Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 09 Dec 2009 11:53

Bomb blasts outcome of Waziristan operation: JI chief

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=212436

Wednesday, December 09, 2009
By Muhammad Ejaz Khan

QUETTA; Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) chief Syed Munawwar Hasan has observed that the war on terror was not meant to uproot the terrorists from the region; rather it was against the Muslims, demanding of the rulers to stay aloof.

ìThe war on terror has multiplied the number of terrorists instead of reducing them,î the JI chief said while addressing office-bearers and lawyers in District Court here on Tuesday. “The bomb blasts in the country are the outcome of the Waziristan operation,” he admitted. He said it was better for the Americans and the Nato forces to quit the region. He said peace would prevail there once the foreign forces left.

To a question about the Balochistan situation, the JI chief said the only solution to the Balochistan issue was dialogue. He dispelled the impression that the drone attacks were conducted by the US without the permission of the government. He added that the attacks would continue.

Two PAEC employees hurt in blast {This appears to be a by run}

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=212437

Wednesday, December 09, 2009
By our correspondent

LAKKI MARWAT: Two employees of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) project sustained injuries in a roadside explosion near Torwah on Lakki-Darra Tang Road on Tuesday evening.

Sources said the employees were on way to Lakki City from Qabulkhel project area in a mini-bus after duty hours when the incident occurred. “There were nearly 30 to 35 employees in the bus,” the sources said, adding, a technician Ihsanullah and driver Karim Khan sustained minor injuries in the explosion.

The sources said the explosion occurred when the vehicle was approaching the area. “Had the bus hit the bomb, there would have been a lot of casualties,” the sources maintained. They said that law-enforcing agencies personnel rushed to the place and started search operation in the surrounding area.

Saddar, Qissa Khwani bazars sealed

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=212448

By Javed Aziz Khan

PESHAWAR: The Saddar and Qissa Khwani Bazaars remained completely sealed again on Tuesday to avert any terrorist attack. Motorists were diverted to other routes and only pedestrians were allowed to enter Saddar Road and Qissa Khwani, causing hardships to customers, commuters and traders. The offices of PIA on the Arbab Road in Saddar were closed Tuesday morning on the instructions of the police. There were reports that the PIA premises could be targetted by the terrorists. The offices were got vacated and security tightened to avert an attack.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Dec 2009 11:55

The "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" attitude of the Pakis,both jehadis and the uniformed tribe,who are being spurred on by the US,is as several have said reaching unbearable levels.The great danger is,as can be seen from the shouts on the Paki street,that India,the US and Israel are behind their catastrophe that has hit the nation.The squeeze on funding too is acerbating the problem and the two sides appear tpo be hell bent upon revenge.In such a dire situation,it is not inconceivable that some adventurism against India takes place,which could also involve China,as it sees the Paki state disintegrating.The loss of Pak as a reliable stable ally will be a strategic disaster for China,which has planned to use Pak as the route through to Iran and the Gulf.If Pak stays in chaos,then China may well start interfering in events in Afghanistan,anticipating a US retreat within two years.

The ranting from Mazari only underlines the poxed mindset of the Paki establishment and their fail-safe method of blaming India for all their self-created woes and suffering."Delenda est India" seems to be their motto ,following Cato's repeated tirades against Carthage in the Senate! WE therefore cannot rule out a Sino-Pak misadventure in the POK/Aksai Chin region,where the two bum-chums can work togther against ndia.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Dec 2009 11:57

Shrill deserves a nobel

Vivek_A wrote:The blast in Peshawar on November 13, targeting a military organisation and the blast in Moon Market, Lahore, were not simply rough IEDs but devices comprising sophisticated material which has puzzled the Pakistanis since it is nothing they possess - and again the finger tends to point to the US and India (since India is still only in the process of destroying its chemical weapons).

I think a finger can also point to Shrill because I saw her buy half a kg of pindi channa on the 12th.

Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 09 Dec 2009 13:20

pics of multan bomb blast

solid foundations.. crater has concrete flooring app 10 ft.. down.. may be roof of underground offices/tunnel.. ??

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 Dec 2009 13:36

I repeat my post again
Guys-> why dont we send a peace delegation from India at this time to Lahore made up of

1. 100 Bollywood celebrities- Bhatts, nandita das et al
2. 100 esteemed rights activists- A Roy, T Sevelatnad, R Guha, maoist supporters et al
3. 100 eminient Journalists- all Majoir english TV presenters
4. 100 emininent MPs- scions, karats, yadav's etc.

Wouldn't this be a nice time to talk peace. Peace int he subcontinent should not be cowed down by extremists trying to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as stated by one Quereshi.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 09 Dec 2009 13:41

^^^ that would be a great time for demo'ing IEDelogy

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Dec 2009 13:58

the new national bird of pak

US Air Force confirms 'Beast of Kandahar' drone
Updated at: 0859 PST, Wednesday, December 09, 2009
US Air Force confirms WASHINGTON: The US Air Force confirmed for the first time that it is flying a stealth unmanned aircraft known as the "Beast of Kandahar," a drone spotted in photos and shrouded in secrecy.

The RQ-170 Sentinel is being developed by Lockheed Martin and is designed "to provide reconnaissance and surveillance support to forward deployed combat forces," the air force said in a brief statement.

The "RQ" prefix for the aircraft indicates an unarmed drone, unlike the "MQ" designation used for Predator and Reaper aircraft equipped with missiles and precision-guided bombs.

Aviation experts dubbed the drone the "Beast of Kandahar" after photographs emerged earlier this year showing the mysterious aircraft in southern Afghanistan in 2007.

The image suggested a drone with a radar-evading stealth-like design, resembling a smaller version of a B-2 bomber.

A blog in the French newspaper Liberation published another photo this week, feeding speculation among aviation watchers about the classified drone.

The air force said the aircraft came out of Lockheed Martin's "Skunk Works," also known as Advanced Development Programs, in California - the home of sophisticated and often secret defense projects including the U-2 spy plane, the F-22 fighter jet and the F-117 Nighthawk.

The photo of the drone in Afghanistan has raised questions about why the United States would be operating a stealth unmanned aircraft in a country where insurgents have no radar systems, prompting speculation Washington was using the drones for possible spying missions in neighboring Iran or Pakistan.

The Sentinel was believed to have a flying wing design with no tail and with sensors built into the top side of each wing, according to published photos.

The RQ-170 is in line with Defense Secretary Robert Gates' request for more intelligence and surveillance resources and with the Air Force chief of staff's plans to expand the fleet of unmanned aircraft, the air force said.

The new drone is flown by the 30th Reconnaissance Squadron out of Tonopah Test Range in Nevada, which is under Air Combat Command's 432nd Wing at Creech Air Base, also in Nevada.

The United States has carried out an extensive bombing campaign against Al-Qaeda figures in Pakistan using the Predator and larger Reaper drones.

Robots or "unmanned systems" in the air and on the ground are now deployed by the thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan, spying from the sky for hours on end, searching for booby-traps and firing lethal missiles without putting US soldiers at risk.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2009 14:31

Gives Pakistan one more chance to demand transfer of the Beast's technology on account of national sovereignty.

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Dec 2009 15:02

For the purposes of a “family visa” to visit the UK, the UK immigration authorities make a clear distinction between those from India, those from elsewhere and those from the Islamic Republic Pakistan.

I wonder how much the UK’s immigration authorities relative parsimony in accepting “family visa’s” applications of the citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan owes to the involvement of Pakistani citizens in “IT”

and here I mean Islamic Terrorism and not Information Technology.:

Wed, Dec 09, 2009 7:42:14

Family Visa Rejections Show Home Office Discrimination – Teather

Liberal Democrat MP for Brent East Sarah Teather has uncovered new government figures showing that nearly half of family visa applications from Pakistan are rejected, compared to an average of just 24% for other nationalities.

Family visas allow relatives of British residents and citizens to visit the UK for important occasions. Last year Labour removed the right of appeal, so that applicants are no longer able to dispute a decision which they feel is unfair.

Last year, there were 34,778 family visa applications from Pakistan, of which 23,597 were refused. Bangladesh had a refusal rate of 31%, Sri Lanka 17% and India 14%. ……………………

The Sikh Times

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 09 Dec 2009 15:39

Aditya_V wrote:I repeat my post again
Guys-> why dont we send a peace delegation from India at this time to Lahore made up of

1. 100 Bollywood celebrities- Bhatts, nandita das et al
2. 100 esteemed rights activists- A Roy, T Sevelatnad, R Guha, maoist supporters et al
3. 100 eminient Journalists- all Majoir english TV presenters
4. 100 emininent MPs- scions, karats, yadav's etc.

Wouldn't this be a nice time to talk peace. Peace int he subcontinent should not be cowed down by extremists trying to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as stated by one Quereshi.

Please book seats for the following people in the delegation to Pakistan:
1)Prashant Bhusan
2) Vir Sanghvi
3) Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar
4) Kuldeep Naiyyar
5)Pankaj Mishra
6)Amaresh Mishra

Perhaps they can sing the song " Dekhaa na hai re socha na hai re.."

James B · Post by **James B** » 09 Dec 2009 15:49

Militants destroy school in Khyber

...but no runs

Taliban militants blew up a government high school for boys in the Shaloober area of Bara tehsil in the Khyber tribal region.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Dec 2009 16:32

AoA, the greatest of em players, the Pakis have been left out of IPL due to a YYY conspiracy and they are angry. Enjoy the tantrums:
IPL snubbed Pakistani players on flimsy grounds: Jillani

KARACHI: Miffed with the Indian Premier League's refusal to allow Pakistani players' participation for the second year in a row, Federal Minister Sohail Tanvir for Sports Aftab Shah Jillani said the event's organisers have used "flimsy grounds" to "snub" his country's cricketers.

Jillani described the denial of permission to play in IPL III as an "insult" to Pakistan.

"If the IPL didn't want our players to take part in the tournament why did they bother to even ask the cricket board to furnish all government clearances for the players," Jillani said.

He said the sports ministry had worked overtime to get clearances from the foreign and interior ministries for the PCB.{ really worked very, very hard}

"We did our part because we wanted our players to take part in the IPL this time. But I am afraid the way the IPL has snubbed our players on flimsy grounds is an insult to us{AoA}," Jillani added.

He said it was about time, the Pakistan Cricket Board stopped "pandering to the Indian cricket authorities and showed more independence".

"I don't think we should be running after the Indian board or events now. Because they don't appear interested in responding likewise to us," the minister said.
{ Im sure Timbuktu league will readily welcome you and compete against the IPL}

IPL commissioner Lalit Modi announced on Monday that Pakistani players would not be able to take part in the next season of the league because the PCB had failed to get visas for them by the given deadline.

Modi said since the IPL has already twice extended the deadline for submitting all documents, there was nothing more he could do now.

Jillani said he couldn't understand how the PCB could arrange visas for the players when the IPL had not done anything to get a green signal from the Indian government.

"We want to normalise sporting ties with India that is why our ministry allowed our squash and table tennis teams to go to India this year because we don't believe in mixing sports with politics," he stated.

Pakistan's flamboyant allrounder Shahid Afridi, however, considers the non-participation of Pakistani players in the IPL as a blessing in disguise.

"It is disappointing that once again we can't play in the IPL but at the same time it also means that our players can now focus totally on the Twenty20 World Cup in the West Indies," Afridi said.

"Obviously we wanted to play in the IPL it is a major event but I just think maybe the Indians could have been more cooperative with us in given circumstances," added Afridi, who is Pakistan's T20 captain.{ Wonder if he noticed the contradiction in his two statements}

Afridi said not having Pakistani participation was not good for IPL either. "They could have done a bit more to ensure our participation in the event," he said.{ AoA, the tournament is doomed }

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 09 Dec 2009 17:31

On one hand, whining and on another, begging... Ensoi the paki trait that should now be familiar.
India-Pak series in neutral venues can solve PCB crunch: Butt
http://beta.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/article61576.ece
I am not gonna be amused if I were Lalit Modi or BCCI.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 09 Dec 2009 18:10

Somali Pirates hijack Pakistani ship

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ship-ss-05

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Dec 2009 18:27

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Butt: http://beta.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/article61576.ece

“But overall for Pakistan, it is a woeful situation because leave alone India, no team is willing to tour our country at the moment and we don’t know when the situation will improve,” he added.

Oh, Woe is us!!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Dec 2009 18:39

Rohit i don't see anything funny in pirates hijacking a ship. American, Indian, Chinese all kinds of ships have been hijacked.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 09 Dec 2009 18:43

harbans wrote:Rohit i don't see anything funny in pirates hijacking a ship. American, Indian, Chinese all kinds of ships have been hijacked.

Ek bhikari dusre bhikari ka katora churaye, to funny to hoga hi.

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Dec 2009 18:56

Chandragupta wrote:
harbans wrote:Rohit i don't see anything funny in pirates hijacking a ship. American, Indian, Chinese all kinds of ships have been hijacked.
Ek bhikari dusre bhikari ka katora churaye, to funny to hoga hi.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 09 Dec 2009 19:07

USAF reveals RQ-170 Sentinel is new stealth UAV

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... h-uav.html

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 09 Dec 2009 19:10

rohiths wrote:Somali Pirates hijack Pakistani ship
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ship-ss-05

this is the best catch for th pirates . this would include all the loot from the jhamuriat guys and all their personal property

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Dec 2009 19:12

Whatever happened to the pirates code of conduct...or is it just in the movie? Didnt the Paki captain shout Parley or whatever that is...

On another topic..

If it is justifiable to boycott South Africa during the apartheid days, resulting in the demise of several promising careers, including the likes of Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards, who are by no means racist, it is perfectly justifiable to boycott terrorist fanatic barbarian animalist state of Pakistan from all sporting events, at least in India. It is even more justifiable because many Paki cricketers are fanatic barbarians, if not terrorists, themselves.

Kudos to whoever held back the visas of Pakbarian cricketers and thereby prevented at least several lakhs of rupees of India's money from financing terror against India. (logic is simple - every Pakbarian pays Paki tax, most of which goes to fund terror against India).

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Dec 2009 19:21

Are not all Islamic states practising Apartheid against non-muslim minorities? Take Saudi, Pakistan, Iran...whats different in principle?

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 09 Dec 2009 19:41

Geo:5 foreign nationals held in Sargodha

SARGODHA: An Anti Organized-crime Cell raided a house situated in Aziz Bhatti Town of Sargodha and arrested five foreign nationals.

DPO Sargodha Dr. Usman Anwar told Geo News that the police raided the house of Khalid Farooqi, an activist of banned outfit Jaish-e-Muhammad, and arrested five foreign nationals from there.

The arrested foreigners include 2 Yemenis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Swedish and 1 US-born Pakistani.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 09 Dec 2009 19:46

Gagan

Result:
1. The jehadi groups will lash out at the pak fauj at some point.
2. For sheer survival, the Pak fauj will have to reestablish its credentials by an attack on India.
Which as we know is a question of when and not if.

But this does leave openings that the koofer powers can exploit if they want to.

And this is the limited war / attack, Army Chief Deepak Kapoor was talking about. I think if the suicide attacks in Pakistan continue into January, best time for Pak Army is February

munna · Post by **munna** » 09 Dec 2009 19:57

Acharya wrote:
gandharva wrote:

“Lahore is very, very important. In many ways it’s more important than Islamabad and Karachi because of culture, because now it has become the knowledge centre – opinion is formed mostly from Lahore,” he said. rana tanveer

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 009_pg13_6

How is that

Acharya ji Lahore has been the chief educational centre since 1882 when Panjab University was established by the British (now succeeded by the Lahore and Chandigarh branches). A lot of freedom fighters and thinker of national movement owe their roots (associated with) to Lahore based educational institutions like Bhagat Singh, ML Dhingra and Lalaji. In current times the only university in Bakiland whose degree is worth slightly more than the paper it is printed on is LUMS (Lahore University of Management Sciences a private univ). Similarly PU in Lahore is a hotbed of student politics and all the students from this university that I have come across till now are big fans of Jahil Ghode-Ki-Leed. Apart from these institutions Lahore hosts a plethora of other medical and engineering institutions, practically speaking if somehow Lahore's shop is shut down by the Seraiki/Pahstun revolutionaries then Bakiland will easily become a copy of Afghanistan. A worrisome prospect for any RAPE. Lahore is the educational and academic nerve centre of Bakiland if it is gone then the elite will be psychologically disintegrated, in short it will be like the sack of Nalanda. An irretrievable loss for a culture and nation (if you may want to dignify Bakis with these words

).

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Dec 2009 20:33

Suppiah wrote:logic is simple - every Pakbarian pays Paki tax, most of which goes to fund terror against India.

The money they pay as zakat in pakistan, goes directly to organizations such as the Jammat-ud-dawa.
So there is no point enriching the pakistani cricketers or otherwise with indian money. Part of that money will end up financing terrorists against india.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Dec 2009 20:35

FBI says two serving Pak officers had ties with Headley

According to a senior source in the Union home ministry, Federal Bureau of Investigation officers who visited New Delhi [ Images ] shared vital information about two Pakistani serving army officers connected to Lashkar-a-Tayiba operative David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani-American arrested in Chicago in October, now accused of criminal conspiracy in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks [ Images ].

The FBI officers are in Pakistan for further inquiry into the matter. The Pakistan officers who had been laisoning with Headley are army majors, the FBI officers told their Indian counterparts during the briefing.

FBI officers have extensively shared information with the Indian counterparts about the role of Headley and his associate Tahawwur Rana (also picked up in Chicago) in the Mumbai attacks.

However, if the information FBI has on Headley is correct then the Pakistani establishment will have a lot to answer to US and India [ Images ]. Headley has been charged on 12 terror-related counts and one of the counts is pertaining to six US citizens who were killed during the 26/11 attacks.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Dec 2009 20:39

This report is full of ironies and lahori logic. Shows how the legal system functions in TSP.
Simple formula: Son IED mubaraks fauji generals => His Father is arrested and is probably being tortured.
Mosque suicide bomber identified, father held

RAWALPINDI, Dec 8: One of the suicide bombers who struck Parade Lane mosque in Rawalpindi on Friday has been identified, leading to the arrest of his father from Dir.

A security source claimed that the bomber was identified from his face which was recovered intact from the scene of the attack. The evidence showed that the assailant was Safiullah, a resident of Dir.

His father owned him but told the investigators that his son had been missing after his association with a militant organisation long time ago, the source said.

Two of the four disfigured faces suspected to be that of the suicide attackers have been reconstructed through surgery while Safiullah’s face was intact.

Four armed militants stormed the mosque located in military residential area during Friday prayers killing at least 40 worshippers including children and five senior military officers.

...

However, the original vehicle (ICT HK-508) has also been traced and impounded from the NWFP, the source said.

But there is more

The source said the investigators had also found one of the three digits inscribed on the tyres and bumper of the car and in the light of intelligence they suspected that there might be two more cars of the same brand and colour which might have been used in the same carnage.

The source said the two other cars could be inscribed with “1” and “2” digit as the recovered vehicle bore the digit of “3”. The law enforcement agencies are hunting for the two cars which according to intelligence might be used by militants for terror strikes.

This demands a bositive news article along the lines of the "pakistani medical test to detect Indians and the failure of that test in the case of womens"

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 09 Dec 2009 21:54

The heart of TSP is Pakjab, the heart of Pakjab is Lahore city. This is a city that evokes tremendous memories, nostalgia & feelings from those Hindus/Sikhs who were kicked out from there. (My grandpa & his brothers etc. used to have a houses in Lahore). This is a city originally established by Luv, Ram Chander Ji's son. It is a very ancient city, the Lahore fort is said to be from many milleniums old.

When TSP was made, the British realized that TSP has really no city worth its name, so they gave Lahore to TSP. It is the pride of TSP. They take tremendous pride in its architecture, history & grandeur of the city. There used to be sayings in Punjab about Lahore, "One who hasn't seen lahore is not even born", or "Lahore is Lahore". It was a city that was, before Partition, 95% owned by Hindus & Sikhs. They were the most prosperous community & they built the city with educational & charitable institutions with tremendous love. All this was grabbed by M's after 47. This is where anyone who was anyone in Punjab lived, this was the happening place, this was the center of the Universe for Punjab. Its loss to India is tremendous.

TSP'ians are very very proud of possessing this city of Raam's son. They have extracted resources from rest of TSP to build & maintain and make Lahore beautiful. They have taken *everything* in thier power to make sure that the current instability of TSP stayes out of Pakjab in general & Lahore in particular. They are extremely sensitive about Lahore.

As an aside: This should also give India ideas---it is the proverbial b@11 that India can squeeze to make TSP be sqeal. In 1965 we had almost taken Lahore (We should have kept those parts, in my opinion). Lahore is a mere 50 miles from Amrtsar, we could easily shell it and reduce it to rubble (am I right about the shelling range?).

TSP has really no other city worth anything. Not peshawar, not Karachi. Islamabad is basically a sterile artificial city. Rawalpindi is a crowded slum. If there is a city that can hold an entire nation to ransom, it is Lahore. (Hint hint to Indian Generals & war planners

)

Another aside: A huge number of Indian personalities hail from Lahore, or have strong Lahore connections: Khushwant Singh, Dev Anand, actor Pran, Ramanand Sagar, Amrita Preetam. You mention Lahore in a Punjabi party & rona dhona starts.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 21:55

Nice blog writeup on Pundita

http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html
http://www.asadismi.ws/pakistan.html
Client State. Definition: A country that is dependent on the economic or military support of a larger, more powerful country

Setting the record straight

I think Americans who don't know anything about Pakistan tend to assume that the worst aspects of the society are rooted in extremist Islam imported from Saudi Arabia. That's not the case; it's just that when Wahabism intersected with the maharaja system, a way of life that had been preserved in certain Pakistan regions through various interventions, including the British Raj and U.S. actions during the Cold War, the outcome was perhaps the world's most toxic society.

The U.S. chose Pakistan over India to make into a client state because Pakistan's feudal lords reigned supreme at Independence; that, coupled with Pakistan's rigid caste system, guaranteed that a military coup could derail any genuine democracy in the country. That made Pakistan's military, and the country's defense policy, easy for the U.S. to control

If you're surprised to learn that an Islamic nation has a caste system -- the chatter about Islam being egalitarian is for the tourists; anywhere the conquering Muslims found the caste system they continued it because it was so useful for keeping the conquered and their own lower classes in line. That's how it is for Pakistan, not only with their Hindu population (the "scheduled" castes) but also the Muslim one.

Those who're unaware of the caste issue among Muslims living in caste societies (or a diaspora caste community; e.g., Pakistanis in Norway) assume that gang rapes and murders among those communities are products of fundamentalist Islam. Yet these are often caste crimes; the rigidity of fundamentalism only makes for more brutal enforcement of caste.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 22:13

From one of the articles above

http://www.asadismi.ws/pakistan.html

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S. officials reacted to this slaughter by thanking General Yahya Khan, the Pakistani military dictator, for his "delicacy and tact." As one eye witness described it, the army in East Pakistan was "like a pack of wild dogs," killing "on a scale not seen since the Third Reich." One thousand intellectuals were murdered in a single day at Dhaka University alone. "Women were raped or had their breasts torn out with specially fashioned knives," one journalist (who fled) reported. "Children did not escape the horror: the lucky ones were killed with their parents; but many thousands of others must go through what life remains for them with eyes gouged out and limbs roughly amputated."

Mirage fighter-bombers and U.S. Cobra helicopter gunships pummeled unarmed Baluch civilians for five years. Of the 5,000 Baluch men, women and children captured by the army in 1977, 95% were "brutally tortured." As one account put it: "Apart from the standard practice of severe beatings, limbs are broken or cut off; eyes gouged out; electric shocks are applied, especially to the genitals; beards and hair are torn out; fingernails ripped; water and food are withheld."

What is it with this mutilation bit? They did that to POWs as well. We have a bunch of Hannibal Lectors running that country

The Pakistan army has provided Washington with an instrument for crushing or hindering progressive social movements, not just inside Pakistan, but also in South Asia. India's non-alignment and the good relations of both India and Afghanistan with the Soviet Union were anathema to Washington, which deployed Pakistan against both countries.

When a left-wing government came to power in Afghanistan in 1978, the U.S. decided to overthrow it, using Pakistan as a conduit. The New York Times described the main objectives of this government as being the implementation of land reform and the expansion of education for women. Afghan Islamic fundamentalist groups (known as Mujahideen) in exile in Pakistan were covertly armed by the CIA and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and sent into Afghanistan.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser in the Carter administration, knew that this policy would, as he put it, "induce a Soviet intervention in Afghanistan." Brzezinski stated in a recent interview: "That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap." Once the Soviets invaded in December 1979, the U.S. poured $6 billion in military aid to the Mujahideen through Pakistan. The ensuing war destroyed Afghanistan, ending all hope of progressive reforms.

India has long been the kind of Third World state that Washington detested. It had close relations with the Soviet Union, followed an independent foreign policy, opposed Western imperialist adventures, and created a significant public sector industrial base and a protected domestic economy which included two communist states (West Bengal and Kerala). The U.S. response has been to "bleed India" through Pak-istan's support for secessionist insurgencies in order to open up the Indian economy to American penetration

These insurgencies have sapped India's ability to build its economic infrastucture. This, according to one observer, has "slowed the pace of growth and development, and precipitated demands for rapid privatization and reliance on foreign investment

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 09 Dec 2009 22:19

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ator-za-02

US war strategy should focus on Pakistan: Senator

WASHINGTON: The top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is questioning whether the United States is focusing on the right country in its war against the Taliban and the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Senator Dick Lugar said Wednesday the US risks spending billions of dollars fighting in strategically less important Afghanistan while militants are becoming more secure in their havens across the border in nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Lugar prepared the remarks for a Senate hearing where lawmakers will hear testimony from Gen. David Petraeus, overall commander for the Mideast region, and Karl Eikenberry, the US ambassador to Afghanistan.—AP

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2009 22:26

Jarita, Its there before there was TSP.

Read Airavat Singh's book Last Mughal. There were numerous cases of mutilation of POWs. Even Shah Alam II, the Mughal Emperor, was blinded by his captors.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2009 22:26

^^^^ Yes, but modern humans are supposed to be more civilized

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2009 22:32

Jarita wrote:^^^^ Yes, but modern humans are supposed to be more civilized

Read the pundita's blog and revisit your statement. What happens is that pre-modern mindset is legitimized and the mind gets frozen.

All that river of freedom turns into a dry nulla.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 09 Dec 2009 22:44

harbans wrote:Rohit i don't see anything funny in pirates hijacking a ship. American, Indian, Chinese all kinds of ships have been hijacked.

Pakistani nationals may be training Somali pirates
A few months ago, there was a news item in Indian Express too. I remember having posted that link here.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Dec 2009 23:12

kenop wrote:
harbans wrote:Rohit i don't see anything funny in pirates hijacking a ship. American, Indian, Chinese all kinds of ships have been hijacked.
Pakistani nationals may be training Somali pirates
A few months ago, there was a news item in Indian Express too. I remember having posted that link here.

Now, that's irony.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Dec 2009 23:17

Jarita wrote: The U.S. response has been to "bleed India" through Pak-istan's support for secessionist insurgencies in order to open up the Indian economy to American penetration

These insurgencies have sapped India's ability to build its economic infrastucture. This, according to one observer, has "slowed the pace of growth and development, and precipitated demands for rapid privatization and reliance on foreign investment

Note the last para.
India going for foreign investment is turning towards the same powers which restricted Indian growth.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 09 Dec 2009 23:23

Doesn't really say anything that hasn't already been said many times over, but every reiteration iz muzik to my ears, esp when a Westerner sez it

The problem with Pakistan, part I

......Perhaps the unexpected development was casually overlooked, ignored, or swept under the rug to keep it below media radar out of an irrational sense of political correctness.......

.....when Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari turned over the codes that control the country's nuclear arsenal to Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani , the world slept when it should have bolted upright in alerted dismay [?????]......

....the country has bounced back and forth like an electrified pinball from pseudo-democracy to military dictatorship for decades.

...Throughout, the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence Agency) has played a role in exporting terrorism while working internally with the military to keep the country unstable. Further, Pakistan is always ready to draw swords with mortal enemy India for the slightest transgression, real or perceived.

.......The transfer of the nuclear codes in another country might not be cause to raise global alarm, but when it is a country accused of harboring senior leadership of al Qaeda in the lawless tribal region between Afghanistan and Pakistan; and when it's a country currently experiencing attacks from within by their own chapter of the Taliban working with al Qaeda towards destabilization, it should be at the top of the list of worldwide concern.......

The assertion made in the first part came across as if writer was saying handing over command to gilani should be a cause for concern while as long as it stays with Mr. 10%, nobody ought to lose any sleep. Didn't make much sense to me. But WTH as long as the Westerners continue to raise the alarm against whoever/whatever in pakistan in widely-accessed media, i'd sit back & watch the axn with a bagfull of moomphali

The problem with Pakistan, part II

......In other words, these weapons of mass destruction were placed in the hands of a schizophrenic and disloyal army with a bone to pick not only with India, but the U.S. as well. Still more frightening, the weapons are within reach of radical Islamists spreading like a cancer from Afghanistan eastward into Pakistan, and, that sees anything of the west as the enemy......

The problem with Pakistan, part III-conclusion

.....Not surprisingly then,the army and the ISI want America to provide billions for the war and infrastructure, yet without conditions, as though they were completely reliable.....

......Thus, the U.S. is trying to stem the tide of Taliban advances in Afghanistan, while at the same time dealing with the disloyal, untrustworthy, and deeply divided four headed monster that Pakistan's military and civilian leadership is.......

The U.S.'s continued financial subsidies to Pakistan's circumspect efforts in the 'war on terror' amounts to nothing more than feeding sugar cubes to the four horsemen of the apocalypse......

Clearly, if radical elements of Islam continue to work with the schizophrenically divided Pakistan army to undermine it's government and the efforts of the coalition forces in the region, it won't just be terrorist attacks on the United States from that part of the world that we'll be waking up to

One day, the world will wake up to find itself staring down the barrel of Pakistani nukes, seized by al Qaeda and Pakistani Taliban, and aimed not only at the United States, but India, Israel, and quite possibly, the world.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 09 Dec 2009 23:32

I won't be surprised if Somalis 'dismount' from the paki ship in chaddi-baniyan onlee; giving everything from their AK47s to slippers to pakis but still smiling in a mysteriously contented manner. Don't forget that Pakis are Gods of Gubo.