Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Dec 2009 20:50

Re there being no major-major terror attacks in Yindia since 26/11, it has *nothing* to do with ISI generosity or TSPA benevolence towards Indians. Nothing.

They have not attacked yet likely because they could not, not because they would not. They had every reason to boil the water again - to spark tensions, to unite their collapsing polity, to pullback troops to the eastern border and so on.

Still, Jahil Hamid and Hamid Gul's words do ring clear - they have set in store something bigger than 26/11, they claim. The next 26/11 will put Dilli in a spot like little else, forced to choose - quantumn wave collapse only - Shcroedinger's cat is either dead or alive. Indo-Pak is either war or surrender.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Dec 2009 20:52

SwamyG wrote: Say Unkil pushes all sundry into Pak; now Pak is in itself a tinder box. Wouldn't Pak then use some of them against India?

My question is why would they.

When Afghanistan itself is not recovered. Remember the "sundry into Pak" are Afghans. Why would these Afghans abandon their quest to free their country and agree to do something for Pakistan in India?

IF there are "sundry" that are Pakis and they are jobless I can understand. But the US is not asking Pakistan to take out Indian oriented terrorists (there are five groups that the US has specified, only one LeT can be considered Indian centric - that too IF AT ALL).

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Dec 2009 21:01

Bomb attack on vehicle of Pak N-body, 2 injured

Dec 8 (PTI) Two employees of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission were injured when the vehicle they were travelling in was targeted with a roadside bomb in the country?s troubled northwest today.

The blast occurred in Lakki Marwat district of North West Frontier Province, officials were quoted as saying by Geo News channel.

A technician and the vehicle?s driver were injured in the attack, they said. Both men sustained minor injuries and were taken to a nearby hospital. The windows of the vehicle were shattered by the blast.

No group claimed responsibility for the attack.

The PAEC has several important installations in the Lakki Marwat area, including a uranium mine.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 08 Dec 2009 21:10

w.t.h

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... tims-qs-08

Gilani spoke to Sharif abt India

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 21:15

My question is why would they.

1. Islam
2. Temporarily cool heels.
3. "Training" in J&K
4. If some "packees" are packed up in Pak; they are going to be idle - why not send them to desh!
* I want to add money, but I don't know for sure those groups care that much about it.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 08 Dec 2009 21:22

SwamyG wrote:So if Pak does not do as expected, Unkil will force the issue from Afg side. Now what prevents Pak handlers pleading "hame chodd do" and assisting the groups to target India?

You mean "Hamein choR do" surely...

Although the other thing could also apply in a GUBO context

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Dec 2009 21:36

There is nothing which can prevent India from buying ,finnancing some of the Pathan groups and turn the table on Pakis. Couple of hundred miliions can make Pakistan burn to ashes. Paki leadership should think about near future when Indian defence budget exceeds their GDP and Indian state forced to bring down the military, economic hammer because of Paki legendary, hereditary stupidity. Another 2 years like this will be a point of no return.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2009 21:40

SwamyG, That Mathura corps might not have gone back to Mathura.

And was that a Freudian slip or a Rajnikanth moment?

Prem, Think of Iran and private contractors from massa.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Dec 2009 21:41

SwamyG wrote:
My question is why would they.
1. Islam
2. Temporarily cool heels.
3. "Training" in J&K
4. If some "packees" are packed up in Pak; they are going to be idle - why not send them to desh!
* I want to add money, but I don't know for sure those groups care that much about it.

Unless I am missing something, nope.

IMHO you are taking a very small piece of the pie and getting over excited (not a knock - just an observation).

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Dec 2009 21:44

Prem wrote:There is nothing which can prevent India from buying ,finnancing some of the Pathan groups and turn the table on Pakis. Couple of hundred miliions can make Pakistan burn to ashes. Paki leadership should think about near future when Indian defence budget exceeds their GDP and Indian state forced to bring down the military, economic hammer because of Paki legendary, hereditary stupidity. Another 2 years like this will be a point of no return.

I think you are right to some extent. India SEEMS to building the will - if not already there - to do that.

Just one problem: the US. My fav idea of fragmentation - looks like - will not happen.

The US has too many idle (mental) strategists.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2009 21:45

SwamyG wrote:
My question is why would they.
1. Islam
2. Temporarily cool heels.
3. "Training" in J&K
4. If some "packees" are packed up in Pak; they are going to be idle - why not send them to desh!
* I want to add money, but I don't know for sure those groups care that much about it.

If it is cooling the heels they want then taking part in rahe-na-ijjat will be the easiest way out. Indian Army will not play dog and pony show with them unlike TSPA and it will be no fun once they cross into J&K. Iow crossing into India is not a temporary solution for the scum but a surefire way to meet their 72.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 22:05

Rangudu & Ramana: I would have spelled the ending with a "dh" sound for the word you are looking.

That is why I deliberately used two Ds - "dd"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2009 22:09

SwamyG wrote:Rangudu & Ramana: I would have spelled the ending with a "dh" sound for the word you are looking. That is why I deliberately used two Ds - "dd"

However that is what is happening to the TSP.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Dec 2009 22:09

NRao Sahib,
Muhalle ke Kutte, Rakhail and Gundaz have limited use or time span . Post 2020 , International community will be operating in different paradigm with minimum relevance to Pakistan . No one has/can build a nation on negative foundation , onlee Pakis are enamoured with the idea of constructing new identity by runnig away from their real self . The downfall is ineveitable, Indian stop giving push to their disintegration after 71 but as i said their legendary,herditary retarded behaviour will earn them such response and this time Indian capacity to do so will be will be on the much bigger scale than 71. They should be reminded after 71 comes 72... their ultimate destination.

munna · Post by **munna** » 08 Dec 2009 22:14

Prem wrote: They should be reminded after 71 comes 72... their ultimate destination.

Too good ji too good. This is quote of the day on BRF and a prophecy for Baki lurkers.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 22:15

NRao wrote:IMHO you are taking a very small piece of the pie and getting over excited (not a knock - just an observation).

Not getting over excited. Just wondering, if the bad guys get all 'cooped' like chickens inside the Paki territory; how is Pak going to react? Some options to Pak are:
1. Wait till Unkil gets what he wants in short term; and while waiting play naughty in J&K and other areas. Once Unkil gets whatever he wants, then move back.
2. Improvise their proxy war in Afg; if they do this then Unkil is going to get really mad because it interferes with their plans.

IMO, SOME folks from ALL the involved countries, in Af-Pak, know exactly what is happening on the ground. What they say in public is for public consumption.

If Pak senses Unkil is going to stay longer, and Afg will never fall back into its hands ever again, then it will work on Option 2. But if Pak's read is that it is a matter of waiting game, then it could very well adopt Option 1.

Just few thoughts.

Pattom · Post by **Pattom** » 08 Dec 2009 22:21

Hari Seldon wrote: Still, Jahil Hamid and Hamid Gul's words do ring clear - they have set in store something bigger than 26/11, they claim. The next 26/11 will put Dilli in a spot like little else, forced to choose - quantumn wave collapse only - Shcroedinger's cat is either dead or alive. Indo-Pak is either war or surrender.

Could this have been their surprise? A dirty bomb in Mumbai would be catastrophic.
Three nabbed with uranium in Mumbai

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Dec 2009 22:22

Mufti Muneeb terms terrorist acts ‘haraam’

ISLAMABAD: Prominent religious scholar and Chairman Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman Tuesday termed terrorist acts ‘haraam’ or strictly forbidden by Islam.

Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman said there was no justification for as many as 18 Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Dec 2009 22:27

Pattom wrote:Hari said:
Hari Seldon wrote: Still, Jahil Hamid and Hamid Gul's words do ring clear - they have set in store something bigger than 26/11, they claim. The next 26/11 will put Dilli in a spot like little else, forced to choose - quantumn wave collapse only - Shcroedinger's cat is either dead or alive. Indo-Pak is either war or surrender.
Could this have been their surprise? A dirty bomb in Mumbai would be catastrophic.
Three nabbed with uranium in Mumbai

actually no, dirty bombs are no where near as dangerous as they are made out to be in mass media. a real nuke however is quite another thing.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 08 Dec 2009 22:33

Pattom wrote: Three nabbed with uranium in Mumbai

Not trying to downplay national security issues, but "depleted uranium seizures" are not a new thing in India, and in all past cases turned out simply to be part of some used medical equipment that was imported from the west. Until I see more details, I am considering this to be a similar innocuous issue.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 08 Dec 2009 23:31

Meanwhile (sorry if already posted) Zaradhari visits the Pindi victims in hospital
Form News Link
- The first visit to any hospital to see terror victims since he took office.
- spent 19 minutes with injured.
- Also visited or accompanied by Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhta,(COAS) Kayani, Surgeon General Pakistan Army Lt-Gen Rehan Burney and commandant of the hospital Brig Muhammad Abbas Malik....
- Came by Helicopter with a decoy Helicopter..
- said : "Forces of extremism and terrorism pose a threat to our national security and stability.."

- the relatives/attendants of the injured were asked to leave their respective wards and even the premises..

What a President in the land of pure ...

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 08 Dec 2009 23:32

shravan wrote:Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman said there was no justification for as many as 18 Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

Are there just 18? Zahil Hamid, Ahmed 'Chuha' Quraishi, Hamid Gul, etc. were saying that there were some 100000000 consulates over there.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2009 23:36

AmberG, A request:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 98#p785698

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 08 Dec 2009 23:54

shravan wrote:Details of Multan Blast

According to reports, gunmen stormed at a building of a sensitive agency and opened fire on police officials. Later, they blew up a car bomb near the building, which severely damaged the building. A rocket was also fired before the blast.

According to Civil Defence official Shahid Pervaiz, 500 kg explosive was planted in the car. Rockets and hand grenade were also recovered from the blast site. Security forces have cordoned off the area as helicopters are hovering. Sources said cantt area has been sealed due to possible presence of more terrorists.

Quoting myself from a few days back-

Johann
Post subject: Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
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SSridhar wrote:
Seriously, the Punjab government of Shehbaz Sharif is living in denial for long.

There's no other way to describe it.

Whether or not there is press coverage in the West and India of whats going on in South Punjab, the war is coming there just as surely as it came to Waziristan or Malakand or Islamabad-Rawalpindi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2009 00:02

Isn't the war in South Punjab different from the one in Waziristan? The latter is driven by Pashtun nationalism and the former by religious fundamentalism.

munna · Post by **munna** » 09 Dec 2009 00:09

ramana wrote:Isn't the war in South Punjab different from the one in Waziristan? The latter is driven by Pashtun nationalism and the former by religious fundamentalism.

But all of them have just one enemy the hypocritic RAPEs of Pakjab. Decades of deprivations and the policy of "Meat for classes and grasses for masses" is coming to hit them back square in the face. Army is by default the source of power for RAPEs and it shall be taken down by the Seraiki/Pashtun forces. Not a good situtation to be in for the bakis.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Dec 2009 00:18

Ah, the finest example of RAPE literature. The Gallis of Dilli by Naveen Naqvi
http://naveenaqvi.com/2009/12/08/the-gallis-of-dilli/

What I was immediately struck by was that you see women everywhere. Women of all ages and classes are walking in the streets. They are out for a stroll in the evening. They are waiting for the bus. Women from their fifties to their twenties can be seen driving motorcycles and scooters. They are shopkeepers, bankers – they’re even construction workers!

What I found was that there was not just one, but several booklets that are published every week so you can keep track of what’s going on in this sprawling city. The list of cultural activities, varying from Dance, Theatre to Music was several pages long....I couldn’t believe it. I went in and sat down. Soon people started arriving. There was no fanfare, no photo opportunities. {Photo op for some random Kathak Recital !}

Once again, I found it remarkable that at least eighty percent of the audience was women. Single women, women in groups. There were women in their early twenties dressed in jeans and sneakers. Women in their fifties. Women of all ages. Women in silk saris. Women in worn cotton saris who could have been one of the construction workers I had seen earlier in the day. This too was a unique sight, this remnant of socialism. Nowhere in my travels have I seen people across the classes sit beside each other for an hour-long performance.{Rich sitting with the poor is socialism ?}

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Dec 2009 01:49

Anujan ji, i have been saying this for a very long time. India does not have a caste system as claimed by the West and Paki's..what the media refers to is class battles. Feudals vs peasant type skirmishes over small petty material things. What happened in Europe a few centuries ago and what still happens in Pakistan today as a result of feudalism. Caste vanishes in the cities in India maximum a generation. So it is not something deep rooted within Hindu psyche. If it was it would not vanish like that in a generation within the cities. When i go to deff n dum and see them address Indians as Bhangees, casteist terms that Indians have ceased using for generations, i realize that Islamic and Christian missionary goals for conversion have much to do with maligning Hinduism. This propaganda has been going on for centuries. Most people don't realize Brahmins were never supposed to be wealthy and accumulate such. They were supposed to live off alms and of the intellect.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Dec 2009 02:03

Lets give this to Mr Naqvi..

Perhaps that is what lends the people the humility I saw everywhere. Or maybe that is the culture of the city, the country, the nation. Everywhere I went, I expected the arrogance of which I had heard, of a rising global power. Instead in the streets, the shops, the restaurants and in the homes, I only found a humble, modest people. Even in a political protest that I happened to witness, there was great civility.

Though expect lots of such articles in the coming weeks, months if not years..as pakistaniyat takes it's toll.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 02:08

^^^^ I am also not surprised by the sense of puzzlement the Pakis have regarding the stature of Indian women. The idea of a woman in a sari/ salwar/looks like them spouting off ideas and concepts confidently is incongruous to them. Not just Pakistani men but women as well.
Even the elite Pakistani women come across as small minded and hate filled - Usual Zaid Hamid nonsense finds its way out, major superiority complex etc. The average successful Indian women is a middle class woman.
This arrogance they are expecting from India is a projection of their own psyche - As individuals progress, they need to look down on others and progress is defined in terms of wealth, whereas for India progress may include knowledge and education

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Dec 2009 02:10

harbans-ji it should be Mohterma Naqvi.

Bomb Blasts Across Pakistan Kill More Than 70 Since Monday

Retired Brigadier-General Mahmood Shah is the former security chief for Pakistan's tribal regions. He tells VOA he believes the attack is the work of Punjabi militants, who used to train with the Pakistani Taliban in their South Waziristan stronghold.

"All these elements who were training there, who were stationed there, are out of the place and could be acting independently," he said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2009 02:15

pgbhat wrote:harbans-ji it should be Mohterma Naqvi.
Bomb Blasts Across Pakistan Kill More Than 70 Since Monday
Retired Brigadier-General Mahmood Shah is the former security chief for Pakistan's tribal regions. He tells VOA he believes the attack is the work of Punjabi militants, who used to train with the Pakistani Taliban in their South Waziristan stronghold.

"All these elements who were training there, who were stationed there, are out of the place and could be acting independently," he said.

So he confirms our thinking that its the Serakis showing off their IEDology.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 09 Dec 2009 02:28

ramana wrote:Isn't the war in South Punjab different from the one in Waziristan? The latter is driven by Pashtun nationalism and the former by religious fundamentalism.

Whenever religious fundamentalism takes hold en masse its often about something else.

Both Pashtun areas and southern Pakjab had grievances with the status quo - The PA in both cases attempted to subsume, harness and redirect those grievances with radical Islam. It works as long as the establishment is cooperative, but when the establishment turns on these forces, there's a deep well of rage to draw from.

Southern Pakjab is one of the most feudal areas in Pakistan. The traditional syncretic Sufi Islam of the area is heavily identified with the landowning classes, and the Deobandis and their madrasas where they'd feed and teach your sons became one of the only means of upward mobility, whether it was working as a mullah, or training as a jihadi, or working as a supporting staff member.

Of course Pakjabi jihadis have been fighting on the Pakiban side in significant numbers for years now. Despite the differences in the local causes, Pashtun areas and southern Pakjab are united by the same flavour of religious extremism, and united against the opportunist establishment that's selling them out to the Americans for a profit.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Dec 2009 02:30

harbans wrote:Lets give this to Mr Naqvi..

Perhaps that is what lends the people the humility I saw everywhere. Or maybe that is the culture of the city, the country, the nation. Everywhere I went, I expected the arrogance of which I had heard, of a rising global power. Instead in the streets, the shops, the restaurants and in the homes, I only found a humble, modest people. Even in a political protest that I happened to witness, there was great civility.

The humility factor has been their bane for long time now. I distinctivly remember reading similar few years ago . A rape Paki was allowed to visit his relatives in UP who were super rich but living a simple life > it was hard for him to understand that many rich folks he met wont flaunt their wealth and treated others with respect and kindness and did now exhibit the Pakiness like owning the servants etc. Pakis are pure pollution, living medieval life and must be kept away from any human society on earth.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Dec 2009 02:36

Anujan wrote:Ah, the finest example of RAPE literature. The Gallis of Dilli by Naveen Naqvi
http://naveenaqvi.com/2009/12/08/the-gallis-of-dilli/

Here's everyone's favorite ex-Brit Chris Cork's comment at the end of the article:

Chris Cork on December 8, 2009 said: It is that absence of women that most troubles me living here. Half of the population seem to be living behind the curtain. I will never get used to it, no matter how long I remain here.

Is it just me or mohajirs now are all of a sudden starting to express their long lost love for "apni gallis of Hindustan"?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 09 Dec 2009 02:36

pgbhat wrote:harbans-ji it should be Mohterma Naqvi.

I always thought Naveen was a yindoo name? I've never heard of muslim ladies named so! eye-opener i guess.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 02:43

Whatever I have seen of the RAPE class is not impressive. They are arrogant, superficial, small minded, and behave like Gawaars (Thanks Mom). I am also sorry to say that the men are a bit vulgar. You will not see an Sri Sri's or Ammas emerging from there.
Is it something that existing prior to partition? I don't see any evidence of this kind of obnoxiousness from family that came from across the border.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 09 Dec 2009 02:56

Speaking of RAPE class ...I still get amazed... In the following Dawn piece:
Maj-Gen Bilal showed bravery till his last breath
We learn the bravery of this General .. we come to know that he died when a terrorist shot him.. but whatdoyaknow how brave he was.. for example:
- President of the Pakistan Polo Association.. aggressive player.. represented world polo cup...

- .."was also a good hunter and used to go for shooting along with me in the toughest terrains of the northern region,.."

But also:
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Once we were in the mountains for hunting and the temperature there was -10 degrees centigrade. I was amazed to see Billy making ablution even in the freezing temperature of the north,

Of course His bravery was described as: "It was Bilal’s style as he did not escape from the mosque "

What a moving Eulogy for a brave paki general!

(And read all about how he once used personal (instead of official) car, called airplane horses etc... too)

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 03:02

^^^^ There you go
Hunting, peeing in the snow, women, wine, lots of servants/slaves etc are what these pple admire. Neanderthal like behaviour

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Dec 2009 03:10

This retired puki general is singing like a canary
Apparently, corp commanders got their infomation from TV before attending corp commander meeti8ngs under mushy.