Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Dec 2009 20:09

Avinash R wrote:the Pakistani contingent not only debated and put across their views on jurisprudence, but took away a few points when it came to comparing city life in Lahore and Bangalore.

One motorma put it this way:

Faiza Ahsan, for instance, expressed her disappointment about the absence of a night life in Indian cities. “India closes by 9 pm,” she said.

Obviously one city makes a nation complete by method of extrapolation. Ma'am, how about those post 9:00 PM "dhamakas" which you call night life that keep you up worrying all night? Let's talk about day life. Can you walk out in the public after 5:00 PM and bare those arms in the fair city of L'Whore?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 06 Dec 2009 21:24

Sorry if this is already posted -- Some how I don't find it "tiresome"!

Tiresome and wholly unnecessary is how we would describe the American complaints about Pakistan’s alleged reluctance to act against Al Qaeda militants taking refuge on Pakistani soil. On a day that Pakistan Army officers and their family members were brutally attacked in Rawalpindi, the US consul general in Peshawar thought it fit to allege that the leadership, or some elements thereof, of Al Qaeda, in addition to the Afghan Taliban, has taken refuge in Balochistan and that the authorities here know of their presence in the province. Let us be clear: few could rationally argue that there are no Afghan Taliban or Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan, including Balochistan. Such is the terrain along the Pak-Afghan border that sanctuaries and other hiding spots are easily found.

From: Dawn

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 06 Dec 2009 22:05

Who would have thought that going to mosque will be the most dangerous occupation in the land of pure and pious!

occupational hazard

BAJAUR: A bomb blast outside a mosque in Pakistan’s tribal district of Bajaur on Sunday killed two anti-Taliban tribal elders and wounded two others, police and intelligence officials said.

The blast struck in Malangi village, about 30 kilometres northwest of Khar, the main town of Bajaur, which borders Afghanistan and was the focus of a recent operation against Islamist insurgents.

‘Two tribesmen were killed and two were injured in the blast. The bomb was planted outside a mosque,’ Fazal Rabbi, deputy chief of tribal police in Bajaur, told AFP by telephone.

An intelligence official in the area confirmed the incident and said that both the tribesmen were respected elders who spoke out against the Taliban.—AFP

bart · Post by **bart** » 06 Dec 2009 22:09

anupmisra wrote:Remember those Motorbike MotorMas that porkiland had recruited to become traffic cops? They have, er..., vanished.

Where have all female traffic officers gone?

At first they were a source of delight for women and curiosity for men (especially porkis who were used to staring at goats)

ROFL...that is a gem.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Dec 2009 23:31

Dozens of militants attack Pakistan army checkpoint

WANA: Up to 40 militants attacked an army checkpoint, killing one soldier, a security official said on Saturday, after suicide bombers and gunmen killed dozens at a mosque near Pakistan’s military headquarters.
Soldiers at the checkpoint on a bridge in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, retaliated after coming under fire on Friday night, said the security official.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 07 Dec 2009 00:15

AoA who says Purelanders cannot learn from the world.
10% could do a Putin to become PM

Washington With rumours swirling about his status and ultimate fate, Asif Ali Zardari could well do a Vladimir Putin and step down as Pakistan's President to become the prime minister, a media report said.

Quoting a Pakistani source, the US-based 'Foreign Policy' magazine reported Zardari could "pull a Putin" whereby he cedes power to the prime minister and then, as head of his party, makes a ploy to have himself elected to that post.

However, it's unclear how successful such a ploy might be, the magazine said.

In fact, since late last month, calls for Zardari to step down have increased following the release of a list of names of politicians who benefited from a National Reconciliation Ordinance and the November 28 expiration of the amnesty he received under that agreement.

The beneficiaries were never a secret. Whay all this shor-sharaba?
Pull of the trigger could be one reason. Hain?

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Dec 2009 02:04

Raju wrote: Oil in the middle-east was discovered in the 40s. The powers that be calculated that India was at the mouth of this oil wealth and would gain tremendously.

thus the creation of Pakistan.
neatly cutting off India's land access to ME.

Yes, quite right.

The Truman administration and Attlee governments were *far* more worried about Nehru's India than Stalin's Soviet Union!!

An India, that unlike Ireland, or Boer controlled South Africa, chose to remain in the Commonwealth, an India which maintained liaison with MI5, and which retained Mountbatten as Governor-General.

Mid East oil was first struck by the British in southern Iran in the 1910s. Keeping the Soviet Union from annexing Iran, and preventing the communists take over was always the first priority.

Even in the 1980s when Khomeini's goons were chanting 'death to America', and Hezbollah was blowing up US embassies in Lebanon and hijacking flights, the US when forced to chose preferred Khomeini to the Soviets, supplying lists of Tudeh members to the regime.

Of course, I'm sure that was also aimed at containing India.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 07 Dec 2009 02:05

vishwakarmaa wrote: Good question.

Because USA pretends to be a messiah of democratic world and it needs valid reasons to wage wars, invade countries and have military presence in purposefully "destablized" regions(funds rouge regims, elements through CIA) to spread its influence on future power centers in Asia, Middle East and every corner of world.

That's how it got access to Iraqi Oil wells. Where are WMD's? "Democracy" was only an excuse to invade Iraq. This is not conspiracy but reality. For naive people, anything outside CNN,BBC is conspiracy.

Right now, Bush or Fobama doesn't matter, there is consensus within USA that its in American interest to keep an anti-Indian Nuclear army alive in Sub-continent, at any cost. China and USA have common missions in this respect. USA can afford a powerful China but it can't afford powerful China+ "unchecked" powerful India. Pak Army is a "check" on India.

I think its high time to have :are u crazy: smiley.

Many naive people think USA is some kind of saint. Read about how USA funded separatists, anti-Indian movements in Kashmir since 1950's and geopolitics behind India-POK-Caucasian Oil routes.

u are confusing coldwar with anti-india stuff

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If USA was really interested about "democracies" then they should have funded Afghan Army rather than funding ISI sponsored militia to fight with Russia. Clearly, the purpose was to install puppet warlords in Afghan and not bringing democracy into region. But, common sense is not so common and elites miss to see such simple things. Rather, they outsource "analysis" and "thinking" job to CNN, BBC analysts and believe their words.

cold-war, does it ring any bells???? anyways Afghan army at that time was in bed with soviets, so there goes ur pagalzamidisque idea.

If Americans are interested in a democratic world, as they pretend to be, then they should first sell a few F-16's to democratic government of Afghanistan and train their Army, airforce. That will restore power-balance in the region, and will ensure stability in region. But they won't do it. You know why. Because Karzai is not American puppet and he will use those planes to push US army out of his country. And, not to mention, what will happen to (American state)Pakistan thereafter.

karzai is a well known pro-american president.

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Dec 2009 02:11

Yup, a reality check is always good.

The world does not revolve around you. Not everything is about you

is an important fact to realize. It brings in the much needed humility amidst all the hot air.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Dec 2009 02:18

Suppiah wrote:I dont know whether some animals are happy are not about this fauji 72-despatch, but it was not long ago that Pakbarians were proud of their army and it was supposedly the only institution that is trusted and respected by them and so on...now an incident like this has barely raised eyebrows and if you go by News editorial, even mullah rabid dogs, traditional allies of the army, have not barked against it.

The decline of the 'proud institution' shows how much TSP has traveled these years, all of it downhill of course...does anyone still believe that Mushy-rat is not a RAW agent

Well said.

There are only three possible ways the PA can retain 'honour and dignity' among its people

- To *really* go after the Pakiban and crush them, without any prodding from the West
- To break with America
- To fight a war with India.

All three of these are too expensive for the opportunists who run the PA. Instead they're halfheartedly fighting the Pakiban, while blaming India and the US for supporting the Pakiban.

The problem is that even the peoples of Pakistan believe the rumours, the PA still looks weak and ineffectual.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Dec 2009 02:31

SSridhar wrote:Seriously, the Punjab government of Shehbaz Sharif is living in denial for long.

There's no other way to describe it.

Whether or not there is press coverage in the West and India of whats going on in South Punjab, the war is coming there just as surely as it came to Waziristan or Malakand or Islamabad-Rawalpindi.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Dec 2009 03:47

Suppiah wrote:does anyone still believe that Mushy-rat is not a RAW agent

I will have to say this, but several of Pakistan's top politicians seem to be RAW agents.
They have to have that support against their fauj. Ever since ZA Bhutto met his 72, the netas there fear a redux.

India is the only source of insider info for most of these netas. The culinary institute of africa can't be trusted because it is in bed with the Generals too. BB for sure got info from India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Dec 2009 04:06

U.S. Sees Weakening for Zardari

"We don't depend on Zardari as the government, a la Musharraf," said a senior U.S. official working on Pakistan.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Dec 2009 06:40

Shine a little

The calls to ‘do more’ come at us from all sides. One of the calls to ‘do more’ emanating from the east relates to the Mumbai attack and our alleged failure to respond appropriately to it by prosecuting in Pakistan those said to be involved. But prosecute we have, and seven people are now on trial in an ant-terrorist court being held in a high-security prison facing charges filed on November 25. In one sense at least the Indians are right. The ‘do more’ we seem to be failing to do is to tell the people of Pakistan what it is that we are doing, and specifically what it is that those now on trial are charged with. It is a foreign news agency that has obtained details of the charges and published them on its website – and they make interesting reading. Far from being wishy-washy or ill-defined the charges are detailed and highly specific and run to ten pages – and what is perhaps more interesting is that the government prosecutors would not have gone ahead with the case unless they thought they could make the charges stick.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Dec 2009 06:44

India’s reality check ---- Asif Ezdi

But a more plausible explanation is that the Bush initiative on India ignored two hard geopolitical realities. First, that India is not in the same league as China and is not getting there anytime soon. Second, that Pakistan-India rivalry is the most fundamental and tenacious fact of life in South Asia, around which much else in the region revolves. The hyphen will not go away just because it might be inconvenient for some.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Dec 2009 07:11

http://www.youtube.com/user/NamastePakistan

Pakistani Minorities (Hindu) Buddhist,Sikh ... Voice

-This page has been established with the int ention of being a common "meeting place" for Pakistani Hindus and those who have an interest in Pakistan's ancient culture.
We also wish to provide resources which members of the community may find useful.

Introducing Pakistani Hindus
WHO IS PAKISTANI HINDU ?

A Pakistani Hindu is a person who professes faith in the principles of the holy Vedas.Pakistani Hindu culture is the world's oldest culture and it is the indigenous culture of Pakistan.

Pakistani Hindus speak a multitude of languages that reflect their cultural heritage and their geographical location. Baluchi, Pashto,Sindhi and Panjabi are the most common languages spoken by a significant proportion of the Pakistani Hindu community. Hindus in Pakistan make barely 2% of the total population, roughly 3 million people.Hindus are mainly concentrated in the Province of Sindh where they form around nearly 8% of the population.

(Pakistan's Vedic community has an ancient culture going back tens of thousands of years. Pakistani Hindus have a lot to be proud of and listed below are only some aspects of the rich heritage of Pakistani Hindus)

*Mohanjodaro, one of the world's oldest city was designed and inhabited by the ancestors of Pakistan's Hindus and was abandoned 5000 years ago due to a change in the flow of the Sarasvati river.The United Nations has recognised the importance and significance of this city.

*Takshashila (Taxila) is the world's oldest standing University and is located near Rawalpindi. Students from as far as China came to obtain a religious based education. The city was established by Bhagvan Shri Ramchandra's brother, Shri Bharat ji.

*The city of Lahore was named after Bhagvan Shri Ramchandra's son, Shri Lav. According to archaeologists, a significant amount of the construction of the present day Lahorekot (Lahore fort) was constructed by the government of the ancient Hindu kingdom of Singhapura.

*The name Peshawar is derived from the Sanskrit name for it which is Pushpapur - the city of flowers.

*The holy Shri Ramayan was written by the Saint Shri Valmiki ji north of Wagah in Punjab over 15,000 years ago.

*The Sindhu River (incorrectly known as the Indus River) is holy to Pakistani Hindus for many reasons AND Sarasvati River has beeen holy to Pakistani Hindus for over ten thousand years and is mentioned many times in the holy Rig Veda.

*The traditional name for Charsadda in the North West Frontier Province is Pushkalavati - City of the Lotus and was founded by the younger brother of Bhagvan Shri Ramchandra ji - Shri Bharat ji.

Iran
Hinduism in Iran has a history stretching back to the middle ages.

Prior to the Iranian Revolution of 1979, many Hindu-based missions such as the International Society for Krishna Consciousness and Transcendental meditation, had locations in Iran. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada traveled to Tehran in March 1975 and August 1976.

Out of Iran's population of 68,017,860, there are 68,017 recorded Hindus, making them 0.1% of the total population (The percentage of Hindu population of Iran was taken from the United States Department of State's International Religious Freedom Report 2004.)

Iran's fastest-growing faith seems to be Hinduism of the New-Age guru variety. (Buddhism comes a close second). Sathya Sai Baba, Rajneesh, Mahesh Yogi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar are familiar figures in middle class drawing rooms. For many in the elite, Yoga is far more important than Haj.

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 07 Dec 2009 07:15

Amber G. wrote:^^^^^While ex-VCOAS has fractured hand... from one report (Ispr.gov.pk press release):
19. Child Hashim

This "child" is related to a physics TA at my uni.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=184791497503

Child?!

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 07 Dec 2009 07:18

The axis of trouble Yousuf Nazar, The Dawn
Saturday, 05 Dec, 2009
We missed this one?
He nearly seems to get it but in the end gives into hope! Some of his views are quite interesting!

Pakistan’s biggest tragedy and the principal reason for its break-up was and has been the axis of trouble between America, Pakistan’s army, and the religious parties.
Until and unless the axis is broken, neither the reconstruction of the Pakistani state nor the so-called democratisation of Pakistan will bring peace or prosperity to the latter’s 170 million people

From Ayub to Kayani, there is not a single army chief who can claim to have pursued Pakistan’s strategic interests independent of US goals in the region

The ugly reality is that the business of the state and politics has become a mafia enterprise with the usual mix of big money (read business, drugs, land) interests and crime.

But when he gets here, he loses the plot -

Many developing countries have passed through this phase. But the will of the people ultimately triumphs. So Pakistanis must not despair.

His first two statements are okay, but the third is not. He does not factor the anti Indianism and Political Islamism that have been the staple of the narrative (NeP, Pakistan ka matlab kya et al). None of the developing countries that came out of such a phase had these to contend with!
A good read nevertheless!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Dec 2009 07:52

Editorial: Drone attacks in Balochistan

...Starting from the Cold War when we helped the US counter communism, we have remained a dependent country. Our economic as well as military funding is dependent on the goodwill of the sole superpower. As for drone attacks, some time ago, a Google Earth image of the Shamsi airbase in Balochistan was uncovered. It showed that the US was secretly flying unmanned drones from there. Though both the Americans and the Pakistanis have denied that Washington ever used Pakistani bases for drone attacks, the image — which was later removed — clearly demonstrated that the US was operating a drone base from Pakistan itself. The hue and cry about sovereignty is just for public consumption. The Americans could not have built a drone base on Pakistani soil without the knowledge of those in power. The drone attacks cannot be carried out from within the country without the complicity of the authorities. One can sympathise with this government because it inherited this legacy from Musharraf, but one cannot deny the facts on the ground. The government has to pretend for reasons politic that the unwritten agreement does not exist, but Governor Magsi has let the cat out of the bag. It is high time that the government also comes clean. If truth be told, these drone attacks are beneficial for Pakistan’s sovereignty as they are successful in knocking out militants who pose a danger to Pakistan’s security. .......

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Dec 2009 08:05

The pakistanis are blaming the Umreekans for the Army Masjid attack.
http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=6550

Watch Ahmed Qureshi, Jaahil Hamid and Shrill madam in action.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 07 Dec 2009 08:49

Re: the daily whines editorial pgbhat posted above.

Pakis, if they want to make any progress in their strategic objectives, need to give up this whine about America using and discarding them like a condom. Pakistan never helped America going against their own self interests. In fact, the eviction of Soviet Union from Afghanistan was more of an immediate need for Pakistan than for America, so it is arguable that America helped Pakistan rather than vice versa.

And similar resentments are being built up today because Pakis refuse to acknowledge the simple truth that the fight against the Taliban is in their own interest, instead blaming America for bringing the war into their country.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Dec 2009 08:50

^^^
Interesting intro by Ahmed Qureshi claiming that Gilani is showing the finger to Gordon Brown, for the first time a pakistani leader is showing a finger and is standing firm and tall.

May I add that the brits have sent this picture in response to pakistanis using begging as a state policy:

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 07 Dec 2009 08:57

Benis and this thread beginning to sound uncannily similar

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 07 Dec 2009 09:01

Joke of the century..No paki whine as usual....

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ng--szh-07

Indians’ presence at Siachen causes rapid glacier melting
By Khalee Kiani

ISLAMABAD: Glacial lakes have started forming in the Siachen region because of global warming and India’s military presence, posing serious risk to Pakistan’s future food security, according to Pakistani experts.

Director-General of Pakistan Meteorological Department Dr Qamaruz Zaman Chaudhry told Dawn here on Sunday that both countries should take steps to ensure that the Himalayan glaciers were not disturbed.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ng--szh-07

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 07 Dec 2009 09:10

The surge in troops is for Pakistan, not Afghanistan

It is not possible for President Obama to declare a surge against Pakistan. After all, we are allies, and we are not supposed to be fighting on their soil. Why did it take so long to finally endorse the troops requested by General McChrystal?

So as everyone continues the conversation about President Obama's war in Afghanistan, we may want to pause and read between the lines{and links}.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Dec 2009 09:10

posing serious risk to Pakistan’s future food security, according to Pakistani experts.

What is the matter with these guys? They are supposed to eat grass. They cannot even grow grass sufficiently?

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 07 Dec 2009 09:17

sab natak hai. These pigs were the ones whining about india stopping water. Now when india is going to give them enough water to drown themselves they will cry about that too.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Dec 2009 09:20

Nandu wrote:
Pakis, if they want to make any progress in their strategic objectives, need to give up this whine about America using and discarding them like a condom. Pakistan never helped America going against their own self interests. In fact, the eviction of Soviet Union from Afghanistan was more of an immediate need for Pakistan than for America, so it is arguable that America helped Pakistan rather than vice versa..

Nandu - I believe the Pakis see it like this "We Pakis helped you the US to defeat the USSR. But you did not keep up your side of the promise and help us defeat India. You forgot us after the USSR was defeated"

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Dec 2009 09:25

Worse still 'You - the US - have made India a strategic partner!!!'

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 07 Dec 2009 09:26

vavinash wrote:Joke of the century..No paki whine as usual....

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ng--szh-07

Indians’ presence at Siachen causes rapid glacier melting
By Khalee Kiani

ISLAMABAD: Glacial lakes have started forming in the Siachen region because of global warming and India’s military presence, posing serious risk to Pakistan’s future food security, according to Pakistani experts.

I first thought that this was a spoof.
If nothing else the hot air being passed by pakistan is causing global warming

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Dec 2009 09:27

Jarita wrote:Benis and this thread beginning to sound uncannily similar

Reflecting the current rality of pukistan becoming purer by day in day out. This Friday the pious killed the pure in holy mosque. This is the natural evolution. Mehdi arrives when this thread merges with Benis thread

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Dec 2009 09:30

Looks like Mr 10 percenti's goose is cooked. That show by Ahmed Qureshi had the usual paki ramblings, but the only significant thing in there was that Gilani's image was shamelessly built up.
The even suggested that the Xe/BW/Dynacorp is there to prevent the coup.

So what's going to happen?

Gilani as Sadar-e-azam
Zardari as Wazir-e-azam? or Zardari as lamppost-e-azam?
or the middle path, Zardari as exile-e-vilayat-e-azam?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Dec 2009 09:31

vavinash wrote:Joke of the century..No paki whine as usual....

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ng--szh-07

Indians’ presence at Siachen causes rapid glacier melting
By Khalee Kiani

ISLAMABAD: Glacial lakes have started forming in the Siachen region because of global warming and India’s military presence, posing serious risk to Pakistan’s future food security, according to Pakistani experts.

Next Pakis will say

Indian troops should stop firing at non-state actors entering India as it will cause global warming.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 07 Dec 2009 09:35

wrt to the recent mosque bombimg in pindi... did you guys notice how many children of serving army officers were praying at the mosque... compare this with the thought of children of service officers going to the mandir....!! i have stayed almost 18 years in cantts and i cant remember any one of my friends going to the mandir ... i mean if someone was seen in the mandir, he would be an object of ridicule and general mirth !!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Dec 2009 09:38

All of them preparing for future careers in the Pak Fauj (At least the ones who's dads are not connected enough to send them off to UQ / Amreeka)

Since survival and career advancement in the Pak Fauj is based on a sense of Islamic fervor, these guys are in training for future careers.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Dec 2009 10:22

Arrey Bhai, Masjid used to be the only safe hang out place for these Kids. After all you never know when a KFC would go up in smoke and when a Mc-D would have vacuum explosion.
Wonder how many kids of current Army officer would chose to go in Army when their dead Daddy has amassed enough money to last couple of life times in Londonistan.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 07 Dec 2009 11:32

BBC obtains Pakistan's charges against Mumbai accused

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8394554.stm

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 11:37

manjgu wrote:wrt to the recent mosque bombimg in pindi... did you guys notice how many children of serving army officers were praying at the mosque... compare this with the thought of children of service officers going to the mandir....!! i have stayed almost 18 years in cantts and i cant remember any one of my friends going to the mandir ... i mean if someone was seen in the mandir, he would be an object of ridicule and general mirth !!

There is nothing wrong in going to a place of worship especially when the Army that the Dad serves in has the motto like 'Iman, Taqwah, Jihad-fi-Sabilillah'.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Dec 2009 12:02

Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad”

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Dec 2009 13:26

Purity in action again..outside Pisshour court..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 310487.cms

Hope it is not a suicide bomber...