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brihaspati wrote:RaviBg ji,
in that case wouldnt the correct version be "wa" (uaw) and not "va" - as both exist in Sanskrit and are distinct? It should phonetically be closer to "Sa[wa-ya]sachi"? I guess, "va" should be taken as "wa" while actual "va" is usurped by "bh".
Please no "ji" for me. Just Ravi/RaviBg is sufficient :)

It should actually be "va" as in the alphabets "ya ra La va". I don't think it is 'uaw" as in "saurav", but more like in "satya".

In devanagari script, it is this: सव्यसाचि

If you have Bhagavad Gita, check out verse 33 in 11th chapter.
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Mahabharata, Book 7: Chapter 158
भारथ्वाजं जिघांसन्तौ सव्यसाचि वृकॊथरौ समार्छन मामका युथ्धे कदं संजय शंस मे

No thats definitely the "uwa" sound, the "ba" sound will retain the left slash in yuktakshara within the semicircle attached to "ya". :) But I think you are correct in the representation as in English. The pronunciation should however have "uwa".
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brihaspati wrote:Gandib could not have been very long if made out of horns only. More modern horn bows are small. But in reality the horn aspect could be an allusion to the way multi-layered composite bows were actually made. Here flattened pieces of the horn would be used within layers. Central Asian horn included composite/reverse bows are compact small and typically meant for firing while on the move or on horseback.
While central asian bows were small, samurai bows were pretty much standard size - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabusame
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brihaspati wrote:Mahabharata, Book 7: Chapter 158
भारथ्वाजं जिघांसन्तौ सव्यसाचि वृकॊथरौ समार्छन मामका युथ्धे कदं संजय शंस मे

No thats definitely the "uwa" sound, the "ba" sound will retain the left slash in yuktakshara within the semicircle attached to "ya". :) But I think you are correct in the representation as in English. The pronunciation should however have "uwa".
This verse is incorrectly transliterated..

Furthermore, there is no sound for w in indic languages, nor we have symbol for v (व्ह)... Indic व is different from w and v respectively.. v is more aspirant while w is lot more labial than व...

it is सव्यसाची and not सब्यसाची as it is commonly pronounced by Bangla speakers..

The correct verse is -

भारद्वाजं जिघाम्संतौ सव्यसाची वृकोदरौ l समार्चन मामका युद्धे कथं संजय शंसमे ll MBH - 7/158/17
bhāradvājaṃ jighāṃsantau savyasāci vṛkodarau.... samārchan māmakā yuddhe kathaṃ saṃjaya śaṃsa me
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OT. I am sure all must have noted that the word "Discussion" in the title has wrong spelling. Is it deliberately put this way? :roll:
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Chiron ji,
I quoted with reference to "savyasachi" only in that verse. The point is that it is not the nagari "ba", but neither it is the authetic "bha" in nagari - and therefore the pronunciation cannot be strictly represented by "va" as in English "v" cannot be really separated from "bh" that much (there is a diff - but almost impossible to articulate even by native speakers). However if we take the Anglicization convention used in English academic treatment - like "ca==cha" etc, then "va" represents the correct sound which is a convex linear combination of "u" (as in "but", "gut" not as in "University") and "aw" (as in "awe").
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http://devdutt.com/

Devdutt Pattnaik uses "mythologies" to give his take on contemporary way of life.
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B-ji,

Don’t remember where you were discussing about the origins of “Sindhu” name. Recently I came across two different sources. See if they give any additional insight.

First one is the Sanskrit word “Sindhu” means immense amount of water indicating a Ocean. The Vedas are also called Sindhu because all the paths of knowledge merge in Vedas. In “Andhrulevaru” book Sri Kota Venkatachalam garu says that “Aryans” are decedents of Sapta-Rishis (could indicate the Sapta-Sindhu) and only they belong to the Chatur-Varna system (might bring us to gotra-system).

The second reference is a vedic-astronomy book, I am reading now. In that the ancient Bharatiyas observed that our Milkyway galaxy has seven streams. For example: the first stream goes thru ‘vrikamu’ (Lupus), ‘Aswataram’ (Centaurus), ‘Trisanku’ (Crux/Australis), ‘Madhumakshika’ or ‘Saraghaa’ (Musca), ‘Krauncha’ or ‘Prahlada’ (Apus), ‘Yayaati’ (Triangulum Australis), ‘Vedika’ (Ara, The Altar) and reaches the south pole.

The author of this Vedic-astronomy book is an ex Dep. Director of National Physical Laboratories, whose family has leftist-influences for three generations. While the information in that book is very interesting and illuminating, I have few “Hindutvavadi” doubts on few assumptions the author made. For example he tried to calculate the “Aditi Yuga” and concludes against the astronomical possibility of it being say 20,000BC without any justification as it is “impossible” and settles at more comfortable 4000-5000 BC. The second issue I have is that because most of the stars and constellations carry names of Puranic and Epic personalities, the author proposes that most of those puranic stories to be imaginative creations by Bharatiyas to indicate some astronomical events. Somehow it sounds illogical to me as, if for some reason people name a supernova star as RamaY to indicate an important astronomical event in distant future say 4356 AD, that doesn’t mean I did not exist in 2009 AD right?
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RamaY, For sake of the rest of us who dont have access to the book especially if its not in English, please write a short summary and give the title and author.

Thanks, ramana
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Antiquity and Origin of the Term 'Hindu'

http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com/antiquityhindu.pdf
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Will do Ramanaji.

The Telugu in that book is a little cryptic as it jumps from one thought to another.

The book explains the star constellations, their positions, Earth/Sun movement, and how each culture interpreted the key astronomical events. The most interesting part, to me, is something Sri Kota Venkatachalam garu wrote in "Andhrulevaru" book. I didn’t include it in my summary as I thought it was kind of OT to that thread. In that Sri Kota talks about the migrations of non-vedic people from Bharat to other continents and in this book the author talks about where greek, persian, mayan and vedic calanders coincide and how Vedic calendar predate all those civilizations.

The only disagreement I have with this book is that it is JNU-centric in its approach to Indic-history. The author attempted to limit the Bharat history to ~6000BC for unknown reasons. He tries to allude all the Vedic stories as imaginative interpretations of astronomical events and nothing real. I believe that need not be true, and the real events are dated using the (spiral) astronomical calendar instead of a linear calendar. Let’s see.
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Tell me about the migrations of non vedic people from Kota garu's book. Is there any thing about red haired people being banished from Bharatavarsha?
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This is what Sri Kota says in his book:
In ancient times Bharatiya society was built upon the Varna system consisting of Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaisya, and Sudra varnas. The acceptable intermingling was “Anuloma” where a man from higher Varna has children with a woman from lower Varna, and a few exceptional cases of “Viloma” where a woman from higher Varna has children with man from lower Varna. All these people were called “Aryas”. The sole Dharma/Purpose of a king was to ensure the citizens’ compliance to Varna system and protect the janapada’s from external threats.

People born out of this system and people who denounced Vedas were called “Dasyas” and were kicked out of the society. Some of them settled around the Janapadas and served and lived off of the society. But few others would revolt against society and cause troubles. They were kicked out of Bharata Varsha by Aryan-kings. The number of outcastes grew over time, and some of them moved westwards and started attacking and pillaging each other. Overtime they formed into groups which were called tribes and that lasted until the medieval times 14-15 century. And this concept of “Tribes” was brought into India with the advent of colonization by European “Tribes”.

Hindu history is full of battles between various kings and kingdoms but all of them belonged to Arya/Bharatiya race. There is not a single mentioning of a “Tribe” or “Race” invading another Race in any of Bharatiya literature (Sruti/Smriti/Puranas).

In Vide Keller’s “The Lake Dwellings” and Taylor’s “The Origins of the Aryans”, they wrote “The Europeans became in time many races and tribes and that they, mixing with the barbarians became themselves savages, have been clearly proved by the researches of European scholars”.
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All see the chapter on Mahabharata on page 77 in Upinder Singh's book

Delhi: Ancient History
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Sir Richard Francis Burton"Vikram And The Vampire:Classic Hindu Tales of Adventure, Magic, and Romance "
PDF | ISBN not applicable | Year 1870 | 209 pages | English

Vikram and The Vampire is a collection of tales and legends from India. It was originally written in Sanskrit. Like Arabian Nights, it is a set of tales, within a frame story.

According to Isabel Burton, the Baital Pachisi "is the germ which culminated in the Arabian Nights, and which inspired the "Golden Ass" of Apuleius, Boccacio's "Decamerone," the "Pentamerone," and all that class of facetious fictitious literature.". :mrgreen:

The story revolves around the semi-legendary King Vikram, identified as Vikramaditya (c. 1st century BC). Vikram promises a tantric sorcerer (Vamachara) to bring him the Baital (or Vetala in Sanskrit), a huge vampire. Baital hangs on a tree and inhabits and animates dead bodies. Vikram faces many difficulties in bringing the Baital to the tantric.
Amazing Joseph Jacobs says all folk tales of Europe are copies of Panchatantra!
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ramana wrote:
Sir Richard Francis Burton"Vikram And The Vampire:Classic Hindu Tales of Adventure, Magic, and Romance "
PDF | ISBN not applicable | Year 1870 | 209 pages | English

Vikram and The Vampire is a collection of tales and legends from India. It was originally written in Sanskrit. Like Arabian Nights, it is a set of tales, within a frame story.

According to Isabel Burton, the Baital Pachisi "is the germ which culminated in the Arabian Nights, and which inspired the "Golden Ass" of Apuleius, Boccacio's "Decamerone," the "Pentamerone," and all that class of facetious fictitious literature.". :mrgreen:

The story revolves around the semi-legendary King Vikram, identified as Vikramaditya (c. 1st century BC). Vikram promises a tantric sorcerer (Vamachara) to bring him the Baital (or Vetala in Sanskrit), a huge vampire. Baital hangs on a tree and inhabits and animates dead bodies. Vikram faces many difficulties in bringing the Baital to the tantric.
Amazing Joseph Jacobs says all folk tales of Europe are copies of Panchatantra!
According to another description I read somewhere most of the European folk-tales are either from India or Russia. Will see if I can find the link.
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Preface of Joseph Jacobs "Indian Fairy Tales"

http://www.authorama.com/indian-fairy-tales-1.html

and on transmission of tales:

http://www.authorama.com/chapters-on-je ... re-15.html
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Even thoug the op-ed is about Liberhan Commission's report the writer wrties about the importance of Rama.


http://www.dailypioneer.com/220211/Libe ... rties.html

OPED | Friday, December 4, 2009 |


Liberhan liberties

Anuradha Dutt

Demonising Hindu beliefs defines pseudo-secularism

The Liberhan Commission report, probing the circumstances of the Babri Masjid demolition, is on expected lines as it ‘indicts’ some Hindutva proponents and exonerates Congress leaders even though the locks of the mosque were unlocked during the tenure of the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government at the Centre. The inquiry commission clearly does not seem to believe that is any cause for indicting the Congress for its failure to challenge the order of the Faizabad District and Sessions Court to open the locks of the Babri masjid structure on February 1, 1986. Or the fact that Rajendra Kumari Bajpai, Minister for Waqf , had advised angry Muslims “to take recourse to law and not to create disturbance”, a reflection of the ruling regime’s stance at that time.

However, the supposedly shocking revelation about the late Congress stalwart Gulzari Lal Nanda being a closet Ramjanmabhoomi temple supporter really serves to expose the anti-Hindu proclivities of temple opponents. Given here is the relevant excerpt, concerning Nanda, who briefly served as acting Prime Minister after the demise of Jawaharlal Nehru and Lal Bahadur Shastri in 1964 and 1966.

“Professor Rajendra Singh, RSS leader Dau Dayal Khanna, Gulzari Lal Nanda, the die-hard Hindus, in connivance with people with similar thoughts, started conceiving and exploiting the local dispute at a national level”.

The report adds: “Maybe for their selfish political reasons or for advancing their old theory of Hindu Rashtra”.

While Nanda is not alive to admit or deny the charge, it is inexplicable why the temple campaign and, by extension, Ram, should be demonised, considering that Ramchandra, as one of the most important incarnations of Vishnu, is central to the Indic worldview as much as regimen of worship. Over several millennia, he has been revered as being ‘Maryada Purushottam’, supreme among men in dignity, just as Krishna is ‘Leela Purushottam’, supreme in sportive play. His popularity owes to the belief that the Ram mantra gives deliverance quickly. Mahatma Gandhi, the Congress’s enduring mentor as much as of the secular lobby, which is most strident in opposing the proposed Ram temple at Ayodhya, too drew inspiration from him throughout his life.

The king of Ayodhya was the spiritual and temporal ideal, and his rule was just and moral. He was the compassionate saviour of the destitute woman Shabari, rewarding her pure devotion by accepting berries she had tasted to ascertain their sweetness. He so redeemed her. In an expanding theistic universe, a great syncretistic thrust came from the story of Ram. He was the god of the twice-born but equally dear to those dwelling outside the pale of society. His other great devotee, Valmiki, was at first an outlaw. He waylaid travellers and robbed and killed them, as a means to support his wife and children. Chanting the name of Ram, at the behest of the sage Narad, transformed him completely. Valmiki eventually authored the Sanskrit epic Ramayan, which inspired numerous retellings of the saga in India and south-east Asian countries, and in the present time, widely viewed television serials. The story of Ram has thus become part of the world’s heritage, a universal moral allegory. Therefore, for Indians to try and demonise this heritage is tantamount to denying it.

Ram’s immense compassion especially endeared him to marginalised people. Goswami Tulsidas’ Ramcharit Manas, written in the spoken tongue, Awadhi, further popularised his worship. The aspiration to restore his birthplace was the inevitable outcome of the growing reach of Ram bhakti. And divested of politics, there is nothing unnatural in such a desire. Just as Bethlehem is sacred for devout Christian because it is Jesus’s birthplace, and Mecca is revered by Muslims for being the birthplace of Prophet Mohammed and Islam, so too Ayodhya, an ancient town and pilgrimage, long preceding the advent of Islam, has a special hold on the Hindu psyche for being the birthplace of Ram. And the popular belief is that the site of the Babri mosque was the exact spot where he was born.

Apparently, two years after the battle of Panipat in 1526, Mir Baqi, a general in Babur’s army, destroyed a Ram temple in Ayodhya and built a mosque on its remains. The Nirmohi Akhara, a sect of sadhus, in the 18th century laid claim to the site, considering it to be Ram’s birthplace. They were opposed by the mosque’s custodians because usurped and desecrated Hindu pilgrimages represented for them the dominion of Islam. Today, sadly, nothing less than demonising Hindu gods and beliefs fits our definition of the secular ideal.
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Book Review:


T.S. Bhanumurthy, "A Modern Introduction To Ancient Indian Mathematics"
New Age Publications | 2009 | ISBN: 812242600X | 272 pages

Suitable for students and teachers of mathematics, this book deals with the historical continuity of Indian Mathematics, starting from the Sulba Sutras of the Vedas up to the 17th century.
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This is going to cause some takleef: http://murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm

But definitely a good read about Alexander as Skanda.
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the connection does look a bit stretched to my eyes. why is it so hard to believe that alexander had a minor influence only in a border state of ancient India nad hence was not remembered ?

VA smith sounds almost fuming that the natives didn't sing paeans to the great western hero ! :lol:
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Okay, one more on the same subject:
Dionysus and Kataragama:Parallel Mystery Cults
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"Indro Mayabhi Pururoop eeyate |" Rigveda 6/47/18

I never knew the traditional meaning of the Indra until i listened the following. It appears in Upnishads Indra stands for "Self", the "Aatma or Brahmn".

http://www.filecube.net/beta/files/get/ ... ayabhi.mp3

It is in Hindi but it is very Sanskritized Hindi. So, if one understand bollywood Hindi and is aware of the Sanskrit words in his mother tongue, he should be able to follow it.

Just in case some one is curious about speaker, he is Swami Akhandananda Sarswati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhandanand

not to forget Indological Indra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra
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gandharva wrote:"Indro Mayabhi Pururoop eeyate |" Rigveda 6/47/18

I never knew the traditional meaning of the Indra until i listened the following. It appears in Upnishads Indra stands for "Self", the "Aatma or Brahmn".

http://www.filecube.net/beta/files/get/ ... ayabhi.mp3
true,
Indra comes from Idam dram (इदं द्रं स: इंद्र) (one who sees all this is Indra), in other words, Aatman...
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SwamyG wrote:Okay, one more on the same subject:
Dionysus and Kataragama:Parallel Mystery Cults

Usual attempt at drawing parallelism and appropriation. Very clever western strategy, similar to AIT
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On that note - this is random but it is interesting how everyone is saying RIP for the BR member who just passed away. How our brains have been reconfigured
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There is this notion of " Heaven and Hell " being a firangi concept in the sense its not fundamental to our core basic original indic thoughts. (true/false)?

If Indra is lord of heaven, then how does that jell with the above? Indra should have arrived along with Heaven.
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SwamyG wrote:This is going to cause some takleef: http://murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm

But definitely a good read about Alexander as Skanda.

There is a book on "Alexander not so great". Also the serial chanakya talks abt what Indians felt abt Alexander. It's like celebrating Ghazni.
Why is it inconceivable that Indians do not recognize Alexander?
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SaiK wrote:There is this notion of " Heaven and Hell " being a firangi concept in the sense its not fundamental to our core basic original indic thoughts. (true/false)?

If Indra is lord of heaven, then how does that jell with the above? Indra should have arrived along with Heaven.
there is a concept of heaven and of hell in sanatan dharma but that is different from the christian or abrahamic concept. in the later religions heaven or hell is the ultimate destination for life after death and everything you do in earthly life is meant to get a ticket to heaven, where you either live happily ever after or doomed to be in perpetual pain.

in sanatan dharma, heaven and hell are temporary stations along the journey of the soul, according to your overall balance of paap/punya. once you expend your bank balance you return to the cycle of birth. the ultimate objective is to be at one with param brahma, IOW to realise that this self is a part of, nay this self is the param brahma itself.

even the gods of heaven are supposed to have been mortals who rose to those positions by virtue of their deeds but that is still lesser than the ultimate goal, of the realisation of brahma itself.

p.s. saik ji, thanks !! for writing a post even I could understand !! :D
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So born are the Indic Gods after "self realizations".

Sounds very logical in the sense, its in my understanding that Gods are only known to humans.
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So many time great virtuos Human warriors extended help to save Devas from their enemies. Humenare much superior in cpapabilities to many Devtas.
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I guess, the primary concept of Heaven and hell was invented by Zoroaster.. It later seeped across ME and India. Indians linked it with karma while ME traditions linked it with God and belief. I guess, this was the primary motivation of Zoroaster as well, since his religion is one of the first monotheistic religions.
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Prem, that should be true since without the human brains that houses these devatas, they have no role to play in the society... lets give the humans something back eh :wink: .

BTW, had it not be Chrisitianity's invasions, Adi Shankara's advaitam would not have cherished various minds.

ps: I am not agnostic nor atheist
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that should be true since without the human brains that houses these devatas, they have no role to play in the society... lets give the humans something back eh
In a sense true but it is a "kalpana"(imagination) where you impart a part of your consciousness to the various objects you imagine.
BTW, had it not be Chrisitianity's invasions, Adi Shankara's advaitam would not have cherished various minds.
May be you can explain a little bit more what you intend to say.
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SaiK wrote: BTW, had it not be Chrisitianity's invasions, Adi Shankara's advaitam would not have cherished various minds.

ps: I am not agnostic nor atheist
:eek: in what way ? please explain

p.s. I'm certainly agnostic and probably atheist.
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Advaita is one of the major reasons EJs or MJs cant stand the ancient style public debate to discuss the spiritual issues. Its like Chors running away from higher authority/ies or as they say on another forum, ADD infected KG student debating with Neurologist. Like one great mind said Book of Divine wisdom opens new chapter every day or As SGGS says "sahib mera nitt naya" i.e ever manifesting, anew can never goes quiet or stay aloof etc.
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my guru, (vedic pandit who comes home to do the rituals), always said. w.o. AS, there would not have been Indic now. He was such a brilliant scholar that had he been living in the current times, would have beaten Einstein IQ by 100 times.

Thats what the pandit said... who again was a Sanskrit scholar at the age of 45 he had accomplished many.. and took a natural RIP. great mind.
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I guess, the primary concept of Heaven and hell was invented by Zoroaster.. It later seeped across ME and India. Indians linked it with karma while ME traditions linked it with God and belief. I guess, this was the primary motivation of Zoroaster as well, since his religion is one of the first monotheistic religions.
Chiron Ji these three slokas from the Aagama prakarna of the Gaudapada's Mandukya Karika pretty much summarizes the Vedic position on the creation.

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7. Some of those who contemplate the process of creation regard it as the manifestation of God’s powers; others imagine creation to be like dreams and illusions.

8 Those who are convinced about the reality of manifested objects ascribe the manifestation solely to God’s will, while those who speculate about time regard time as the creator of things.

9 Some say that the manifestation is or the purpose of God’s enjoyment, while others attribute it to His division. But it is the very nature of the effulgent Being. What desire is possible for Him who is the fulfillment of all desires?
I thought it would be nice to hear an inside voice on the above three slokas. So, here is the audio link for the discourse by Swami Akhandanada Sarswati Ji.

http://www.filecube.net/beta/files/get/ ... aagama.mp3
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http://www.livemint.com/2009/12/1022523 ... -sout.html

Now that we are conclusively writing story of human migration using human genome it will be interesting to determine how old India texts cover this. Any correlations could be very interesting. The reason I expect some correlations is essentially due to story of hanuman. Hanuman so called "the monkey god" seemed like a fiction of imagination till we uncovered story of hominids - a species of humans distinct from our own but yet human. So it seems there are more facts in the story than credit has been given.
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SaiK wrote:..would have beaten Einstein IQ by 100 times.
interesting.. somebody else has the same view here:-
http://www.psmalik.com/article-hub/68.html
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