Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 Dec 2009 00:22

So Obama has announced withdrawal of US troops in 18 months. Why don't the pakis/taliban just sit quiet for the next 18 months, and then take over Afghanistan? Why is it so hard for them to lie low for a while? Obama wants all troops home before the next election.

So why is there so much angst among pakis? If I was a paki gernail, i would be thrilled. Just ask the taliban in NWFA to keep quiet for a year or so, while replenishing their arms and recruiting their forces, and once the americans leave, take over Afghanistan again as they did post-soviet withdrawal. This time at least, there aren't any other militia around like the hazar ones during 80s.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 04 Dec 2009 00:24

Hillary just said that the withdrawal date is not set in stone

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 04 Dec 2009 00:31

RaviBg wrote:So Obama has announced withdrawal of US troops in 18 months. Why don't the pakis/taliban just sit quiet for the next 18 months, and then take over Afghanistan? Why is it so hard for them to lie low for a while? Obama wants all troops home before the next election.

So why is there so much angst among pakis? If I was a paki gernail, i would be thrilled. Just ask the taliban in NWFA to keep quiet for a year or so, while replenishing their arms and recruiting their forces, and once the americans leave, take over Afghanistan again as they did post-soviet withdrawal. This time at least, there aren't any other militia around like the hazar ones during 80s.

RaviBg ... US is already backtracking from the 18 month deadline ... refer post in Af-Pak thread

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 33#p782933

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2009 00:38

RaviBg wrote:So Obama has announced withdrawal of US troops in 18 months. Why don't the pakis/taliban just sit quiet for the next 18 months, and then take over Afghanistan? Why is it so hard for them to lie low for a while? Obama wants all troops home before the next election.

So why is there so much angst among pakis? If I was a paki gernail, i would be thrilled. Just ask the taliban in NWFA to keep quiet for a year or so, while replenishing their arms and recruiting their forces, and once the americans leave, take over Afghanistan again as they did post-soviet withdrawal. This time at least, there aren't any other militia around like the hazar ones during 80s.

Last night Robin Wright, now of US Inst of Peace, on CNN, said hiding is not an option for the Taliban as the US and Afghans will make progress on the ground while they hunker down. Thus they lose. If they fight they lose as there are now enough troops as opposed to 32k when Obama took over.

No the long review process has gamed the issues in a very through manner. All angles have been covered. Just for kicks go through the thought process to come to the same decision as I did a few pages back.

Last night Anderson Cooper was sounding like a silly little boy throwing words without meaning them like "Vietnam" etc etc.

The beauty of the 'back tracking " is its the US Congress that wants the troops to stay!

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 Dec 2009 01:02

I still have doubts about the US ability to eliminate all safe havens in Pakistan for the taliban. The troop surge is mainly because they don't have the capacity today to confront taliban all along the Af-Pak border. They won't take the fight to Pakistan to eliminate all sanctuaries there.

Nothing prevents the pakis from lying low in NWFA. Stop all attacks or keep it to a bare minimum. Give a false sense of security that the surge has succeeded and allow the Americans to declare victory and go home. They can then have the field to themselves. I really doubt whether Obama would want the troops to stay close to the next election date. At the minimum, at least half the troops would be gone by then

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 04 Dec 2009 01:13

RaviBg,

That lying idle cannot happen. A group of persons with AKs need to do something. If not, who will pay for their costs? 1 year of being idle will mean lots of unpaid talibunnies. They will revolt or demand ransom from Pakistan.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 Dec 2009 01:29

ravi_ku wrote:RaviBg,

That lying idle cannot happen. A group of persons with AKs need to do something. If not, who will pay for their costs? 1 year of being idle will mean lots of unpaid talibunnies. They will revolt or demand ransom from Pakistan.

Better to live to fight another day, no?

Given that the ISI is the god father of taliban, it will be better for them to lie low and regroup/replenish than rushing in and get killed by the predator drones/US soldiers. It will be cheaper for Pakistan too in the long run, plus will take pressure off Pakistan also if the attacks on US forces in Afghanistan stops.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 04 Dec 2009 01:39

Various sources (even Paki sources Gul, Beg etc) indicated that jihadi headcount exceeds 40K plus and we know that is it very conservative given that wide swathes in Afghanistan and NWFP were completely controlled by jihadis.

So, even the exaggerated claims of ~2K jihadi casualties is no way near neutralizing the capability unambiguously.

I don't understand West's call to Pakistan for "doing more". WTF? Pak hasn't even started. Wonder what it takes for them to realize that the past is not going to come back. May be it will take a *successful* attempt on GHQ, Naval HQ etc unlike the failed attempts to get these guys understand what is at stake.

India should / will NEVER let Afghanistan go to dogs as it did before. I think a statement from GOI along the lines...Afghanistan is as much critical and important for India as the state of Jammu and Kashmir, will do wonders. If Pakistan is not allowed to vomit its poison on India or on Afghanistan, it will have to swallow, it should be made to swallow. PERIOD.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 04 Dec 2009 01:43

Actually this is the latest figure I could find: 550 militants killed, 70 soldiers martyred since beginning of operation Rah-e-Nijat

OK this one claims 600

Soldiers backed by artillery and tanks have killed over 600 militants since an operation was launched against the Taliban in South Waziristan in October.

Looooooooog way to go. India should persist. I hope Jihadis also persists (not succeed) in their struggle to screw Pak army and the state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2009 02:09

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.asp ... ar&nid=778

Re-visiting the Indo-Afghan nexus
Dr. Raja Muhammad Khan

Rabindranath Tagore, the prominent Indian writer, poet, novelist and musician was indeed a Bengali polymath. In his famous write up "Kabliwala", he eloquently highlighted the centuries old political, cultural and economic relationship between India and Afghanistan. He even declared Afghanistan as the 'cultural province of India'. In the post-colonial period, the first Indian Prime Minister, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru once said that; "the normal strategic frontiers of India are the Hindukush Mountains". Indeed, historically Afghanistan's relationship with India was established during the prolonged Muslims rule in the Indo-Pak Subcontinent. It was through Afghan soil and in some cases Afghans themselves that the Muslim vanquishers attacked the subcontinent for their ultimate rule over this soil. However in all eventualities, the pedestal of relationship was between the believers of same religion; the Islam in both countries. In order to avoid the forethought Hindu rule in the united India, Muslims of the subcontinent succeeded in the establishment of their own homeland in the form of Pakistan, having geographical contiguity with Afghanistan. Other than the followers of the same religion, Pakistan has a worthwhile population of the same ethnic group as of Afghanistan. Indeed this was the cultural identity with archaic India; Mr. Rabindranath Tagore has referred to in his book 'Kabliwala'. As a matter of principle, this relationship could have transformed to Pakistan, the very basis for its establishment. But as luck could have it, this did not happen and even on the provocation of the Indian leadership, the then incumbent Afghan government under King Zahir Shah became hostile to Pakistan. Failing to secure the popular support of the NWFP people in favour of India through the referendum held in July 1947, the Afghan Kingdom provoked by Hindu nationalists even started claiming some parts of Pakistan adjacent to Pak-Afghan border. It is worth mentioning that overwhelming people of NWFP voted for Pakistan. The total valid votes for Pakistan were 289,244 as compared to 2,874 for India in the historical referendum of the Province. Apparently being part of the Non Aligned Movement (NAM), India and Afghanistan came closer to former Communist Soviet Union, thus structuring New Delhi-Kabul-Moscow nexus, cramming Pakistan like a sandwich. The strategy forced Pakistan to become part of Western sponsored defence alliances. Through its highly influential spying network, India remained so thick and thin with the successive governments of Afghanistan even after the coup d'état against king Zahir Shah. Along with the former Soviet Bloc, India was the only country which recognised Government of Mr. Nur Muhammad Tarakki in Afghanistan, after the bloody Saur Revolution of 1978, murdering President Daud and his key cabinet members. This was not the end; India tacitly welcomed the Russian invasion in Afghanistan. The late Indian Premier, Indira Gandhi, specially directed Indian representatives in the United Nations, not to oppose the Soviet point of view during meetings on Afghanistan. In the entire period of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, India maintained diplomatic and economic relationship with Babrak Karmal's administration. In the post-Soviet period, India provided heavy consignment of military and economic assistance to the Najibullah Regime against the former Mujahideen. Indian diplomatic mission kept functioning in Kabul till control of the Mujahideen in 1994. During the reign of the Taliban, India maintained its relations with the ethnic groups of the Northern Alliance and supplied them with unending finances, logistic support and modern weaponry. This Indian tactic alienated the ethnic Pakhtun, forming over 45% of the total Afghan population. Through its military base established in Farkhor in Tajikistan, India has been providing all out assistance to Northern Alliance and even reserved a 20-bed hospital for the injured persons of the alliance during their anti-Taliban military actions. Since the Taliban regime was considered to be more close to Pakistan, therefore in 1997-98, India provided over $70 million military aid to Northern Alliance, which also included two MI-17 helicopters. Later in 2000, India provided three more MI -17 helicopters and heavy weapons to the alliance against Taliban. Before his death in 2001, India provided military assistance of $8 million to the alliance head Mr. Ahmed Shah Masoud. In a way, India can be regarded as the pioneer of creating factions and factional fighting in Afghanistan through its highly skilled intelligence agency RAW. The spying agency has initially rehearsed this tactics during the Indian campaign of disintegrating Pakistan, through creation of Mukti Bahini in the former East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). Later, it created LTTE, another ethnic group in Sri Lanka. This RAW-sponsored terrorist group could hardly be subdued by the Sri Lankan State forces in 2009, under the strong Indian hue and cry. India did not even hesitate to support Maoists in Nepal; the only Hindu state in the world. It is worth mentioning that Indian support to the alliance has been routed through its military base in Tajikistan. However, now there is a diversification and India is making use of Iranian port Chhabahar for the transportation of its military assistance and other goods to Afghanistan. It is worth mentioning that Chhabahar port has been constructed with the assistance of India and Iran has allowed 90% relaxation in the port fee to India and Afghanistan. This development has taken place to alienate Pakistan and to do away with its strategic significance in the regional politics. In the post 9/11 events, India sided with United States and welcomed its military invasion against the Taliban regime. Indeed, India wanted to have lions share in the post-Taliban regime in that war-ridden country. It immediately sent its spying missions in Afghanistan in the garb of contractors for various construction duties, a tactic US has been employing for its long term occupation as in the case of Iraq. In 2005, Indian Premier Mr. Manmohan Singh paid an official visit to Kabul and signed a number of memorandums of understanding (MoUs) to promote bilateral relationship between the two friendly countries. It was the first visit by any Indian head of Government in last 30 years. Ms. Indira Gandhi, the late Indian Premier visited Afghanistan in 1976. Mr. Singh also inaugurated the Afghan Parliament building during the visit and promised heavy economic assistance in all fields. Indeed Indian assistance has started pouring into Afghanistan much earlier than the visit. The visit however formalised the Indian inroads into the Afghan affairs and paved way for the Indian cultural, civilizational and above all to strengthen its political standing through the demonstration of its hegemonic designs in the region. Though currently Afghanistan is under the occupation of US and NATO forces, but there is a deep rooted Indian involvement in almost all fields. Virtually, India is providing training to Afghan National Army, its intelligence network and police. It is controlling the basic structure of the Afghan educational system, the future nursery of that country. All reconstruction work is being undertaken by Indian contractors. Its domestic and foreign policies are being restructured by Indian experts. By controlling the basic structure; the nerve centre of the Afghan Government and through active support of the minority ethnic groups against majority, India indeed is tearing down the basic fabric of the Afghan society, which kept it integrated for centuries. It is up to the brave sons of Afghanistan to make a distinction between their true friends and the real foes. [email protected]

What a rant! Must be a sarkari Pashtun!

Not having a direct frontier nor leverage the GOI position has always been to support the powers that come to the top in Afghanistan. It was the TSP para-military Taliban takeover that changed the equations.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 04 Dec 2009 05:10

Imran Khan hints that India were behind the SL cricket team attack

One of the less severe casualties has been cricket, a huge source of national pride in Imran's day after his Pakistan team won the 1992 World Cup. Since terrorists attacked Sri Lanka's team bus on its way to Lahore's Gaddafi Stadium in March, all international cricket there has ceased, the national team cast adrift to play all their matches away from home in places like Abu Dhabi and England.

"It's important to restore international cricket because the public love the game in this country. But after the attack on the Sri Lankan bus no one is even thinking about cricket in Pakistan any more. This is a country that is racked with scandals at the moment.

"By the way, the official government position is that it wasn't extremists who attacked the Sri Lankan bus but a foreign hand, and we all know who they mean by that. It is interesting though.

The Taliban, whom many have blamed, always claim responsibility whenever they do an attack. Also, they tend to target the police or the army and rarely target civilians. But they have not admitted to either the Sri Lankan bus or the recent bombings in civilian areas."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... istan.html

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Dec 2009 05:13

Amdavadi Sir, i am sorry and meant no offence. I had at that time on the same article read thru 20 pdf (deff and dumb) posts, with ppl arguing where is PN HQ. Just did'nt want that stupid query spilling over here. Please don't mind my brash language, i apologize.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Dec 2009 05:28

The next time Imran Khan visits India to escape from a thrashing back home in Pakistan, he needs to be given a ride on a Pervez Musharraf with a haar made of lee coopers around his neck.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 04 Dec 2009 05:39

Familiar road -- all too familiar refrain ---- Ayaz Amir

There is a fallacy at work here, spreading confusion. There can be no capacity-building, much less the still more foolish notion of nation-building, under the shadow of military defeat. Arms have to prevail in the field before words can inspire confidence. American arms are not prevailing in the field and 30,000 more troops, judging by Vietnamese and past Afghan experience, are unlikely to make much of a difference. So under the shadow of this looming failure what capacity-building are we talking about?

If Obama had said that no matter what the cost in blood and treasure the US would hold the line in Afghanistan, it would have been a different matter. The approach might have been criticised but American resolve at least would not have been questioned. But Obama suggested no such thing. His speech implied no open-ended commitment but the eventual trimming and rolling back of the present commitment. If anything, this will spur Afghan corruption as an insurance policy against rainy days.

It is important to take this point to heart if Pakistan is to chart the right course for itself. For too long we have gone with the flow, driven not by our own necessities but the compulsions arising from our American alliance -- forged in haste and, for the most part, unthinkingly by Pervez Musharraf. It should take little genius to figure out that as America's difficulties in Afghanistan mount, and victory is no more within reach as it was for the Soviets, there will be growing pressure on us to do more.

This is where we need to preserve our cool. Any operations we undertake in our tribal areas must strictly be calibrated to our own reading of the situation rather than be a knee-jerk response to American pressure or demands.

To label Pakistan as an American satellite is to do injustice to ourselves. We have been less pushed around than readily allowing ourselves to be pushed around. If we have been foolish about many things it was folly we chose for ourselves. No one pushed General Zia into the Afghan 'jihad'. He was messianic about it himself, a full year and a half before the Americans came into the act. No one drove Musharraf into America's arms. Later he did his best to window-dress the decisions he took by saying that Pakistan had no other choice. But it is not too farfetched to suppose that a political government -- much as we choose to malign our civilian leaders -- might have opted for a more calculated response.

So we must learn to think more clearly for ourselves. We are in this war together with the Americans. Geography leaves us with no other choice. But in this new Vietnam war we must not become another Cambodia, a country which has still not fully recovered from what America did to it 30-40 years ago. Our military must do what is necessary in South and North Waziristan and perhaps beyond. But, under American pressure, it must not allow itself to become over-extended.

This leaves the military -- principally, the army -- very much on its own. There should be a surer political hand on the tiller but with the Presidency mired in rumour and scandal and the Prime Minister yet to acquire the look of a war leader, we have to throw up a collective prayer as much for a spell of rain -- because the present drought if it lasts will have killer consequences -- as for a miracle of slightly more inspired leadership.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 04 Dec 2009 06:05

I have a question for Idiot Khan. If India was behind SL cricket team, and this is something SLGovt told pakis.
Why would SLGovt would permit Sri Lankan cricket team to play in india as they are currently doing.?

I guess as per idiot khan, SL team wants to be permently retire hurt in India? I do get pakis, but their obsession
with India has no limit

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 04 Dec 2009 06:13

Harbans,

My question was geniun.My only request to you is just cool down, and dont assume anything.

Only reason pakis have their naval HQ in karachi as they want to avoid getting bombed next time India takes action to
take back sindh.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 04 Dec 2009 06:21

Now if a paki major-general was involved in the mumabi terror attacks, can an indian general be far behind?

Indian three-star General planned suicide attacks in Peshawar: Gabol

Minister of State for Shipping Nabeel Gabol said a three-star Indian General planned the blasts occurred in Peshawar last month and RAW agents used kidnapped Afghans for suicide attacks.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... awar-Gabol

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 04 Dec 2009 06:31

These are all kuffar ways of thinking. You have to use madrassah logic:

India was behind the Mumbai attack on 26/11 to give Pakistan and Islam a bad name.
This failed; Pakistan did not disappear and hence bania was enraged.
So then India attacked SL team in Pakistan for "revenge".

The reason SL team is now playing in India is because, as everyone knows, only Pakistan has had the guts to stand up to Indian hegemony and everyone else has been reduced to vassal states.

Quaid-e-duh!

amdavadi wrote:I have a question for Idiot Khan. If India was behind SL cricket team, and this is something SLGovt told pakis.
Why would SLGovt would permit Sri Lankan cricket team to play in india as they are currently doing.?

I guess as per idiot khan, SL team wants to be permently retire hurt in India? I do get pakis, but their obsession
with India has no limit

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 04 Dec 2009 06:33

asprinzl wrote:Ok friends, here is a request to all you genteel folks here. I have a friend who runs a small hospital in the Caribbean region. Recently, he posted adds for a couple of positions for doctors that he hoped to hire in his expansion plan. One of the applicant has a medical degree from Rawalpindi Medical College. Is this a legit medical college? If it is legit, is it a college dominated by Pakjabis? Or the Military elites exclusively for their litters?
Input greatly appreciated.
Avram

very risky hiring madarssa land inhabitants with Xerox degrees..

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 04 Dec 2009 07:41

Forex reserves decline to $13.72 billion

KARACHI: Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves declined to $13.72 billion during the week that ended on November 28, as compared to $13.90 billion the previous week, the State Bank of Pakistan said on Thursday. Reserves held by the SBP stood at $10.135 billion, as compared to $10.27 billion a week earlier. While reserves held by banks other than SBP stand at $3.584 billion, as compared to $3.63 billion last week. Foreign reserves hit a record high of $16.5 billion in October 2007 but fell steadily to $6.6 billion by November last year, largely because of a soaring import bill. An International Monetary Fund (IMF) emergency loan package of $7.6 billion agreed in November helped avert the balance of payments crisis and shore up reserves. The IMF, which increased the loan to $11.3 billion in July, has disbursed more than $5 billion. staff report

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Dec 2009 07:49

Excerpt from transcript of the NPR interview of the head of the US Army’s Central Command, Gen. David Petareus.

The US Army’s reflex to play the role of apologist for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is deeply ingrained

What in your view is Pakistan doing about those specific threats right now?

Well, I think there was a major development there about nine months or so ago that is very worth discussing. And that is a recognition by the Pakistani population, by virtually all of the political leaders, including the major opposition figure, Nawaz Sharif, for example, and the bulk of the clerics that the most pressing threat to the very existence of Pakistan as they know it is the extremist syndicate, again, and, in particular, the Pakistani Taliban, the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistani, which was threatening at that time further and further out of Swat Valley in North-West Frontier Province in the northern, northwestern part of Pakistan.

Excuse me. Sure they're going after Taliban elements that they see as attacking inside Pakistan, but they're not going after the elements that we just described who are seen as attacking inside Afghanistan.

In some cases they are. Again, it depends on whether those organizations, needless to say, have posed a threat to the writ of governance, as it's termed, of Pakistan. So in some cases there are literally mutual enemies; in some other cases there are elements that they have not yet gone after. And, in fact, I think we need to be very understanding of this, frankly.

There are — you can only stick so many short sticks into hornets' nests at one time. They have done quite impressive operations in Swat Valley or the North-West Frontier Province to clear and then hold and rebuild that very important area, again, of the NWFP — also several other districts of the Malakand division of the North-West Frontier Province.

They have also conducted operations against others of these extremist elements that are part of the syndicate that particularly does operate in, again, Northwestern Pakistan, Eastern Afghanistan. And those are in, say, the Bajaur, the Mohmand and the Khyber tribal agencies of the Federally Administered Tribal Agency.

And then now they have gone after the Pakistani Taliban really in their home, which is Eastern-South Waziristan and now, in fact, they are actually operating in North Waziristan in some of the — in Aurakzai and Kuram of the FATA to go after some of the other organizations that have threatened their lines of communication in the FATA as they have carried out these other operations.

Read it all:

Petraeus Defends Pakistan's Fight Against Insurgents

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 04 Dec 2009 07:51

Hail to the Drones

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/04/world ... rones.html

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Dec 2009 07:58

Sanjay M wrote:Hail to the Drones

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/04/world ... rones.html

Surely you mean Hail to the National Bird of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Dec 2009 08:12

Given that the backers of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, including the UK, lack the intestinal fortitude to turn off the gush of aid to the Islamic Republic, unlike Bronwen Maddox I am convinced that Pakistani stonewalling will continue:

From Times Online
December 3, 2009

Pakistan stonewalling cannot last much longer

Bronwen Maddox

The assertion by Pakistan's Prime Minister that he did not think that Osama bin Laden was hiding in his country is a routine position from Islamabad since 2001. From the point of view of Yousuf Raza Gilani, what else could he say? Any other answer opens the door to deeply unattractive pressures that could threaten the stability of the Government and even the country. .....................

But Gilani's stonewalling response will not now deflect pressure as easily as the same answer has done in the past. Given the activity of the Taleban on the Western border, and the Pakistan Army's considerable presence there, he is under some pressure to say why, exactly, he believes bin Laden is not there, district by district. ........................

Times, UK

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 04 Dec 2009 08:24

medical degree from Rawalpindi Medical College. Is this a legit medical college? If it is legit, is it a college dominated by Pakjabis? Or the Military elites exclusively for their litters?

Outstanding Capri-Obstetrics and Capri-Gynaecology Divisions, I hear.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Dec 2009 09:51

Captain Clouseau :: Bin Laden not in Pakistan

Captain Clouseau with British Prime Minister Brown.

"In fact Pakistan is fighting a war on terrorism," Captain Clouseau told reporters at a joint press conference with his British counterpart Gordon Brown at 10 Downing Street.

"We have good defense and intelligence cooperation with the U.S.. I don't think Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan."

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Dec 2009 09:55

And then:

Taliban detainee 'met Bin Laden this year'

A Taliban detainee in Pakistan claims to have information about Osama Bin Laden's whereabouts in January or February of this year.

His claims cannot be verified but a leading American expert says his account should be investigated.

Can Captain Clouseau be wrong?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 04 Dec 2009 09:57

Pakistan madrassa mixes drugs rehab and fighter training
Story of a BritPaki druggie who went to Pakland and went to a madrassa to kick his drug habit

Urfan told me that the village now boasted 338 "martyrs". Two had been killed very recently in Afghanistan.
I wonder how many ended up INSASed in India
"When I came back to England, I was off drugs, but I was pumped full of hate," he says.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Dec 2009 10:02

Pakistan madrassa mixes drugs rehab and fighter training

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 04 Dec 2009 10:19

Senator Menendez says Pakistan only wants money and weapons

An influential democratic senator on Friday said that Islamabad was not interested in developing a strategic relationship with the Obama administration in tackling terrorism and is interested only in money and weapons that came through the unconditional aid granted by the US.

“I get no sense that we have a Pakistan strategy. We have been talking about offering them a strategic relationship. They don’t seem to want a strategic relationship,” Senator Robert Menendez said at a hearing on Afghanistan convened by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

What about GUBO hain?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 04 Dec 2009 12:03

arnab wrote:Now if a paki major-general was involved in the mumabi terror attacks, can an indian general be far behind?

Indian three-star General planned suicide attacks in Peshawar: Gabol

Minister of State for Shipping Nabeel Gabol said a three-star Indian General planned the blasts occurred in Peshawar last month and RAW agents used kidnapped Afghans for suicide attacks.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... awar-Gabol

Is it typo mistake, is it Goebel or Gabol

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 04 Dec 2009 12:32

Ya arrah! The half jumma day is over and still no IED Mubarak ?

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 04 Dec 2009 13:39

Sanjay M wrote:Hail to the Drones

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/04/world ... rones.html

Many nuggets in this one -

Two weeks ago in Pakistan, Central Intelligence Agency sharpshooters killed eight people suspected of being militants of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and wounded two others in a compound that was said to be used for terrorist training.Then, the job in North Waziristan done, the C.I.A. officers could head home from the agency’s Langley, Va., headquarters, facing only the hazards of the area’s famously snarled suburban traffic

Interestingly, residents of the tribal areas where the attacks actually occur, who bitterly resent the militants’ brutal rule, are far less critical of the drones, said Farhat Taj, an anthropologist with the Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy. “But they feel powerless toward the militants and they see the drones as their liberator,” she said.

American officials say that despite such public comments, Pakistan privately supplies crucial intelligence, proposes targets and allows the Predators to take off from a base in Baluchistan.

Daniel S. Markey, who studies South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the comments of two anti-Taliban tribal leaders he spoke with on a recent trip to Pakistan seemed to capture the paradox of the drones.The tribal leaders told him that the strikes were eliminating dangerous militants while causing few civilian deaths. But they pleaded for a halt to the attacks, saying the strikes stirred up anger toward the United States and the Pakistani Army, and “made them look like puppets,” he said.

Read it all, if you have not done so already!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Dec 2009 14:16

From SUCH GUP of TFT

Slain sardar’s son

A Baloch political leader, son of the slain sardar, was invited to a talk show by a well-known host. When the Baloch accepted, he hadn’t bargained on the pro-establishment line of questioning and aggressive posture of the host. There was some bickering and robust argument on the show, to the detriment of the Baloch who felt he hadn’t had his say. He also felt that there was a lack of sympathy for the Baloch cause and when he tried to press his point, he was snubbed by the host. The sardar’s son did not kick up a fuss during the recording of the show but nursed his grudge. When he ran into the same talk show host at the airport, he marched up to him and slapped him across the face. “This is what you deserve for your insensitivity to our cause” he said. The host ran to the airport security staff and asked him to arrest the Baloch. The staff asked the Baloch for his name, whereupon they backed off and asked the host to drop the matter.

Out of their skins

Four young Pakistanis went to India for a week of fun and games, and to catch up with old friends. They say 45 minutes by air from Lahore, it was another world where they were able to attend art and craft exhibitions, plays at the theatre, music concerts and films in multiplex cinemas. They also went clubbing and partying and felt completely at ease and anonymous in the metropolis that is Delhi. One evening, they went to an event at the historic Qutb Minar on the outskirts of Delhi. The venue had been done to perfection with lights and props and flowers and elegant dining tables. At the conclusion of ceremonies, fireworks went off and the four Pakistanis simultaneously jumped out of their skins. The Indians sitting at the same table looked at them in horror. “Is everything alright?” asked their solicitous host. “Sorry” stammered the Pakistanis, “we thought a suicide bomber had struck”. There could have been no worse indictment of the kind of place Pakistan has become.

Inti vs Inzi

The fundos in the cricket establishment who’ve scored a major victory by getting the born-again MY appointed captain are now planning their next move. We hear the current coach, old Inti, isn’t pious enough for them. So, they’re trying to turn everyone against Inti and they want him ousted, to be replaced by none other than that arch fundo, Inzi. What religion has to do with a game is beyond us.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Dec 2009 14:27

NUGGETS
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Let Hillary rule Pakistan

Columnist Javed Chaudhry wrote in Express that Hillary Clinton went to Shahi Masjid, Allama Iqbal’s mausoleum and Government College University, where the rulers of Pakistan like Zardari and Gilani were never seen. If that was the case then Hillary Clinton should be ruling Pakistan.

Breaking our nuclear teeth

Great religious scholar Dr Israr Ahmad told Jinnah that crusades were on between the Christian West and the Muslims; and Pakistan was suffering disunity because of its wrong policies. Those who feared Islam wanted to break the nuclear teeth of Pakistan. The only hope was that awami inqilabi rela (wave of public revolution) will rise and set everything right.

NRO and KLB

Famous columnist Abdul Qadir Hasan wrote in Express that Pakistani rulers had made a lot of wealth and had been forgiven for it by the NRO, and are now looking forward to making more money out of the Kerry Lugar Act as a lot of American money will be up for grabs in the coming five years.

Three Musketeers of Pakistan

Writing in Jang Rauf Klasra stated that the Auditor General’s report before a parliamentary committee had revealed that three generals in charge of the National Logistics Cell (NLC) had invested Rs 4 billion belonging to the NLC in the Stock Exchange out of which Rs 2 billion had been lost so far. Calling the general the Three Musketeers of Pakistan, he reported that money was first invested from NLC profits and then the pension funds of the NLC employees too were thrown in.

America and Sinkiang

Opinion-writer Dr Matloob Hussain stated in Express that America and India were greatly upset that China was getting access to the region of South Asia through the Gwadar Port in Pakistan. Both have got together to prevent China from coming down to the Indian Ocean and have started local terrorism in the eastern Chinese province of Sinkiang while accusing Pakistan of doing the mischief, thus causing a rift between Pakistan and China.

NRO and blasphemy law

Quoted in Jang PPP spokesperson Ms Fauzia Wahab said that if the NRO was considered a black law how would the nation describe the blasphemy law and hudood ordinance. On this, Mufti Munib of the majority Barelvi sect said that comparing NRO with the law of Allah could be hurtful to the feelings of the Muslims.

Hillary and Balochistan

Columnist Abdullah Tariq Suhail wrote in Express that Hillary Clinton went home and said that she had found no proof that India was interfering in Pakistan but had found that Al Qaeda was present in Pakistan. The fact was that Pakistan had all the evidence of India’s interference in Balochistan but was waiting for an appropriate time to disclose it.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 Dec 2009 14:34

Paks say they have found the guy who was bumping off the brigadiers:

Mastermind of attacks on brigadiers held
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... diers-held

Published: December 03, 2009

ISLAMABAD - Law enforcement agencies have apprehended the alleged mastermind of attacks on serving Army brigadiers in the Federal Capital, sources informed on Wednesday.
The sources further disclosed that the accused was netted by law enforcement agencies when he was driving an International Committee of Red Cross (ICRC) vehicle. They informed that the arrested accused subedar (Retd) Zafar Iqbal had close links with Capt (Retd) Zaidi, owner of the Inter-Risk Security Company. They further disclosed that the accused was the main motivator for recruiting the retired servicemen in the Inter-Risk.
The sources further informed that the accused was the main facilitator of the three terrorist attacks on serving brigadiers, which took place in a period of less than 15 days a couple of month ago.
They said that the detained facilitator had confessed that he played a vital role while attacking army officers as he carried out monitoring activities of serving brigadiers and informed the attackers besides provided them with bikes and weapons. They informed that after all three attacks, Zafar Iqbal facilitated the attackers in fleeing the scene after completing operation by loading their bike on a private vehicle. The sources informed that it was yet to be ascertained whether someone inside the Red Cross was involved or the accused used fake number plate of Red Cross vehicles.

Terrorist attacks on military officers: main 'facilitator' arrested
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=9 ... =&supDate=
RECORDER REPORT

ISLAMABAD (December 01 2009): Law enforcement agencies (LEAs) have claimed to have arrested the main facilitator of the three terrorist attacks on military officers in Islamabad with links to foreign agencies. The detained facilitator, Subedar Zaffar Iqbal, a retired junior commissioned officer (JCO of SSG was arrested from G-6 sector of Islamabad, when he was driving an International Committee of Red Cross (ICRC) vehicle with the number plate ICRC 72-31, intelligence sources told Business Recorder on Monday.

They said that Zaffar has admitted that he was the main facilitator of the terrorist attacks on the three Brigadiers of Pakistan Army in Islamabad. He undertook surveillance of the three targets prior to planning the place and timing of the attacks. He subsequently got the terrorists in place, provided them with bike and ammunition, and, after successful completion of the attacks, ensured their getaway by loading the bike on a Hilux pickup, sources said.

Zaffar Iqbal was questioned about the ICRC vehicle, and he failed to give any satisfactory reply as to how he got access to the ICRC vehicle, sources said, adding that the relevant authorities are investigating whether the number plate of the vehicle is genuine or fake.

Concerned citizens in Islamabad are reporting almost daily to Islamabad police about some foreign nationals of western origin who are accused of moving in the capital with fake number plates. However, Islamabad Police and civil administration are helpless to stop them, said an official of Islamabad Police.

He said that some foreigners and their local employees have been accused of using diplomatic vehicles with fake number plates for 'nefarious activities' but the police are being ordered to stop as and when it takes notice of such movement/activities. Dutch diplomats and American diplomat were arrested, along with sophisticated weapons and hi-tech cameras, but were allowed to go after intervention from their diplomatic missions, he added.

Intelligence sources said that Zaffar Iqbal was under surveillance for a long time, and added that during the course of the investigation it was learnt that he was the main motivator for recruiting retired servicemen for 'Xe Services' (previous named Blackwater World-wide), which is operating under cover with Inter-Risk Security company. Sources said that during the investigation it was learnt that Zaffar Iqbal owns three plots in Bahria Town , one of the posh areas of the capital, and three more in Beharia Town in Lahore with several luxury vehicles. He is said to have close links with a top builder and developer of, and is a regular visitor to, Dubai.

Sources said that detained Zaffar Iqbal has close links with Captain (Retd) Zaidi, owner of Inter-Risk Security Agency which was raided on September 19 and a huge cache of unlicensed sophisticated weapons was impounded. Captain Zaidi, a retired officer of SSG was arrested from Islamabad office of his security company.

Inter-Risk security agency is a partner of the Dyncorp, an American contractor company providing logistic support to US forces in Afghanistan Sources said that Zaffar Iqbal retired from SSG in 1989. Sources informed this scribe that the Interior Ministry has taken serious note of the hiring of retired commandos and directed the Inspector General of Islamabad Police to investigate the matter and submit a report in two weeks.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 04 Dec 2009 14:36

VikasRaina wrote:Ya arrah! The half jumma day is over and still no IED Mubarak ?

Allah heard my whines. Jumma day activities are on.

Agencies reporting Gun fire and Explosion in Rawalpindi near Army HQ.

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 Dec 2009 14:48

Intelligence sources said that Zaffar Iqbal was under surveillance for a long time, and added that during the course of the investigation it was learnt that he was the main motivator for recruiting retired servicemen for 'Xe Services' (previous named Blackwater World-wide), which is operating under cover with Inter-Risk Security company. Sources said that during the investigation it was learnt that Zaffar Iqbal owns three plots in Bahria Town , one of the posh areas of the capital, and three more in Beharia Town in Lahore with several luxury vehicles. He is said to have close links with a top builder and developer of, and is a regular visitor to, Dubai.

Sources said that detained Zaffar Iqbal has close links with Captain (Retd) Zaidi, owner of Inter-Risk Security Agency which was raided on September 19 and a huge cache of unlicensed sophisticated weapons was impounded. Captain Zaidi, a retired officer of SSG was arrested from Islamabad office of his security company.

So, the Amrikis were behind the "miscreant" activities?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Dec 2009 14:54

sum wrote:
. . . Sources said that during the investigation it was learnt that Zaffar Iqbal owns three plots in Bahria Town , one of the posh areas of the capital, and three more in Beharia Town in Lahore with several luxury vehicles. . .

I am not surprise. He was a Subedar in the PA, wasn't he ? Is it not his 'entitlement' to these small luxuries ?

James B · Post by **James B** » 04 Dec 2009 14:54

AoA, Friday Fire works in Land of Pure

Blast in Rawalpindi

Police and ambulances were on their way to the blast’s site which has now been cordoned off by security personnel.

This is the second time that Qasim market has been attacked. The market is situated in a residential area which houses serving and retired military officials.