praful Bidwai.
Sanatanan, the above author's articles are not even worth posting here.
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Chetak, thanks for that good info.
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Chetak much appreciated!
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@chetak

Pardon my knowledge. But i consider handling of heavy water as one of the most critical aspect of operation. Does your statement means there's no single point of responsibility for inventory of a lab? Can there be any other source for the heavy water.

(In similar practices in mining industry, handling of explosives is high priority.There's always an officer responsible for stocks during his shift, and one for all three shifts)
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I don't know whether this was posted earlier,but it it bears serious thought.Mrs.G's comment is just perfect.How we miss her! It is unquestionable that the true costs of nuclear power are masisve,when you factor in nuclear waste disposal and the environmental issues,very real and which deserve to be the top priority.No one wants another Chernobyl.It is also true that a veil of secrecy hangs over the AEC because of the N-weapons angle and because of this and behind it,the dept. takes shelter,unseen and unaccountable to parliament and the poeple.In the current global environmental concerns,renewable energy like solar,wind and tidal/wave power should be at the top of the energy agenda.N-power has its virtues,but not at a phenomenal cost to the taxpayer,that prevents us from exploiting the eco-friendly alternatives.In fact,a holistic approach should be adopted for N-power,as none of the options on their own can suffice.We should be using the most economical and eco-friendly ones the most and accelerate our FBTech. so that we can take advantage of the vast thorium reserves within the country.

However when it comes to N-weapons,which sadly we are forced to require because of the N-threats against us from China and Pak,our N-industry is required to deliver every year until an international treaty is signed and enforced,to prevent us from being overwhelmed by the axis of rogue states like Pak and China.Let us not therefre confuse our requirements of N-power and N-weapons.Both are needed,but there are ways in which nothing can be achieved,taking into consideration all concerns.

OUR ATOM STATE : India’s nuclear industry is neither profitable nor accountable
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Kalpakkam's PFBR under construction reaches a milestone
The Main Vessel of the Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor at Kalpakkam was lowered inside the Safety Vessel and aligned early on Saturday.
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animesharma wrote:@chetak

Pardon my knowledge. But i consider handling of heavy water as one of the most critical aspect of operation. Does your statement means there's no single point of responsibility for inventory of a lab? Can there be any other source for the heavy water.

(In similar practices in mining industry, handling of explosives is high priority.There's always an officer responsible for stocks during his shift, and one for all three shifts)

If you were to see the operations manuals and record keeping ledgers of a company like Shell, Indian Oil or even Union Carbide for that matter, said manuals would put many armed forces to shame.
Complex procedures are already in place in all nuke plants the world over.

They explain in the very minutest of detail what is to be done by whom and when. The written word encapsulates tens of decades of experience and will guarantee safe operations if meticulously followed. Nobody even opens them. Every accident is investigated and systems are sought to be made idiot proof by constant revision of procedures. Problem is that in no time at all a bigger idiot comes along to beat the current idiot proof system.

Such silly manuals exist in all organisations, followed only during "inspections" and for the benefit of inspectors who themselves were guilty of breaking many regulations in their time.

The Bhopal tragedy still took place, a PSU oil storage facility went up in flames and burned for many days. We had Chernobyl and Three mile Island.

Is it your contention that there was a lack of responsible people or written instructions or standard operating procedures or shift in charges or whatever in all the cases mentioned? The disaster took place in spite of stringent checks in place.

You are probably an outsider looking in and very rightly consider handling heavy water a critical operation. What about the poor bored slob who has been drawing heavy water samples for years and years?

Over a period of time contemptuous familiarity sets in and slothful employees resort to dangerous shortcuts because some joker has to pick up his kids from school, another joker has to go to the hospital or buy vegetables or what ever.

Its a sad game that is played the world over. Sometimes with disastrous consequences. All of us are guilty of taking shortcuts. Some clever people could observe carefully and turn an innocent situation to their own nefarious benefit.

If you were to visit the HAL vegetable market in Bangalore during working hours you would be astounded to see the large numbers of uniformed HAL employees stocking up on veggies and haggling over prices. You can bet your boots that in an emergency situation some of the worthies at the market have been named specifically in SOPs to man vital positions or initiate specific actions.

By the way which mining industry are you talking about saar??? Naxalites and other "deprived classes" get their stocks of high explosives only from such "industries" and many a "responsible officer and shift in charge" has retired rich. :)
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Coming from Dr. K.S Parthasarathy, Former Secretary, AERB, I think this article can be considered authentic. I feel it would have been better if it had been published earlier.
Kaiga incident serves as a wake-up call
The Hindu Thursday, Dec 03, 2009

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Media reports reflected heightened perception, concerns and some misunderstanding about the way the Station handled the incident.

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Homi Bhabha was indeed a multifaced visionary. I have had a chance to meet him in person.
BTW: The Picture of Bhabah in Hindu (SSridhar's link) contains another Physics Greats
(Einstein, John Wheeler, Yukava)
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From NEWSWEEK, Published Dec 4, 2009 (From the magazine issue dated Dec 14, 2009)
Singh’s Shrewd Move
A shift on India's nuclear policy.
By David P. Fidler and Sumit Ganguly

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For India, expressing interest in joining the treaty as a nuclear-weapons state is a shrewd move. It realigns critical aspects of global nuclear diplomacy around Indian ideas, interests, and influence in ways New Delhi's hostility to the NPT never achieved. No matter what happens now, India's shift on the treaty promises to bring benefits to the country and present difficult challenges to friends and rivals alike.
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By the way which mining industry are you talking about saar??? Naxalites and other "deprived classes" get their stocks of high explosives only from such "industries" and many a "responsible officer and shift in charge" has retired rich.
I was specifically pointing to CIL. And i agree human error is the number one reason for such accidents. Our PSU operating model sometimes amplifies the same.
However, It would be incorrect to claim that naxalite getting their explosives from mines. Infact, in only naxal affected area, there had been a tradition of of giving hafta to naxals. They come to you and act as decent as a policy salesman. So, i don't doubt there may be possibility of your claim. Heck.. coal india is already unaccountable for tonnes of coal every year...
back to the point.
My concerns are:
1)Is it a fault of individual.
2)is it a minor fault of rulebook.
or
3)the whole system is questionable.

Being an outsiders, it gives me little pleasure to make such comments. But as a citizen, it gives me immense pleasure to know that our nuke plants are safe, which was the conception , till this incident.
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