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Another "Marxist" plot? Many moons ago in the '70s,the JVP,supposedly Marxist,in truth fascist,launched a surprise attack against the Sirimavo Bandaranaike regime.It was eventually put down with large loss of life.Later on,Pres.Jayawardene,used the Marxist threat to debar the rehabilitated JVP and other opposition parties from contesting elections.The Marxists have always been a useful whipping boy at times.What is intriguing this time round is that the report has emanated form the UK.It indicates that either the diaspora has begun a new tactic to continue the war,with or without external help.That is will emanate from the east is also intriguing,as the eastern tamils,like Karuna are aort of the Govt. This could be an attempt by foreign forces to try yet again to gain a footholfd in the island.

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Secti ... RTID=70021
People’s Liberation Army emerges in Eastern Sri Lanka- Report

A Marxist group of Tamil militants with connections to the Palestinian Liberation Organisation and Cuba is preparing to mount a new insurgency in Sri Lanka six months after the Government declared an end to the 26-year-old war, the Times UK publication reported.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) was founded in eastern Sri Lanka four months ago and has vowed to launch attacks against government and military targets unless its demands for a separate Tamil homeland are met.

“This war isn’t over yet,” Commander Kones, head of the PLA’s Eastern District military command, told The Times during a night meeting in a safe house in the east of the country last week.

“There has been no solution for Tamils since the destruction of the LTTE [Tamil Tigers] in May. So we have built and organised the PLA and are ready to act soon. Our aim is a democratic socialist liberation of the northeast for a Tamil Eelam [the desired Tamil state].”

Kones, a nom de guerre, claimed that the PLA had 300 active members and expected to recruit 5,000 volunteers from the 280,000 Tamil civilians recently freed from detention camps.

He said that the PLA, commanded by a ten-man committee, was an entirely separate organisation from the LTTE, but said that former LTTE cadres would be able to join the organisation provided that they swore their allegiance to the PLA’s political aims.

“There are former LTTE members in the PLA now,” he said. “But the LTTE was an extremist organisation that fought only for itself rather than the people’s needs.

“It is totally destroyed now and I don’t worry about it. We are socialist ideologues and we are trying to draw different Tamil groups together for a people’s struggle, a people’s war.”

Although the PLA’s capabilities remain unclear, it includes in its ranks several experienced insurgents who fought against the government forces in Sri Lanka in the 1980s before falling foul of the LTTE and either leaving the country or becoming dormant.

Commander Kones, now in his forties, had himself been given guerrilla training at a camp in Uttar Pradesh, India, in 1983, where his trainers included fighters from the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO).

“We still have a relationship with the PLO, as well as Cuba and Indian Maoist groups,” he said.

“They fight for their rights just as we do.”

During later action against government forces in eastern Sri Lanka he was imprisoned and tortured, before escaping from the country to live in Europe.

The threat of an aspiring new Tamil insurgent group comes at a complicated time for the Sri Lankan authorities.The unified image that accompanied their decisive victory over the Tamil Tigers in May has been eroded. The architect of that victory, General Sarath Fonseka, has become embroiled in a political scrap with the incumbent President Mahinda Rajapaksa as both men vie for a presidential election victory next month.

Their rivalry could split the vote of the Sinhalese majority, offering the swing vote to the country’s Tamil minority, who have yet to declare their political allegiance.

A new round of violence during this period could have a dramatic reversal on efforts to stabilise the country.

“We are much more politically skilled than the LTTE ever were and know how to avoid the ‘terrorist’ label that they acquired,” Kones said.

“Our enemy is simply the Government here, and we fight just for Tamil rights. We are not against the international community,” he said. “Indeed, we want them to support us in pressurising the Sri Lankan Government.”

Kones said that he had no intention of trying to emulate the Tigers’ style of warfare, but suggested a more asymmetric strategy involving attacks by widely dispersed PLA cells. However, he added that his targets would include economic and administrative centres, as well as military forces.

Other PLA insiders said that one of their likely first fights would be with groups of former LTTE cadres led by the infamous Colonel Karuna. Karuna split from the LTTE ranks in 2004 and later joined the Government, but still holds influence in eastern Sri Lanka.

“We are getting stronger by the day, much stronger than any other group,” Kones said. “The day of action is close.”

A few nights after meeting Commander Kones, deep in a rural area, The Times encountered three young PLA recruits waiting for a guide to take them to one of the organisation’s jungle training camps.

Two were 15 years old, one was 16. “The PLA sound very interesting to us,” they said. “They are the only ones now doing something for the Tamil people.”

Theirs was not, however, a pervading sentiment. Shattered by their experiences in the war zones this year, depressed by their subsequent incarceration in detention camps, few Tamils expressed any great enthusiasm for a return to war.

“I’m not interested in Eelam,” Raja Muragaswaran, 31, who was released from a camp last month, said.

“I lost everything that I had ever worked for in the name of Eelam. How many died for Eelam, and all for what? We just want peace.”
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An excellent analysis of the new "war" between Pres.Rajapakse and Herr General der Fons.

http://www.island.lk/2009/12/07/features1.html
Sarath season or Rajapaksa return?
By Dayan Jayatilleka

It is alternately nauseating and hilarious that some who have never looked violent death in the face say or heavily hint that General Sarath Fonseka who has shed blood copiously for the Sri Lankan cause, carries enemy lead in his body, and was the driving force of the main force – the army – of the historic victory against the Tamil tigers, is a traitor. What gives them the moral right and authority to do so? Who has the right to determine who is and isn’t a traitor, and by what criteria? Furthermore, what is the relevance of this terminology anyway? The war is over and won, thanks far more to Sarath Fonseka than to any of those people, so what is the relevance of traitors and patriots except in the historic sense of who was and wasn’t pro-Tiger when the war was on?

I rather doubt that this rhetoric of an international conspiracy and General Fonseka as a traitor is going to cut much ice with the Sri Lankan voter who is a pretty sophisticated political animal. Conspiracies are secret and what is happening is out there is in the open, in the Western and Lankan media. There is a crisis in our external relations with a very important part of the world, including the world’s only superpower, led by one of the world’s most popular personalities. Any conspiracy is located within this crisis and is a byproduct of it.

Let us, however, return to the issue at hand, the choices at the Presidential election of 2010. Of the pro-Mahinda and anti-Fonseka critiques I have read, the best by far was by young Muthu Padmakumara writing in the Daily News ( Dec 4), and making a welcome contrast to the sermon on the same subject in the same paper by an omnipresent columnist. She raises the most relevant point of all: work experience for the job and the absolute lack of it.

That’s my point of departure, too: anyone who hopes for the top slot in any enterprise be it in the corporate or state sector, must either have a track record of some success in that broad area or possess academic training and qualifications in that subject, or have a combination (e.g. Barack Obama: academic and intellectual, community organizer, writer, Senator). A soldier of forty years experience, Gen Fonseka is seeking the top spot in the country with no experience in politics or civilian life. Dwight Eisenhower was President in 1953 not 1945 and in the intervening years he was President of Columbia University one of the Ivy League universities in the USA and one of the best in the world. Susilo Bangbang Yudhyono came from within the Indonesian military which had governed Indonesia since 1965 until 2000. Gen Colin Powell was once regarded as a possible Presidential candidate but that was after he was Secretary of State. Gen. David Petraeus of the US army is seen as a possible US Presidential candidate next time around, but he is known as a warrior scholar, a student of History with a PhD from Princeton (and protégé of the renowned progressive scholar of international law and international relations, Richard Falk). Sarath Fonseka does not qualify on either count, though I might add that with a term in Parliament as an MP or Minister he may qualify for serious consideration as a Presidential candidate.

There are many interpretations of what came between Rajapaksa and Fonseka. Some able commentators have speculated that it was dynastic rule. While there is indeed such a dismal prospect (as during the Bandaranaike years 1970-77), I do not believe that was the issue. To my mind the central issue was the balance of power between the civilian and military wings as represented by Mahinda Rajapaksa and Gen. Sarath Fonseka. During the war there was a shift in that balance, which Gen. Fonseka sought to prolong, make permanent or take to the next level in the post war period, in peacetime, while Mahinda Rajapaksa pushed back to reassert civilian control and the supremacy of the elected Executive. The critical issue was whether Gen. Fonseka would exert veto power over decision making as the military did for decades in Pakistan before the restoration of democracy. The Army would dominate the armed services, and the former Army commander turned CDS would determine the processes within the army and the military as a whole, while determining the parameters of national policy under the rubric of national security. The issues of a vastly expanded postwar military, the fate of the IDPs and the 13th amendment/devolution were cases in point, and the faint contours of a "National Security state" became discernible.

Fortunately, for democracy these issues are now out in the open, not hidden within the state structure where they could have exploded in extra Constitutional violence. Now, it is the people of all communities, who by their free choice at the ballot box will determine the trajectory of the country.

Gen. Fonseka claims that the military victory was his, while he acknowledges the "support" extended by President Rajapaksa. History however, rightly credits Lincoln over Grant and Sherman, Lenin over Trotsky, Stalin over Zhukhov, Churchill over Montgomery, Roosevelt over Patton and MacArthur, Mao over Zhu Deh and Lin Biao, and Ho Chi Minh over Gen Giap. This is because the role of overall political leadership and the necessary political will is the most vital single element in the conduct of war.

Sarath Fonseka was a vitally indispensable factor in the victory. There may not – or probably would not -- have been one without him. But there definitely would not have been a victory without Mahinda Rajapaksa. If we had only Gen. Fonseka as Army commander and no Mahinda Rajapaksa as President -- and no Mahinda as President would have meant no Gotabhaya as Secy Defence—we might have had a Jayasikuru writ very large. Having fought under President Kumaratunga, who permitted Mangala Samaraweera’s Sudu Nelum movement and the Saama Thavalama to roam the countryside spreading antiwar propaganda precisely at the same time that the army was struggling to recruit men for the ongoing war that had been imposed by Prabhakaran, Gen. Fonseka should perhaps be more aware than most, of the vital role played by political will and commitment to victory at the top, the level of the Executive and Commander in Chief, i.e. by the Rajapaksa Presidency. While Gen. Fonseka was the driving force of the ground war, the prime motivator of the soldiery, this was a combined arms war in which tactical airpower was more important and effective than ever before and the Navy crippled the logistics of the Tigers. Montgomery defeated Rommel by targeting his petroleum supplies, reducing the efficacy of his splendid tank force. If the Tigers had been able to bring down the on the Sri Lankan infantrymen, the kind of ordnance they were able to during Jayasikuru, the war would still have been on. This does not mean that Admiral Karannagoda and Air Marshal Goonetilleke were more important than Gen. Fonseka, but it does mean that the victory was a superb collective effort, and that collectivity of effort, overcoming inter-service rivalry and indeed intra-army rivalry was made possible by Mahinda Rajapaksa through the "General Manager" Gotabhaya Rajapakse, who also secured the necessary external inputs, material and more qualitative.

It was his 40 years in the army that turned Sarath Fonseka into what he was: the warrior capable of providing inspiring leadership to his men to win the war. It is precisely those 40 years that disqualify him from holding the topmost civilian job in the land; a job that requires consultation, compromise and consensus, three qualities that are necessarily lacking in the army, and which Gen. Fonseka was never renowned for during his military career.

Four Presidents – Jayewardene, Premadasa, Wijetuga and Kumaratunga—failed to win the war. Mahinda Rajapaksa did. By what logic or morality can we fail to reward him with a second term? By what logic or ethics can the Sri Lankan voter, who gave a second term to a president who failed to win the war and abandoned efforts to do so, should turf out after one term a President who won the war, or if you prefer, on whose watch the war was won?

Mahinda Rajapaksa has exactly the same years of experience, forty, in civilian politics that Gen. Fonseka has in military life. That makes him at the moment – a moment where Gen. Fonseka has not yet accumulated any civilian experience--the better man for the presidency. He is not the visionary we need to take the country united into the 21st century but as a populist he is preferable to an authoritarian persona.

Let’s not make the same mistake as the Tamil people did. Out of profound dissatisfaction, they abandoned, turned their backs on their civilian lawyer-politician leaders and opted for a warrior-warlord as their "national leader". This has led them to the brink of destruction as a community. Do the Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims collectively wish to make the same disastrous choice or its equivalent? We needed a tough, ruthless, driven, army commander to beat an enemy as ruthless as the Tigers but do we need him to lead us and rule us?

If you wish to change the analogy, the end of the Tamil nationalist cause commenced with the Karuna breakaway and the challenge to his leader. Karuna has proved his point about being the match winning commander for the Tigers: they lost the only war in which he did not fight and indeed fought on the other side. Is Sarath Fonseka our Karuna equivalent? Karuna is good for Sri Lanka as a whole but that was because he went up against Prabhakaran, not a democratically elected nationalist leader. What would be the effect on the national interest of a Karuna rebellion on our side? Do we wish to reward it with electoral success?

None of this means that the country doesn’t need change, accelerated and socially responsive economic progress, an enlightened charter for multi-ethnicity and a vastly improved style of governance. Someone should just look at the UNDP’s Human Development report figures for Sri Lanka over the past few years, including the Gini Coefficient. Rajapaksa rule does indeed need reining in, but the answer does not reside in General Fonseka as President; it does not lie in the Presidential election at all. It resides in the doctrines of "balance of power", "containment" and more concretely, "checks and balances". The parliamentary election is to be held shortly after the Presidential. We must not confuse the two. We the citizens, get an opportunity to throw the rascals out at the Parliamentary election, either (i) electing the UNP (which is unlikely if the party leadership remains unchanged) or (ii) reducing the strength of the SLFP led coalition and having a strong UNP Opposition or (iii) simply throwing out by means of preference votes, those existing sleazy, incompetent Ministers and sitting MPs.

As between Rajapaksa and Fonseka, continuity is better than change; within the government change is imperative, and as between the Government and the Opposition, change may be better than continuity. Observing the vital distinction between the two elections, presidential and Parliamentary, enables Sri Lanka’s citizens to get the best deal available.
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Isn't Sarath Foneska the Armyman who has 2 daughters in the USA who are Green card holders? Wasn't he picked for questioning in the US when visiting his daughters and funnily after his questioning he has become anti Rajapaksha. I wonder what games Uncle is upto?
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Aditya_V wrote:Isn't Sarath Foneska the Armyman who has 2 daughters in the USA who are Green card holders? Wasn't he picked for questioning in the US when visiting his daughters and funnily after his questioning he has become anti Rajapaksha. I wonder what games Uncle is upto?

Aditya_V ji

Sarath Foneska the Armyman, is himself a US green card holder.
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Philip wrote:However,the route that SWRD (Banda) took was in the other direction.He gave up his western attire (except for his pipe) and went "native",to the consternation of the capitalist class to which he was its most illustrious member.He picked as candidates for his party humble rural folk,not the pampered landowning gentry of Colombo. Making Sinhala the national language,spoken by the vast majority of its people,a language which had been supressed by the centuries of colonialism,awoke a strong sense of nationalism in the Ceylonese.After his assassination in a conspiracy by his fellow capitalists,his widow,Mrs.B.,Mrs.G's closest politcal friend,took the country on the path of Socialism along with her Leftist coalition partners and changed the name of the country to Sri Lanka,further underlining the fact that the island was returning to its ancient historic roots and vast heritage for inspiration for the future.

..Coupled with the island's attractions,the ethnic mix was cleverly exploited by the "Christian west" through Yanqui missionaries,who had educated in the medium of English,the northern Tamils in the Jaffna Peninsula long before the rest of the Sinhalese .These well-educated Tamils became the mainstay of the administration during British rule and strong ties developed and were sustained even after independence through educating the natives in British instuitutions of learning.

However,what gave the west and Europeans a convenient handle was the diaspora of both Tamils and Sinhalese who fled the island after the riots of '83.These immigrants scattered across Europe,became a powerful,rich, political force and were wooed by their host nations to act as Proxies to further the interests of their hosts.The Tamil armed struggle and the LTTE's sole leadership of it,was manipulated for decades by those countries that had vested interests,chief amongst them to return Sri Lanka to its capitalist status,abandoning Non-Alignment ( a joint power sharing project where Tamils in the north along with the Sinhalese capitalist politicos would act as western agents.Unfortunately,Prabhakaran had delusions of grandeur and became uncontrollable given his JT pride).
Come on Philip, you know Sri Lanka better than to claim such nonsense.

The Bandaranaikes promoted the worst kind of Sinhala chauvanism. What was the meaning of treating only Sinhala as a national language, and treating the Tamils as if they had only shown up on the island as British imported coolies?

Turning Tamils, with their thousands of years of history on the island in to second class citizens was a recipe for conflict. The most intolerant and xenophobic views came from the Theravada Buddhist clergy, and the politicians went along.

The first to turn to militancy were not the Tamils, but the Sinhalese, in the form of the JVP mass uprising in 1971 (I'm sure you remember the North Korean freighter), which India helped put down. Just like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia they combined Maoism with fanatical ethnic xenophobia.

The LTTE, like most SL Tamil groups that emerged in the 1970s, and like the majority of guerrilla movements that emerged worldwide that decade were thoroughly Marxist in ideology, although not Maoist like the JVP. The LTTE's most important training grounds were the Beka'a valley, where they trained with other international leftist groups like the People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Japanese Red Army, Irish National Liberation Army, etc. That's where they learned how to build suicide vehicle bombs, and where they in turn taught the Arabs how to make suicide bomber vests.

Prabakharan was always a dangerous fanatic - his first targets in the 1970s were not even the Sinhalese, but all of the old establishment Tamil politicians who worked within the SL establishment - with the express intention of making reconciliation impossible.

His most important source of patronage until Rajiv Gandhi's assassination in 1991 was always the 'Dravidian' Tamil parties in Tamil Nadu, the ones who compelled Indian intervention in 1987. That was the LTTE's main rear area, where their sick were treated in hospitals, and their main logistical node. I remember being told by Indian friends about the coffee shop in Madras that Prabakharan used to like to spend time in.

Ultimately, it was a generational conflict. The post-war generation growing up in the 1960s and 1970s were far more politically radical than their parents, and gravitated in numbers to extremist ideologies. Tamil politicians were far more responsible, and they paid for opposing the trend with their lives. The Singhalese politicians (whether to the left like the Bandaranaikes, or to the right like Jayawardane) showed far less principle or wisdom, and far more opportunism by feeding that extremism, and they reaped the consequences.
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US envoy in Sri Lanka, Washington mulls change in ties
Tue Dec 8, 2009 11:34am EST

COLOMBO (Reuters) - The U.S. diplomat responsible for south Asia landed in Sri Lanka on Tuesday after a U.S. Senate committee urged the United States not to "lose" its relationship with the strategically located island nation. Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asian Affairs Robert Blake is on a three-day visit to discuss political matters and reconciliation in Sri Lanka after the end of a 25-year war with the Tamil Tiger separatists in May.

Blake served as the U.S. ambassador in Colombo until his promotion in May, and he arrived as President Barack Obama's administration is reassessing its approach toward the island nation in the face of strong Indian and Chinese influence.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Monday issued a report that encourages the Obama administration to recalibrate its approach to post-war Sri Lanka to include more economic, political and security aid to protect U.S. interests.

"While humanitarian concerns remain important, U.S. policy cannot be dominated by a single agenda. It is not effective at delivering real reform, and it shortchanges U.S. geostrategic interests in the region," the report says.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5 ... liticsNews


US change of heart towards Lanka
A New York Times report from New Delhi has triggered fresh ripples in the stormy political pool of Colombo. Ripples (as yet) because clammy Colombo is already a whirlpool of elections, defections and political slandering.

Quoting from a to-be-released Senate Foreign Relations Committee report, NYT said that US was to adopt a “less confrontational approach’’ towards Sri Lanka.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/US-change ... 84500.aspx


SARATH SEASON OR RAJAPAKSA RETURN?
It is alternately nauseating and hilarious that some who have never looked violent death in the face say or heavily hint that General Sarath Fonseka who has shed blood copiously for the Sri Lankan cause, carries enemy lead in his body, and was the driving force of the main force – the army – of the historic victory against the Tamil Tigers, is a traitor. What gives them the moral right and authority to do so? Who has the right to determine who is and isn’t a traitor, and by what criteria?
http://www.theacademic.org/feature/2601 ... ndex.shtml


Sri Lanka November tourist arrivals up 20.1 pct yr/yr
Sri Lanka's tourist arrivals jumped by a fifth in November from a year ago, the sixth straight monthly rise since the end of a decades-long war in May, the tourism board said on Tuesday.
November tourist arrivals to the Indian Ocean island nation rose to 44,311, up 20.1 percent from 36,901 a year ago.

"This is the result of peace dividend," S. Kalaiselvam, the director general at Sri Lanka Tourism Authority told Reuters. "We expect the year to end with around 450,000 tourists."
http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews ... on=article


Sri Lanka lures Indian tourists by sea
Dec 08, 2009 (LBO) - Sri Lanka has struck a deal with the world's fifth largest cruise line to attract Indian tourists to the island by cruise ship, officials said.

Louise Cruise Lines, based in Cyprus, has begun weekly calls at Colombo port with its cruise ship Aquamarine which can carry 1,200 passengers.

The Sri Lanka Tourist Promotion Bureau said the vessel, which will sail between Cochin, Male and Colombo, is the first regular fixed-day cruise to Sri Lanka in recent times.

Louis Cruises Managing Director Oneil Khosa said that, based on average load factors, the line is confident of being able to bring 30,000 Indian visitors to the island within five months.

He said there was much potential as Sri Lanka was still not drawing many Indians given the size of the Indian outbound market.
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/full ... 1201248986


'Philippines expert, LTTE cadres trained Indian Maoists'
Maoist groups in India have been known to collaborate with their counterparts across the border in Nepal and also occasionally with sympathisers elsewhere in South Asia but a senior Naxal leader who surrendered in Maharashtra last week has claimed that a warfare expert from the Philippines visited and stayed in a Bastar Naxal camp in Abujmad for about a month to train cadres, indicating the global reach of the extremist movement.

“It was way back in 2001 that a man from the Philippines had come to train us in south Bastar,” Naxal leader Rainu told The Indian Express. “Also, two LTTE men had come twice for the same purpose,” he added.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-Phil ... ts-/551406
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I stick by my statements Johann,my years of interacting with Lankans of all ethnic groups,with many in the thick of events,has shown me that superficial generalisations do not hold good.It is very difficult for many who view colonialism through tinted glasses to fully comprehend the steady rising nationalism in the island since independence;true,there were many benefits that also came along with the colonialists,but the suppression of an ancient civilisation like Sri Lanka,which goes back for more than two millenia,and the Sinhalese language spoken by 75%+ of the people,for 500 years by European colonial rule,saw the pendelum swing back in more than full measure,as the divide and rule policy of the British using smaller ethnic groups as adminstrators in the post colonial era ,had to be dumped.Unfortunately,the new native leadership of the island were more interested in their personal ambitions than the nations' well being and Pres.Jayawardene did the most damage still seen today with the introduction of his infamous executive presidency,now being contested by an ultra ambitious general amidst fears that he might turn the island into another Burma.
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Kashyap and/or thusitha, do you have some idea as to who the common man on the street is favoring: MR or SF? Which side is the Sinhalese media siding for, if any? Thanks in advance.
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THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE REPORT
The Report shows that Sri Lanka has made its point. We didn’t blink, and fought the war to a victorious finish, using our friends to balance off the efforts of the West to secure a truce. Our balance of power strategy and countervailing efforts succeeded. The US underestimated us, miscalculated. However – and this is crucial – the US has the “smarts” to strive to re-set the relationship, given its strategic interests. It also lets Sri Lanka know what its views, opinions and parameters are. The Report educates the US system and public opinion what reorientation is needed in US policy so as to best sub-serve US interests. In that sense it is an antidote to the anti-Sri Lankan propaganda of the pro-Tamil Eelam lobby. As importantly, it also seeks to educate the Sri Lankan political elite and opinion makers as to the deal that is on the table.

As someone who played a direct role in defeating a Western attempt to push through a UN resolution inimical to Sri Lanka, I’d strongly suggest we take the deal that is on the table, barring one matter that should be off limits. That is Sri Lanka’s relationship with China. Now it must be stressed that the US Senate Report does not even hint that Sri Lanka should cut back on that relationship, but it signals quite rightly that the US should not let its own interests go by default and should enter the ring. That’s fine. Given that the Report itself indicates that China’s power of veto forestalled a possible Western move to push a truce through the UN Security Council, none can fault us for recognizing the grand strategic value – perhaps even primacy—of that relationship, on which we cannot and must not compromise, though we must carefully balance our relations with China and India as Madam Bandaranaike and Lakshman Kadirgamar did.

While our relationship with the US cannot be at the expense of our relationship with China, our relationship with China and India cannot be at the expense of each other, and our identification with the rest of the Global south must not be the price we pay for our relationship with the USA, the US Senate Report does not indicate any such zero sum games. Our relationship with the US can dramatically improve at virtually no cost to Sri Lanka, in a multiple sum game.
http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Secti ... RTID=70332


Festive season brings Sri Lanka trouble-free joy
Feizal Samath, Foreign Correspondent

December 9. 2009 7:53PM GMT

COLOMBO // Despite uncertainty over next month’s presidential poll, Sri Lankans will soon begin enjoying their first Christmas and New Year holiday in three decades without the threat of Tamil rebel violence casting a shadow to dampen the good times.

“I am going to have a great time in the next few weeks,” said Lakdas Dias, a manager at a computer store in Colombo. The past was different, he said, as “you always have this fear of bombs going off in crowded places and worry about the children [getting] caught”.

Though Sri Lanka is a country where more than 70 per cent of the people are Buddhists, Christmas and New Year is celebrated widely in urban areas, with Colombo leading the way. Only 6.3 per cent of Sri Lankans are Christian.

Already Colombo’s main hotels are dressed up with lights, Christmas trees and decorations amid dozens of year-end parties by companies and other organisations.

This year, however, the end of a near 30 year-long conflict that killed tens of thousands, maimed many more and destroyed the lives of innumerable families, is an even bigger cause for celebration.

Sri Lankan expatriates from as far away as Canada and the United States, and as close as Malaysia and Singapore, are coming home in large numbers to see and be a part of a country that is finally not at war with itself.
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll ... 99906/1002


Lankan war memorial at Prabhakaran’s death site

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P K Balachandran | ENS

10 Dec 2009 02:55:06 PM IST

In an act of tremendous political-military significance, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa on Wednesday ceremonially opened a national war memorial at Pudumattalaan, near the site where LTTE supremo Velupillai Prabhakaran was killed.

The memorial is located near the mangroves in Nanthikadal lagoon where Prabhakaran fell to the bullets of the Sri Lankan forces in the third week on May. The “Victory Monument” was unveiled before a galaxy of military officers.

The President was accorded a Guard of Honour by the Commando Regiment. Minutes later, the President hoisted the National flag and the Tri-Service Commanders simultaneously hoisted the flags of their respective services.

“The blue background to the monument depicts the blue ocean and the flowers around it the Sri Lankan nation. Four Lions at the four corners of the memorial immortalize the contribution of the war heroes who came from all four directions to win the final battle. The soldier who carries a weapon symbolizes valour and gallantry.The National flag on it demonstrates the sovereignty, independence and dignity of the nation,” the army said in a release.
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Fortis in talks to buy Lanka hospital chain
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... in/379111/
Fortis not in talks with Sri Lanka's Asiri Hospitals
http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report_fo ... ls_1322193
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To my knowledge,even those who are bitter critics of Rajapakse,prefer him to Herr General,whom many fear will never give up his presidential powers and become a ruthless military dictator who will immediately crack down on his political and military enemies.The question is has Rapajapakse and co. become unpopular enough less than a year after winning the war-due to the high cost of living,and the combined strength of the opposition enough to unseat him? ON my last visit a few eeeks ago,my genial taxi driver said that "the next bomb will be the price bomb".However,huge increases in tourist arrivals (35+%),especially right now during the holiday season is boosting the general feeling of the island having weathered the awful stornms of the last two decades and that a new era is about to begin.One must also add to this equation Ranil W's magnificent record of always in any election winning the wooden spoon!
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Thanks, Philip sir.
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Philip wrote:I stick by my statements Johann,my years of interacting with Lankans of all ethnic groups,with many in the thick of events,has shown me that superficial generalisations do not hold good.It is very difficult for many who view colonialism through tinted glasses to fully comprehend the steady rising nationalism in the island since independence;true,there were many benefits that also came along with the colonialists,but the suppression of an ancient civilisation like Sri Lanka,which goes back for more than two millenia,and the Sinhalese language spoken by 75%+ of the people,for 500 years by European colonial rule,saw the pendelum swing back in more than full measure,as the divide and rule policy of the British using smaller ethnic groups as adminstrators in the post colonial era ,had to be dumped.Unfortunately,the new native leadership of the island were more interested in their personal ambitions than the nations' well being and Pres.Jayawardene did the most damage still seen today with the introduction of his infamous executive presidency,now being contested by an ultra ambitious general amidst fears that he might turn the island into another Burma.
Philip,

One thing has nothing to do with the other. The rise of nationalism is unsurprising. The problem is when the state choses to promote exclusive brands of nationalism instead of inclusive nationalism.

Sri Lanka went down a road (i.e. exclusive, narrow) India consciously and deliberately avoided, for very good reasons.

Exclusive Sinhalese nationalism promoted by the Sri Lankan state helped spur an equally exclusive Tamil nationalism in the north.

It was perfectly natural for Sinhalese to be given official status. What was perfectly *un-natural* was that it was denied to the Tamils. The island never belonged exclusively to Sinhala speakers.

What do you think would have happened to India if the Indian central government on the basis of the plurality of Hindi speakers had come down and insisted that all official business in Chennai or Salem or Kanyakumari ought to be done in Hindi?

Even India's Maoist movement which burst on the scene not much earlier than Sri Lanka's was more tolerant - unlike the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and the JVP in Sri Lanka it did not combine Maoism with ethnic chauvanism.

Sri Lankan nationalism must at least bicultural, if not multi-cultural if the whole sorry mess is not repeat itself. Certainly Sri Lanka's own history suggests thats possible - the old kings of Kandy were not always born Sinhalese speakers.

I am not a fan of Fonseka and would rather not see him lead, and I'm very glad to see the LTTE crushed - but I cant help but reflect on what Chandrika Bandaranaike Kumaratunga said while visiting India a few months ago ""Even I care for my life. It is a government of my party that is in power. Still even I don't feel safe". That kind of exercise of power is not going to lead to stability and healthy progress.
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Two Indian Coast Guard sailors on Sri Lankan boat go “missing”
http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/11/stories ... 380100.htm
Intelligence agency sources said the sailors were overpowered by the fishermen.
Sedition case against Vaiko
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/ta ... e63306.ece
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Johann,true.What you've said reflects largely upon what I've said earlier about the pendelum swinging more than what was required,but the fact remains that even in the '80s,the minority Tamils dominated the civil services with almost 75% of the senior diplomats being Tamils.It really was the lack of enough employment opprtunities at the street level for educated youth which spurred the JVP and militant Tamil movements more than racism or ethnic discrimination.The LTTE mirrored the JVP and add to it JR's pharaonic executive presidency and his reneging on promises made to the TULF when out of pwower that saw the militancy grow and erupt during his regime.Had the District Council elections in '81 not been sabotaged by JR,which included the burning of the Jaffna Library,the tale would've been quite different.His virtual dictatorship with profound statements like "as Napoleon said of Europe...roll up the map of Sri Lanka,you will not need it any more" and "all I cannot do is to turn a man into a woman" ,displayed his megalomania,inlcuding naming the new capital "Jayawardenapura" ,a regime which was ably assisted by various western nations who gave him vast sums under the table (US) to perpetuate his pro-west and anti-Indian regime.The island was to be another Singapore model,pro-west,during the height of the Cold War,so that the Lankan model would be a window display for developing countries.
JR's crony capitalism came a cropper and we now have Rajapakse,a staunch nationalist at the helm of affairs in danger of being dumped by another JR in uniform!
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Kashyap and/or thusitha, do you have some idea as to who the common man on the street is favoring: MR or SF? Which side is the Sinhalese media siding for, if any? Thanks in advance.
Sorry for not responding earlier. Didn't see the question till now.
According to what I hear, the Yuppies in Colombo seem to be going for SF and UNP as usual. But the rest seem to still support MR. SF seem to be digging a whole. Recently he is trying to level charges against GR and also one of our popular generals Savendra Silva. I am sure this won't be seen in such a good light.

As far as I can see, MR will win the PE. But the race can be a tighter one than previously thought.

My personal opinion is SF would be a utter disaster for our nation who is driven by greed for power. He seem to be financed by the west, which is not a good sign for either India or SL who wants western influence in Asian region diminished.

Lot of us thought every thing is over on last May, but it seem like SL is not out of the woods yet.
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Johan said...
One thing has nothing to do with the other. The rise of nationalism is unsurprising. The problem is when the state choses to promote exclusive brands of nationalism instead of inclusive nationalism.

Sri Lanka went down a road (i.e. exclusive, narrow) India consciously and deliberately avoided, for very good reasons.

It was perfectly natural for Sinhalese to be given official status. What was perfectly *un-natural* was that it was denied to the Tamils. The island never belonged exclusively to Sinhala speakers.
Hmm. Let us see. What is the national language of India? Hindu and English. Why didn't you a nother Indian Language prominence (Don't ask me which one). But you made English the second official language. I am sure there are lot of pissed off people as well. So, what would be the outcome. The other languages would be killed off, bit by bit. The same way English is taking over most of the languages.

Let us see other examples.
The official language of Australia/U.S. is ????. So, what happened to Aborigine language? Any one exploding bombs and killing people because of this? What happened to South American Nations? I can't see a second national language there.


In a certain era, people every where in the world has taken a similar set of decisions. Even Indians. Every one made mistakes. There is no point going on about it. As you can see we have corrected those mistakes. It is unlikely that SL would make such huge mistakes every again. That mean any terrorist uprising as well.

And this thing about Chandrika. Every one in SL lives in fear of some one killing them. That is true for every political leader and that didn't happen during MR government. It happened in big way after JVP insurrection.
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Reg. CBK's statement about worrying about her life being in danger,that's par for the Lankan course and she has shown tremendous courage and sang froid regarding the assassination attempt against her by the LTTE and her loss of an eye.With her father and husband assassinated,her mother who also escaped an assassination attempt ,to my knowledge CBK is scarcely bothered about losing her life to the assassins bullet or bomb.It is no secret that Rajapakse has treated her as an ex-pres very shabbily,removing security,providing little or no consular logistic help when she goes abroad ,etc.,which is a pity.He did the same thing with Herr General,but is now trying to restore Herr General's priviliges for obvious reasons.Here is a report on how the "Fons" has rattled the Rajapakse camp.Regardless of the election rsult,Herr General the war hero,has become the rallying point of the opposition and his presence on the scene will have a huge effect in the parliamentary elections later on.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "dirty tricks" dept. on both sides come into play just before the elections to sway popular opinion either way.Watch this space!

http://www.island.lk/2009/12/13/features1.html
Government rattled by Fonseka trumpBy Shamindra Ferdinando
After a few weeks, if not months of waiting and debating, the UNP-JVP-Mangala combine announced its decision to throw former Army Chief General Sarath Fonseka at incumbent President Mahinda Rajapaksa at the forthcoming presidential election. Although, they called three separate media conferences to announce their individual support to Fonseka with the government making a futile bid to show a rift in the JVP, the unprecedented alliance materialized.

JVP MP Anura Kumara Dissanayake, too, played a significant role in forming the alliance and is widely believed to have been instrumental in facilitating UNP-JVP relationship.

Whatever the state controlled media says, the alliance poses a formidable challenge to the UPFA regime though defeating the incumbent President would be an overwhelming task. But one thing is certain - that the newly formed alliance has rattled the SLFP-led ruling coalition.

Could such a political marriage have been possible without the war veteran shedding his uniform to challenge the veteran politician? Could the UNP and the Marxist JVP get on one political platform, whatever the political compulsions were? And most importantly, who had made the first move to bring about the Opposition combine to challenge the Rajapaksas?

The bottom line is that Fonseka’s entry into politics had transformed what could have been a one horse race to a fiercely contested presidential poll. The January 26 presidential election will be followed by parliamentary elections a few weeks later. The outcome of the presidential fray will decide the outcome of the election that follows, giving the winner trouble free six years to govern the country.

Even for a ruthlessly efficient battlefield commander, it would not have been an easy task to convince the JVP to leave aside its politics to throw its weight behind the UNP-led United National Front (UNP) comprising several other political parties, including MP Mano Ganeshan’s Western People’s Front and the SLMC.

A few months before such a scenario would have been unthinkable. But today, Fonseka had made it happen though sections of the UNP as well as the JVP do not like it. But the Opposition has obviously achieved its primary goal to form a broad alliance to clip President Rajapaksa’s wings by way of bringing in far reaching constitutional reforms.

At first glance, and perhaps at second, the Opposition move would be appreciated by all those wanting to see an end to the authoritarian Rajapaksa regime. For them, it is definitely a positive sign that the UNP and JVP are ready to work for a common goal irrespective of their sharp differences over a range of contentious issues, including the economy, foreign policy as well as agriculture. For those who had been waiting to see the back of the incumbent president, the new alliance under Fonseka’s leadership had given hope that a change is possible and the UPFA juggernaut could be countered at future elections.

Giving a turbo boost to the Opposition itself is a significant achievement for the retired General in the backdrop of heavy defeats experienced by the UNP and the JVP at elections for eight Provincial Councils countrywide except for the Northern Province which has not polled.

The UPFA badly blundered when it wrongly assumed that UNP leader Ranil Wickremesinghe would not make way for another candidate, particularly a man who had demolished his Norwegian-led peace initiative, thereby creating conditions for the then President Chandrika Kumaratunga to dissolve Parliament in early 2004 and call for general elections.

The JVP, which played a pivotal role in the CBK move against Wickremesinghe, has now ended up in the Wickremesinghe-Fonseka team. Interestingly, former Chief Justice Sarath Nanda Silva, one-time buddy of the Rajapaksas, too, will support the Opposition cause.

Dissident SLFP MP Mangala Samaraweera recently publicly acknowledged Silva’s support for their campaign when he sent out invitations for Tuesday’s (Dec 15) launch of www.daretodreamsrilanka.com at the Park Street Mews, Colombo 2 where the former CJ will deliver the keynote address.

The Opposition has also received the backing of former President Kumaratunga. Could this have been possible without Fonseka’s leadership as well as his ability to instil confidence among Opposition activists? I believe not, definitely not.

Although, many would not remember that now, it was Fonseka, who first put a spoke in the Norwegian `peace’ initiative by flatly refusing to abandon high security zones in the Jaffna peninsula. Had he given in to heavy political pressure during Wickremesinghe’s tenure as the Premier, the LTTE would have overwhelmed the army deployed in the peninsula years ago.

Without high security zones, the peninsula would have been vulnerable to an all out LTTE attack. But for Wickremesinghe, who did not groom a successor to take on Rajapaksa, Fonseka would be the ideal candidate to face Rajapaksa and overcome any eventuality on the political arena as he did in the battlefield.

There could not have been a better man to face hugely popular Rajapaksa who had unflinchingly gone ahead with a bloody military campaign for almost a three-year period regardless of heavy international pressure and criticism of military action. Whatever the critics say, the President and the Defence Secretary resolutely faced the international criticism though the same could not be said about their predecessors.

By fielding Fonseka, a thrice wounded infantry officer, the Opposition had prevented Rajapaksa from fully exploiting Sri Lanka’s triumph over the LTTE to his advantage. The Opposition move has also neutralized the breakaway JVP faction, the Weerawansa-led National Freedom Front and the JHU to a larger extent.

Their efforts to paint a bleak picture of Fonseka and devalue his role in the war victory will only be counter productive against the backdrop of state media coverage of the offensive. In fact, the state media coverage of the war had created the impression that the other services’ contribution was very much less when compared with Fonseka’s Army.

UNP Deputy Leader Karu Jayasuriya could never have achieved what Fonseka did in the past few weeks. For those who believed UNP National Organiser S. B. Dissanayake could be their man at the presidential election, his pathetic decision to switch allegiance to the SLFP again proved the obvious that he should not be trusted. Could anyone go down to the level that Dissanayake did post-crossover?

From a presidential election aspirant, the former SLFP General Secretary had been reduced to nothing though he may appear on television to target his new enemies. What he may have failed to realize is that unlike the UNP, the UPFA had no shortage of capable speakers. He would be placed among Wimal Weerawansa, Dallas Alahapperuma, Champika Ranawaka, Dinesh Gunawardene, Maithripala Sirisena, Susil Premjayanth and of course Gotabhaya Rajapaksa, who’ll do a demolition job on television without resorting to cheap theatrics.

To the credit of Wickremesinghe and Somawansa Amarasnghe, they invited Fonseka to lead the political offensive though this would definitely be an admission of weakness on their part. Although, they insist that Fonseka was brought in as they did not want to field either a UNPer or JVPer at the presidential poll, the ground reality is that no one else could have challenged Rajapaksa, except Fonseka, a member of the Rajapaksa ‘A’ team.

Before Fonseka split with the incumbent leadership, a section of the Opposition felt that the former CJ could be the common candidate. Had he come forward, the focus would have been on waste, corruption and irregularities but make no mistake it could not have moved the electorate the way Fonseka had done. And most importantly, had Fonseka remained with the Rajapaksas, the President would have received the full benefit of the war victory.

The Opposition faced several major obstacles though Fonseka declared his readiness to face the President. Although the government strategists firmly believed that Wickremesinghe would not give up what could be his last opportunity to contest presidential election, thereby forcing Fonseka to contest as the third major candidate possibly on the JVP ticket – a story a section of the media carried on a government directive.

But to the utter surprise of the government, the UNP and JVP quickly sank their difference with the UNP making major concessions to facilitate the agreement. To the chagrin of a section of the UNP led by the likes of Johnston Fernando and Azath Sally, the UNP dropped its Elephant symbol while the UPFA believed it could take advantage of the situation.

S. B. Dissanayake, shortly before jumping back to the SLFP, attacked Wickremesinghe for dropping the Elephant symbol. What he had conveniently forgotten is that the SLFP would still be in the opposition had it remained with the hand symbol. The SLFP led People’s Alliance unceremoniously discarded the hand symbol to take chair as its symbol before replacing it with the betel leaf a few years later.

Johnston Fernando’s call to field a UNP candidate preferably S. B. Dissanayake or Sajith Premadasa as their candidate leaving Fonseka to contest on his own is patently ridiculous. It is freely conceded that Fonseka is the best candidate the opposition could have fielded against Rajapaksa.

Johnston should not forget that he, at the behest of Ranil Wickremesinghe, had fiercely opposed a series of far reaching reforms proposed by Premadasa several years ago. Johnston and Vajira Abeywardene, MP, relentlessly attacked Premadasa at party forums. Had Premadasa received the support he richly deserved, the ground situation could have been different today.

Today, Wickremesinghe’s yes men had either crossed over to the government for personal gain or are working secretly with the government. In these circumstances, UNPers who crave a government of their own, would appreciate Fonseka’s entry into politics at the highest level.

Regardless of the outcome of the presidential election, Fonseka will continue to be a permanent fixture in Sri Lanlan politics. Whether the UNP, JVP or the SLFP like it or not, the Fonseka factor is perhaps one of the most important developments in post-independence politics. I believe the circumstances are somewhat similar to the situation in which Chandrika Kumaratunga stepped in to political campaign in the wake of ‘Francisco’ affair in 1993 paving the way for Southern Provincial Council election.

The bottom line is that an unexpected rift at the Rajapaksa camp had given the opposition a chance to exploit the situation in a bid to bring the incumbent down. Although, the opposition had launched a well organized propaganda campaign, one of the major disadvantages Fonseka must face are previous ill-fated political strategies of the UNP and Mangala Samaraweera.

Had the likes of Wickremesinghe, Lakshman Kiriella, Lakshman Seneviratne, Mangala Samaraweera and Ravi Karunanayake kept their mouths shut and given even tacit support to the armed forces’ battle against the LTTE, the ball game would have been different today.

Although Fonseka recently declared that he wouldn’t want such issues to be an obstacle to their campaign against the Rajapaksas, the people are unlikely to take a similar approach. To the disappointment of Fonseka supporters, the government’s strategy to tag the Opposition as an unholy alliance comprised of one-time LTTE sympathizers and supporters had been successful.

The government has also moved swiftly to ease restrictions on IDP facilities in the North as part of its strategy to appease the international community as well as the Tamils. President Rajapaksa would surely be delighted by the recent US position articulated by Ambassador Robert Blake, a harsh critic of the Sri Lankan regime only a few moons ago. He recently went as far as welcoming the defeat of the Tigers to the surprise of those who believed the US would at least covertly back the campaign to abolish the executive presidency.

The newly appointed German Ambassador in Sri Lanka, Jens Uwe Plotner, I believe is the first envoy from a country which was perceived as hostile to Sri Lanka’s war against LTTE, to come out openly in support of the country in a post-LTTE era. The change of Germany’s attitude and approach to Sri Lanka is likely to help the country in a big way. The opposition, while cleverly using the media to take its message to the people, is seeking increased foreign pressure on the government.

A section of the media which had been labeled treacherous and biased towards the LTTE in its reporting during the war even by Fonseka has thrown its full weight behind the Opposition candidate. The JVP which had been at the receiving end right throughout their association with the PA/UPFA too, had found space in the media. A disturbed government has ended up treating the media at the taxpayers’ expense.

A fierce contest is on the cards with the winner of January 26 poll sure to take the forthcoming parliamentary election too.
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More shocking allegations from Herr General...trying to whitewash his reputation?

http://www.thesundayleader.lk/
General Fonseka speaks on the killings of the LTTE’s Pulidevan, Nadeson and Ramesh | Basil Denies Involvement | General Shavindra Silva says “no comment”

“Gota Ordered Them To Be Shot” – General Sarath Fonseka
General Fonseka speaks on the killings of the LTTE’s Pulidevan, Nadeson and Ramesh Basil denies involvement General Shavindra Silva says “no comment”By Frederica Jansz –Common opposition candidate General Sarath Fonseka says Defense Secretary Gothabaya Rajapaksa instructed a key ground commander in the north that all LTTE leaders must be killed and not allowed to surrender. In an explosive...
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“Gota Ordered Them To Be Shot” – General Sarath Fonseka
General Fonseka speaks on the killings of the LTTE’s Pulidevan, Nadeson and Ramesh Basil denies involvement General Shavindra Silva says “no comment”By Frederica Jansz –Common opposition candidate General Sarath Fonseka says Defense Secretary Gothabaya Rajapaksa instructed a key ground commander in the north that all LTTE leaders must be killed and not allowed to surrender. In an explosive...
Yeah, this is shocking allegation by Herr General. If the government played the cards right, this will cost quite a lot of votes to SF. Now he is not just screwing round with Politicians, but he is screwing a round with a young, popular general; Shavindra Silv a. It is one things to throw mud at Politicians, but another thing to implicate army in war crimes. I believe SF put his foot in the mouth as usual and this is not what he meant to convey. Most probably he wanted to level some war crime charges against GR, but in doing so he is incriminating General Shavindra Silva. This would not go unnoticed by the Army as well as the common people. Hope government take full advantage of the situation.
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Johan said...
One thing has nothing to do with the other. The rise of nationalism is unsurprising. The problem is when the state choses to promote exclusive brands of nationalism instead of inclusive nationalism.

Sri Lanka went down a road (i.e. exclusive, narrow) India consciously and deliberately avoided, for very good reasons.

It was perfectly natural for Sinhalese to be given official status. What was perfectly *un-natural* was that it was denied to the Tamils. The island never belonged exclusively to Sinhala speakers.
Hmm. Let us see. What is the national language of India? Hindu and English. Why didn't you a nother Indian Language prominence (Don't ask me which one). But you made English the second official language. I am sure there are lot of pissed off people as well. So, what would be the outcome. The other languages would be killed off, bit by bit. The same way English is taking over most of the languages.
WRONG !
first of all, there is no language called hindu ! :lol:

secondly, hindi and english are 'official languages' for conducting work in the central government, NOT national languages. even in that case some MPs(members of parliament) can choose to address the parliament in their mother tongue in stead of english or hindi.

the state governments are free to choose their own official language at state level, most states have more than one official language, in addition to english as a secondary official language.

ALL major languages, including hindi and english have the same status outside of central government business. all languages of the 8th schedule can be considered de-facto national language of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_l ... nstitution
So, what would be the outcome. The other languages would be killed off, bit by bit.
hardly ! if anything many languages are flourishing much more than they have in the past.
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Rahul Said.
secondly, hindi and english are 'official languages' for conducting work in the central government, NOT national languages. even in that case some MPs(members of parliament) can choose to address the parliament in their mother tongue in stead of english or hindi.
I hear you, and I have seen this type of comment by Indian's previously.
Also I have heard that you can talk in any other language with a translator, you can select your own language in different languages e.t.c. e.t.c.

First you need to go an change this Wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India
The official language of the Republic of India is Hindi & English. The languages of India belong to several major linguistic families, the two largest being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 70% of Indians)—and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 22% of Indians). Other languages spoken in India come mainly from the Austro-Asiatic and Tibeto-Burman linguistic families, in addition to a few language isolates.[1]
If you are serious about it, let us see you guys recognizing a second and a third language as your official language. Then you will see all the Hindu Nationalism rising up. Also for a second, think that we did not have English as a common language, then what would be the common language of India? Has Indians really accommodated another language? Every one who doesn't speak Hindi has to either learn Hindi or English, both foreign languages to them. So, you basically has done the same thing as SL.

And also I have seen on the Wiki Page previously that the people who can speak Hindi increasing by a large percentage. What that naturally means is that the minority languages would loose. It is a bit difficult to fight against. You see the way English is taking over all the world. Later on peoples interest in their own languages would disappear, unless it serves a purpose. I am not accusing that India is purposely doing that, but that is the end result.
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http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... IsSU=&SEO=
Political discontent over Telangana swells


Delegation of Congress MPs from AP meet PM Manmohan Singh on issue of Telangana formation. PTI Photo

PTIFirst Published : 11 Dec 2009 10:28:12 PM ISTLast Updated : 11 Dec 2009 10:36:46 PM IST
NEW DELHI/HYDERABAD: Battling a swell of political discontent on the Telangana decision, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today stepped in to do damage control as resignations mounted and violence marred a bandh in coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions.
And here is what one of the comments there
India is plundering the Resources of Assame and the whole NE states including NEFA/Arunachal which is disputed territory with China. They are using Kashmir for Resources and Terrorising the people shamelessly. Hindia is using Tamilnadu for money and Intellectual Capital. People in many non-Hindian states are simply fed up of these Hindians and their Arrogance and nasty Corruption. Let the Assamese people decide if they want to be with India or not. Let the UN hold a Plebiscite. If these Hindians have any Guts or self-respect, they should respect the wishes of the Assamese, Kashmiris and Tamils. Even Marathis are fed up with these dirty Hindi fellows. Many groups in India want to go free. Let the people decide as to whether they want to be with Hindia or not and be free. The United Nations should step in immediately. India is going worse than Soviet Union
Now can you see that all of us are in the same boat. Forces of Separatism is very high, both in SL and India. I am not sure where this is going to lead, but I think our fortunes are very much connected to India. Hopefully India will get their act together and quell these movements. It is impossible to appease separatism by giving in to their demands.
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how is the wiki page saying anything different from what I said ? :D I see a massive lack of comprehension here.
if you had bothered to read you might have noticed that I've linked the very same wiki page in my post. :wink:

hindi and english are official languages (i.e languages for official use in the central govt) (selected for practical reasons given that these two have the largest no of common speakers) they are NOT national languages.
the concept of national language DOES NOT exist in India, what exists is called constitutional language. de facto, ALL 22 languages of the 8th schedule are national languages of India.
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Doesn't seem like every one seem to agree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi ... Tamil_Nadu
The first anti-Hindi agitation was launched in 1937, in opposition to the introduction of compulsory teaching of Hindi in the schools of Madras Presidency by the first Indian National Congress government led by C. Rajagopalachari (Rajaji). This move was immediately opposed by Periyar E. V. Ramasamy and the opposition Justice Party (later Dravidar Kazhagam). The agitation, which lasted three years, was multifaceted and involved fasts, conferences, marches, picketing and protests. The government responded with a crackdown resulting in the death of two protesters and the arrest of 1,198 persons including women and children. The mandatory Hindi education was later withdrawn by the British Governor of Madras Lord Erskine in February 1940 after the resignation of the Congress Government in 1939.
Adoption of an official language for the Indian Republic was a hotly debated issue during the framing of the Indian Constitution after India's independence from Britain. After an exhaustive and divisive debate, Hindi was adopted as the official language of India with English continuing as an associate official language for a period of fifteen years, after which Hindi would become the sole official language. The new Constitution came into effect on 26 January 1950. Efforts by the Indian Government to make Hindi the sole official language after 1965 were not acceptable to many non-Hindi Indian states, who wanted the continued use of English. The Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK), a descendant of Dravidar Kazhagam, led the opposition to Hindi. To allay the fears of the opposition, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru enacted the Official Languages Act in 1963 to ensure the continuing use of English beyond 1965 . The text of the Act did not satisfy the DMK and increased their skepticism that his assurances might not be honoured by future administrations. As the day (26 January 1965) of switching over to Hindi as sole official language approached, the anti-Hindi movement gained momentum in Tamil Nadu with increased support from students who were worried that it would give an unfair advantage to Hindi speakers in central government jobs and public service examinations. The Tamil Nadu Students' Anti-Hindi Agitation Council was formed as an umbrella organisation of student unions from all over the state to co-ordinate the anti-Hindi activities.
Also if it was not for this type of agitations, English most likely would not have been a common language. Also these agitations seem to have been the cause of India recognizing other languages as well. So, do you really think India did the right thing or they were forced to do the right thing? We were just 20 years behind you guys. What I see India doing is just putting plasters to a huge problem. More I read about India, more I think you are a ticking time bomb. :D. It would be an interesting 20-30 years ahead for India as well as SL.
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thusitha wrote: Also if it was not for this type of agitations, English most likely would not have been a common language. Also these agitations seem to have been the cause of India recognizing other languages as well. So, do you really think India did the right thing or they were forced to do the right thing? We were just 20 years behind you guys. What I see India doing is just putting plasters to a huge problem. More I read about India, more I think you are a ticking time bomb. :D. It would be an interesting 20-30 years ahead for India as well as SL.
Yeah, Just have only one language.....it will unify people...just like East and West Pakistan. :roll:
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thusitha wrote:Doesn't seem like every one seem to agree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi ... Tamil_Nadu
Also if it was not for this type of agitations, English most likely would not have been a common language. Also these agitations seem to have been the cause of India recognizing other languages as well. So, do you really think India did the right thing or they were forced to do the right thing? We were just 20 years behind you guys. What I see India doing is just putting plasters to a huge problem. More I read about India, more I think you are a ticking time bomb. :D. It would be an interesting 20-30 years ahead for India as well as SL.
Yes India is ticking a clock but not the time bomb kind but rather reverse countdown to liftoff rocket kind! and you sure got it right about interesting things ahead for India! We Indians are noisy and argumentative bunch which no doubt reflects on the forum too but I am sure the Board represents Indians from every part and members who would have one of 22 Official language as mother tounge, and large chunk would be able to converse just as eloquently in more then One of those language.
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yawn
thusitha

learn to distinguish between an agitation for a state within the country vs an agitation to break away.
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thusitha wrote:So, do you really think India did the right thing or they were forced to do the right thing?
forced by whom ? ask the question to yourself.
by Indians themselves ! :D

Indians 'forcing' India to do the right thing is the perfect example of true democracy at work. :wink:
Doesn't seem like every one seem to agree with you
on the contrary nothing on that page is at variance with what I'm saying.

just FYI, my mother tongue is not hindi, it is bangla(bengali) and as a matter of fact I agree with most aspects of the anti-hindi agitation. it is that movement which has brought the situation to where it is now, a situation I personally approve of.
the demands of the agitation too have been mostly met, which is why there is no language agitation now.

you are not the first time who has predicted the imminent demise of the Indian state over the last 60 years. all of them had to eat their words. :D
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Patni wrote: but I am sure the Board represents Indians from every part and members who would have one of 22 Official language as mother tounge, and large chunk would be able to converse just as eloquently in more then One of those language.
precisely. again, speaking for myself which is representative of most BRFites and the avg educated Indian, I am quite comfortable with bangla, english and hindi, in that order. in addition to that I can understand oriya and bhojpuri.
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Rahul M
you are not the first time who has predicted the imminent demise of the Indian state over the last 60 years. all of them had to eat their words
Are you kidding me. I am not predicting the demise of India. I don't have a sense of India since I have never travelled India. So, I wouldn't be predicting such a thing. But to tell you the truth, I am very surprised that India with so many different languages, people, surrounded by not so friendly states are actually still together.
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pandyan
There it goes...so, secrets will come out....will he be charged with revealing the state secrets? Is he making these statements to win tamil vote or alienate sri lankan votes?
either way SL is nicely positioning itself between the legs of a nut cracker.
I don't think SF would survive if he try to frame the army. He is trying to frame the government, but for some reason he seem to have forgotten by doing so he is framing the army as well. He wouldn't be safe in any country in the world if he tried to do that. His very own army would hunt him down. Also, if some one try to stick war crimes charges against the army, I am sure the army would take over the country and SL would become just like Burma. Right now no one want some thing like that to happen.

I am sure thing would go quiet when the elections are over.
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10 Dec 2009
Power and Accountability in Sri Lanka
The degrading aftermath of Sri Lanka’s civil war demands international action to ensure protection of its civilians from their overweening rulers, says Martin Shaw for openDemocracy.

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affa ... &id=110393


Seeking Human Rights in Sri Lanka is like looking for water on the moon
Thursday, December 10, 2009 Leave a Comment

“This situation that exists in all parts of the country exists to most unbearable extent in the north and the east. People living there are victims of absolute impunity.”

http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2009/12 ... ka-is.html

Gotabaya ordered killing of surrendered Tigers’

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... ri%20Lanka


Cuba–ALBA Let Down Sri Lanka Tamils
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=16741

New Tamil group People’s Liberation Army vows to start a fresh war
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 946605.ece


US House of Reps. restrict military aid to Sri Lanka
http://www.lankaeverything.com/index.ph ... Itemid=145
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thusitha wrote:. More I read about India, more I think you are a ticking time bomb. :D. It would be an interesting 20-30 years ahead for India as well as SL.

This is not the first time when people expressed 'doubts' about India and as Rahul said, everyone had to eat their words.

British Prime minister in 1940s
India is a geographical term. It is no more a united nation than the Equator.
British Prime Minister in 2008
India should be given a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council to reflect its status as an emerging global power,
US Secretary of State Henry Kissenger in 1971
The Indians are ******** anyway. They are the most aggressive goddamn people around
The same f.cking idiot in 2005
The US recognises that India is a global power..
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UN Rights Council Shielding Worst Abusers
Monday, 14 December 2009, 1:26 pm
Press Release: UN Watch

Rights Group: New Report Shows UN Rights Council Shielding Worst Abusers, “Foxes Guarding The Chickens”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0912/S00348.htm

UN Watch analyzed 30 of the key votes by the UN Human Rights Council in the past year, and found that 18 of them were counterproductive, including resolutions that praised Sri Lanka after it killed an estimated 20,000 civilians, and which praised Sudan for “progress” on human rights.




http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/ ... 230381.ece
SA accused of ignoring Sri Lankan genocide
Dec 12, 2009 11:09 PM | By Teneshia Naidoo
Human rights activists have accused the South African government of double standards for "flirting" with Sri Lankan government officials and ignoring the genocide in the country.


Pearl policy of China against India using Srilanka!!!!!!!!!!!! Working together with other terror countries against!??!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL10Df01.html

While the report notes that Rajapaksa has cultivated ties with Myanmar, Iran and Libya, it expresses greatest concern about China, Colombo's most important source of military supplies in recent years.

It notes that Beijing is developing a deepwater port in the south at the fishing village of Hambantota, suggesting that it may serve as part of a chain of future Chinese naval bases along Asia's southern periphery.

"Even for those that dismiss China's 'string of pearls' strategy as overblown," the report adds, "there is concern about growing Chinese influence on the Sri Lankan government."
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As an aside and to understand the evolution of Lankan politics,"Leftist vs Rightist",one must remember Mrs.Bandaranaike's well meaning but disastrously executed land reforms,where the well heeled landed gentry (who owned most of the land in the island and had huge estates) sipping scotch on the lawns in their clubs,used to watch the crows sitting on the wires and wager an acre or two on which bird would fly off first! I know of friends who left their estate bungalows in the morning and on returning in the afternoon watched the villagers carrying their furniture away,as the news announcement about land reforms was made over the radio.Mrs.B. sacrificed thousands of her own land in these reforms but it was so badly and vindictively executed (Kobbekaduwa was supposedly a major culprit) that it lost her the elections.It also ruined the plantations and estates which were then cut up into uneconomical little 50 acre holdings.But land reforms were popular amongst the masses and if one compares Sri Lanka with Pak,where feudalism remains rampant,the reason for many of its woes,it gave the peasant his pride and dignity in the patch of land that was his.It thus explains in major part the pendelum swing in every election from capitalism to socialism (and the safety valve of elections) bringing into power opposite ideologies,which happily existed until Jayawardene manipulated the parliamentary system awarding himself pharaonic powers that ultimately destroyed his legacy with the ethnic war.

In the coming election,in Lankan idiom,the "coming colour" is a choice between the "blue" of Rajapakse and the SLFP and the "khaki" of Herr General! In fact Ranil has been savaged by his own dissenting partymen for not using the "green" elephant,the symbol of the UNP.With the emergence of Herr General on the electoral scene,I predict the death of the traditional UNP style of politics,as shockingly to the moral minded observer,the JVP and UNP,opposite poles of the political spectrum have joined together like two "tight" drunks to stay upright.In fact with Herr General,the "N for National" in the UNP ,is the style and substance of the opposition,led by the war hero and propelled by the JVP.The crony capitalists trail in the rear.If the election is a close run thing,as many predict,Herr General's standing will soar even further and he will be the main figure of the opposition for the forseeable future.He will overshadow all other politicos in the opposition,especially Ranil who should take a sabbatical and wait like the patient vulture that his kinsman JR did,who finally achieved his life's ambition when in his dotage.

The allegations now flying around are that Herr General is Uncle Sam's stool pigeon and his remarks about having war crimes inquiries in the island seem to bear the allegations out, making the case for the Rajapakse brothers and their uniformed favourites to get the Saddam Hussein treatment once he grabs power,when he can then rewrite history and whitewash his questionable acts during the ethnic war !
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Engaging India Editorial in Daily News, Sri Lanka

Saying in conclusion -
As a result of the correct policies undertaken by the Government there is a wide gamut of fields including mutual and regional security that the two countries are cooperating. Let us hope that this cooperation would grow further making it a good neighbourly relation worthy of emulation by other countries.
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Thusitha,

What you say essentially is that there are differences in India. It is nobody's case that there are none. The key questions are how these are sought to be resolved, how much of alternate opinion is tolerated, how much of space the Centre provides for local narratives, when is force resorted to etc. If a State is rich, many of the challenges can be 'bought out' but the point about India is, it smoothens these differences without having had the luxury of a huge cake to divide up.

And for heaven's sake get us right! At least in this forum we are all SL's well wishers by a great majority.
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thusitha wrote:Doesn't seem like every one seem to agree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi ... Tamil_Nadu

Also if it was not for this type of agitations, English most likely would not have been a common language. Also these agitations seem to have been the cause of India recognizing other languages as well. So, do you really think India did the right thing or they were forced to do the right thing? We were just 20 years behind you guys. What I see India doing is just putting plasters to a huge problem. More I read about India, more I think you are a ticking time bomb. :D. It would be an interesting 20-30 years ahead for India as well as SL.
Thusitha,
why dont u visit Chennai and see the number of Hindi moves being run in theaters to see the situation on the ground.
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Philip wrote:More shocking allegations from Herr General...trying to whitewash his reputation?

What's so shocking about it. One would have to be naive to think that the SL Army didn't kill at least some LTTE top leaders (and maybe their families) in cold blood.

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If Thusitha doesn't have basic knowledge of India and yet makes inflammatory sweeping statements isn't he trolling? I don't see much difference between his attitudes, opinions and logic than the usual PRC drones.
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