The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

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Time to "think the unthinkable" to deal with terrorists
New Delhi, Dec.9 (PTI) The Government today said the case of Pakistani-American David Headley showed the time has come to "think the unthinkable" as terrorists were working on new strategies to break the country's security.

"As we have seen from the David Headley case that one can still slip through the radar. Because we are not looking for them. This is one of the big problem. Because nobody would look for a US citizen, with a US passport and a business visa, you would not think that he is a terrorist," Home Secretary G K Pillai said.

The Home Secretary said if it can happen to a US national, it can happen to citizen of any other country and favoured necessary steps to deal with such cases.
We need to re-profile the ideal piglet, from an Ajmal Kasab, to a blackberry toting, email dashing, ITvity literate "person like us". Their HQ is not a kave kaamplex in Tora Bora, but well equipped netwoeked room in downtown London or Karachi.
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Its easy. If you scratch an en-mo RAPE you will find he is jihadi. The problem is the WKK mentality that they are just like us. Its an insult and great disservice to Indian Muslims to compare the TSP terrorists to them.

What about the IFS guy who gave the visa on personal discretion in Chicago?
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i am ruling out pasha as he is UNKIL's man, ther was a lot of infomation and rumors in Washjington post surrouding his appointment
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to track the movement , all natrionals ( non indian) from Europe , Australia and Americas who have travelled to pak and India multiple times are persons to be mapped.

Immigration information from these countries would be willing to co-operate as we have a Nuke deal ($$$$ ) trade with these countries .....
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Sorry if duplicate (has been posted in other thread)
FBI says two serving Pak officers had ties with Headley
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Pakistani origins are one thing that must be screened. There can be several more criteria that can be added to increase the pool of people to be profiled.

But the bottom line needs to be that tech savvyness of the customs and immigration department needs to be massively upgraded.

I will not name the airport in India, but I guess this applies to most airports in India. There is a register that holds the names of suspicious persons, which the immigration officials refer to. It is a thick register that they see. This is apart from the computer that they have. The impression one gets is of a chalta hai attitude.

There are several stories I have heard from people traveling in and out of the country. Usually the person checking the passport is not aware of the various procedures, and they often refer to a senior for advise on the simplest of things.

The US system for example has a suitcase with a networked laptop which has a passport reader. I am sure that the official using this will have any alerts pertaining to the person at his fingertips.

This we've seen with Shah Rukh Khan. Would he have ever been stopped in India?

The answer lies in more accurate information at the computer terminal that the immigration officer handles, and less leeway to the officer in terms of discretionary powers. If an alert pops up, the set procedures simply have to be adhered to. And yes ofcourse major training in respectfulness and non-ghoosekhor-ness to India's customs officers. I have personally seen these guys berating a bangladeshi couple horribly at one airport, shameful.
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We used to have thread called indicators thread.

Multiple visits to TSP is definitely a marker. Mere TSP origin is not. RAPE is definite marker. The reason is there is dichotmy or split personality for the RAPE. They have to be Westernized for the outer world and that conflicts with their religious upbrining.

There are numerous biographies of eminent personalities of Hyderabad Deccan who had British education and mannerisms who would suddenly turn fundoo.

In case of Headley there is the additional broken home syndrome.
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U.S. man pleads not guilty for role in Mumbai attacks
CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Chicago man accused of being a scout in the 2008 attacks in Mumbai on Wednesday pleaded not guilty to the charges during his first court appearance since his October arrest by U.S. authorities.

U.S.

David Headley, 49, has been cooperating with authorities as they investigate his role in the attacks which killed 166 people, including six Americans, in the Indian city. He could change his plea at a later date.

Headley was born in the United States, but spent much of his childhood in Pakistan where he was raised by his Pakistani father.
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Ramana, Gagan - May be a slight OT (may be not) but something more is in "suitcase with a networked laptop" type tech-savviness. After all US, with all its computers and databases, has stopped say George Kaka ( even Kalam by an US airline) on one hand and has issued visa to a hijacker , months after he flew in to WTC.

Tech savviness has to come from finding best ways to use (and gather too) huge amount of data, discard disinformation etc. For example learnings from US Defense Department's (See https://networkchallenge.darpa.mil/FAQ.aspx ) 10 balloon's challenge, and MIT's strategy etc. (See one post here

I might write a small piece about technical aspect of that and how that is relevant to India's scenario which, who knows, might be accepted as as an SRR piece. :)
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My first meaningful post here, have followed this thread till Thanks Giving week end and then lost track. A lot as changed since then, I will try to leave my 2cents on the subject mostly as related to US justice system.

Patni wrote:
Illinois Capital Punishment Laws
IL Law is not relevant, they are charged under federal law. US has federal death penalty and it will certainly be applicable here. To seek death penalty or not is the decision of AG office. If they do ask for death penalty, they still have to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. While the first part of trial remains same, after conviction another trial for death penalty will be held. There prosecutors will need to prove additional aggravating factors to justify death penalty and most likely defense will show their cooperation and other mitigating factors. While death penalty is applicable, AG may not seek it. Unlike elephants, some of these guys are worth more alive than dead. Often after some time in supermax, they talk more than they will now. Case in point is Ramzi Yousef, first World Trade Center bomber, he was tried under NY state law which does not have death penalty. [from what I read somewhere] After 9/11, investigators were again able to talk to him and get some more information.

Mort Walker wrote:
Supermax prison is worse than death. You are in complete solitary confinement, denied all human contact and food provided from a slot.
Well don’t go by infomercial like show on discovery channel. US has laws against cruel and unusual punishment. What you wrote is likey true for extremely violent criminals; it won’t apply to Mousavi or Headly as they are not violent prone inmates [inside prison]. Of course life will be Spartan with sparse comfort; they will have some time movement out of cell and ability to have some contact with lawyers and family. Again going back to Ramzi Yousef case, Judge had imposed Similar [to what you wrote] restriction on him during sentencing, many of them were overturned by appeals court when rights group appealed it.

Will try to address other issues as and when I get time
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Amber G. wrote:I might write a small piece about technical aspect of that and how that is relevant to India's scenario which, who knows, might be accepted as as an SRR piece. :)
yes please !
anything with those 3 letters will force me to comment in my capacity as self styled publicist of SRR ! :D
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AmberG please do so.

Meanwhile PTI reports:
FLASH | Wednesday, December 9, 2009 | Email | Print |


Headley's cellphone, apartment registered in dead persons name

PTI | Washington


LeT operative David Headley's cellphone and his Chicago apartment were registered in the names of dead persons and investigations have found that he was leading a double life under directions from the Pakistan- based terror outfit, according to the FBI.

Headley changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006 to further his cover, the FBI said.

A team of officials from FBI and the Justice Department headed for Pakistan from Delhi to follow up on leads after briefing Indian authorities on its investigations into the conspiracy involving Headley, a Pakistani-American, and his Pakistani-Canadian accomplice Tahawwur Rana, in the Mumbai terror attacks.

"We have been having close consultations with Pakistani authorities in this investigation and the joint FBI-Department of Justice team will meet officials of various government agencies," US Embassy spokesman in Islamabad Rick Snelsire told PTI.

In New Delhi, Home Secretary G K Pillai said the terrorists were working on new strategies and the time has come to "think the unthinkable".

"As we have seen from the Headley case that one can still slip through the radar...Because nobody will look for a US citizen with an American passport and a business visa".

49-year-old Headley has been charged by the FBI for helping plot last year's 26/11 attacks that left 166 including six foreigners dead and 304 injured.

In August this year, deceptive answers at the airport about his travels abroad aroused the suspicion of officials and subsequently led to his arrest.

He was questioned by an inspector and ambiguous responses began to unravel his double life, the Wall Street Journal reported quoting Law Enforcement officials.

On being quizzed, Headley said he with a company named First World Immigration Service which, investigators believe, provided him a cover to scout for terror targets for LeT.

Headley's luggage was searched and it "contained no papers or other documents relating to such a business," according to court documents. They also searched tax records and found no record of income paid to Headley by the company, court records show.

Headley has been charged on twelve counts including conspiracy to bomb public places in India, to murder and maim persons in India and Denmark and provide material support to foreign terrorist plots and to provide material support to LeT.

He has also been charged of aiding and abetting murder of US citizens in India.
And folks still dont think its covert action job?
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WSJ article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1260319 ... %3Darticle

Terror suspect failed a test
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There are a number of TSP born but US citizens employed by Indian companies in Mumbai who are TSP sympathizers. Each one of them should be investigated.
Next in line is Gulf born, but from TSP parents. They are a little better as they grew up on "Urdu" films.
Next in line is Europe/UK/US born but with TSP parents. They also have been misguided about the real Islam.
The question is why OBL brand of Islamism more popular than Muhammad Yunus brand among these people?
Rishi wrote:Time to "think the unthinkable" to deal with terrorists
New Delhi, Dec.9 (PTI) The Government today said the case of Pakistani-American David Headley showed the time has come to "think the unthinkable" as terrorists were working on new strategies to break the country's security.

"As we have seen from the David Headley case that one can still slip through the radar. Because we are not looking for them. This is one of the big problem. Because nobody would look for a US citizen, with a US passport and a business visa, you would not think that he is a terrorist," Home Secretary G K Pillai said.

The Home Secretary said if it can happen to a US national, it can happen to citizen of any other country and favoured necessary steps to deal with such cases.
We need to re-profile the ideal piglet, from an Ajmal Kasab, to a blackberry toting, email dashing, ITvity literate "person like us". Their HQ is not a kave kaamplex in Tora Bora, but well equipped netwoeked room in downtown London or Karachi.
/reorienting
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Patni wrote:U.S. man pleads not guilty for role in Mumbai attacks
CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Chicago man accused of being a scout in the 2008 attacks in Mumbai on Wednesday pleaded not guilty to the charges during his first court appearance since his October arrest by U.S. authorities............
:-? If Daood Gilani is "cooperating with authorities" why has he "pleaded not guilty to the charges" :?:
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arun wrote: :-? If Daood Gilani is "cooperating with authorities" why has he "pleaded not guilty to the charges" :?:
You need to watch "Law and Order" more :lol:

If Headley pleads guilty then he loses all leverage. If you are a crook who has been caught, you please not guilty and then negotiate terms of a plea bargain before trial. During the negotiations, the crook may give up bits and pieces of information as good faith gestures with the idea that the sentence would be reduced once he agrees to spill all the beans, testify against his bosses etc.

For their part, the US Attorney's office would check out his info, judge if Headley is really cooperating or not and then figure out what deal they can cut. I'd not be surprised if they offer to take the Death penalty off the table and/or deny extradition to India as incentives to get Headley to do what they want him to do.
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The patriots!
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The important thing is to meticulosly analyse all visas granted to pak born citizens from chicago and other consulates in USA and Europe and do a follow up on them - regarding their movements to Pak etc.
Are we doing this now. Also bring to book the chicago head after investigation.Are we up to it? Or our IFS biradari cover it up?
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Chicago man's arrest forestalled terror attacks on Jewish-Israeli sites in India
DEBKAfile Special Report

US and Indian security sources say the arrest of the Pakistan-born American David Coleman Headley in Chicago on suspicion of complicity in the Mumbai terrorist atrocity in Nov. 2008 found him fully prepared to mount a wave of attacks this month on Israeli El Al airline offices, synagogues and Chabad hospitality centers across India, DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources report.

A key figure in an al Qaeda-linked cell in Chicago, Headley changed his name from Daood Gilani to travel as an American without incurring suspicion. Four months after the Mumbai siege, in which 170 people lost their lives in including six Americans, he was back in India on the same mission as before: selecting targets, advance surveillance, laying in secret caches of explosives and firearms for the Lashkar e-Taibe operatives to pick up on the sites of attack, and determining their exit point.

Headley traveled to India five times on the same mission in the two years leading up to the Mumbai attack by Lashkar e-Taibe elite units.

This Pakistan-based Islamist group acts as al Qaeda's operational arm for its campaign of terror in India.

Last March, Headley booked into a small hotel near El Al offices in New Delhi for the surveillance of comings and goings and the security set up. He then rented a room in the Holiday Inn hotel opposite the Chabad center in the Indian capital, where many Israeli backpackers are made welcome. There, too, as he did in Mumbai, he visited the center in the guise of an Orthodox Jew and potential donor.

(The terrorist team which attacked the Chabad center in Mumbai last year murdered all six occupants as per their instructions not to leave anyone alive in the building.)

From Delhi, Headley travelled to Pushkar in Rajasthan, another spot popular with Israelis, where he booked into a room overlooking the synagogue saying he wanted to be in close rapport with the house of prayer.

Three days later, he was on the road to the village of Anjuna at the Arabian Sea resort of Goa, where he observed the habits of young Israeli tourists.

By October this year, when Headley was arrested along with at least one accomplice in the Chicago cell, they had made up their list of targeted Jewish and Israeli locations in India ready for attack. Those attacks were to have gone forward in late November and early December this year, only by then Headley and his accomplices in the Chicago terror cell were behind bars awaiting trial.

The former Daood Gilani faces 12 counts of terrorist conspiracy to bomb public buildings in India and murder and maim individuals in India and Denmark, for which he could be sentenced to death.

For more about the wide ranging charges against this first US-based al Qaeda cell orchestrating attacks world wide, click HERE.
Chicago man charged in Mumbai terror plot, Pakistani ex-general detained
Pakistan-born US citizen David Coleman Headley, 49, first arrested in October in Chicago faces 12 counts of terrorist conspiracy to bomb public buildings in India and murder and maim individuals in India and Denmark, for which he could be sentenced to death.

The son of a former Pakistani diplomat who Americanized his name from Daoou Gilani, Headley was charged with a Chicago businessman, Canadian citizen Tahawwur Rana, 48.

DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources revealed earlier that in Chicago, Headley and his accomplices ran al Qaeda's first known US-based headquarters for orchestrating worldwide terrorist operations.

Following the joint FBI-Indian intelligence investigation into the Mumbai attack, the Pakistani army has confirmed it has retired Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in custody. He is being questioned on his ties with Headley and Rana.

Court documents show Headley made five extended trips to Mumbai for surveillance to set up the Nov. 2008 attacks for the al Qaeda-linked Pakistani Lashkar-e-Taibe which killed 160 people including six Americans.

The Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, the Leopold Café, the Chabad Center and Mumbai train station were attacked with guns, grenades and explosives in the terrorists' three-day siege.

The Pakistani general is said to have coordinated surveillance of the Danish newspaper and participated in planning an attack there with Lashkar-e-Taibe and a man called Ilyas Kashmiri, leader of the Harakat-ul Jihad Islami terrorist group. Two months after the Mumbai atrocity, in January, Headley is said to have visited Pakistan and was taken by Gen. Abbas to the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas on the Pakistan-Afghan borders where al Qaeda and Taliban maintain headquarters.
These are the "moral" terrorists. They are striking Israeli interests and the anti-islamic Danish newspapers. The Israeli visit for close co-operation on counter terrorism and intelligence, is probably due to these developments and clear plans to target Israeli/Jewish targets in India. I hear Chabad houses will now have armed guards from Israeli private security firms in India.
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So LeT member "A" is Maj Gen Athar Abbas?
Following the joint FBI-Indian intelligence investigation into the Mumbai attack, the Pakistani army has confirmed it has retired Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in custody. He is being questioned on his ties with Headley and Rana.

Court documents show Headley made five extended trips to Mumbai for surveillance to set up the Nov. 2008 attacks for the al Qaeda-linked Pakistani Lashkar-e-Taibe which killed 160 people including six Americans.

The Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, the Leopold Café, the Chabad Center and Mumbai train station were attacked with guns, grenades and explosives in the terrorists' three-day siege.

The Pakistani general is said to have coordinated surveillance of the Danish newspaper and participated in planning an attack there with Lashkar-e-Taibe and a man called Ilyas Kashmiri, leader of the Harakat-ul Jihad Islami terrorist group. Two months after the Mumbai atrocity, in January, Headley is said to have visited Pakistan and was taken by Gen. Abbas to the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas on the Pakistan-Afghan borders where al Qaeda and Taliban maintain headquarters.

What do we know about this miscreant?
By the way is this fellow different from the TSPA spokesman?
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ramana wrote:
FLASH | Wednesday, December 9, 2009 | Email | Print |


Headley's cellphone, apartment registered in dead persons name

PTI | Washington


LeT operative David Headley's cellphone and his Chicago apartment were registered in the names of dead persons and investigations have found that he was leading a double life under directions from the Pakistan- based terror outfit, according to the FBI.
And folks still dont think its covert action job?
The guy to me seems to be a trained intel operative, or was given basic training.

Ramana, covert action job by who? Pak?
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Yes by Pak. It wasn't just a terrorist action.
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What Rangudu said a few post above ...
Plea deal apparently in works for terror suspect Headley
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Beginning to sound like that series "Sleeper Cell"
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In Shyamd's above post, the first story says many new attacks in India in numerous places were forestalled - Delhi Chabad House, Goa beaches etc. etc.

How so, when no one has been rounded up yet or any of the arms/explosives caches were not yet recovered.

So where are the terrorists expected to carry out this attack? If these were scehduled to be carried out on 26/11 anniversary those miscreants should already be in India for they cant take the sea route and arrive Just in Time.
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headley was not responsible for the recent overtures of the Goa beaches and Other warings. The guy ( mole) must be tracked by now and all his comm must have been intercepted.

may be waiting for the right move and time
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Ramana, I think the fact that plans would now have been found out about was probably a deterent. Some of the attackers would have come from pak assets in J&K or entry from BD border? Or assets in the country? Equipment can be transferred from J&K?

The store of cache's should be looked into.
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This arrested Athar Abbas is different form the ISPR lying-through-his-teeth director Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas.

It is possible that the Gen. added to the name arrested is erroneous.
There were reports that a retired Major was arrested, and for dork media that Major has become Major General because of the similarity in the name.
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Here is a view connecting some dots -
Indian intelligence believes that Headley was an undercover U.S. agent who went rogue, says a source familiar with their thinking. Headley, who is now cooperating with federal authorities in the terror probe, has evidently admitted joining Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2006, and having received training in one of their terror camps in Pakistan. This theory goes that Headley was used by U.S. intelligence to infiltrate the Lashkar terrorists, but gradually turned under the influence of those very terrorists he was supposed to spy on.
Making of a Terrorist, by Gerald Posner, The Daily Beast
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shyamd wrote: Chicago man charged in Mumbai terror plot, Pakistani ex-general detained
Following the joint FBI-Indian intelligence investigation into the Mumbai attack, the Pakistani army has confirmed it has retired Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in custody.
Ajmal Kasab's confessions refer to a Major General saheb who frequently visited their terror training camps in Thatta and elsewhere in the company of Hafeez Saeed. See this post

DT also reported arrest of five PA officers including a Brig. Gen.
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NIA would have know the name , what kasab stated would not have been reported in full. if this name ( Abbas ) and what headley stated are the same then that makes some sence;now the quetion is,is this the same guy as the one who heads their ISPR or their Info bureau ( gagan has clarified as different but will wait and watcvh) nevertheless Mr abbas's boss is to be tracked
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Malayappan wrote:Here is a view connecting some dots -
Indian intelligence believes that Headley was an undercover U.S. agent who went rogue, says a source familiar with their thinking. Headley, who is now cooperating with federal authorities in the terror probe, has evidently admitted joining Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2006, and having received training in one of their terror camps in Pakistan. This theory goes that Headley was used by U.S. intelligence to infiltrate the Lashkar terrorists, but gradually turned under the influence of those very terrorists he was supposed to spy on.
Making of a Terrorist, by Gerald Posner, The Daily Beast
This is the news I was waiting for. This cross training between PA and US/Intel has been there for the last 40 years. Almost all plots by PA against India are known to US Intel and undercover are used by both sides to gain info. But after 911 and after Musharraf there has been a breakdown and loss of confidence. 26/11 was to expose all PA undercover agents in US continent. It has given them bounty with serving officers of the PA
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Acharya, this is OT here and I will not post further. But, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) had been involved in terrorism in the Indian Punjab.
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Not a surprise
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What is up with these American motormas and muslim men?

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The US-born son of a former Pakistani diplomat and an American mother, Headley changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006 so he could "present himself in India as an American who was neither Muslim nor Pakistani", charging documents said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091210/pl ... 1210115813

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Here is a little more information on David Coleman Headley:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_14

In 1963, Salim {Headley's father} took his family back to Pakistan to raise his children as devout Muslims, but Sheryl {Headley's mother} refused to submit until the marriage broke up in 1973. In Pakistan, David went to , but his mother got a court ruling in her favour in 1977, allowing her to take David back to the US.

Sheryl owned a pub in the US called the Khyber Pass and passed away in 2008. When he arrived back in the US at 17 to live with his American mother, David could not exactly cope with the cultural shock.

He did not complete college and eventually fell victim to drug and narcotics abuse. David ran a video store in Philadelphia, and in 1998, he was convicted of conspiring to smuggle heroin into the US from Pakistan.
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In reading the posts above, I hope that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is not confused with the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). The former is part of the Department of Defense and the latter is a civilian agency under the Dept. of Justice, similar to the FBI.

Coming to the Headley case and FBI, the touchstone of US sincerety is in whether they share all material evidences asked for by Indian authorities. Specifically, recordings of Headley's phone calls with his LeT handler will give us voice samples and conclusively prove whether "LeT Member A" was one of the 26/11 handlers, especially the one known as "Zarar Shah"

If Unkil refuses to share this or tries a dance trick, we can throw the "cooperation" joint statement in the toilet.
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We have previous posts on the subject of Headley's connection with DEA and his co-operation and geting reduced sentence and all and how he mingled with diplomatic crowd while in Mumbai and playing golf to get networking with such groups. There is more then a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidences that he sure had some official US government connections in the 1997-2002 time frame. couple of jurnos in USA also digged up on his connection with DEA and here is what they found!

Making of a Terrorist
David Headley, now suspected of aiding the Mumbai attacks, was a U.S. drug informant, Gerald Posner confirms. Did this help him become a terrorist? And was he actually a double agent? Plus: Read Philip Shenon’s exclusive report on Headley’s ties to visa companies.

The news that a 49-year-old Chicagoan, David Headley, was arrested on 12 counts of murder and providing material support to a terror group for last year’s deadly attack in Mumbai, has again raised the specter of homegrown terrorists, that may even, as The Daily Beast reported, have served as a kind of “underground railroad” to bring other militants into the country.

The Daily Beast has since learned that Headley’s connections to the Drug Enforcement Administration's murky intelligence unit—which I confirmed yesterday—might have played a role in his alleged conversion to terrorism. Additionally, sources at a foreign intelligence agency tell me that he might have been a double agent who turned on the U.S.

Indian intelligence believes that Headley was an undercover U.S. agent who went rogue, says a source familiar with their thinking.

Headley was allegedly valuable to Lakshar-e-Taiba—the Pakistani terror group that pulled off the Mumbai attack—because as an American he traveled easily and undetected between the U.S., India, Pakistan, and Denmark (where he’s been linked to a plot to kill a Danish cartoonist who angered fundamentalist Muslims with his lampooning cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad). Born in Washington, but raised mostly in Pakistan, Headley’s father was a former Pakistani diplomat and his mother a onetime Philadelphia socialite. It’s there that Headley moved in the 1970s to live with his mother and attended a community college.

In February 1997, Headley was arrested in New York for conspiracy to import heroin into the U.S. The indictment was brought under his original name, Daood Saleem Gilani, along with a codefendant James Leslie Lewis. (Lewis got a 10-year sentence, later reduced to 100 months.)

Headley was detained pending trial. After the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of New York submitted five sealed documents, Headley was released on bond (those sealed papers are probably the official notice that he had chosen to cooperate with prosecutors, and he did later testify for the government in another heroin case). Headley got a 15-month sentence and five years of supervised release. My review of the court documents in the case indicates that Headley was scheduled to turn himself in on October 9, 1998. A week before that, the prosecutors submitted another sealed letter into the file. Headley’s surrender date was postponed for a month. When he did turn himself in, he was delivered to the low-security Federal Correctional Institution in Fort Dix, New Jersey.

The following July, a letter endorsed by Headley’s New York-based attorney, Howard Leader, requested permission for Headley to travel to Pakistan from August 10, 1999, through September 15. Judge Carol Amon granted the unusual request for the Pakistani travel. By that time, a former agent with the DEA discloses to The Daily Beast that Headley had begun cooperating with the agency, whose investigators had originally made the case against him. (The DEA had no comment on any aspect of Headley or his alleged informant status.)

There is no record of that first trip Headley took to Pakistan for the feds, and Fort Dix refuses to disclose any information about his supervised leave from their facility in 1999. But the same DEA source, who fingers Headley as an informant, says he did travel to Pakistan that year and conducted undercover surveillance operations on an Afpak drug gang. What is indisputable is that on November 16, 2001, just two months after the 9/11 attacks, Leader, Headley’s attorney, and an assistant U.S. attorney, Loan Hong, made a joint application to Judge Amon to terminate Headley’s supervised release three years early. Judge Amon agreed and discharged Headley from any further probation
Does anyone still believes us admin just were impressed with his behavior and thought he didnt need any supervision within 2 months of 9/11 and all out efforts launched to activate what ever resources USA had in responce to 9/11?

Here is a report that spells out what might unfold in near future, trying to discredit that he might have been a CIA agent, in this really "Curious Case of Headley"
Rumors of David Headley, rogue CIA asset
By DAVEED GARTENSTEIN-ROSS December 11, 2009 5:45 PM
David Headley was convicted on heroin smuggling charges in 1998, and the available evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the following year he did undercover surveillance work in Pakistan for the DEA in exchange for a reduced sentence. During his time in Pakistan in 1999, his surveillance target was reportedly a drug gang based in Afghanistan/Pakistan. This has given rise to speculation among Indian officials that Headley's work for the U.S. government may have gone beyond the DEA. The speculation holds that DEA may have passed Headley on to the CIA, given his experience in Pakistan, and the CIA in turn used Hadley to infiltrate Lashkar-e-Taiba. These rumors do not contend that the Mumbai attacks were thus a CIA operation; rather, they suggest that Headley had "gone rogue" by 2006 and thrown his lot in with LeT completely. Gerald Posner has a piece in the Daily Beast that does a good job of showing the factual backdrop that fueled this speculation.

I should say at the outset that the rumors are by no means completely outlandish, but I do not think they're correct. I spoke with a senior US intelligence official today who works on Afghanistan/Pakistan, and told me unequivocally that Headley was never a CIA asset. Though I assess this source to be extremely trustworthy, most people quite reasonably do not put too much stock in the denials of unnamed officials, so let me provide a couple of reasons why I believe his denial to be correct.

First, it isn't clear when this speculation holds that Headley was passed along to the CIA to be used as an asset. The Posner piece makes clear that this could not have occurred before November 2001, when Headley's attorney and an assistant US attorney jointly applied to have Headley's supervised release terminated three years early. But the unfortunate fact (which speaks to the US intelligence community's blind spots) is that LeT was at that point not considered a top priority. LeT was not designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US State Department until Dec. 26, 2001, following the attack on the Indian parliament. Even after that, it wasn't until 2003-2004 that the intelligence community was truly focused on LeT. This may create timeline problems for some of this speculation that in turn give rise to additional questions (i.e., why would Headley have an incentive to start working for the CIA in 2003 if he had already been released from prison?).

Second, the speculation may assume a degree of interagency cooperation that generally does not exist. Most US government agencies are quite hesitant to turn their assets over to the CIA, because they then lose any kind of access to those assets. Beyond that, the DEA and CIA have very different mandates, and penetrating a drug gang is far easier than penetrating LeT. This was particularly true when LeT had a closer working relationship with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), and the ISI's counterintelligence services helped to shield LeT from penetration. But even now Pakistani jihadist groups are careful about providing access to outsiders, something made clear by this Wall Street Journal article. So it isn't clear that Headley would be easily passed from the DEA to the CIA.

These are two reasons supporting my source's unequivocal statement that Headley did not work for the CIA. As I said earlier, I trust the official with whom I spoke, but let me make one final point. If Headley were a CIA asset, we will know very, very soon. This is because Headley faces some serious criminal charges, and almost certainly is being threatened with the prospect of extradition to India -- something he does not want under any circumstances. If Headley had ever worked for the CIA, his lawyers would present this fact, and soon, as a sort of entrapment defense: arguing that the present charges are unfair because the US government initially made him reach out to LeT. If he never raises such a defense, hopefully these rumors will be short-lived.
I had posted at very start of thread that FBI been given complete control over the case and unprecedented interaction of FBI with its India counterparts and keeping CIA out of the loop does sound like US government has something to hide and efforts are on to control what, how much and when, comes out in public about the whole case!
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For Terror Suspect, a Life of Contradictions WSJ, Dec 12, 2009
Mr. Headley's father desired "to live exactly in accordance with the word of Muhammad," said William L. Headley, a 61-year-old uncle....."I have this image of him," said William Headley. "He would have the Koran under one arm and a bottle of Dom Pérignon under the other. He loved Armani suits and yet would wear native dress and a beard at other times. He is an extremely rare bird."
The DEA told a sentencing judge that Mr. Headley helped "infiltrate the very close-knit Pakistani narcotics dealing community in New York."
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Rangudu wrote:In reading the posts above, I hope that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is not confused with the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).
Not at all.
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Well if US does not come clean regarding Headley then there is a good chance that Headley was a CIA asset deployed against Indian interests.

Following things are odd about Headley:

1. His Paki father met his mother under a program funded by US government
2. His mother is as American as it gets
3. He was an informant for DEA as confirmed by one of the articles posted by Patni
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