Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

[shiv]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 298869.cms

If there are any sane strategic thinkers in TTP/Al Qaida leadership then attacking India will be the next high priority task for them. It will serve lots of objectives : PA will be diverted to India, thus TTP/Al Qaida getting some breathing time to oraganise, the war will be between two Kufr states - Long time old Kufr state of India & recently turned less Kufr state of PA, NATO atention will get diverted, etc.

Good try.

But there is another simpler and more credible explanation. The Pakistani army itself, using the name "Al Qaeda/LeT" is trying to provoke war with India because it will:
1) Save the Paki army's ass in many ways

• a)They will no longer have to fight their ummah brothers in the west
  b)The US supply line will get screwed
  c)The US will ge desperate and intervene to save Pakistan and put pressure on India

2) War with India will unite many of the jihadi factions and the jobless armed guys who are now blowing themselves up will be used in an all out push against India that they cannot do now
3) Under the excuse of "war" and "emergency" the Pakistani army can use genocide against anyone who opposes them in Pakistan (eg Balochis)

It is the Pakistani army that has everything to gain in a war with India, because ina war only Pakistan gets defeated not the army, and only soldiers get killed not their bosses

The Times of India news is a stupid and naive one that does not understand Pakistan.

[Raju]

the only fact about Al-Qaeda that comes across clearly is that it is an Islamic bogey used by various govts to settle scores.

It is a sarkari organization used for covert ops. so I am amused when Americans use words like Al Qaeda joins cause with LeT.

So what is being implied here ? Pakistan joins cause with Pakistan or US joins cause with Pakistan to launch covert ops in India ?

[SwamyG]

The Times of India news is a stupid and naive one that does not understand Pakistan.

It could be:
1. They truly do not understand. They think it is a normal country.
2. They do not want to understand, because they are suspicious of the truth which in turn might force them to react differently.
3. News is a plant.
ps: Next time one meets a Bangladeshi, s/he needs to be reminded that it was good that they got out when the going was good (relatively speaking)

[sreeji]

Slain sardar’s son
When he ran into the same talk show host at the airport, he marched up to him and slapped him across the face. “This is what you deserve for your insensitivity to our cause” he said. The host ran to the airport security staff and asked him to arrest the Baloch. The staff asked the Baloch for his name, whereupon they backed off and asked the host to drop the matter.

My guess is this "well-known host" is Talat Hussain and Baloch leader is Jamil Akbar Bugti.
Talat Hussain with Jamil Akbar Bugti

The honorable host was actually lucman
Jamil Bugti slaps Mubashar Luqman at Lahore Airport

Lucman beats zaid hamid any time in low IQ propaganda videos dripping with pakistaniyat.
Video where lucman proves that AR Rahman was a Daleet who converted to Islam due to evil Hindoo atrocities

Warning: Low IQ content
The lucman's own sham

[sum]

Something quite stark stood out to me on this whole parade lane affair. Apparently Paki afsars wimmens were also attacked and a, they all survived w/o injury or b. their injury and death dosen't matter to the TFTA to be even be counted or reported.

I think it is b. Notice that only sons killed were reported.

It was a mosquee boss. No wimmens

Initial reports clearly mentioned the women's section of the mosque also being attacked....the women were apparently held by their hair and shot at.

The ISPR seems to be hiding lots of details for some reasons.

[SSridhar]

The Fear Factor

“It was the severest hail of bullets I have been under in my career as a soldier. They seemed to come from all directions, intense and unending. It felt like being in the siege of a whole battalion.” This is how a colonel described the attack on the General Headquarters (GHQ) on October 10 by a band of 10 terrorists.

Just like the army’s hunt for high-value targets, the terrorists too have their list of priorities. For them, hitting the GHQ was the equivalent of knocking out Baitullah Mehsud. And if they were able to hold hostage one or two top generals (who by some accounts were sitting a stone’s throw away, including the Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani), that would have approximated the government’s yet-to-be-achieved aim of capturing Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"The most important aim is to prove that a nuclear-armed country and its custodian force, the army, has a bleeding underbelly, and there is nothing it can do about it,” says a top-ranking military official in the NWFP.

“This is part of Operation Intiqam (revenge) that the Directorate of National Security (DNS) in Afghanistan has started against Pakistan at the behest of the Indian intelligence and possibly with the approval of the CIA station manager, because nothing [of this sort] happens in Afghanistan without the approval of the CIA,” says a senior security source.

“We are observing restraint in our reaction. We have the capability to retaliate [against foreign forces destabilising Pakistan], and at another time we would have, but now when foreign interests would want us to be further cornered and declared the source of all regional trouble, it is best to play down [their involvement in Pakistan],” says a high-ranking military

Every time terrorists succeed in the cities, the battle in Waziristan looks that much more remote and, for some even purposeless. This is the weakest link in Pakistan’s war against internal terrorists; something which the enemy knows all too well.

[anupmisra]

Hussain versus Musharraf: You decide who is the better singer

[AnantD]

Hussain versus Musharraf: You decide who is the better singer

Altaf Hussain! Mush is singing Kufr!

[Sri]

Sorry if this has been posted earlier.
India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

Commodore Uday Bhaskar, director of the National Maritime Foundation, a think-tank attached to the Indian navy, says the Pakistani military is still struggling to accept a strategic universe in which India is no longer its most dangerous enemy. "You get the sense that if [India] does not loom large as a threat, then the Pakistani military loses much of its raison d'etre as an institution," says Bhaskar.

[shiv]

Initial reports clearly mentioned the women's section of the mosque also being attacked....the women were apparently held by their hair and shot at.

The ISPR seems to be hiding lots of details for some reasons.

Ok - I seemed to have missed that.

[Anujan]

Blast in Peshawar kills at least three

Police said initially that a bomb had exploded near a fast food restaurant. Hours later two police officers and a local government official said it was an accidental blast.

‘We did not find any substance which indicated it was a bomb,’ said Peshawar police chief Liaqat Ali Khan.

Must be the vacuum and a bulb

I wonder what kind of bulb causes this:

[Singha]

a 10,000W bulb the size of a elephants head.

[shiv]

Call it a hunch. Call it a guess. And as usual, I suspect the Americans will be the last to guess that it is happening even if what I say appears in a 100 articles. But I believe the Pakistani Army afsar class have lost the loyalty of their men to the extent that their men WILL_NOT fight the so called Taliban. The same men may fight India with valor and conviction, but they will not follow orders to rout the Taliban.

In other words the Pakistani army goose is cooked. I will be watching for signs as to how the Paki army will try to wriggle out of this but some may be forced to fight when the Talibaniac tendencies start getting imposed in RAPE dominated areas. They will have to fight pure Islam and along with it Pakistaniyat.

In the long term there will have to be a delinking of mullahism from Pakistan.

[Mahendra]

Or may by ISI mark Surya bulb and Tubes

‘We did not find any substance which indicated it was a bomb,’ said Peshawar police chief Liaqat Ali Khan.

Meanwhile
There are limits to cooperation, Pakistan tells US

It said that for the first time, US officials are talking to Islamabad about the possibility of hitting Balochistan

“This has never been part of our discussions. There are clear red-lines as far as we’re concerned,” he said when asked if there were any talks between Washington and Islamabad on expansion of drone attacks to Balochistan.

“We have clearly conveyed our red-lines to them.”

[NikhilB]

But there is another simpler and more credible explanation. The Pakistani army itself, using the name "Al Qaeda/LeT" is trying to provoke war with India

Okay, this could be possibility. But in either case, we will be at loss. What should be our response if another attack is planned from paki soil. Going to war is not an option as that will unite all pakis again. That leaves only option of diplomatic coercing as we've been doing since 26/11...and we haven't achieved much yet.

There hasn't been single attack since 26/11. Is it becasue our intelligence is improved remarkedly during this time or is it becasue ISI/PA/LeT is busy blowing up their own people or busy trying to prevent these, though miserably unsuccessful..?

[shiv]

Meanwhile
There are limits to cooperation, Pakistan tells US

Ah - but there are no limits to US generosity! They will keep giving money.

[shiv]

Okay, this could be possibility. But in either case, we will be at loss. What should be our response if another attack is planned from paki soil. Going to war is not an option as that will unite all pakis again. That leaves only option of diplomatic coercing as we've been doing since 26/11...and we haven't achieved much yet.

India has no easy options.

[NikhilB]

Raju wrote:
Al-Qaeda is that section of jihadi or ISI puppets who are supportive of CIA or are agreeable to do their work.

I am afraid. Are we too going into too many conspiracy theories, a disease fully spread into pakis, while it could be more obvious and simpler. Agree that Al-Qaeda is section of ISI, but then assumming them to be supporting of CIA does not make sense, to me at least. Why would US then spend billions, loose their people, drain other resources if Al-Qaeda/taliban are supported by them, though in past CIA created them.

[sunilUpa]

a 10,000W bulb the size of a elephants head.

You kufrs fail to understand that bakistani vacuum and bulb are 400% more powerfool than SDRE yindu bulbs..

[Raju]

The ISPR seems to be hiding lots of details for some reasons.

because it will only serve to show up the real nature of people who call themselves 'true muslims' ?

maybe 'real muslims' do not have a lot of respect for wimmens except as tools to settle disputes through barter between tribes and to satisfy lust. And this aspect is sought to be hidden from the rest of the world though the Pakistan army is fighting the taliban.

[Raju]

Raju wrote:
Al-Qaeda is that section of jihadi or ISI puppets who are supportive of CIA or are agreeable to do their work.

I am afraid. Are we too going into too many conspiracy theories, a disease fully spread into pakis, while it could be more obvious and simpler. Agree that Al-Qaeda is section of ISI, but then assumming them to be supporting of CIA does not make sense, to me at least. Why would US then spend billions, loose their people, drain other resources if Al-Qaeda/taliban are supported by them, though in past CIA created them.

ISI isn't independent of CIA except in the regional context. ISI doesn't have any independent policy making mandate outside the subcontinent. As Rahul Mehta once said on BR, ISI doesn't even use toilet paper without Unkil's consent.

ISI/Pakistan Army is an american/british foreign policy tool to restrain India and destabilize the region. It is part of the anglo-saxon policy for the region, there is a near perfect alignment of ISI with wider american foreign policy objectives for the region including destabilization of India. US has spoken a lot in favor of India and democracy but it has acted only in it's geo-political interests and it is singularly responsible for keeping TSPA afloat and armed. Let us judge them by how they act, rather than by what they talk.

[anishns]

Notice the no. of Abduls who have "crossed" the do not cross line

[anupmisra]

Notice the no. of Abduls who have "crossed" the do not cross line

That yellow tape is for western consumption. The supposed message is "our paki forensic and police standards are equal to that in the west". Same as when "posed" photos of pooki soldiers with bullet proof vests, baseball caps and SLRs pointed downwards are posted on the internet.

[Karan Dixit]

We have to get out of mindset of 'statu quo' with respect to Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Because, as long as there is Pakistan, someone is ready to use it at the expense of India, e.g. USA, China, etc. Since Islamic Republic of Pakistan has demonstrated that it does not want to coexist peacefully, a strategy has to be formulated on how to finish Pakistan as a menace to the Indian subcontinent.

[RamaY]

Gentlemen,though this take overlaps the Af-Pak scenario,the fundamental epicentre of our problems in the region lies with Pak,therefore this piece.

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Philip-ji,
Great analysis! This problem has multiple dimensions.

First dimension is IM population – I have observed (and my friends) that the visual separation of IMs is happening in all states. We observed it in Andhra, Tamilnadu, and Karnataka. I see this transition in US too. India has to come up some innovative ideas to address this issue because IM’s alienation is neither in the interest of IMs or rest of the society.

Second dimension is Indian sub-continent – This impacts the non-muslim minorities in Indian sub-continent and create large scale migrations at some point. In the worst case scenario, India will be dragged in to these muslim/non-muslim conflicts outside its borders in near future.

Thirdly the Pakistan problem – On its own it is nothing more than a nuisance. But the so-called strategic partners use Pakistan to influence and control Indian growth as we all know. Since India cannot take these powers directly, it has to live with this pain-in-the-a$$. Or it has to create a situation, grave enough, that forces India to march west wards and create its own buffer zones.

IMHO, all these issues reach their critical mass in next 10-25 years. It might be cost-effective for India to take some pre-emptive steps so the future conflicts are averted at best, or delay’s the critical moment by 10-20 years so India can build the necessary political/economic/industrial/technological/military wherewithal to face the final conflict.

[krisna]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=92853

We live and die for the glory of Islam and Pakistan: COAS

Our faith, resolve and pride in our religion and in our country is an asset, which is further reinforced after each terrorist incident .

[RamaY]

Initial reports clearly mentioned the women's section of the mosque also being attacked....the women were apparently held by their hair and shot at.

The ISPR seems to be hiding lots of details for some reasons.

If their hair was visible in a mosque, then they are non-islamic.

[Dipanker]

The Times of India news is a stupid and naive one that does not understand Pakistan.

It could be:
1. They truly do not understand. They think it is a normal country.
2. They do not want to understand, because they are suspicious of the truth which in turn might force them to react differently.
3. News is a plant.
ps: Next time one meets a Bangladeshi, s/he needs to be reminded that it was good that they got out when the going was good (relatively speaking)

Pakis must be truly missing their other "strategic deapth" Bangladesh! (earstwhile East Pakistan). If this whole TTP thing had happened say 40 years ago, they (Pakjabis) would have had the option of running to East Pakistan to save their lives, now they are stuck and are being owned by the pure-er TTP pashtuns who have been ordained to clean the Pureland from less pure filth masquerading as faithfuls. Only the purest will do, more Islam please!

[anupmisra]

Yawn Edit: US struggles to get Pakistan policy right
That's right. Blame your benefactor.

WASHINGTON: The Obama administration may be putting out a fire in Afghanistan, but the dynamite factory is next door in nuclear-armed Pakistan, commented Democratic lawmaker Gary Ackerman this week.

He forgot to add that the factory is manned by monkeys.

'My constituents keep asking? Is it worth risking the lives of those who respond to the fire in a place that may or may not hold a lot of value in and of itself,' Ackerman, a US congressman from New York, told Obama's defense and diplomatic chiefs.

Is Ackerman admitting that the land of the pure is worthless?

'It is a very delicate balancing act,' said Riedel, now with the Brookings Institution think tank. 'You don't change Pakistan's strategic behavior very easily. It is not something that will change in the course of months or years,' he added.

Classic waffling:

The Pakistanis are rattled by what the United States is doing in Afghanistan, with contradictory positions of not wanting a 'surge' of 30,000 more US forces across the border while also fearing Washington will withdraw too quickly and destabilize the region further. 'So they don't want us to surge or leave, but they also don't want to do more to make America and Nato policy in Afghanistan more likely of any sort of success,' said Robert M. Hathaway, director of the Asia program at the Wilson Center, another Washington-based think tank.

Hey! Just send more money. Everything will be OK.

For example a proposed $7.5 billion non-military US aid package has been met with bountiful suspicion, particularly from the army, which says it comes with too many conditions. 'They don't seem to want a strategic relationship. They want the money, they want the equipment, but at the end of the day they don't want a relationship that costs them too much,' said Democratic Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey.

[sanjaykumar]

I am beginning to wonder if RAW/CIA is not behind the devastating assaults on the PA in Pakistani cities. Given the history of these organisations it is not implausible.

The attacks make much sense for Amerindia but this is in fact counter-productive, for the TTP and the PA are ideological cousins. The PA will be ready to re-engage TTP once American pressure is off. PA is very much able to take on the TTP if motivated enough.

[Gagan]

While anything is possible and nothing is impossible, in Pakistan's case as in any other, consider that the obvious and the more common things will occur more commonly.

Pakistan is an impoverished uneducated heavily armed area, where the relationship between people is fractious. There is a class and culture and religious clash underway. Their holy books recommend that it is acceptable to settle issues with violence.

I would for one love it if India was involved, sadly I don't see any proof of that there.

[A_Gupta]

A collection of TSP editorials
http://www.juancole.com/2009/12/osc-pak ... afpak.html

[shaardula]

They can and have declared non-Wahabis as Kuffars. But so far, no Deobandi or Barelvi or Sufi or Shia or ahmediya or Bahai people have dared to declare Wahabism as Kufr and un-Islamic. The power structure, along with separation of Abdul and Ayesha from ability to think rationally, gives propagation of Deobandi and Wahabi forms of Islam maximum mileage. Most of others are already enlisted as Kaafirs and are on target list of suicide bombers eager to meet their 72 in paradise. This is because, deep down, every Mullah knows, that he cannot defeat the Wahabi interpretation of Quran as Non-Islamic unless Quran is reformed, which is not allowed. Hence it seems that deobandis will have to merge in with Wahabis or become as fanatic as Wahabis.

Thanks. Sort of an an 'aha'. Had heard similar things but never put it in this this way. Doesnt this apply to sunni in general.

[Gagan]

I think no one in pakistan is serious about that country's future. Everyone there is biding their time and waiting for deliverance from the current gridlocked system that they are living in.

The people who have their hands in the cookie jar, the Pakjabs, are possibly making their last ditch efforts to deflect the attention of the mango pakistani from the sad state of affairs.
1. For the desperately poor and uneducated - there is religion and Jihad.
2. For the middle classes and the youth, there are the wild stories spun by the likes of Jahil Hamid.
The more outrageous the story the more engaging it is in that society, keeps people busy for a little while longer, while the prosperous RAPEs make do with all the monies of the sinking ship.

If they were at all serious about nation building, quite apart from being capable of nation building, they would indulge in some serious self introspection and rid themselves of their self made ills. It is very telling that they are just not making any effort to rectify the situation they are in with any seriousness - the effort and the energy is directed at blaming all under the sun on others and keeping the mango people busy.

The US is not going to rid the pakistanis of the TTP which will continue to attack them with frequent IED mubaraks. At some point some higher lexicon will be crossed, and the Pakjabi terror boys (The LETs and HUJIs) will join in the bloodbath, with the pak fauj in the middle. A state of total civil war.

If the quetta shura gets taken out, things will go very bad for the PPP which is in power and specially for Zardari. And if OBL himself gets caught or killed, all hell will break loose within Pakistan - there will be a bloodbath between people - impure and pure and purer all on a killing spree. The end of Pakistan as we know it.

[anupmisra]

I think no one in pakistan is serious about that country's future.

Kufr, have you forgotten Zaid Hamid (pbuh), the future mahdi? His coming will mark the start of a new glorious paki era.

[Ananya]

if there is massive blood bath in PAK it would be disastrus for India as all these would land up in India as refugees.

[Mahendra]

if there is massive blood bath in PAK it would be disastrus for India as all these would land up in India as refugees.

Well We've heard that before. Let the festivities begin, baki sab dekha jayega
For now I wish Pak Fauj and Taliban all the best against each other

One less Bakistani is that much more oxygen saved

[Bhima]

I am beginning to wonder if RAW/CIA is not behind the devastating assaults on the PA in Pakistani cities. Given the history of these organisations it is not implausible.

Apologies if this video has already been posted and although I strongly disagree with the points made here I do think it is worth considering.

[A_Gupta]

A quote from a letter from salon.com, by one ondelette, trying to explain just how things stand.

The situation is complicated, but not impossible. The U.S. cannot have any opinion on the issue of Kashmir without being accused of taking a side, and will likewise be suspected of taking a side for having no opinion, too.

India is in the equation in some of the ways mentioned in the articles macgupta pointed to, and the Pakistan position on the Afghan Taliban (the distinction was made between the two Taliban originally by a Pakistani author and it is one that should largely be paid attention to by all parties, even when the groups overlap) is pretty accurately assessed in both India and Pakistan, and Afghanistan and to some extent in Iran and the West. Pakistan is worried about an Indian regional hegemony (this is both a sometimes legitimate worry, and a paranoia, and a means of scaring the population to divert attention from other problems or corruption). Pakistan nurtured and supported the Taliban in their first bid on power in the 1990s for this reason. Pakistan currently nurtures them in a somewhat schizophrenic manner. On the one hand, they had harbored them so they could retake Afghanistan and return to the status quo ante when the Americans left, which Pakistan thought would be in a year or two. When it wasn't, they encouraged the insurgency against the U.S. to get it to leave. But on the other hand, if America and its allies stay and seem to be in control of Afghanistan, then India isn't, and Pakistan would be willing to end the nurturing. But on the third hand (obviously something is now wrong with this picture), President Obama increasing the troops plays well in Pakistan to the extent that they accused the Americans of closing bases on the border to allow India and Israel to infiltrate in support of the Pakistani Taliban, with whom the Pakistanis are at war. And on the fourth hand, the deadline in the speech looks like America is going to abandon the region again, so there is a need to ramp up the Taliban in case that happens. On the fifth hand, they are fighting an unrelated insurgency in Balochistan, and Americans here in America keep talking about Balochistan, but mean Quetta, where the Afghan Taliban are headquartered.

So it looks as if Pakistan needs a ten-armed Durga to deal with their problems and make sense out of their world view, but she's a Hindu and is probably working for RAW.

[Nandu]

Did anybody save the youtube videos from the parade lane mosque attack?